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Sanitation is Not My Issue

From the COLlive inbox: A mother of an infant living in Crown Heights is dreading the expected snow, but not because of the corrupt sanitation department. Full Story

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rude
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rude

thats just sad!! if i lived in ch i would be horrified to see thing like that happening thank g-d we dont have such problems here in melbourne!! but thats a big sad shame!!

In the same boat
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In the same boat

couldn’t agree more!

Ergo
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Ergo

Get an Ergo – its a great carrier and you don’t have to worry about the stroller. Or get a cheaper carrier – don’t be locked in just because you’re determined to use a stroller.

mother
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mother

its so true this is my first winter not pushing a baby in a stroller, but I have had many and its so annoying their are some blocks that I have avoided during the snow season

I agree
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I agree

it is sad but often true that while coming up the stairs by the subway most pepole would stop to help me with my stroller, but sadly that is not the case by kingston ave station

well put
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well put

also, don’t forget to pay attention to the refreezing melted snow and slush and put salt. thank you friends and neighbors.

I agree
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I agree

I fully agree. As a mother of children who are both walking and riding it is very very very hard to get around in the snow to do anything. BH I live in a building that has a super that shovels every time the snow comes down. For those who will comment on the Non Jew opening the door, it has happened to me many times. I also want to say there are Jewish people who are happy to help too.

You were right until you went against halacha...
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You were right until you went against halacha...

It is against halacha for a man to hold open a door for a woman, unless she is in need of it. Another halacha of tznius that a CH resident doesn’t know!

thank you for writing this!
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thank you for writing this!

But may I add: that some people think, if they shovel just a little narrow path, they are yoitzeh the shoveling. but, this makes it even harder on us mothers wit the strollers. the wheels get stuck and that makes it very hard to get out of the snow. plus, the next day when the snow turns ice and it mamesh dangerous, people can slip and fall and get really hurt. SHOVEL WHEN IT’S STILL FRESH ON THE GROUND, IT WILL BE MUCH EASIER THAN SHOVELING LATER ON AFTER IT TURNED HARD.

Mom of Four
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Mom of Four

Yes, its sad, but bochurim and men push their way out of the doorway as I am trying to get in or out of it. Parents, teach your kids some manners!

come on!
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come on!

after reading the first article i was able to tell this women lives in a building and never had to shovel snow in thier life! i bet she lives ina section 8 not making cash not paying taxes getting every govt program and wants to be treated like a queen!! get out get a job buy a house pay taxes and we will see how you shovel!!

same problem
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same problem

yea me too i have to walk in the street with my stroller , yes i know its dangerous but i have NO other choice , its very selfish for people not to clear the WHOLE SIDEWALK im so tempted to call 311 on some people

Vey well put
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Vey well put

I agree with you 100% .
It’s unfurtunate that the Yidden are less caring than the non- Yidden . Hopefully , more people will read this and be more considerate of others feelings !

Uh huh
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Uh huh

I once walked into Beis Rivkah (I’m a female) & a frum lubavitcher male entered infront of me. Instead of holding the door open for me,he let the door slam right infront of my face!!

So true!!!
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So true!!!

Double stroller user.

TO #4 and #7
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TO #4 and #7

There is no halacha involving a man holding open a door for a woman. I think you need a good dose of the 5th section of Shulchan Aruch – Common sense.

#7 – your comment is a red herring and does not address the issue. Her points are valid. You are falacious.

thank you
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thank you

thank you!!
I, too, find it extremely difficult to go anywhere with my stroller in the snow. It’s disgusting that ch residents cannot shovel the sidewalk. Or, if they do, they shovel only enough space so a cat can walk down the sidewalk.
Not only is it difficult for parents with strollers, it is also unsafe for anyone walking.

montgomery st
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montgomery st

we are very caring crown heightsers, and always clear the entire sidewalk, people should learn from our example!!!!!!!!!!

