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Should You Convince a Friend to Vaccinate

Rabbi Nachman Wilhelm of OnlineSmicha.com discusses what responsibility does a person have to make sure a friend is out of harm's way and its application to get inoculated against Covid-19. Video

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No you shouldn’t
October 25, 2021 4:03 pm

You should do what you feel is right and let your friend do what she feels is right

Source?
Reply to  No you shouldn’t
October 25, 2021 4:58 pm

Where in the Torah do you come to that conclusion

2 beis dins
Reply to  Source?
October 25, 2021 5:27 pm

Beis hillel and beis shammai (who were brothers in law with 2 opposite opinions, one lenient and one stringent how to follow the Torah laws)

I agree with the above
Reply to  No you shouldn’t
October 25, 2021 7:50 pm

People must be free to make their own decisions based on their age, health history, whether they have already had the virus and therefore have natural immunity ( based on research from Mayo Clinic & other respected researchers ) whether they are at risk for serious side affects such as cardiac problems , and many other personal considerations. This is not a “One size fits all” situation – there are many variables and unknowns. Hashem should give us the wisdom to make the proper decision for ourselves and our families.

The Rebbe told us very clear what to do?
Reply to  No you shouldn’t
October 26, 2021 11:06 pm
Answer 1: no
October 25, 2021 4:10 pm

Answer 2: heck no.

What about the opposite
October 25, 2021 4:20 pm

My question is giving the obvious risks of taking the vaccine do I have a obligation to convince my friend not to vaccinate to keep him out of harms way

Boruch Hoffinger
Reply to  What about the opposite
October 26, 2021 7:00 am

The Vaxine is forbidden to all mankind according to Halacha. I’m not a rabbi, or doctor. I KNOW what I’m talking about. I’ve learned from Rabbis Michoel & Daniel Greene, Rabbi Chananya Weissman & many others. A non-Jew, Dr. Reiner Feullmich knows a vast amount & has a big team working with him. HaShem has brought, at this critical juncture in time, a ‘Wonder Drug’ called Ivermectin. It’s only found in Japanese soil, & it, very inexpensively & easily, destroys Covid-19. Millions here, in Eretz Yisroel, have never heard about it. One state in India, Uttar Pradesh, pop. 240 million,… Read more »

kop dr
Reply to  What about the opposite
October 26, 2021 10:51 am

ASK YR DR.

Yr dr
Reply to  kop dr
October 27, 2021 1:59 am

Ask those who pay your doctor

...
Reply to  What about the opposite
October 26, 2021 1:11 pm

And the obvious risks of getting covid/not taking the vaccine. Your friend may have a different opinion and it maybe be better for them

Greatest Mitzvah
October 25, 2021 4:30 pm

The best thing we can do for our friends and our family is encourage them to get vaccinated. If you save one life, it’s as if you saved the entire world.

And that's why
Reply to  Greatest Mitzvah
October 25, 2021 4:38 pm

We will make sure they know all the risks and the harm they are doing to themselves by taking it.

Well, then
Reply to  Greatest Mitzvah
October 25, 2021 4:41 pm

Try to save their life, and not have them take a vaccine that doesn’t prevent the spread of the virus and has side effects, up to and including death r”l.

Yesssssss
October 25, 2021 4:40 pm

Get the world vaccinated!!

Do research
October 25, 2021 4:43 pm

I don’t think it’s in anyone’s place to encourage this vaccine…we just don’t know side effects long term issues.should children be taking it? From what I’ve researched best not.Should elderly or vulnerable take it seems to make sense.Ultimately every person should feel comfortable that they are making best decision for them or their loved ones.

Sure
Reply to  Do research
October 26, 2021 1:21 am

Why would it make sense for someone to take it if he’s at risk for covod either way the vaccine is useless amd dangerous

Boruch Hoffinger
Reply to  Do research
October 26, 2021 7:04 am

You’re not informed sufficiently.
Dangerous & unnecessary innoculation.

