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Resident Complains About Apartment Left Trashed

A Crown Heights resident shared a video clip showing his rental apartment that was left trashed by visiting yeshiva bochurim from Israel. Not everyone agreed with his complaint. Full Story, Video

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why does it matter
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why does it matter

so? its still not menshlich

Not cool
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Not cool

These bochorim better clean up their act..How were these guys raised? Totally distgusting, no matter what the rent. Doubt they would get away with leaving their own homes in such a mess.

Menachem
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Menachem

Ok so your coming to the REBBE for spiritual uplifting guidance and blessings. In the midst of it all you cause heartache filth disgust and grievances to others. What does one expect their vessel holdIng those blessing to look like ?

My basic reply and advice…. A Security Deposit with clear instruction in the initial agreement.

What a Shonda!
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What a Shonda!

I am amazed at how bochurim/people who are so into learning and making sure they fulfill hidurim to the nth degree, don’t understand basic decency. There is story after story of knowing the character of an individual by how they behave when it comes to everyday behavior.

the cost of doing business....
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the cost of doing business....

really not nice of them to leave your place in such a mess
but were you paid by them to stay there??? still not an excuse,
perhaps they were unhappy with the bedding and furnature?

Speak up
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Speak up

Wld you trash a hotel if you were unhappy w their service?

Cost of....
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Cost of....

Chas V Shalom
We are in no way suggesting they trashed the place for any other reason than they lack self respect and respect to another’s property
What we are saying is everyone has a yetzer hara and there is NO excuse for the mess
But look thru both sides of the window…. these young men could have made video complaining about how some Yid in CH took their money and didnt even let them have use of furnature or bedding or linens
What we are saying is BOTH are not mentchdik.

Sad
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Sad

So so sad!! I can’t even leave my sukkah unlocked. One year my tables and chairs that I borrowed from someone was totally destroyed because they decided to have a party in our sukkah .

Open public discourse
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Open public discourse

I have seen landlords abuse security deposits

Landlord
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Landlord

I hope people read this… I have rented out about dozen apartments over the years that I own. Even the nicest of people can be a total mess. That is why we charge SECURITY to pay for damages that are made. We charge it because it is our only way to ensure that a place is returned clean and rentable. If you did’nt charge security then there is’nt much that can be done. But for the future, you and who ever else is reading this need to know that it’s not an aveira to charge security, rather it ensures YOUR… Read more »

Paid VS donated
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Paid VS donated

It’s not mentchlich regardless, but if they rented it for $$ I feel less bad for him.

It's someone's house
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It's someone's house

Why do you act this way?

THEY DON'T CARE!
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THEY DON'T CARE!

You think they care about their own homes? Even if they do, they think Crown Heights “owes” them. I see these bochurim in Israel & when I come to CH to visit I see the same bochurim strutting around like they own the place, so why do you think they’d look after someone else’s property? I am so glad my girls are married because even though we live in Israel I wouldn’t consider a shidduch with an Israeli Chabadnik, not even from the “best” families. My kids all married American or European shpitz Chabad and those spouses were raised right.… Read more »

wrong!
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wrong!

Just because someone paid to rent an apartment, is that an excuse to trash it?
there is no excuse for such behaviour! Your a mentsch? so act like one!!

Appalling!
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Appalling!

I am appalled! What a disgrace.

Opened your heart?
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Opened your heart?

While I agree that leaving an apartment in such a state is not mentchlich…please don’t talk about opening your heart to guests. You opened your wallet to collect rent. Don’t take away from the many that truly open their hearts and homes to “guests”

I don't understand this behavior
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I don't understand this behavior

I find this shocking and if you don’t there is something wrong with you too.If my son left a place like this I would be mortified.

Not any honest. Bochurim today
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Not any honest. Bochurim today

They call up “ yes we are a group of 4 we are responsible for the full yeshiva term , sept- June 30 .
They sign a contract too .
Comes February , they get engaged , and get married too Bh , they leave you without any replacements .
You can’t find Compatible replacements mid year. There goes three months lost rent .
No decency , You rent for 4 and find five or six living there , the Signed contract means Nothing
יש דין ויש דיין

What are you talkin about?
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What are you talkin about?

