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Reb Yoel's job to 62
November 6, 2012 10:24 pm

Reb Yoel is not merely a parrot or tape recorder. He was also to chossen by the Rebbe to – for instance – write the Seffer Haerchim. In other words to EXPLAIN the words of the Rebbe(im).

Reb Yoel's job
November 6, 2012 4:46 pm

I would like to make one thing perfectly clear: A Choizer is like Lehavdil a press secretary who reports what the president said. He does not make the policy for the country. He doesn’t decide if the country goes to war of not. Reb Yoel’s job is to repeat the sichos only -period- whether he agrees or not is not important.

to $54
November 6, 2012 4:13 pm

It’s time use you realize that there is still only one Rebbe now. “King Moshiach Shlita”. In the 80’s no one dared to disagree. Not even Reb Yoel . In fact coats should only be given to those who are not ashamed to wear flags. Ish All Diglo

It sounds like shanghai all over again
November 6, 2012 3:03 pm

In shanghai China during world war 2, Lubavitch bachurim were refused assistance form certain Jewish orginizations, because they were Lubavitch.One Bachur died as a result.

Why?
November 6, 2012 2:58 pm

Why do people like to cause problems!!!!!
He thinks one thing and he thinks the other.

To # 32
November 5, 2012 9:30 pm

Luv it! you’re my type a guy.

to #10
November 5, 2012 7:17 pm

wake up and smell the coffee

To #54
November 5, 2012 6:01 pm

Couldn’t agree with you more. I too grew up in the 80’s and being Lubavitch was something very different than it is today. Today being Lubavitch on one side means being part of an outreach program and on the other side it means being a Rebbe-getchke follower. This isn’t what I signed up for. I have started to look for a better fit for my family but so far I haven’t found it. I should’ve never eaten the keshah in TTL (OP), there doesn’t seem to be another helping from where that original stuff came from. The mashpiim were always… Read more »

wow...
November 5, 2012 5:59 pm

IS THIS HOW LOW WE’VE FALLEN?!

Wow Im glad I grew up in the 80's with one Rebbe..
November 5, 2012 4:08 pm

..and one Chabad. In those days there were the Oholei Torah boys and us in Ocean parkway, but we were all united under the rebbe. After seeing this it doesnt surprise me to see this new phenom called Chabad l-ght. is it any wonder the young chevra are so cynical..? I think this article and peoples silly comments is a good thing . Should shine a light on the shtick and division and maybe we will all wake up one day and realize why Moshiach is still far away. PEOPLE !! Moshiach is waiting for you all to get your… Read more »

Tzedoko
November 5, 2012 11:15 am

I don’t understand why the Vaad Hatmimim does not give the bochrim the coats, hats and suits like they give them food and accommodations for tishrei? Where is Yossi Popack, Avremel Lockshin, Shaye Boimilgreen and Minsski? Let them support their bochrim with clothing and tickets to come for Tishrei.

to # 28
November 5, 2012 11:08 am

It’s amazing that your letter # 28 is Begmatria Yechi. In last weeks Sedra. Avraham Avinu after giving food to the Antis told them to Bless Hashem or else. Those unwilling had to pay for the food (or coats)

These people have to go to...
November 5, 2012 11:00 am

It’s time for people in CH to get rid of these hoodlums. And the ones in charge are nothing more than that and they should be put in their place. Shame they have the backing of a man like Drizin. If they didn’t they’d be a nobody. What do they say, “der voss hoht der me’ah hoht der de’ah.” Shame! It won’t stop until either Drizin doesn’t have the “me’ah” or he wakes up and smells the coffee. Maybe if there was a peace initiative between AGUCH and Merkos and Drizin he’d change and then Lubavitch could finally do some… Read more »

TO ALL YOU HATERS OUT THERE
November 5, 2012 10:49 am

kudos to COL for not being afraid and telling it like it is.
we dont need fake stories from other sites (in either direction)
they are the only ones that tell it like it is

Chai Vkayam
November 5, 2012 10:33 am

The Kvutza is only for Bochrim that come to the Rebbe and learn in Bais Moshiach. Whether Reb Yoel agrees or not !!! Let the ones who don’t agree go back ASAP. Remember Avraham Avinu made those who don’t believe- pay for their food. Go to Obama for welfare, not to Aishel. Yechi Admur Lolom Voed.

Mendel
November 5, 2012 10:24 am

Attention 46

Why is collive not neutral? because you don’t agree with this article?
I personally don’t think this article is slanted. Its just the truth.
And the truth hurts.

This is so depressing...
November 5, 2012 10:22 am

“Why can’t we all just get along?”

Collive
November 5, 2012 9:56 am

At least we all know now where you stand.

You’ve been playing neutral till now, With your slanted reporting its easy to see.

Sigh
November 5, 2012 9:38 am

This is just sad

Joe
November 5, 2012 9:38 am

To all those in disbelief who are sure there must be another side to the story: As a bochur in 770, I can safely assure you there isn’t. The story was as straightforward as you can imagine. Bochurim went to register for coats as they do every year, and were told they would have to sign this letter.