Do research
Reply to  Do research
October 26, 2021 1:12 pm

It is not your place to discourage either

100% yes
October 25, 2021 4:43 pm

Encouraging people to get vaccinated is just as important as encouraging them to light shabbos candles or daven every day.

100% no
Reply to  100% yes
October 25, 2021 7:36 pm

You owe it to your friend to encourage them not to get vaccinated as the long term effects arent known, and there are people who i know personally who were harmed. In israel, those vaccinated filled the hospitals as well only a few months after vaccination. Natural immunity lasts much longer than this vaccine. There are many doctors who are experts in this field who are not against other vaccines but warn about this vaccine. Also there are many rabbis against this vaccine . This vaccibe is not the same as other vaccines which were tested 10 yrs or more… Read more »

Wrong
Reply to  100% yes
October 25, 2021 7:36 pm

This is much more important!

Not even a question
October 25, 2021 4:45 pm

Hashem and the Torah demand that we look out for each other. Tell those you love to get vaccinated, you’ll save their lives.

Maybe this will bring moshiach
October 25, 2021 4:46 pm

If we all cared about each other a little more and took the time to get vaccinated, not only for our own sake but the sake of our neighbors and family, then maybe Gd will bring Moshiach.

Truth is...
Reply to  Maybe this will bring moshiach
October 25, 2021 7:25 pm

The vaccine will not prevent the spread. The CDC states this themselves.

So?
Reply to  Truth is...
October 26, 2021 1:12 pm

It prevents death

Exactly how...
Reply to  Maybe this will bring moshiach
October 25, 2021 8:17 pm

Exactly how would it help my neighbors and family if I get vaccinated? After 10 months since the vaccine was released, I still haven’t found an answer, except… “protect the vaccinated from the unvaccinated,” i.e. we need to protect them, as the vaccine alone doesn’t protect them. So why should I get it again?

Research
Reply to  Maybe this will bring moshiach
October 26, 2021 12:03 am

Its clear that you are not aware of the dangers of it. Do your research.

Yes!
October 25, 2021 4:51 pm

Of course you should!

Rofeh Yedid
October 25, 2021 4:53 pm

What happened to the Rebbe’s clear directive of asking a Rofeh Yedid?

Rofeh yedid
Reply to  Rofeh Yedid
October 25, 2021 7:35 pm

Such as the doctors of this community…the people you have always trusted for the health of your family

Rebbe said something entirely different
Reply to  Rofeh Yedid
October 25, 2021 7:42 pm

The rebbe said to ask medical experts and he also said not to take new unproven treatments that havent been thoroughly tested. He also said in 1991 that an old drug will be found to work for this new disease since hashem sends the cure before the makka. Both Hydroxychloroquin and ivermectin were around when the rebbe said this, and they do work

Imho
October 25, 2021 5:15 pm

I didn’t watch this but some of us believe the vax is more risky than covid and others believe covid is riskier than the vax- and obviously every individual has diff circumstances- soooooooo
Plz do not do not do not try to convince your friend of anything since it anyway won’t help but you can
RESPECT THEIR PERSONAL DECISION

Agree
Reply to  Imho
October 25, 2021 6:09 pm

And please do everyone a favor and DO NOT put any terms of yiddishkiet or Moshiach in the same sentence as vax. They have nothing to do with each other.

Nothing to "believe"
Reply to  Imho
October 25, 2021 6:33 pm

Its not about believe or not believe its about evidence doctors are smarter then Facebook they did the research they say take it you take it

Actually many experts disagree
Reply to  Nothing to "believe"
October 25, 2021 7:45 pm

There are many doctors, including in crown hts, who disagree with taking this particular vaccine

What?
Reply to  Actually many experts disagree
October 26, 2021 10:29 am

Which CH doctors oppose the vaccine? I think you’re making this up.

