By COLlive reporter
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2 letters being circulated among bochurim in Yeshiva Tomchei Tmimim Lubavitch of 770 Eastern Parkway are settling the score for the happenings of Tishrei this year.
For the first time, the Vaad Hatmimim organization offered a full alternative learning and hospitality program for guests that come to New York for the Tishrei holidays.
The move has irked the heads of Eshel Hachnosas Orchim Inc., the messianic-affiliated group which controlled the month’s events since around the Rebbe’s passing in 5754.
This week, bochurim who applied to receive a hat, suit and coat for the winter from R’ Sholom Ber Drizin, a major donor to Eshel, were reportedly asked to sign a letter denouncing the Vaad Hatmimim.
In a copy of the letter which was sent to COLlive, each bochur is asked to sign a letter stating that he will not have any contact with, or participate in, the Vaad’s programs.
“I am aware that a bochur that participates in such programs will lose his right to receive hats and suits/coats etc.” the letter reads.
In response, Rabbi Yoel Kahn, who served as the Rebbe’s head choizer reviewer and is a Mashpia in 770, wrote a letter highlighting contradictions in Eshel’s policies.
“On one hand, all they are asking for is for students to sign that they have “no connection to matters of machlokes,” and together with that they demand of the students to sign as to which “side” they are on,” he wrote.
Rabbi Kahn, who often appears at Vaad events, writes that Eshel has been selective on who they accommodate (for example, blocking those who visit the Rebbe’s Ohel which they believe does not exist).
R’ Mendy Hendel, head of Eshel, denies the claim.
Either way, Rabbi Kahn suggested to bochurim who sought his advice to forgo the perks and not “sell your birthright” as a bochur of Tomchei Tmimim.
Reb Yoel is not merely a parrot or tape recorder. He was also to chossen by the Rebbe to – for instance – write the Seffer Haerchim. In other words to EXPLAIN the words of the Rebbe(im).
I would like to make one thing perfectly clear: A Choizer is like Lehavdil a press secretary who reports what the president said. He does not make the policy for the country. He doesn’t decide if the country goes to war of not. Reb Yoel’s job is to repeat the sichos only -period- whether he agrees or not is not important.
It’s time use you realize that there is still only one Rebbe now. “King Moshiach Shlita”. In the 80’s no one dared to disagree. Not even Reb Yoel . In fact coats should only be given to those who are not ashamed to wear flags. Ish All Diglo
In shanghai China during world war 2, Lubavitch bachurim were refused assistance form certain Jewish orginizations, because they were Lubavitch.One Bachur died as a result.
Why do people like to cause problems!!!!!
He thinks one thing and he thinks the other.
Luv it! you’re my type a guy.
wake up and smell the coffee
Couldn’t agree with you more. I too grew up in the 80’s and being Lubavitch was something very different than it is today. Today being Lubavitch on one side means being part of an outreach program and on the other side it means being a Rebbe-getchke follower. This isn’t what I signed up for. I have started to look for a better fit for my family but so far I haven’t found it. I should’ve never eaten the keshah in TTL (OP), there doesn’t seem to be another helping from where that original stuff came from. The mashpiim were always… Read more »
IS THIS HOW LOW WE’VE FALLEN?!
..and one Chabad. In those days there were the Oholei Torah boys and us in Ocean parkway, but we were all united under the rebbe. After seeing this it doesnt surprise me to see this new phenom called Chabad l-ght. is it any wonder the young chevra are so cynical..? I think this article and peoples silly comments is a good thing . Should shine a light on the shtick and division and maybe we will all wake up one day and realize why Moshiach is still far away. PEOPLE !! Moshiach is waiting for you all to get your… Read more »
I don’t understand why the Vaad Hatmimim does not give the bochrim the coats, hats and suits like they give them food and accommodations for tishrei? Where is Yossi Popack, Avremel Lockshin, Shaye Boimilgreen and Minsski? Let them support their bochrim with clothing and tickets to come for Tishrei.