So bochurim should only get married during the summer?

Also I know plenty of bochurim basements/apartments and the way it works is that they rent it for a set price and it is up to the bochurim to find people the other bochurim

Not surprised
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Not surprised

Unfortunately not surprised at all. I had Israeli girls that broke lamps and left so much garbage that I was embarrassed to bring a cleaning lady – chilul hashem.

Yossi A.
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Yossi A.

You should have made a video & send it to their parents!!

Bochurim
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Bochurim

Honestly I think hes very lucky over the years anytime I made the mistake to rent to bochurim especially Israeli bochurim I had much much worse issues… issues ranging from bedbugs to non payment of rent. The last time I rented out my place to bochurim I had to throw out 3 couches 8 beds and countless furniture in addition they didn’t make the last 2 payments of rent. I hate to say this but I’m appalled by how bochurim in general behave in the rebbes shechuna . The mashpiam have to step up their acts and give the bochurim… Read more »

Proofreader
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Proofreader

I wouldn’t want any of these bochurim as my son-in-law!

Some people do care,
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Some people do care,

It does not look like it was rented to bochurim, looks like kids, they must of been angry about something. When you rent must find out how many people are coming, and check up on the apartment when they are there, take out there garbage and see what is happening. I have seen worse, beds schlepped into different rooms and broken the beds and walls. Watch who you rent to and get references, and dont be afraid to say NO to some people. Usually the ones that ask for big discounts are the ones that make more mess and trouble.… Read more »

It's wrong, but...
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It's wrong, but...

What age were these bochurim? If under 20, then perhaps you shouldn’t rent to them without an older person taking responsibility. Just like any hotel or rental would require a minimum age… Sometimes that’s how kids could be without ill intent…

MIKELANGELO
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MIKELANGELO

I have not seen the video, so I am not informed of what the landlord commented, but I’ll attempt to judge them favorably by trying to put myself in their head; maybe, just maybe, and this assumption is valid only if they have actually not caused any damage, their thinking was that messy, dirty and full of trash is irrelevant as even if they would not leave behind any garbage whatsoever, the landlord is still going to employ a cleaner to prepare the property for the next tenants. Granted, the cleaner would cost more as he/she would have to worked… Read more »

Something is missing
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Something is missing

That is a ridiculous excuse. Who goes to someone’s house and leaves a mess, assuming that someone else is going to clean up after them? Unless a post-cleaning service was agreed upon, common decency is you leave the place the way you found it (if not BETTER than the original state). In addition to all the “in-depth” learning that is part of yeshiva, there should be talk of what it means to be a mentsch, especially outside of yeshiva. You want to leave your dorm a mess? Better learn how to put your things away, because outside of yeshiva, you’re… Read more »

True
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True

Some people think, Hey! I paid and the money is for a clean up service too! But this doesnt look like bochrim. Its children’s clothes.

Ty!!!!
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Ty!!!!

Yes the place does seem messy! If they were guests that is a sin!!!! I dont know what the deal was here, but I will share an experience that my family had which doesnt make me quick to judge these boys. And no I dont judge the guy either. We are a family of 6 who came into crown heights for kinus. We rented a simple 3 bedroom apt. Just for shabbos $450, and payed $150 cleaning fee! When we got there, the kitchen floor was really dirty, they probably didnt clean it in months. So truth is not really… Read more »

My point is...
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My point is...

Rented places, need to be swept and mopped, bathrooms and kitchens, need to be bleached! And if linen is part of the deal, they need to be washed!

And as long as nothing is damaged, or filthy dirty, some bags on the floor is not that much work! However on the renters part they should care to be mentchlich, for themselves!

It’s the landlords problem
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It’s the landlords problem

Take a cleaning fee and refundable security deposit if no damages. Why on earth would you not? Renting out your property is a great thing to do but it should not have to be with out any security……..

My father said
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My father said

better an empty house than a bad tenant.

it should be..
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it should be..

better an empty house than a bad landlord!
we love to talk badly about tenants but forget about so many “chassidim gezhe families and chsuvei Lubavitch” who are real tyrants! and make young couples with little kids who are trying to start their lives miserable!
Yes be nice to young tenants be an example of how we treat others and how a Jew lives his life!

thumbs up
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thumbs up

SO TRUE!!!!!