Wake up and smell the coffee.

just saying
November 5, 2012 9:37 am

competition? macloikes?

welll get go down the list (at least part of it)

Ohalei torah mashicistin opened oir eloozor menachem.

NCFJE Kaporis mashchistin opened his own.

CGI sprritzer maschistin open gan elozor menachecm

beis rivkah they open bnos elozor menachem

Merkos maschistin opens merkos moshiach

Kfar chabad magazine, maschistin open beis moshiach

raboinim of CH, maschistin make there own

the list goes on, the vadd made an option for the bochrim that we not allowed to join eshel that’s it. if you join eshel you are not allowed to got to ohel etc etc.

to 2 18 20
November 5, 2012 9:29 am

its REB Yoel (kovad for a Talmud Chochom)

to 20 your right but important people know how to sometimes get involved in something below their honour if they feel they it has to get done

machlokes
November 5, 2012 9:10 am

why is eishel giving out coats? isn’t it the job of kupas bachurim?

help for the sake of helping
November 5, 2012 9:09 am

What does the gvir think? Just because he has a few extra million he can run the world? trhere is a G-D who runs this world and our job is only to do CHESED with no strings attached.

Alleh groiseh dayeh zogers
November 5, 2012 9:02 am

Look, someone is giving things away because HE wants to- with HIS conditions.
When you give Tzedokah YOU give to the Charity of YOUR choice.
If you have any criticism, DO something about it, like… give your own coats away with YOUR own conditions…
Remember, practice what you preach. If you don’t like conditions, don’t place any on Drizin!

Gosh you gotta love CHers
November 5, 2012 8:57 am
To all you who are criticizing
November 5, 2012 8:50 am

Give us all a break!
Every time you disagree with a story, you blame COL for posting it. This is news. This is what happened. If you are embarrassed it then take it up with the people who are involved. Not with the messenger.

is this some kind of joke?
November 5, 2012 8:47 am

if you are giving tzedaka – give it. do nt make conditions. that totally negates the zechus.
unless…. the charity is being given with an ulterior motive…
got to wonder what’s the real purpose behind all of this “altruism”
do these people need to buy their followers?
it would seem so…

shocked in CH but livid!
November 5, 2012 8:19 am

Why knock COL for the story? That is what I expect from a first rate source. What? maybe I should go log on to another messianic sourced site for REAL news?

We all know who is who – if you don’t want to read go and leave the masses here. COL ain’t supid.

That said – the maclokes is appaling – I can easily see R’Kahn saying that in yiddish for sure – what a disgrace. SOme of the wealthy youngerlit in CH should cover all those that don’t “qualify” for a coat nebach –

SHOCKING
November 5, 2012 7:45 am

I dont believe for a minute that R’ Drizin wrote that letter. There are people who love making machlokes and they will stop at nothing to get what they want. They must have written it and got him to sign it.

Alternative Chabad Programs
November 5, 2012 7:44 am

B’H so many alternative chabad programs have been launched over the years outside of NYC. I wonder why so many of them ended in beis din and familes with longstanding chazokos were thrown out of town overnight. Please, the hypcricy is too great for me to bear.

I'd rather freeze!
November 5, 2012 7:38 am

Many times over the years I rejected “gifts” that came with strings (including a VERY large check from a family member for my wedding, which I tore into pieces & mailed back.) Tell me where I can donate a coat to & I will do it. It won’t be the first time, I’ve paid for coats for children in Yeshiva whose parents couldn’t afford them. In this case I think it’s very important all of us normal people join together and tell Drizin to take a hike with his “Tzedaka.”

To 2 and 22
November 5, 2012 7:07 am

It’s nothing to do with forcing someone to believe in a certain way. They ca. Believe what they want it doesn’t bother him.
But, (punch line) DON’T RUN OVER THE HANHALA IN 770,AND BEAT THEM UP WHENEVER YOU WANT!!!
believe what ever you want just don’t kill anyone on the way

to 1
November 5, 2012 7:03 am

How do u know its been worked out?
And even if it has, the behavior by the eshel people was despicable. Why do they insist on claiming they don’t discriminate against those who went to the ohel when they clearly did?

THE REAL EMES
November 5, 2012 6:59 am

THE EMES IS THAT THE REBBE TOLD BUCHRIM TO STAY OUT OF MACHLOKAS AND JUST LEARN AND DO MIVTZOYIM. ANYTHING THAT SMACKS OF MACHLOKASDOES NOT BELONG FOR THE BOCHRIM TO SIGN.

