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The Non-Observant Orthodox Jew

Op-Ed: Rabbi Gershon Schusterman, a businessman and Mashpia in Los Angeles, writes about "Chabad Lite" and what he terms as the "non-observant Orthodox Jew." Full Story

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FANTASTIC ARTICLE
February 22, 2012 12:19 am

An amazing, well written article. If you keep stretching standards to fit in with modern society, then like an elastic band, it eventually breaks, and you are left without any standards at all.

chabad light
February 13, 2012 11:34 pm

Why are we so quick to say that if you trim your beard you are out oft he family and not considered Chabad , but when someone acts against the law but has a long beard then he is still a true chosid?

Apparently...
February 13, 2012 8:32 pm

I’m not worthy of being a member of the “Chabad Family.” Now that we’ve got that cleared up… Bring on the Ben & Jerry’s! I’ve always wanted to use the eruv! And never wanted to wear a shaitel!

Whew, it’s such a relief to not have to live up to your standards. Thanks for freeing me.

Menachem Mendel
February 13, 2012 6:48 pm

Reb Gershon proffers a ruling on the subject of a genuine Lubavitcher. Add this one to the litany of standards among them whether one believes the Rebbe never passed away. I do not subscribe to any of them as they do not emanate from an appropriate Bes Din. But I take this opportunity to suggest the following: an authentic Lubavitcher is one who espouses the entry in Hayom Yom for Ches Menachem Av. Now Reb Gershon, how many Lubavitchers remain standing?

To COL & Rabbi Schusterman
February 12, 2012 11:17 pm

Please keep these kind of articles coming.
For people on every level of commitment, this was very thought provoking.

RD Wallen
February 12, 2012 5:29 pm

Thanks Rabbi Gershon. Gut gezogt! Keep us thinking, please.

To #12
February 12, 2012 2:33 pm

You obviously didn’t understand the point of the article

To 103
February 12, 2012 10:30 am

Raise the bar.others will follow
Don’t wait to fend off others

To #110
February 12, 2012 1:27 am

#110
I love how Chabad Lite people think that they are the only “professionals” and hold all the wealth. Check your math.

wayward son
February 12, 2012 12:36 am

David Chase is a very wealthy philanthropist, who enjoyed a very close relationship with the Rebbe, and whom the Rebbe designated as his 5 star general (and no, he’s not one of my donors. Yet). When he was first becoming associated with Lubavitch and with the Rebbe, he was in a dilemma. On the one hand, he was very deeply impressed and moved by the Rebbe. On the other hand, he didn’t feel that he would be able to live up to the demands of being a Lubavitcher, and therefore perhaps it was better for him not to get involved… Read more »

YASHER KOACH TO COLLIVE
February 11, 2012 9:48 pm

for publishing this. good work.

Separate Schools
February 11, 2012 8:47 pm

People are cheering for separate schools, one for the “real’ Lubavitchers and one for the Lubav “Lite”. How would the mainstream school survive financially once the wage earning business parents are in their own “lite” school? The chairmen of dinners and major school donors are ALWAYS the lite Lubavitchers with trimmed or no beards!

Hashem save us from the...
February 11, 2012 6:54 pm

The same way I don’t subscribe to the ways of “Chabad lite”, I dislike the stringent and intolerant ways of the kollel guys. Both are extreme in the wrong direction

To #14
February 11, 2012 1:38 pm

I am a bal teshuvah of 15 years, thanks to Chabad. The Rebbe is my rebbe, but I do not feel I have the knowledge to call myself a Lubavitcher Chassid. I try to live up to the values as set forth by the Rebbe – tzinius, education, ahavas Yisroel. The question I ask myself is, “What would the Rebbe say?” To #14 – do you feel you are bringing the Rebbe nachas?

to #31
February 10, 2012 5:14 pm

what a disgusting remark at the end of your comment! yet you then call yourself chabad! unbelievable!!!! forget chabad, wat about ahavas yisrael too!

I am # 14
February 10, 2012 4:46 pm

all i can say is its a free world with many opinions…and yes even a opinion that says i want to be achosid but not hard core…not all the way…this is how its going to be…and it wont change so its better to change your attitudes rather then feel all that anger….or maybe jealousy…maybe a part of you wants to be like them but you cant….you fall to pressure…whatever itthe case lets accept the new reality and make it work in peace

and may god have mercy on his lost children

To 31
February 10, 2012 4:30 pm

Youre right. A Rabbi should not be a teacher. He should be a “brother.” A rebbitzen who behaves Tzniusdikly is “stuffy.” Our wives need a “sister.” And there’s no Jew like a “young professional.” You are so “fortunate” that you are “halachicly evolved.” I am most humbled.