to #5 and #14
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to #5 and #14

#5 I usually offer to help someone with a stroller or other impedement, bu even if nobody offers, you are fully wit in your social/civil right to ask any stranger “could you please give me a hand with my stroller”. To #14 if this happended to you once (as you say) that means that it did NOT happen hundreds of times! Perhaps the guy was distracted by something on his mind, or had not noticed you. This has happended to me on occasion (not holding the door, when appropriate), and is embarrassing. If i realize immediately, I apologize, but sometimes… Read more »

mother with a stroller
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mother with a stroller

i lived in crown heights for 2 years, and people (Lubavitchers) often held the door open for me when i’d go in and out of stores.

To #11
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To #11

Why assume? She has a valid point whether owning a house or not. I happen to own one and see the struggle that mothers go through with strollers. You probably are too lazy to do your job- that is if you own a home. Be a mench. And forcthose that do shovel please shovel a straight path. There are sidewalks that make you feel as if you’re in a maze.

I found the opposite
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I found the opposite

I live on a block with around 7 goishe houses on my side. Out of all 7, only 2 had shoveled and the rest did not. Only 2 Yidden did not shovel.

MOTHER
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MOTHER

SHE IS SO RIGHT BUT STORE OWNERS ALSO HAVE TO CLEAN THE SIDEWALKS EVEN ON KINGSTON AVE, AFTER THE BIG STORM I WALKED UP KINGSTON AVE AND SAID TO A STORE OWNER MAYBE TO MAKE THE PATHWAY BIGGER AND HE ANSWERED ME ARE YOU SO FAT , BUT I HAD TO WAIT FOR THE OTHER PERSON TO PASS SO THAT I COULD PASS , I THOUGHT WHAT IF HATZOLOH HAD TO RUN UP KINSTON, WHAT A CHUTZBAH.. I DID NOT EVEN HAVE A STROLER JUST SKINNY ME.

resident
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resident

I agree with number eleven. I am father who has ot run to work right after shachris and cannot shovel right away. I am not living off government programs and have bills to pay. I figure the snow is fresh and no one will fall. I always shovel when get home so it does not turn to ice. The sad part is that once when my wife shoeveld , poeple passes by staring. Imagine how she felt. They didnt say thank you. They just stared.She got so embarrased. No its not a woman’s job but someof us have no choice.… Read more »

Totally agree
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Totally agree

I hate to watch men walk by women struggling with strollers in the snow. I always stop and help!

To #11
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To #11

You are downright nasty!
how on earth is a mother with a little baby (or many children) supposed to stand and shovel snow?
you sound like you are missing some screws in your head!

disappointed
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disappointed

buildings need to clean more then 2 feet could walk

#11?!
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#11?!

Are you serious? I’m a mom with a double stroller who lives in a house and pays someone -with money that’s not extra- to clean my sidewalk. Please, princess? All we’re asking for is a little bit of menchlichkeit.
And it’s not just moms. My super-fit grandma is terrified for her older bones. She broke a hip a few years ago because her neighbor did not shovel.

seperate the 2 issues
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seperate the 2 issues

one issue is shoveling sidewalks, I agree every homeowner should shovel a full path. How hard can it be already, its like a few feets worth.
But helping strangers lift strollers? Sorry some people are just not strong enough or dont care to strain their wrists or get all bumped in the shins by slushy wet wheels which is inevitable when lifting them. Mothers should just get carriers.

To #14 and to #8
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To #14 and to #8

A man is not allowed to walk behind a woman. So a man should walk in front of a woman but it would be menshlich of him to hold the door open for a woman especially one with a stroller or little kids. I’ve walked around with a stroller before and sad to say there’s not too many people who help out when you’re walking into stores. And to #19 yes cut some people slack they didn’t notice but people should make it a point to look around and notice and see if anyone needs help. Moshiach now! and #11… Read more »

Dear  #16
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Dear #16

I actually think that you need a good dose of real Shulchan Aruch… to hold a door open for the next person to catch themselves, is NOT against halacha. However, to hold open the “gentelman” way is not tznius and cannot be done, USE YOUR COMON SENSE WHY!