Imho
Reply to  Nothing to "believe"
October 25, 2021 8:28 pm

Evidence?
How is there evidence when we are still in the experimental phase.
In 10 years we can talk evidence.
So far we see ppl being hurt from this vax

Me answers
Reply to  Imho
October 25, 2021 11:18 pm

Well said. Every second we get to make decisions and it ain’t always easy. Hashem puts in front of you information to help u make a choice. Every persons path is going to be different. Pray that we all stay healthy

Crown heights
October 25, 2021 5:16 pm

I don’t understand if someone take vaccine they still can get covid and spread it . there is alot of side efects to the vaccine . people are dying from the vaccines . the unvaccenated are protected. So why should we take this poison when the is not enough data .

No...
October 25, 2021 5:24 pm

Convincing a friend for anything has nothing what to do with the vaccine. Have you tried convincing people? Good luck. We encourage people to do things but we cant ever convince them. Unless they decide.

Don’t convince them!
October 25, 2021 5:32 pm

Mandate it instead!

No mandate
Reply to  Don’t convince them!
October 26, 2021 1:26 am

You cannot force someone to take a medical experiment. To all experts that say this is not am experiment after he lied in your face believe everything else he says!!!!!

I understood…
October 25, 2021 6:11 pm

I took this video to say that you should stop your friend from getting the vaccine. He wasn’t clear and it works both ways. Depends on your feelings about the vaccine

Facts don't care about feelings
Reply to  I understood…
October 25, 2021 7:32 pm

Talk to the doctors of this community and listen to what they say

Do we really Care?
October 25, 2021 6:56 pm

If we really cared about our friends health we should encourage them to lead a healthy lifestyle. Obesity was the leading comorbidity of Covid and is a major health risk. Taking the Vax is the least of our communities health issues.

A Health Care Provider

Exactly my thought!
Reply to  Do we really Care?
October 25, 2021 7:45 pm

Next time I see my fellow Jewish obese friend eating ice cream or pizza I’ll do whatever I can to stop them.

Yes - please educate!
October 25, 2021 7:16 pm

FDA committee members are meeting Tuesday, October 26, to decide on the authorization of this vaccine for children. The FDA is endangering our young population with a product that has little efficacy but which may put them, without warning, at risk of many adverse health consequences, including heart damage, stroke and other thrombotic events, and reproductive harms. The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) has recorded over 800,000 injuries including 17,000 deaths. This is unprecedented! If we consider the research on children ages 12-18 who have taken the COVID vaccine as a warning, healthy children ages 5-11 will die and… Read more »

Yes educate!
Reply to  Yes - please educate!
October 25, 2021 8:41 pm

The vaccine is risky and deadly for so many!
Do your own research and think for yourself!

Thanks
October 25, 2021 8:16 pm

For the majority of people who trust their doctor when they have strep, the flu, whatever else…. speak to your doctor about the vaccine. A rofeh yedid should be consulted if you are still conflicted. There is lots of talk, lots of peer pressure, media and political figures out to sell an agenda- that’s not the way to make medical decisions. Also, many medical treatments have possible side effects, pros and cons- but that doesn’t mean we don’t use them in the appropriate situations. Take antibiotics, counless lives have been saved! Seriously, the discovery of antibiotics was something that changed… Read more »

Speak to your doctor
Reply to  Thanks
October 26, 2021 1:12 am

The Rebbe said to ask a rofeh yedid meaning someone knowledgeable specifically I that type of medicine. I don’t know any pediatrician who learnt the side affects of the vaccines they give on a daily bases, they spend 30 minutes out of their years in medical school learning how to give shots. If you are asking your pediatrician if you should take a vaccine that isn’t a rofeh yedid. About antibiotics, there’s actually a letter from the Rebbe when it was a very new drug and the Rebbe wrote that a person has to do their own research and cannot… Read more »

What?
Reply to  Speak to your doctor
October 26, 2021 10:31 am

Where is this letter from the Rebbe about antibiotics?