I would hate to be the Rabbi of that group
February 10, 2012 4:05 pm

I would hate to be the Rabbi of that group. What a legacy.

to 102
February 10, 2012 3:38 pm

if someone drops out and reemerges later that is one thing.this article adresses those who stay but lower their standards and do so as a group.we always had a few here and there who stood out for unchasidishe behavior.now, it’s so prevalent it’s mamish a spritual magifah that must be staunchly guarded against.

In the Groove
February 10, 2012 3:27 pm

I agree with Rabbi Shusterman but I think this needs to be said:

Just as a Jew who walked away from everything Jewiswh and reemerges twenty years later is still a Jew all the way throiugh, so to the Chabadnik who grows up in CH, leaves, rebels, drops and disappears, will reemerge as a Chabadnik! The Rebbe is so compelling that once a Chassid, its really difficult to leave ever!
Moshaich Now!

Myrtle Beach, SC Friend of Chabad
February 10, 2012 2:56 pm

Rabbi Schusterman has written a clear article that is generating much discussion. As a Friend of Chabad, I keep Kosher & Shabbos but I am not Lubavitch. All of my children & grandchildren are Lubavitch and I greatly admire & respect the Chabad educational system as well as the traditions & simcha of Chabad. Chabad & Chabad followers as well as many people of faith are responsible for keeping me from profound depression when my daughter Abbie went into a coma 5 1/2 years ago after giving birth to triplets. Our family received wonderful support from the Los Angeles Chabad… Read more »

What's missing
February 10, 2012 12:56 pm

Most people are not Tzadikim. I trim my beard, use the Eruv, do my best for where I am now. My Rabbi would certainly not make a new member uncomfortable for carrying or even driving to Shul on Shabbos, but he would rightfully expect more from those of us who know better. Once you start diluting the institution, you’re heading down a slippery slope. Chabad has always been successful BECAUSE they remain the same. Jews know that wherever they are in the world, they can find a Chabad House with a Shaliach who will take them in for whoever they… Read more »

Crown Heights Administrators
February 10, 2012 9:08 am

Succinctly stated about 20 yrs ago when asked why they allow them (“chabad lite”} into our CH Schools, they explained that they are
looked upon as “friends of Lubavitch”

to 87
February 10, 2012 7:32 am

You are right on. Of course we should each strive for the highest level. However it is much easier to point fingers at others and judge and label with “black and white’ standards than do the difficult inner work of raising ourself and our children to have true ahavas yisrael and chassidishe middos. If we raise our families not to point fingers and judge, but that everyone has a yetzar hara and tov, and do the work of being true role models to them, they can navigate the waters of the real world where ppl aren’t tzaddikim adn we belong… Read more »

Rabbi Shusterman lives up to his name!
February 10, 2012 4:13 am

A mender of soles, a mentor to souls. A man who brings forth
issues with clarity, integrity,kindness and candor. Whatever your opinion, stop for a moment and offer thanks to The One Above for providing us with teachers of caliber as opposed to self-aggrandzing cynical political hoots who crave power over others.

Guilt vs Shame
February 10, 2012 4:02 am

“Guilt, like pain, unpleasant as it may be, is good for us. It is the sense which allows us to maintain the balance between the idealism of our better self and the compromise of expediency. ”

guilt is diff then shame

shame:
if we are embarrassed about something we are not able to speak about it with other people

guilt
we have no problem speaking about things we “feel guilty” about

to #14
February 10, 2012 1:11 am

1) what you wrote is nothing new. this was already said by maskilim, reform, etc.
2) for 70 years the frierdiker rebbe and the rebbe were fighting your opinion! (think i’m wrong? – READ THE SICHOS AND IGROS!!)
3) “good melamdim in chabad-lite” = oxymoron!!
4) for the sake of your kids: get in touch with your neshomo & do tshuvo!
moshiach NOW! (that’s what the rebbe said!)

fan from L. A.
February 10, 2012 1:04 am

Great article!

ABOUT ERUV
February 10, 2012 12:12 am

In Crown Heights, with Eastern Parkway being a reshus horabim d’oraissa, an Eruv is just not possible halachically. People have to come to terms with that or move to a different community. This has nothing to do with men not using eruv and women yes using eruv like in some other places, where according to the Alter Rebbe’s S”A the eruvim are not sufficient, but is ok according to other shitos. Here in CH an eruv is unacceptable bichlal, according to other shitos as well, and therefore not possible even for those (women and men) who would rely on a… Read more »

82 is on the ball
February 9, 2012 10:57 pm

You are on to something big and important. Please write a full length op ed. Keep writing. You are a voice of reason.