A little mentchlichkeit
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A little mentchlichkeit

i have to agree that there is very little mentchlichkeit towards our own. I was once flying during the summer with 4 young children. I shared the plane with the entire staff of a certain summer camp. I was happy because I was sure that some of those bachurim would offer me a hand when we got off the plane. EVERY SINGLE one of them just walked right past me (yes the lady with the shaitel and little kids with yarmulkes). An old lady in her 70s offered to help and pushed the stroller for me until baggage claim…

i am #11
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i am #11

she is right in her point but its the tone she is using! she is amking as if the entire CH are nasty people!! of course i agree everyone should shovel a wide path and i shovel the entire sidewalk to the street! and so do most people! and most people hold doors for others!! its the way she is writing the article that is wrong

to #11!!!!
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to #11!!!!

i actually live in a house! i shovel my sidewalk! i pay my taxes! it seems like you know about all the government fundings but do you know the NY state law is that sidewalks have to be shoveled 3 hrs after the snow stops falling! but this is all irrelevant. what does it have to do with having safe and clean sidewalks that pregnant women, women, children, elderly people and everyone in between should be able to walk down the street and doesn’t matter what block it is.

continuation
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continuation

and for all those who do shovel, thank you!

to #11
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to #11

I have government programs and have three jobs and still don’t make it thru the month, you should watch your words and your TONE and why do you asuume this women has section 8? SHE HAS A BABY period and please, go ahead and you try pushing a baby carriage thru mountains of snow.

to #24
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to #24

there is NOTHING wrong with a woman shoveling the snow if she is not pregnant and she is in good physical condition!!!
Buying a good quality shovel can take half the hard work out of shoveling. Try the ergonomic ones….
Shoveling snow is actually a good form of exercise, but make sure to take a break if you feel out of breath-don’t underestimate the amount of work you are putting your body through while shoveling a decent amount of snow.

shovel before shachris
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shovel before shachris

if shoveling was so important to you – as it should be – you’d wake up earlier to shovel. shovel before shachris – so all the people who have to pass your house all day will have a clear sidewalk to walk. yeah, some people do get up extra early – because they care.

not true
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not true

I am a mother who lives in a mixed Jewish and Gentile building (763 EP).

I have found the Yidden here to be extremely helpful and polite.

You should be careful before saying Loshon Horro about Yidden (especially comparing them to others).

to #8
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to #8

You are obviously an IDIOT! She is saying that she IS IN NEED – therefore the man should keep the door open for her….if anything , its not for her, its for her baby!

You are one of those who think its more important to shun women – then be a mentsch as yiddishkeit demands!!

Tip
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Tip

Walk on the side of the street that the sun hits in the morning. (usually more melted)

Best carrier
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Best carrier

beco butterfly 2 is an awesome Baby carrier. Way better than ergo!!

I'm fed up!
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I'm fed up!

Where is veohavta leraiacha comocha. Which incase you (men and bochurim) didn’t know includes everyone including woman, girls and your wife etc! To those who are sensible: do you have to let the door bang in front of a girls face. Are you really doing a mitzvah? The answer is No. You are showing that she is a doormat and you have no respect for a bas yisrael created in the image of G-d. Girls lets hope that there is not a nx time, G-d forbid if this happens lets run after these senseless men and bochurim who feel so… Read more »

SO TRUE!!
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SO TRUE!!

One of the reasons I hate winter in Crown Heights is for this reason!! I have one daughter that goes to pre-school. When it snows and people do not shovel wide enough for a stroller, or not completely with ice still on the ground I cant take her to school. Sometimes I have to carry her the entire way to and from school while worried about slipping, and being 6 months pregnant! Please please please, when you shovel your sidewalk make it wide enough for strollers to pass with ease. I agree with the second comment as well, the only… Read more »

Shovel crosswalks - a big mitzvah!
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Shovel crosswalks - a big mitzvah!