It’s amazing that your letter # 28 is Begmatria Yechi. In last weeks Sedra. Avraham Avinu after giving food to the Antis told them to Bless Hashem or else. Those unwilling had to pay for the food (or coats)
It’s time for people in CH to get rid of these hoodlums. And the ones in charge are nothing more than that and they should be put in their place. Shame they have the backing of a man like Drizin. If they didn’t they’d be a nobody. What do they say, “der voss hoht der me’ah hoht der de’ah.” Shame! It won’t stop until either Drizin doesn’t have the “me’ah” or he wakes up and smells the coffee. Maybe if there was a peace initiative between AGUCH and Merkos and Drizin he’d change and then Lubavitch could finally do some… Read more »
kudos to COL for not being afraid and telling it like it is.
we dont need fake stories from other sites (in either direction)
they are the only ones that tell it like it is
The Kvutza is only for Bochrim that come to the Rebbe and learn in Bais Moshiach. Whether Reb Yoel agrees or not !!! Let the ones who don’t agree go back ASAP. Remember Avraham Avinu made those who don’t believe- pay for their food. Go to Obama for welfare, not to Aishel. Yechi Admur Lolom Voed.
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Why is collive not neutral? because you don’t agree with this article?
I personally don’t think this article is slanted. Its just the truth.
And the truth hurts.
“Why can’t we all just get along?”
At least we all know now where you stand.
You’ve been playing neutral till now, With your slanted reporting its easy to see.
This is just sad
To all those in disbelief who are sure there must be another side to the story: As a bochur in 770, I can safely assure you there isn’t. The story was as straightforward as you can imagine. Bochurim went to register for coats as they do every year, and were told they would have to sign this letter.
Wake up and smell the coffee.
competition? macloikes?
welll get go down the list (at least part of it)
Ohalei torah mashicistin opened oir eloozor menachem.
NCFJE Kaporis mashchistin opened his own.
CGI sprritzer maschistin open gan elozor menachecm
beis rivkah they open bnos elozor menachem
Merkos maschistin opens merkos moshiach
Kfar chabad magazine, maschistin open beis moshiach
raboinim of CH, maschistin make there own
the list goes on, the vadd made an option for the bochrim that we not allowed to join eshel that’s it. if you join eshel you are not allowed to got to ohel etc etc.
its REB Yoel (kovad for a Talmud Chochom)
to 20 your right but important people know how to sometimes get involved in something below their honour if they feel they it has to get done
why is eishel giving out coats? isn’t it the job of kupas bachurim?
What does the gvir think? Just because he has a few extra million he can run the world? trhere is a G-D who runs this world and our job is only to do CHESED with no strings attached.
Look, someone is giving things away because HE wants to- with HIS conditions.
When you give Tzedokah YOU give to the Charity of YOUR choice.
If you have any criticism, DO something about it, like… give your own coats away with YOUR own conditions…
Remember, practice what you preach. If you don’t like conditions, don’t place any on Drizin!
Give us all a break!
Every time you disagree with a story, you blame COL for posting it. This is news. This is what happened. If you are embarrassed it then take it up with the people who are involved. Not with the messenger.
if you are giving tzedaka – give it. do nt make conditions. that totally negates the zechus.
unless…. the charity is being given with an ulterior motive…
got to wonder what’s the real purpose behind all of this “altruism”
do these people need to buy their followers?
it would seem so…
Why knock COL for the story? That is what I expect from a first rate source. What? maybe I should go log on to another messianic sourced site for REAL news?
We all know who is who – if you don’t want to read go and leave the masses here. COL ain’t supid.
That said – the maclokes is appaling – I can easily see R’Kahn saying that in yiddish for sure – what a disgrace. SOme of the wealthy youngerlit in CH should cover all those that don’t “qualify” for a coat nebach –
I dont believe for a minute that R’ Drizin wrote that letter. There are people who love making machlokes and they will stop at nothing to get what they want. They must have written it and got him to sign it.
B’H so many alternative chabad programs have been launched over the years outside of NYC. I wonder why so many of them ended in beis din and familes with longstanding chazokos were thrown out of town overnight. Please, the hypcricy is too great for me to bear.
Many times over the years I rejected “gifts” that came with strings (including a VERY large check from a family member for my wedding, which I tore into pieces & mailed back.) Tell me where I can donate a coat to & I will do it. It won’t be the first time, I’ve paid for coats for children in Yeshiva whose parents couldn’t afford them. In this case I think it’s very important all of us normal people join together and tell Drizin to take a hike with his “Tzedaka.”
It’s nothing to do with forcing someone to believe in a certain way. They ca. Believe what they want it doesn’t bother him.