well writen
February 9, 2012 10:06 pm

The only thing is that the same father wrote to have Ahavas Yisroel and respect one another. The ones who have beards and wear sheitlach and are doing the things you mention are lacking in Ahavas Yisroel. (Look at the politics in all levels of Anash, Rabbonim, Shluchim Shchuna… Becuase one chooses not to wear a sheitel or one chooses to use the Eiruv we question him/er being Lubavitch? Why not ask the same question for those who lack in Ahavas Yisroel? I think this may be the reason the so called “Lite” do what they do. It is because… Read more »

To #87
February 9, 2012 9:41 pm

No Lubavitch is not ONLY about beards and Shaitel’s, Chabad-Lubavitch puts effort into every Yid at his level step by step to grow in his Yiddishkeit. The problem being addressed here is when Yidden are C’V going the other direction. So when a Yid can’t overcome his Yetzer Hora, Nu, that happens to all of us. But to go make a Shitah out of it and JUSTIFY it officially and make a group out of it in the name of Lubavitch??????? The bottom line is that this problem didn’t really exist in such a prevelent way when the Rebbe was… Read more »

To #86
February 9, 2012 8:07 pm

Perhaps you are right and I apologize if my words were not taken the way they were intended. My point was to refute this nonsense that “chasidim never existed without beards or lack of shaitel”. If this was true, the Rebbe would not have had to fight the first 15 years + as you mention. In addition to the fight you mention, the Rebbe faught many other areas for us to grow in and we have unfortunately not been 100% successful joining the Rebbe in those fights. IMHO making this the single milchemes Havya is misguided and shortsighted. I do… Read more »

to #31
February 9, 2012 7:52 pm

you know,when you insinuate that those of us who follow halacha because…it’s halcha are sheep,that’s insulting.aren’t you really putting the rest of us down in order to feel better about yourself,your shul and problems with kabolos ol?

To #85
February 9, 2012 7:45 pm

I was talking about the Freideker Rebbe’s Chasidim and the Rebbe’s Chasidim. There is no need to name names. Think of all the (CH “eigner”) Chasidim that have started wearing beards, gartlech and kapatos in the 50’s 60’s, 70’s and 80’s. You say: “we are talking here about Chassidim that come from families with beards and want to C”V remove it”. All fine and well, this falls under the category of yordim. How about the Chasidim that came from ehrilich families and C’V want to remove that by their unethical business practices? And the Chosid who’s father was an aleph… Read more »

to #82
February 9, 2012 7:42 pm

“Early on, the Rebbe made beard/sheitel a bar to reach if you wanted him to be misader kidushin. You think the Rebbe was sending that message to the pope in the vatican?! He was sending it to his own Chasidim that if you want him to spend his time and grace your wedding you need to be at a certain level” excuse me? the rebbe fought for the first 15 years plus as rebbe that every single lubavitcher should have a beard/shaitel (when was the last time you opened a hisvadiyus from those years? and you have the audacity to… Read more »

#82
February 9, 2012 6:47 pm

What are you talking about which Chassidim didn’t have beards. The Alter Rebbe’s Chassidim the Frierdike Rebbe’s Chassidim? or the American’s that didn’t grow one yet? But we are talking here about Chassidim that come from families with beards and want to C”V remove it, that is a different story. yes and shaitel’s is what the Rebbe asked of us as a BAKASH NAFSHIS.
ZAI GEZUNT

To #31
February 9, 2012 6:38 pm

I was the one that wrote coment #77 I apologize no one can say if you are or aren’t Chabad, just from the tone of your coment it really seems you resent Chabad lifstyle and that you prefer being modern orthodox (with chabad label)

to #63
February 9, 2012 6:00 pm

A main problem with “eruv” is that people dont know when its down.
i live in la right near lavi yitzchok so i see when the “red”(eruv down)flag is up and i still see people carrying /pushing strolers!!!

To #68
February 9, 2012 5:56 pm

Your revisionism makes me want to shave off my beard. There were plenty of previous Chasidim that didn’t keep beards with wives that didn’t cover their head. There are three things that changed: 1) People like you who try to black and white everything and are ready to lie, cheat and steal to get there have undermined much of what Lubavitch stands for. 2) Chasidim living in NYC (or elsewhere), Chasidim with available access to the internet and chasidim that are on shlichus which brings secular society to your doorstep, are having a hard time maintaining an ideal standard the… Read more »

we are one family
February 9, 2012 5:55 pm

The Frierdike Rebbe told R’ Yisroel Jacobson that there are 3 types of chassidim. 1. Chassidei Hagezah – their parents are gezha – this refers to the many children of chassdim who came to the USA in the early 1900’s and were not frum at all. 2. Chassidei Hanushach – they daven nusuach ari and not much else 3. Chassidei Chabad – they learn chassidus and try to live the way a chossid is supposed to live. It seems that most of the self-declared “chabad lite” fall into #2. It’s not a good place to be, esp if you care… Read more »

to #66
February 9, 2012 5:28 pm

Lubavitch is a family! “Chassidim Ein Mishpocho”.