Clarity Needed
October 25, 2021 8:25 pm

This is a very dangerous post. Using Torah to draw conclusions that are completely irrelevant and inapplicable and then sprinkling with the association of רודף? Rabbi, please explain yourself in direct terms…are you discreetly assigning the position of רודף to discerning, thinking and people who want to exercise choice?

Shlomk
October 26, 2021 1:16 am

שאני הכא דשכיח הזיקא Who has נאמנות in this industry a bunch of doctors that are on Pfizers payroll? The government that in corrupt insane and incompetent? The rabanim that are too scared to say something that might offend someone? עקבתא דמשיחא חוצפא יסגא But ut shouldn’t be that way I don’t want it to be that way. Many of the rabanom that are speaking are people that I truly do want to respect but they can’t seem to find their way around a paper bag. This is a message to all rabanim in the world. Please למען כלל ישראל… Read more »

Practical halacha
October 26, 2021 1:38 am

But applied to the wrong set of facts unfortunately.
Part of being a real rov ang getting daas torah is knowing how to analyze the metzius….

I will pull MY child out if mandated!
October 26, 2021 1:56 am

The absolute benefit to the child/teen recipient is tiny, and risk of vaccine-induced myocarditis and other adverse reactions reported in this age group is not yet well understood.Mandating something in children w a small & unknown risk benefit ratio is a mistake.

Should we also encourage a fried to lose weight?
October 26, 2021 7:06 am

With heart disease and obesity being the biggest killers in America, should we encourage every overweight person to eat less, exercise more and lose weight? Should we also limit fat people from entering restaurants until they do so?

Just saw this...
October 26, 2021 1:43 pm

Rabbonim Meeting בעז״ה Tuesday כ׳ חשון October 26 Be’ezras Hashem, 9 am EDT In advance of the FDA meeting regarding approving the Covid Vaccine for children, a Beis Din will be meeting and hearing testimony from expert doctors and scientists, and from victims. Join Zoom Meeting https://us02web.zoom.us/j/9521753151?pwd=aVV2Y1ZnQlZObEh2Q3NGTFpwRk0vUT09 Meeting ID: 952 175 3151 Passcode: 248 Or call-in 1-929-205-6099 1-312-626-6799 And enter: Meeting ID: 952 175 3151 # And then Passcode: 248 # All Rabbonim, doctors and community leaders are invited to watch the testimonies. Open to concerned members of the public as well. ***** BezH, the doctors and experts testifying are:… Read more »

Vaccine
October 26, 2021 5:33 pm

The vaccine has already been more than tested on millions of people who took it. The benefits outweigh the risks much more. The vaccine does not protect you from not getting covid, but it does protect you from having to end in a ventilator.
It’s funny how people eat crap, food that you can’t even read the ingredients and yet they get hesitant about a solution for this pandemic.

I agree 100%!!!
Reply to  Vaccine
October 26, 2021 10:51 pm

Thank you! A clear voice in a stream of confused voices!!!

000
Reply to  Vaccine
October 27, 2021 12:24 am

And the crap food your talking about includes pretty much all the ingredients on the package.

Unlike all other vaccines from the past, you dont get a warning label that specifies the risks with this covid vaccine
Probably because it’s still in the trail phase…..in other words your a guinea pig for the next couple of years.

Also, children are more likely to die from the yearly flue than covid…so that should make everyone wonder what is really going on.
I can take the liberty to answer this one: follow the money

Convincing
October 26, 2021 6:17 pm

Usually you should live and let live. But for this fake dangerous vaccination it’s an obligation to tell others NOT TO VACCINATE

know it all
October 27, 2021 10:24 pm

I find it very irritating when people read one article or watch one video or facebook and suddenly think they know everthing about vaccines. Leave it to the poeple who actually know info on the subject and actually studied it namely; THE SCENTISTS Its like once I read on a jewish news site some opinion titled “1 in 8 women had a miscarriage after covid vaccines’ now anybody with any knowledge on miscarriages or who did 30 seconds worth of research would know that the regular miscarriage rate is in fact 1 in 8! just proves how people have no… Read more »

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