Who paid for the clothing originally?
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Who paid for the clothing originally?

As a parent, if I had shelled out for clothing for my children and it was carelessly and casually left behind while on a trip, my child would not get away without my disciplining them in one way or other: wasting good money and clothing like that is a baal tashchis and the opposite of kibud av ve’eim too, not to mention the food being wasted and the chillul Hashem that the (probably not Jewish) cleaning person will see!

rented an apartment
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rented an apartment

how much did you charge?
what amenities did it come with?
did you even leave a garbage bag?
when I go to a hotel I pay minimum and can leave such a mess as long as nothing was broken
don’t call yourself mister Hachnosas Orchim and complain about your rental business
even if there was a security deposit this would not be an excuse to withhold it
I ask again was anything BROKEN?
if yes where they asked to pay and did they say no?

Good Idea
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Good Idea

The day before they have to leave come in and direct them to clean up
and leave the place the way they found it.

A parent of one of the Bochrim in that apartment
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A parent of one of the Bochrim in that apartment

I saw the video yesterday before my son arrived back home to Israel and when he came home I showed him the video, hoping he is not related at all and then he told me, he was there with another 22 bochrim. The feeling were very mixed, but I would like to share some of my conclusions about it. 1. Yes my dear American brothers and sisters, Israeelis are not like you. There is a real cultural and educational gap between you who grew up aknowledging that you are commited to live a Kidush haShem day by day live and… Read more »

What about camp?
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What about camp?

In camp, kids much younger than 14 are required to be seder vnikiyon. Two hundred years ago, 14 year olds were married. It’s all about priorities.

This is the Lesson I Learned From This
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This is the Lesson I Learned From This

Are we raising our son’s to actively take part in the cleaning and upkeeping of the home? If not, we can’t expect that when they go away they will suddenly be able to keep a place clean.

Mashpiim and mechanchim
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Mashpiim and mechanchim

Need to put much more emphasis on derech eretz kadmah l’Torah. We have stories from the Rebbe about this.

Missing the Big Picture
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Missing the Big Picture

Folks, I am reading the comments with amazement….
1) they should have paid a deposit.
2) these kids should be sent back to Israel
3) it will happen again until the community has more stringent standards for these bocherim. Can you imagine their behavior when they become adults.
4) in all due respect, this is not chassidus! And this is not the first time. As we know,these wild unsupervised guys from Israel are off the derech and are visiting New York like Disneyland.
5) walking around dressed like a chosid does not make one a chossid.

What is the point
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What is the point

Why post this story. There are bad apples in every group. Our family had bochurim this past week, over tishrai and every shaboss day meal. They always clean, sweep and take out the garbage after every meal. They clean more and are very appreciative and thankful every week. Do your family a favor, have 5-10 bochurim over for shaboss meal, your family will benefit and you will have a more meaningful shaboss.

Chossid!
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Chossid!

may you shep greater revealed blessings for saying this.

CH resident
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CH resident

It’s the way we teach our kids nowadays. Walk into some of the shuls on Shabbos or YomTov and see the mess, garbage all over the floors.
IT DOES HELP IF THERE ARE MORE GARBAGE BINS AROUND.
I didn’t notice any in the video clip, there should be one in each room.
And garbage bags with instructions where to leave them.

Good for them
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Good for them

I actually think they did the right thing… they’re coming to CH and only focusing on the Rebbe, 770, etc. Amazing

As much as that is the point
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As much as that is the point

In order to strive in Ruchnius you must first have a clean Gashmius!

You can learn somethig from all people
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You can learn somethig from all people

But from some people, you can learn how NOT to be. So just make sure your sons are educated to clean so that this doesn’t happen.
absolutely disgusting

On a good note to the decent menchlik boys
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On a good note to the decent menchlik boys

For the past 9 yrs every Tishrei 6 weeks we open our home( no charge at all) to a family of Chabad Israeli Bochurim(brothers) over the yrs some have married and still come to stay with us. I never ever had one problem with any of the garbage posted here. I guess we are lucky, they were raised right. We just had another group also from chabad in Israel and they also leave the way they came in. Always neat and tidy.

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