another shlucha in Miami
February 9, 2012 5:16 pm

Rabbi Shusterman, no one could have said it better! you are an inspiration to me as a shlucha, and to thousands of others around the world!! We can be proud to live in Miami and have people who live up to the Rebbe’s standards!! For those shluchim/shluchos that do what they want and compromise tzniyus etc.. etc..,dont think you are cool and more in!! People find it offensive and they dont respect you!! Just do the right thing, cuz the non frum world looks up to you more and is in awe of you more, when are not like them!… Read more »

to # 12
February 9, 2012 5:16 pm

your arguments are exactly what the reform and conservative movements put forward, to claim that they are as authentic as the orthodox

To #31
February 9, 2012 5:14 pm

You can stay where ever you want you are simply MODERN ORTHODOX. You can consider yourself what you want you are NOT CHABAD.

to Op ed #31
February 9, 2012 5:12 pm

#1 I don’t think Rabbi Zajac would agree with your attitude/ choice of words towards Rabbi Schusterman.
#2 Chabad Sola has many members who are very Chaddidish even according to those who label people with the term “Chabad Lite”, as well as members from all other segments of the Jewish community.
Truth be told, one of the many benefits of belonging to my great community is the “Guilt” as Rabbi Schusterman puts it, that I experience and the inspiration I receive to grow in my Yiddishkeit and Chassidishkeit.

From a proud member of Chabad Sola.

@14
February 9, 2012 4:52 pm

Rabbi Zajac may be a really nice person, but he hardly qualifies as a chabad rav. someone who can publicly sau he feels the rebbe was wrong on certain issues as he disagrees cannot be considered a chassid let alone a chabad rav

Most Chabad Lite in LA that send their kids to the chabad schools simply cannot afford to send their kids to yavneh. They then expect cheder menachem and bais chaya mushka to lower their standards to make you feel comfortable.

#66
February 9, 2012 4:51 pm

Chabad Lubavitch is worldwide COMMUNITY. It is not ONLY a phlosophy it’s a philosophy that comes with very specific practices and customes.

To #14
February 9, 2012 4:43 pm

OK I hear what you are saying and I hate to judge people, so just for argument sake. #1 What you are saying is these people love the Rebbe, and love Lubavitch in other words they like the “perks” and advantages of being a Lubavitcher i.e. being associated with such a great Rebbe etc etc. but are not willing to take the responsibilities that comes with being a Lubavitcher Chossid i.e. the basic responsibilities the Rebbe ask for i.e. beard shaitel etc etc. This is what I hear you saying, well its so fare like I said I hate to… Read more »

#14
February 9, 2012 3:53 pm

There are already plenty of modern orthodox communities, just move to Flatbush, New Jersey, Cederhurst. There is nothing Lubavitch about what your saying except that you grew up in a Lubavitch community but you resent that lifesyle so instead of moving you want to stay and change the Lubavitch community but that might be a selfish thing cause the only reason you choose to stay as opposed to move is for your own comfort and convinence.
Either we still love your always welcome grow your bushy beard and come home to the family.

To #63 The Rebbe on Eruv
February 9, 2012 3:46 pm

When Melbourne was making an Eruv, and the Chabad Rabbonim there asked the Rebbe if they should be involved, the Rebbe answered that a public eruv in a city like Melbourne would be a ‘takala ayuma’ ( a terrible obstacle).

To #12 #14 You are Welcome to Come Back into the Family
February 9, 2012 3:39 pm

You left the family it doesn’t matter if you scream and shout that your spiritual beard is untouched, then you belong to the family invisibly/spiritually. But this is a physical world, in this physical world you left the family even if we lovingly include you, by trimming/shaving etc etc you are the one leaving, if you want to fool yourself and say you still belong to make yourself feel comfortable that’s fine but what’s the point of fooling yourself.
WE STILL LOVE YOU, YOU ARE ALWAYS WELCOME BACK INTO THE FAMILY. Just grow your beard and put on a Shaitel.

this is # 14
February 9, 2012 3:25 pm

when i say without a rebbe i dont mean to imply that we dont follow his ways…but good morning…the rebbe is not arround any more…most people dont do the igres thing…we are struggling with out a rebbe…wake up now to those who say to the chabad lite to join modern orthadoxy is not fair…they are still part of lubavitch and love the rebbe sometimes more then you do…the point is some basic rules have to be implemented . example. if a father trimmes his beard or the mother dreeses more modern they can join the chabad light school…or shul…its already… Read more »