Thank you to everyone who shovels promptly and properly! BTW, If you are physically capable of it and want to do a BIG mitzvah, shovel out the crosswalks by your corner. The women with carriages, the elderly, and everyone else will shower you with brachos!! Also, homeowners, when the snow starts to melt and water drips from your porch onto your driveway, walkway or sidewalk below, get out the salt and sprinkle well. One year, water dripped onto our well-shoveled walkway and froze, and a delivery man slipped on it and broke his arm. He didn’t sue, but we ended… Read more »

Thank you, Chanoch L'Naar boys
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Thank you, Chanoch L'Naar boys

Thank you, Chanoch L’Naar boys, for shoveling so well near your yeshiva and around to Albany Bakery! Also, thanks to whoever shoveled the block on Albany btw. Union and President on the east side of the street. It makes a big difference!

To #40
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To #40

You may be right, but the author also seems to say that men should open doors for every woman. Many of the comments here seem to agree. Maybe number 8 was thinking that. Also now that it is freezing and windy, men are struggling with their hats and might not always be aware of their surroundings, especially women who may or might not be going into the same store.
SHOULDN’T WE LAUD OUR BOCHRIM FOR NOT BEING AWARE OF EVERY WOMAN ON THE STREET!

to number 24
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to number 24

I Owen a home to here in crown heights if that’s the case get up half hour earlier to shovel your snow excuse me you are you are the selfish one why wait until you come home.

why
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why

should someone need to clean the whole sidewalk?? how bout u try a little bit???? yes, they ARE ‘yoitzeh’ as you put it/

are you kidding me?
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are you kidding me?

#8, a women pushing a stroller and trying to get into a doorway is a “women who needs it” that is rediculous to state its against Halacha for a man to have that basic courtesy of holding the door open.

CIVILITY WORKS BOTH WAYS
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CIVILITY WORKS BOTH WAYS

as a mother with grown children, i was always very upset when people ignored my struggling with a stroller, so i make a point of holding doors for people with (and even WITHOUT strollers). HOWEVER, MOST OF YOU DON’T EVEN BOTHER TO SAY THANK YOU!!! And once, while i was on line in a store, a young mother who asked for my help, TOOK MY PLACE ON LINE!!!

we shovel or hire someone to shovel
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we shovel or hire someone to shovel

it is hard work to shovel but we all do it. we make a path for people to pass. everyone does it because we are all normal people or because the city gives tickets. how selfish can you get to want people to shovel the entire sidewalk for your stroller/ we shovel enough for people to pass. what if you have an extra wide stroller? let you or your husband go on all the blocks that you want to stroll and shovel the entire sidewalk. He won’t do it but wants everyone else to do it. How selfish and self… Read more »

An out of towner
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An out of towner

My elderly parents can barely walk down the street in this snowy/icy weather. And they do need to get to the store for groceries, just like everyone else. So please have rachmonus! If you see an elderly man or woman with a cane, stop and ask them if they need help. Better yet, if you are a neighbor, offer to do an errand for them when the weather is cold and icy. What a mitzvah you will have.

der shoveler
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der shoveler

saddest thing is used a picture taken durign the first few hours of the snowstorm.. and look the little kid is out shoveling .. oh and buy some stroller ski’s http://www.amazon.com/Basic-Comfort-Safe-Start-Stroller/dp/B000674KNK actually makes the snow kind of fun..

What the...
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What the...

Why is everyone directing their coments to men or women!? Never catigorise people (example: “americans are dumb…” “men are stupid…”) There are nice men there are nice women there are nice americans there are nice israelis… so all you people STOP making catagories… Don’t judge your friend!!! I am 15, and my parents have a hard time shuveling… and I’m not so strong and i do all the work. how would you feel if while you were shoveling your hart out someone passes by and says “finaly you shovel!!!” I felt like i should have kicked her… who does she… Read more »

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