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Response to Landmark Eruvin Approval by Chabad Rabbis

Rabbi Mottel Krasnjanski, sent by the Rebbe to Melbourne, Australia, and Rabbi of Or Chadash Minyan, responds to an unprecedented letter by Chabad rabbis supporting the establishment of eruvin in small and large cities. Full Story

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Crown Heights
September 14, 2021 5:52 pm

It is worthwhile to note that not one of the elected dayonim of Crown Heights signed that letter.

Mashpia
Reply to  Crown Heights
September 14, 2021 9:52 pm

Namely?

yossel
Reply to  Crown Heights
September 15, 2021 10:42 am

The most powerful chosheve and greatest chabad rabbonin of our generation signed this very important letter BH that we will bring the geula bepoel.

Salute
September 14, 2021 6:07 pm

I salute you for making this public stand, even though it was probably a bit challenging to do, considering the number of Rabbis who signed the new age rabbinic position. As you write, my clear recollection is that the Rebbe liked the idea of an eiruv IF DONE QUIETLY. If it’s there and people carry, they’ve not transgressed. If it’s broken, but not advertised as being there, shabbat-observants would not be carrying. Advertising an eiruv, would, for those who will carry as the result, over time, change the general shabbat dynamic in people’s minds, and might carry without realizing in… Read more »

Phew
September 14, 2021 6:12 pm

Bh bh for this response bec I also always knew the Rebbe wanted eiruvim only for those who are already carrying . if in small town of lubavitch they could nt find a heter to make an eiruv…

Meyer
Reply to  Phew
September 15, 2021 10:32 am

incorrect shloma hamelech was masaken eruvin to bring peace into the would and for oneg shabbos for people to carry and its a mitzva to use. look in lekutei sichos.

Mottel Krasnjanski - One of a kind
September 14, 2021 6:16 pm

A person of integrity, of emes and true yiras shumayim. I would follow him blindly into any halachic or life matter without hesitation. Regarding the others, I don’t know as much.

australian resident
September 14, 2021 7:05 pm

all of this was addressed by the rabbonim, and he apparently didn’t like the rabbonim disagreeing with him. his position like rabbi levines are well known, and precisely what the kol kore was coming to refute. looking forward to the rabbonim to respond.

Dovid
September 14, 2021 7:45 pm

He has not said anything new that these very esteemed rabbis already addressed the rebbe writes in lekutei sichos חלק י”א page 64 that its a mitzvah to use a eruv. The only idea of not publicizing a eruv is when it’s not kosher lhalacha. The rebbe gave a bracha to kfar chabad and many other cities and there is nothing about not publicizing whatsoever.

Are you sure?
Reply to  Dovid
September 14, 2021 10:20 pm

Read the answer to Melbourne again. The rebbe said that’s it’s inevitable that the eruv will eventually break and people will carry regardless. Obviously it’s talking about a kosher eruv otherwise what would be the point of the whole discussion.

Dovid
Reply to  Are you sure?
September 14, 2021 11:24 pm

The original eruv in Melbourne mentioned that the rebbe wrote about was problematic and made with out permits, hence the rebbes concern same issue was with the first Manhattan eruv. Now both of these eruvim were made proper with all hidurim etc..

Shlucha
September 14, 2021 8:29 pm

I would like to share my experiences with visitors coming to our Chabad house for shabbos from neighborhoods that have a shabbos eruv.
Most either don’t know that you can’t carry on shabbos or assume there is an Eruv. These are Shomer shabbos people

Dovid
Reply to  Shlucha
September 14, 2021 10:28 pm

That is why you are obligated to build a eruv.

Eruv in your neighborhood
Reply to  Shlucha
September 14, 2021 11:03 pm

So make an eruv in your neighborhood too, so people won’t be mechalel Shabbos.

Relief
September 14, 2021 9:04 pm

BH
I am sure that the signers of the original “ unprecedented landmark letter “ regarding the Rebbe’s stance on Eruv and their “Eureka “ moment are completely oblivious to just how disheartening their letter was for the average person who could better rely on educated instinct. Thank you Rabbi Krasnjanski for taking a stand.

Reb Yoel Kahn
September 14, 2021 9:28 pm

Reb Yoel wrote a letter that was published by col a number of years ago that the Rebbe was unequivocally against Eruvin in large cities as stated above. See link below
https://collive.com/reb-yoel-responds-to-eruv/

Meyer
Reply to  Reb Yoel Kahn
September 15, 2021 10:36 am

The Rebbe wrote clearly to Reb Menashe Klein written in mishne halchos that you can make a eruv in brooklyn and other big cities and we don’t have a reshus harabim deuraisa like the alter Rebbe paskens in shulchan eruch.

Rabbi leibel groner, rabbi schwei, rabbi osdoba
September 15, 2021 12:13 am

Rabbi leibel groner wrote a letter saying the rebbe was against an erev in crown hts. Rabbi osdoba also wrote a letter against it, and rabbi schwei and rabbi braun did as well. This was all published in collive a few yrs ago when this same erev question came up for crown hts

Meyer
Reply to  Rabbi leibel groner, rabbi schwei, rabbi osdoba
September 15, 2021 10:39 am

The Rebbe wrote clearly to Reb Menashe Klein written in mishne halachos that you can make a eruv in brooklyn and other big cities and we don’t have a reshus harabim deuraisa like the alter Rebbe paskens in shulchan eruch.
also listen to this clip of the rebbe talking to the rishon lztiyon about eruvin and the rebbe telling mordechai eliyahu that admur hazakain paskens we dont have reshus haraibim and that we also have anti eruv antagonist in chutz laretz. https://www.chabaderuv.com/%D7%91%D7%99%D7%A7%D7%95%D7%A8%20%D7%94%D7%A8%D7%91%D7%A0%D7%99%D7%9D%20%D7%94%D7%A8%D7%90%D7%A9%D7%99%D7%99%D7%9D%20-%20%D7%94%D7%A7%D7%9C%D7%98%D7%94/

EruvStatus
September 15, 2021 11:13 am

It sounds like the Rebbe’s concerns about an eruv being public knowledge and relied on lchatchila are premised on people not being aware of the eruv’s boundaries and the need to verify that it is up each week. These are very valid concerns, but I think they are ones that can be addressed through education and making eruv information easy to find. I created a website to solve exactly this problem called http://eruvstat.us. People can sign up to receive text message notifications on the status of their eruv each week and also view information about the eruv such as who… Read more »

קלאץ קשיא
September 17, 2021 12:45 pm

If the rebbe was so clear to keep the eiruv secretly, how did they ask become known to the public?

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