To #58
February 9, 2012 3:20 pm

The yeden chasidim stayndig next to the rebbe wor frum erlich etc in all minhogim vculu never sayd it’s not important to have a berd (הדרת פנים) for some risen didnt. Wen we say it’s ok and not importend THAT’S the problem u can’t make כשר חזיר פיסל .

from the old American shtetl.
February 9, 2012 3:14 pm

Once asked my aunt (whose kids went to day school) how she stopped keeping kosher. Well, one day my husband brought in some of the tref dishes from the garage and they got mixed in and dadumdadum. These stories repeat themselves endlessly.

question
February 9, 2012 3:09 pm

all this talk about standards would be befitting for a community- which by definition is many members who have something/s in common and behave in a certain way.
Chabad Lubavitch is NOT a community, it is a philosophy and a set of worldviews that shape a person’s attitudes and beliefs. therefore, all this talk of standards and “action focused” ideas are probably an inappropriate measuring “tool”to decide who is a part of the lubavitch family??!!

A view from the older generation
February 9, 2012 2:04 pm

I have been a shliach for many years and have seen what Rabbi Shusterman calls ‘Chabad Lite” in many communities. I noticed one unifying theme. No matter how lax they may be in their observance, beards, dress and even the schools they send their children to – when it comes to a Yom Tov, a Nusach, or a lifecycle event, they are medakdek in every Chabad custom. It always warms my heart. You can take them away from 770, but you can’t take the 770 out of them. It is up to us to draw them closer and bring them… Read more »

THE
February 9, 2012 1:59 pm

THE SAD THING IS, IF EVEN ONE JEW LET ALONE “CHOSSID” DID WHAT THE REBBE SAID MOSHIACH WOULD ALREADY BE HERE.

eruv issue
February 9, 2012 1:59 pm

how do you know whether the rebbe would approve an eruv if he was asked today? i heard from the rebbe personally that an eruv is not a good idea because ‘people move a lot today and when they are used to carrying in one community, they do so automatically in another without checking and there are many cases of chilul shabbos.’ perhaps there were other issues, but this is what i heard myself. that was true 40 years ago. however, today almost every frum community has an eruv. it is a blessing for young mothers who no longer have… Read more »

A genius!
February 9, 2012 1:17 pm

Thank you Rabbi Shusterman! Amazingly written!

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 9, 2012 1:03 pm

Thank you so much Rabbi Schusterman what so many of us know in our heart but are unable to put into words you mannaged so perfectly.
THANK YOU!!!!

Very well written
February 9, 2012 12:08 pm

Thank you Rabbi Schusterman.

Please write publicly more often.

A BREATH OF FRESH AIR
February 9, 2012 12:01 pm

כמים קרים על נפש עיפה
We waited some 20 years for this article

To # 53
February 9, 2012 11:59 am

Although times and situations have changed I would like to bring up a fact.

During the Chofs and Lameds there were a number of Chabad chassidim who were on the Bima with the Rebbe during Tekios. These Yidin were big Minadvim, Frum Yiddin who were lacking the Hadras Ponim Zokein.

Don’t blame the Moisdois for doing what they must in order to survive.

FINALLY!
February 9, 2012 11:50 am

THANK YOU! PERFECTLY DONE!

To #14
February 9, 2012 11:46 am

Bacteria also evolve, and when they do, they become resistant to antibiotics

12 &14 need serious help
February 9, 2012 11:46 am

you have saddened me with your approach, and need to learn more Torah.

to # 14
February 9, 2012 11:25 am

your biggest problem is that you write ” a modern world without a rebbe”
??????????????????????????????????
How can you say that? Does not matter if you are a meshichist or not. I cannot imagine a lubavitcher would write such a thing. Maybe you need to reevaluate YOUR level of hiskashrus

Touche'!!!!
February 9, 2012 11:21 am

Thank You for a great article expressing what I would love to. Now, how about coming to the Rebbes shchuna, Rabbi S, and confront, in your uniminitable way ‘Chabad Lite’ who shove their prostkite in our faces? How about having a talk with the hanhalla of our assorted Crown Heights institutions who honor ‘Chabad Lite’ and show our impressionable children that alumni of our non secular teaching institutions, as long as they have money, will be honored and respected by non-secular teaching institutions…It won’t matter if you trim/shave/have a wife who leaves her skirt and stockings at home when she… Read more »

is this the issue
February 9, 2012 11:13 am

Is it possible that the issue is more about identifying with a group than what that group “holds by”. Perhaps it is hard for men and women who grew up in a chabad yeshiva and/or a community to get up and instead of saying they are lubavitchers but rather say i am an unaffiliated orthodox jew or in some cases modern orthodox jew? It is very hard after 20+ years and countless amount of hours of being indoctrinated ( might be a harsh word) in chabad education. To just drop it and say just a plain old jew here. This… Read more »