But, (punch line) DON’T RUN OVER THE HANHALA IN 770,AND BEAT THEM UP WHENEVER YOU WANT!!!
believe what ever you want just don’t kill anyone on the way
How do u know its been worked out?
And even if it has, the behavior by the eshel people was despicable. Why do they insist on claiming they don’t discriminate against those who went to the ohel when they clearly did?
THE EMES IS THAT THE REBBE TOLD BUCHRIM TO STAY OUT OF MACHLOKAS AND JUST LEARN AND DO MIVTZOYIM. ANYTHING THAT SMACKS OF MACHLOKASDOES NOT BELONG FOR THE BOCHRIM TO SIGN.
Since when did Tzedaka come with strings; this is sad. It enough that these bocherim have to take from someone but to make this contingent on something is in the least counterproductive and takes away the kavod of the mitzva. My wish is that these bocherim should not have to take, but if they do need to, please do not make them feel the stress and unneeded embarrassment.
The heads @ 770 should have thrown out these messianics. They stole the movement from the rebbee[obm].
i dont live in crown heights
how do you know? ever exchanged two words with him?
BRIBE POOR GUYS IN THE WINTER WITH COATS?!!?
If that’s what you have to resort to in order to underpin your beliefs, its an airtight proof, that you have nothing else to stand on other than pure manipulation. If any reader still had a lingering doubt that there was one fibre of sincerity among this Meshichist movement, that “contract’ should remove any such doubt, from anyone with half a brain or a conscience.
There is no way he didn’t..
No one’s forcing you to get a coat. Don’t like Drizin’s conditions? Don’t take his free stuff. Not so hard.
These guys can spend thousands to travel and learn here but they don’t have 100 dollars for a coat? I don’t get it.
Com on chaYldish pastt nisht far yoel
Why should he support those who fight him? It’s his money, isn’t it? Why should he give it to those who wage war against him?
Also, in the letter Yoel Khan does not say Eishel stops bochurim from going to the Ohel (read it again). He says there are “those that say” that they stop bochurim from going to the Ohel. Essentially admitting to being fed misinformation.
Don’t think that’s his name! he is called Reb Yoel, and that the real respect. K’yadua (like its known) the Rebbe’s father was called Reb Levik (at least around Chassidim). and many many other Chassidim: Reb Aisik Homler (not Rabbi of Homel), Reb Hillel Paricher (not Rabbi of Parich), Reb itche Der Masmid (Not Rabbi Gurevitz), Chonye Marozov, Chatche Feigen, , Shilem, Reb Mendel (Futerfas), Reb Nissin (Nemenov), the list goes and goes… בכלל (in genaral) משפעים in Lubavitch were called by their first name (and maybe the ראשי ישיבות were called by their last name..). there is a story… Read more »
Hendel gets the funds, he decides.!!
Many times the Rebbe stressed the importance of supporting the shchunah. It would be nice to support our own businesses in crown heights instead of going elsewhere.
And we lived happily ever after!
Close Bais Mashiach mag….opened though there was Kfar Chabad. Remove everyone who went into cities where there already are shluchim….they went to create machlokis…etc.etc.etc
Do you really think you have both sides of the story?????
I dont beleive this to be true. Sholom ber Drizin is a wonderful man.
who did ato ever let down to host and accomodate?
We are talking about 300 coats, hats, jackets. Total of $300 per talmid.
300×300=$90,000.
Im sure the gvirim of ch, can help.
Now let’s hear the other side of the story
why do you have to write this so negatively:
“The move has irked the heads of Eshel Hachnosas Orchim Inc., the messianic-affiliated group which controlled the month’s events since around the Rebbe’s passing in 5754.”
you couldn’t think of a more politically correct way to say that?
this whole article you are publishing is trying to stop machlokes, all you are doing is throwing more gas on the fire!
I personally think its always good to have an alliterative, and besides it helps keep standards high, therefor making machlokes out of every little thing is nothing more then CHILDISH ! ! !
They should let the guy keep his money. If he really cared about the bochurim he wouldn’t try to manipulate their beliefs with winter coats
there is no way yoel kahn wrote that
This disagreement/misunderstanding has already been worked out, why does every small, stupid, insignificant, disagreement have to be posted online for it to be blown out of proportion?!, I’m disgusted that at a time like now, we’re still excited to post another “news scoop” that’s connected to internal chabad politics.