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Shor Habor Meats Are No Longer Certified by CHK Kosher

The Shor Habor brand, which was Lubavitch Shechita, and other AgriStar beef and poultry will no longer be under the certification of CHK, rabbis of the Crown Heights Beis Din announced. Full Story

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A new hechsher
March 7, 2024 1:06 am

No worries. I’m sure they already have another lubavitch hechsher lined up to take it over.

Alta Bubby
Reply to  A new hechsher
March 7, 2024 1:48 am

Why would anyone, except for the pure lust of business, want to give them a hechshar if they are not up to par?
Loved their hot dogs
We’re the greatest
They lost our business

kashrus integrity
Reply to  A new hechsher
March 7, 2024 6:44 am

And thats the problam, a hechsher became just a marketing tool not a standard of Kashrus.
Kudos to the CHK for standing up for kashrus standards!

Unfortunately you’re 100% right
Reply to  A new hechsher
March 7, 2024 6:31 pm

That’s the way it is. When one hechsher leaves because of kashrus concerns there will always be someone waiting to happily take them over

Lubavitch Shechita
March 7, 2024 1:26 am

This is very unfortunate. As Lubavitchers and Chasidim we all know that keep to the Lubavitch standard is very important, that includes lubavitch shechita. I understand someone who lives in the middle of nowhere where it is or was close to impossible to get. But baruch hashem, today especially in America it is accessible, and an important part of “viNiflinu” . I hope this gets sorted out, and I hope this opens the eyes of those who have through “yeridas hadoros” struggled in keeping with the Lubavitch standard, to reevaluate which meat they put in their mouth. Hatzlocha

What's the other choices?
March 7, 2024 1:30 am

Which other company has the CHK for the same products?

There are other options out there
Reply to  What's the other choices?
March 7, 2024 7:05 am

Such as David Elliot chicken which has very high standards, and is 100 percent lubavitch schita, besides that you have the crown heights butcher on Albany who also is chk but not agri shor habor.his butcher has excellent standards, and 100 percent shchita lubavitch

What is Lubavitch Shechita?
March 7, 2024 2:57 am

To my knowledge there is no specific set of rules that make Shechita “Lubavitch”.

None of our 7 holy Rebbeim ever used this term.

False
Reply to  What is Lubavitch Shechita?
March 7, 2024 7:47 am

It’s ok if you didn’t know, but then you should ask around and do some research first.

Wrong!
Reply to  What is Lubavitch Shechita?
March 7, 2024 7:47 am

Do just a little bit of research and you’ll see otherwise..

You're unfortunately not fully informed
Reply to  What is Lubavitch Shechita?
March 7, 2024 9:33 am

Our Rebbe definitely used this term. Rabbi Hendel of Montreal asked the Rebbe if the shechita they had in Montreal those days could be considered Lubavitch. In that days the Hungarian yidden ran the shechita and a couple days they allowed a Lubavitcher to come oversee and be mashgiach etc. The Rebbe answered that Lubavitcher shechita means that the Rebbe takes responsibility for that piece of meat and that can only be if the shochet has a full beard, learned Chabad chassidus and goes to mikvah. Only then can it be called Lubavitcher shechita

Wrong
Reply to  What is Lubavitch Shechita?
March 7, 2024 10:04 am

Wrong. Lubavitch Shchita follows the rulings of our Rabbeim, and the Shochet is a Yiras Shomaim, goes to the Mikvah, learns Chassidus etc.
Not every knife holder is a reliable shochet….

Misleading
Reply to  What is Lubavitch Shechita?
March 7, 2024 11:28 am

The Rebbeim we’re adamant that the shochtim in the villages should be chassidim, even allowing for the towns rav to be a misnaged as long as the shochet was a chosid!

The Rebbe
Reply to  What is Lubavitch Shechita?
March 7, 2024 12:30 pm

The Rebbe instructed Rabbi Yitzchok Hendel to only use Lubavitch Shochtim.

Learn your facts than talk.

Not accurate
Reply to  The Rebbe
March 7, 2024 1:55 pm

Thats not an instruction for all times and places.
That’s a private conversation and doesnt apply as a general instruction.
The Rebbe said many times that a provate instruction in not for everyone.

THE REBBE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SHECHITA
Reply to  What is Lubavitch Shechita?
March 7, 2024 12:46 pm

from an article:  During the yechidus, the Rebbe said to Rabbi Yitzchok Hendel that he needed to begin to institute a Lubavitcher shechita in Montreal. R’ Hendel asked: What does that mean? The Rebbe said: Lubavitcher shechita is shechita that the Rebbe, my father-in-law, would eat. R’ Hendel understood that the Rebbe was at that very moment introducing a new standard of conduct for Chassidim and so he said that he still did not understand precisely what this meant. The Rebbe clarified: When people say that meat is Lubavitcher shechita, it means that the Lubavitcher Rebbe is responsible for the… Read more »

Thanks for sharing
Reply to  THE REBBE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SHECHITA
March 8, 2024 2:38 am

Where can I find the article?

Concerned lubavitcher
March 7, 2024 3:03 am

BTW what’s the point of all this with passover coming up!! Who’s taking responsibility for this who will insure that there will be meat and poultry in the stores tomorrow It’s nice to play these money games (like was just done with the matzoh bakery) But it’s done on our accounts If there was an issue spell it out what is it What was an issue that didn’t exist yesterday or the last 30yrs that now became so prevalent that its no longer kosher you haven’t spelled out a single issue in your statement It’s been running perfectly for 30yrs… Read more »

It's not about money
Reply to  Concerned lubavitcher
March 7, 2024 7:01 am

It has to with kasherus standards, from a lubavitch hashgacha we expect a higher standard.!