Great, well written article!
February 9, 2012 10:24 am

Thank you Rabbi Shusterman for both giving us guidance and putting things in a clear perspective. We all need to work on ourselves and it is so important that we realize that as lubavitchers we do represent the Rebbe. Halevai that we live up to that but chas veshalom not to try to at least appear bechitzonius like we care about it! For people who are not at a level that they can appear bechitzonius as a representative of the Rebbe they can still give the Rebbe’s messages to people. No one has the “rights” to inspiring other yidden. It… Read more »

Mesora
February 9, 2012 10:15 am

please address in a separate essay the topic of guilt and hanging around with the people who allow you not to feel guilty. You have touched a raw nerve and this needs to be examined in light of the many new shuls being established. Where will the Mesora be for the next generation ?

spirtually bearded
February 9, 2012 10:04 am

Rabbi Shusterman, Thank you for your upliftung article. I do trim my beard and not sure if it’s ever in my cards to stop. Your article still left me inspired and with a sense of chasidim ein mishpachah that has r’l been eroded over the years. There is one point you are missing: your focus is on levush or what you call “chatzonous”. Lubavitch still suffers from Chutzpah (couched in ‘lichatchila ariber’ or ‘geze’) and a weakness in dinei dimalchusey dinah (we should all be ashamed if we allow ourselves to become wardens of the state by takeng welfare etc.… Read more »

can't believe #14
February 9, 2012 9:51 am

why do u justify what is wrong? torah is eternal! halacha is halacha

to # 14
February 9, 2012 9:49 am

I agree with you. However there is no need to set up schools as there are many that exist already. There are many modern orthodox schools out there (I’m not sure they will accept you because they have standards and you don’t) and the Solomon Schechter schools. Or you can try the Montessori school system which some families in CH are using. On another note you can create your own way of life but you can’t change Lubavitch that was created by the Alter Rebbe almost 250 years ago. So people who have adopted new ways of life calling themselves… Read more »

The mechanechs ruling stands
February 9, 2012 9:26 am

To #14 you said it beautifully and #22 just explained his point without realizing it… Duh!

this is the best op ed i have read here ever
February 9, 2012 9:20 am

written very well….. Rabbi Hollander speech sums it all up!!!!!

BS’’D
February 9, 2012 9:18 am

to #26, I totally agree!
It’s important that we all represent our differences with respect to other practices, and so then never hold a DIFFERENT standard to be lower, just DIFFERENT!!!!! Stop Judging, and be who you are!!!

One Jay
February 9, 2012 9:12 am

The points brought up in this analysis are worthy of hours of farbrenging. How about this Shabbos?

Well Said...With One Notable Exception.
February 9, 2012 9:12 am

“…But the Rebbe’s values and message were classic ― and eternal.”
If they are truly “eternal”…what is with the “were?”
Strength and Blessings for Teshuvah B’Simcha for All Yiddin’!
Dovid Benveniste,Tsfat

Preaching to the choir
February 9, 2012 9:03 am

The problem with this article is the people who agree are the ones who will read it. The people it applies to won’t read it or apply it to themselves….

say it
February 9, 2012 8:34 am

finally someone who says it as it is. there is nothing like clarity and confidence. im copying this to all my kids.

thanks
February 9, 2012 8:22 am

I am so happy to see Rabbi Shusterman put into words the strong feelings I have that I could not articulate.

Make up your mind
February 9, 2012 7:28 am

Why do “chabad lites” want so badly to be called Lubavitchers, Chabad etc. Just admit that you are not interested in the Chabad lifestyle.

It seems like a part of you still feels connected. Hope that part pulls you back up where you belong.

Chassidim Ayn Mishpacha
February 9, 2012 7:25 am

Many have taken paths of their choosing due to personal family issues, but the opportunity to be a part of the larger family, Chassidim Ayn Mishpacha, is open and theirs to embrace.

Granted there are Ahavas Yisroel problems in the Lubavitch Family at large, but I challenge those who seek family connection to join together and “Set the example” of the best family dynamics possible.

You take the lead but remember that leaders must be stellar examples of the standard of Chabad and Our Rebbe.

You stand at the forefront to bring Moshiach, without compromise.