Mother of Bocherim
November 5, 2012 6:45 am

Since when did Tzedaka come with strings; this is sad. It enough that these bocherim have to take from someone but to make this contingent on something is in the least counterproductive and takes away the kavod of the mitzva. My wish is that these bocherim should not have to take, but if they do need to, please do not make them feel the stress and unneeded embarrassment.

chaim36
November 5, 2012 6:33 am

The heads @ 770 should have thrown out these messianics. They stole the movement from the rebbee[obm].

baruch hashem
November 5, 2012 5:58 am

i dont live in crown heights

# 1
November 5, 2012 3:56 am

how do you know? ever exchanged two words with him?

LOWEST OF THE LOW
November 5, 2012 2:18 am

BRIBE POOR GUYS IN THE WINTER WITH COATS?!!?

If that’s what you have to resort to in order to underpin your beliefs, its an airtight proof, that you have nothing else to stand on other than pure manipulation. If any reader still had a lingering doubt that there was one fibre of sincerity among this Meshichist movement, that “contract’ should remove any such doubt, from anyone with half a brain or a conscience.

To #1
November 5, 2012 1:59 am

There is no way he didn’t..

Nunu
November 5, 2012 1:25 am

No one’s forcing you to get a coat. Don’t like Drizin’s conditions? Don’t take his free stuff. Not so hard.

why do you need to take his coat??
November 5, 2012 1:04 am

These guys can spend thousands to travel and learn here but they don’t have 100 dollars for a coat? I don’t get it.

r o
November 5, 2012 1:04 am

Com on chaYldish pastt nisht far yoel

Couldn't agree with #2
November 5, 2012 12:56 am
The man's right!!!
November 5, 2012 12:54 am

Why should he support those who fight him? It’s his money, isn’t it? Why should he give it to those who wage war against him?

Also, in the letter Yoel Khan does not say Eishel stops bochurim from going to the Ohel (read it again). He says there are “those that say” that they stop bochurim from going to the Ohel. Essentially admitting to being fed misinformation.

Rabbi Kahn?
November 5, 2012 12:53 am

Don’t think that’s his name! he is called Reb Yoel, and that the real respect. K’yadua (like its known) the Rebbe’s father was called Reb Levik (at least around Chassidim). and many many other Chassidim: Reb Aisik Homler (not Rabbi of Homel), Reb Hillel Paricher (not Rabbi of Parich), Reb itche Der Masmid (Not Rabbi Gurevitz), Chonye Marozov, Chatche Feigen, , Shilem, Reb Mendel (Futerfas), Reb Nissin (Nemenov), the list goes and goes… בכלל (in genaral) משפעים in Lubavitch were called by their first name (and maybe the ראשי ישיבות were called by their last name..). there is a story… Read more »

cant we all just get along
November 5, 2012 12:40 am
whats the problem
November 5, 2012 12:39 am

Hendel gets the funds, he decides.!!

Supporting Businesses in Kan Tzivah
November 5, 2012 12:28 am

Many times the Rebbe stressed the importance of supporting the shchunah. It would be nice to support our own businesses in crown heights instead of going elsewhere.

This Generation doesn't care!
November 5, 2012 12:28 am

And we lived happily ever after!

Practice what you preach
November 5, 2012 12:28 am

Close Bais Mashiach mag….opened though there was Kfar Chabad. Remove everyone who went into cities where there already are shluchim….they went to create machlokis…etc.etc.etc

Looks like some people like bringing up Machloikes
November 5, 2012 12:25 am

Do you really think you have both sides of the story?????

falsehood
November 5, 2012 12:17 am

I dont beleive this to be true. Sholom ber Drizin is a wonderful man.

organizations
November 5, 2012 12:14 am

who did ato ever let down to host and accomodate?

donate for the bachurim.
November 5, 2012 12:11 am

We are talking about 300 coats, hats, jackets. Total of $300 per talmid.
300×300=$90,000.

Im sure the gvirim of ch, can help.

Ye Right
November 5, 2012 12:05 am

Now let’s hear the other side of the story

att col
November 5, 2012 12:04 am

why do you have to write this so negatively:
“The move has irked the heads of Eshel Hachnosas Orchim Inc., the messianic-affiliated group which controlled the month’s events since around the Rebbe’s passing in 5754.”
you couldn’t think of a more politically correct way to say that?
this whole article you are publishing is trying to stop machlokes, all you are doing is throwing more gas on the fire!

Get a life! people
November 5, 2012 12:03 am

I personally think its always good to have an alliterative, and besides it helps keep standards high, therefor making machlokes out of every little thing is nothing more then CHILDISH ! ! !

Dont take the coats
November 5, 2012 12:02 am
Strings attached
November 4, 2012 11:56 pm

They should let the guy keep his money. If he really cared about the bochurim he wouldn’t try to manipulate their beliefs with winter coats

lol
November 4, 2012 11:54 pm

there is no way yoel kahn wrote that

The disagreement/misunderstanding
November 4, 2012 11:54 pm

This disagreement/misunderstanding has already been worked out, why does every small, stupid, insignificant, disagreement have to be posted online for it to be blown out of proportion?!, I’m disgusted that at a time like now, we’re still excited to post another “news scoop” that’s connected to internal chabad politics.

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