Enough is enough
Reply to  Concerned lubavitcher
March 7, 2024 7:18 am

Nonsense? Money?
Higher Kashrus is standards is the core of being a Chossid.

Pinchos Woolstone
Reply to  Enough is enough
March 7, 2024 11:38 am

What was the difference between the CHK Hechsher and the Rabbi Weissmandel Hechsher at the Postville plant?.
What is the definition of the term “ Lubavitcher Hechsher”?

They didn't say it's unkosher
Reply to  Concerned lubavitcher
March 7, 2024 9:40 am

They said that their policies and practical procedures were not being implemented… they take precautions to prevent issues. If a company doesn’t listen you can’t keep giving a hechsher. They didn’t say they found treif (maybe they did, but they didn’t say so).

Re-read it slowly and calmly.

Not surprised
March 7, 2024 6:02 am

My husband never bought agri or Shor habor. We were surprised it was under chk until now.

Me also
Reply to  Not surprised
March 7, 2024 7:08 am

I haven’t eaten it for years already because it was not 💯 shochtim lubavitch, and a high standard, who knows maybe things will change overthere after this letter, maybe let’s see what happens, or maybe someone else will open up

Fake News
Reply to  Me also
March 7, 2024 9:49 am

Can I ask and I hope it does not come across too strongly, do you think non chabad yidden are any less jewish? If R Chaim Kanievsky was a shochet would you not trust him?

Who cares is the shochet is chabad?!?

What do you do?
Reply to  Me also
March 7, 2024 11:18 am

So, what do you do? What shechita do you eat?

David Elliot chicken
Reply to  What do you do?
March 7, 2024 5:22 pm

David Elliot chicken and the crown heights butcher on Albany

Shlucha
Reply to  Not surprised
March 7, 2024 12:50 pm

So what did you eat ?

Happy to see
March 7, 2024 7:37 am

When something terrible happens everyone screams ” where were the rabbonim”

Now Rabbonim actually stand up and do something so now you complain its about money.

I applaud the rabbonim for standing up to a processor and doing the right thing.

I understand the decision of chk very well
March 7, 2024 7:47 am

And personally I haven’t eaten shor habor in years , on the other hand I am wondering what will be with the lubavitch mosdoes in Iowa, how will this inpact them, also I was wondering what options they can create to replace agri, I mean it will have to be a plant located in a way that it can reach the entire united states very curious how the chk will come up with a new plan

For the record
March 7, 2024 7:57 am

The Rebbe did not allow the Badatz of Crown Heights to call themselves “Lubavitch” or their Hechsher should be called “Lubavitch” – the Bais Din is purely a “Crown Heights” Bais Din NOT “Lubavitch”.

They thus gave a CHK Hechsher (not a “Lubavitcher Hechsher”.

Postville
March 7, 2024 8:03 am

BTW: Not all Shochtim in Postvile (under Badatz of Crown Heights) were always necessarily Lubavitcher Chassidim

But what are people to do?
March 7, 2024 8:34 am

David Elliot makes chicken…what about all the beef products? It’s nice that those in little CH have used the local butcher shop with their 100% standards, but Agri provided kosher meat to thousands around the country and around the world. How do you replace THAT?
It sure looks like politics here….

Taco Tuesdays and Sausage Sundays…
March 7, 2024 8:54 am

Does this mean we have to go vegetarian for a while or embrace Zuckerbergs path of only eating what you shecht yourself?

Is there a YouTube clip on deveining properly?

Bob
March 7, 2024 9:26 am

Can the chk please publish an updated list of every single food product and restaurant that has their certification?

may postville be blessed infinitely forever
March 7, 2024 9:53 am

may postville be blessed infinitely forever

Kashrus Pro
March 7, 2024 10:16 am

Let’s face it, the folks in crown heights, even though they think they’re more powerful, are not so powerful in the overall scheme of things. There’s no doubt that agri star is up the par because they have a lot of other certification agencies. If anyone doesn’t want to eat from their products, then please don’t. I think the brand name that you’re talking about is such a small nothing with nothing there in comparison to everything else, it wasn’t worth the headaches from the people in crown heights.

Lubavitch
March 7, 2024 10:41 am

A Schochet has to be someone with Yiras Shamaim. Lubavitch doesn’t have a monopoly on Yiras Shamaim.

A Proud Lubavitcher

Agreed
Reply to  Lubavitch
March 11, 2024 11:43 pm

But if you believe there’s a better derech to become a yiras shamayim, why are you a lubavitcher? And if Lubavitch is the best derech, than it would make sense that overall a lubavitcher would be a greater yiras shamayim than his counterpart. And if so, when it comes to meat, it definitely makes sense to be machmir on a Lubavitcher shochet

Out of the mouth
March 7, 2024 10:56 am

Let’s try to be careful of what comes out of our mouth just as much as what goes in

Wherever possible?
March 7, 2024 11:09 am

“We urge the members of our community, Anash elsewhere and all consumers, to insist on the highest standards of Kashrus and to use CHK products wherever possible.”

So, if it’s not possible, then Empire should be okay.
.

unrelated
March 7, 2024 12:02 pm

I want to buy cholov Yisroel kosher organic milk and don’t know of anywhere that ships. Does anyone know of any?

Only 1 side of the story
March 7, 2024 5:59 pm

Probably more to the story

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