BT Mommy
February 9, 2012 7:22 am

Why do so many people say there are no standards? Or they don’t know what they are. Don’t play stupid. You know exactly what Rabbi Shusterman is talking about. Don’t make excuses because you want to trim your beard or wear short skirts or tichels or watch tv or go to bars and listen to goyish music. If you decide that all of that is okay with you, then so be it. But you know what the standard is. It’s your choice to fall below it or to try to maintain it. I’m a BT for about 10 years and… Read more »

to number 22
February 9, 2012 6:58 am

i couldn´t agree more!

if u sell fish...u smell like fish. BUT WE ARE BROTHERS
February 9, 2012 5:39 am

you do not have to accept me…you do not have to love me….you do not have to talk to me…im not here to take away your “precious”. i just live. exist. go to the same shul or may be store. your store even. buy from you. i do not care how you call me…i do not care what your kids will ask you about my kids…or my wife…(and why you looking at my wife anyway?dont got your own?) i do not care about your issues. i do not come to you and ask you for a thing. nothing. i got… Read more »

A great & well written article
February 9, 2012 4:55 am

I however must disagree on the issue of the ” Rabbonim accepting & allowing the shaving of one’s beard & Tichels , Sheitils.Rabbonim who okay the total shaving of one’s beard or the lax use of A sheitil or tichel should be questioned& one has to wonder about them especially concerning the issue of a woman covering her hair that at the very least should be taken very seriously

a monumental essay!
February 9, 2012 2:31 am

….אילן אילן-במה אברכך?Thank you for such poignant , thorough and positively respectful answers for my “baal tshuvah” students who ask difficult questions about how to “understand” today’s “Lubavitchers” ///

Op ed
February 9, 2012 2:28 am

I live in LA. I consider myself chabad. I am fortunate to be a member of SOLA. Rabbi Avraham Zajac isn’t just our rabbi, he understands us and is our brother. His wife isn’t a stuffy rebbetzin, she is a friend and sister to our wives. Our shul is made up of young professionals. Knowledge is key. We have a Kollel Erev where we learn Halacha. Unlike some sheep, when you learn the Halacha, you become informed and know what is necessary and what isn’t. You may call it picking and choosing. We call it the evolution of Halacha. Tell… Read more »

12 & 14
February 9, 2012 1:42 am

If you are so confident in your belief, stand up and sign your name.

to #12
February 9, 2012 1:38 am

basically what that would be compared to is saying” i’m frum but i don’t do mitzvos”, “i’m a lubavitcher chosid but i don’t do what the rebbe said”!!!!

Yasher Koach
February 9, 2012 1:21 am

Thank you Rabbi Shusterman for saying it like it is, in a clear and profound manner.
If only people could actually read the article with open minds without immediately getting defensive.
Thank you and keep it coming!!

To #12 & 14
February 9, 2012 1:14 am

I love You! You are both right … your Hiskashrus to the Rebbe is between you and the Rebbe. But your actions that are out of bounds from the Rebbe’s personal guidlines is plain wrong! Go sit down tonight, in front of the Rebbe’s picture and start talking Hartzig. “Rebbe, please allow me to trim my beard. I beg you … please! Please allow me to wear a skirt 1 inch above my knees… I beg you….. Oh Tatty Rebbe…. Please allow me to not wear nylons and a wig when I go out. Rebbe, I have a Nefesh Habamis… Read more »

From a Misnaged (or a SNAG)
February 9, 2012 12:27 am

Rebbi Gershon,
Thank you for a well written article. It so nice to see an elder in a family be so tolerant and respectful of his family. If all of Klal Yisroel could express their differences with the same respect, we would certainly witness the coming of Moshiach.

May you be bentshed for setting such a positive example when dealing with such a hard topic!

Comment 12
February 9, 2012 12:25 am

Amazing how you want people to accept standards and lifestyles not befitting of a chosid because of ahavs yisroel. How about you & your ilk have ahavas yisroel and show respect for those of us that live the lifestyle the Rebbe wanted us to. Send your kids to Yavneh or Hillel, daven at SOLA or Bnai David, just keep to yourselves and stop asking me to accept your decrepit and decadent lifestyle.

excuse me?!?!
February 9, 2012 12:23 am

to #7 I happen to live in Miami and there are plenty of frum CHASSIDISH lubavitchers- dont touch their beards, wives wear full sheitels tznius clothes and proper socks regardless of the weather, and YES there are even lubavitchers that (gasp!) dont watch TV! I dont know what you are looking at but maybe you need to get out a little more. Yes, florida has its challenges but BH chassidish lubavitchers do exist here, have been born here and have been raised here. The Rebbe called Miami “Yerushalayim of Chutz La’aretz.” Don’t use a city as an excuse… -Devorah Shor… Read more »

EXCELLENT!!!
February 9, 2012 12:20 am

wow!!! so well expressed!!
to # 14- your right! you should please open separate schools, separate shuls, please out of crown heights, and without chabad label!
and your “open-mindedness” is in fact the “close-minded ways of the ‘evolving” influence of the goyim” – where money, and pleasure is priority!.

to #14
February 9, 2012 12:19 am

Brouch hashem you were not my educator or mentor. 1) You say “we are in a modern world without a rebbe”???? are you telling me that we dont have a rebbe?? 2) Lubavitch is evolving??? define please. 3) you believe chabad lite should open their own schools. hmm.. that is a quite interesting idea and quite PRACTICAL. Do u think that creating 2 separate “tracks” in lubavitch will make anyone feel any better? If u say we should exclude them from our schools (whoever “our” is) than we are not one group! Are we one or are we not one?… Read more »

To # 12 and #14
February 8, 2012 11:55 pm

why not be the man (or woman) and sign your name just like
RGS did!!

best line
February 8, 2012 11:48 pm

best line of the week

“I keep my spiritual beard untouched”

Author Of "Original" Chabad Lite Article
February 8, 2012 11:47 pm

Thank you Rabbi Shusterman! Very well said!

Wow!
February 8, 2012 11:38 pm

Well said. Of course this is all true. Although many will have a hard time accepting the reality of their situation. But hopefully it will touch their Neshama.

GREAT ARTICLE
February 8, 2012 11:37 pm

a jew is a jew. ahavas yisroel means loving every jew no matter what. the problem is when my son goes to shul sees a lubavitcher and asks me why hes allowed to trim his beard but im not. or why does that girl not have to wear tights when my daughter does. arent they both lubavitch? what do i answer them? there are two levels of lubavitch? you can do whatever you want? what should i say?

ר׳ גרשון יישר כח
February 8, 2012 11:18 pm

B”H that ther ar chasiteshe yeden alive very well sayd

I second #4
February 8, 2012 11:17 pm

What a well written article with much clarity and passion! Let’s hope all take heed! Moshiach Now!

lets open our minds for a minute
February 8, 2012 11:17 pm

lets not forget we are in a modern world without a rebbe…..no real leadership…and tons of machaloikes…together with all the influences of the internet and the youth asking a lot of hard questions that seemingly cannot and will not be answered unless there is another revaluation for the one above……… our youth are very special…they are pure…they search for emes…but they are having a hard time …they look at the older chassidim as people from the shtetle…they dont relate.. as hard as it is we will be seeing lubavitch change drastically in many ways in the coming years ….like no… Read more »

great writing shver
February 8, 2012 11:09 pm

I hope I continue to earn the right to be identified as
one of the family ;)…you make us proud

Careful
February 8, 2012 11:08 pm

I love the way this article is written – very carefully worded; positions are well thought out. I however disagree with the punchlines. No one can select the barometers of “Lubavitcher”. Since the Rebbe wasa father to all – those with and without beards; with and without sheitels, etc. no child of his can decide who is more a child than the other. Only the father can – and he did not. And even if you were to show me an instance where he did “disown” that was his to do, on a case-by-case basis. Every child can decide for… Read more »

rabbi schusterman is amazing
February 8, 2012 11:04 pm

thank you so much for your unbelievable insight it was truly an inspiration. The articles concept’s ultimate depth can only be assimilated “via very lengthy explanation (which stands in opposition to the aspect of synopsis, for it is understood that as each concept is developed with lengthy explanations and illustrations, one’s ability to swiftly encapsulate the idea diminishes).” the ideas mentioned in the rabbi gershons article are very similar to those mentioned in Rabbi dovvi gopins book of community profiling. Both authors are a pleasure to read. Go rabbi schusterman keep up the good work!!

amazing
February 8, 2012 11:00 pm

Yasher Koach Rabbi Shusterman!! Well said. Thank You!!!!!

Name
February 8, 2012 11:00 pm

Thank you for writing your name

Kol Hakavod
February 8, 2012 11:00 pm

Kol Hakavod. What a clear, insightful and truthful article. Rabbi Schusterman has finally been able to put into words what so many of us feel but have not been able to articulate. Thanks again

miami?
February 8, 2012 10:57 pm

This is the problem with miami with the lubavitchers!

bochur
February 8, 2012 10:57 pm

Best article that I have read. Thank you!

Spot On! Yasher Koach!
February 8, 2012 10:54 pm
wow amazing
February 8, 2012 10:51 pm

very well written.

Thank you!
February 8, 2012 10:46 pm

For someone finally not being afraid to take a stand and tell it straight and strong, but respectfully.

Go rabbi schusterman!!
February 8, 2012 10:31 pm

Amazing article. You speak the truth.

Rabbi Gershon Schusterman - Thank you!
February 8, 2012 10:28 pm

A tremendous article. This is great!

I appreciate this article so much. It is so clear and to the point, as many of your instructions and advice often is.

This needed to be said, and I hope it has a positive effect.

I will not embarrass you with say how great a Chossid you are, because you are a humble person. But, suffice to say, your counsel is sound and your guidance is appreciated.

May your words from the heart, enter the heart.

– a friend & part-time Mushpa from Long Island 🙂

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