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Rabbosai, Excuse My French?

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Mesoireh
February 28, 2022 11:44 pm

To be honest the chasidim in Russia weren’t known to have the cleanest mouths…

nevel
Reply to  Mesoireh
March 1, 2022 12:52 am

we call it “nevel peh”!

Not an ostrich
Reply to  nevel
March 1, 2022 2:24 am

I was thinking this the entire time, Chassidim always said things how they are, but my friend Nevel beat me to it. It seems like you have recently taken your head out of the sand and might be slightly insulted. It’s okay and natural; we’re going to be chassidim anyway.

Confounding
Reply to  Not an ostrich
March 1, 2022 8:41 am

Please clarify: how is saying things as they are equivalent to saying things using expletives?

Not quite
Reply to  Not an ostrich
March 1, 2022 8:44 am

Even their nivul peh was eidel! They said things like “putz” vikadoimeh. Not the foul filth that even teenagers are saying these days

Life is not a Choo Choo train
Reply to  Not quite
March 1, 2022 9:46 am

Not using the F word simply because you don’t speak English has nothing to do with Eidelkeit. Sorry bud.

There are equivalents in other languages
Reply to  Life is not a Choo Choo train
March 1, 2022 1:10 pm

You know that, right? Now, can you find an example of one of those eltere chassidim using them?

Do you speak Yiddish?
Reply to  Not quite
March 1, 2022 3:24 pm

Please ask your mashpia what putz means. And if he doesn’t know, ask your bubby.

Reb yoel
Reply to  Mesoireh
March 1, 2022 10:57 am

Reb yoel once explained the difference between nivul Peh from a chossid back then like Zalman Moshe who had a message to bring out, and today’s garbage.

With all due respect
Reply to  Mesoireh
March 2, 2022 1:51 am

While I agree that words are powerful and it is important to use clean/refined/ Tznius language, I would just like to mention that the power of words continues even beyond clean speech. I can’t even begin to tell you just how many teachers in high schools and seminaries talk in a derogatory tone about other Yidden, not Lubavitchers. It’s embarrassing to remember Rabbis making demeaning jokes about people who go to therapy or believe in psychology. It’s heartbreaking that when the educators of our community want to get a point across, they choose the least sensitive path instead of using… Read more »

The Real Problem Has Emerged
February 28, 2022 11:44 pm

It seems the real problem that has “recently reared it’s ugly head” is the new “trend” of every slightly disgruntled community member feeling the need to write long op-eds decrying the “falling standards” or “shocking developments” in the community.

If you really cared to engage with the younger segments of the community whom you are so scared of falling to lower standards, you certainly wouldn’t have nivul peh at the top of your list for problems that need solving.

These type of criticisms indicate a latent holier-than-thou mentality, a desire to”keep up appearances”, not a genuine desire to solve anything.

Truly Shocked
Reply to  The Real Problem Has Emerged
March 1, 2022 3:19 am

It’s mind numbing to read such an ugly response to such a well meaning and truthful op-Ed. in fact it’s exactly this type of attitude and mentality that the author is referring too in what state of insensitivity some of the general oilam have descended into as a result of losing the inherent eidelkeit in their speech. As chasidim we are so well in touch with and aware that what mainly differentiates human beings from animals is the power of speech and therefore it is perfectly reasonable that the fundamental difference between us as yidden to the rest of humanity… Read more »

Anonymous
Reply to  Truly Shocked
March 1, 2022 4:35 pm

And why not take the time to to understand where the commenter is coming instead of ridiculing then and perpetuating the same cycle you say you want to avoid

its something
Reply to  The Real Problem Has Emerged
March 1, 2022 3:34 am

though its definitely a start, as it can reflect/impact lots of other issues

Why bash someone who is doing good
Reply to  The Real Problem Has Emerged
March 1, 2022 7:19 am

I think what we have is a very caring community member who is trying to help us with one of the easier things we can do to improve ourselves. There is no question psychologically speaking that the language we use affects us. So even though it is common in everyone does it it is certainly something to try to work against. As a matter of fact, I can only admit because this is anonymous that yesterday I was so distraught over something that when speaking to one of the rabbonim in the shchuna I did drop a few foul words… Read more »

Appearance vs Self Respect
Reply to  The Real Problem Has Emerged
March 1, 2022 8:50 am

As someone who is no longer frum, I find that being particularly careful about language is very important. Yes there are other community issues, however, fixing one does not negate the other. Using poor language lends to an angry, lackadaisical personality shift which in turn leads to poor lifestyle choices and difficulty making changes in other aspects of life or sometimes even getting the help that is needed. This has been my observation with many people in both higher and lower class society. Those who use expletives more frequently are less grateful, less happy and more angry. It is a… Read more »

Totally agree
February 28, 2022 11:45 pm

The issue is people or I’m sorry to have to write: yidden are becoming more and more heartless due to chinuch from a parent and thus the need for frustration to be released comes out due to so much negativity stocked up within a person instead of fixing their faults. Lately I’ve been hearing so much “gehanom” word that its totally uncalled for, for even parents to express it and children/teens/adults hear it, go through life experiences with it and begin to express it. It all started with: 1 parent!

Thank you for covering up
February 28, 2022 11:46 pm

Masks matter

You’re behind the times
Reply to  Thank you for covering up
March 1, 2022 7:48 am

The (political) science has determined that masks aren’t necessary, and indeed never were.

Well written and important point
February 28, 2022 11:47 pm

Thank you for bringing up this important issue! I am shocked to hear the language of some my 12 year olds friends! Something need to change

Wow
Reply to  Well written and important point
March 1, 2022 11:27 am

Your comment can be interpreted differently according to your age

Reality check
February 28, 2022 11:47 pm

If you think anash of yesteryear were not prone to drop some less than flattering terms at a Farbrengen boy have I got news for you

Why bash someone who is doing good
Reply to  Reality check
March 1, 2022 7:22 am

We are supposed to learn from them. Both follow in the positive things they did and also to learn that some things are just not becoming of a chossid and we should not do them.

Exactly!
Reply to  Reality check
March 1, 2022 7:27 am

I’m a shliach too!

Education is key
February 28, 2022 11:49 pm

We trained our children from an early age that not all the words they hear at home should be repeated outside the house.

seriously!?
Reply to  Education is key
March 1, 2022 1:10 am

i can use some of the words referred to in this article on you, but i will hold myself back… its because of people like yourself that our children are being “educated” in things ADULTS don’t speak about! why are they hearing these words at home exactly? being “chabad lite” (more like, chabad dark, or חב”ד ליידט פון זיי!), is not an excuse to corrupt your kids, let alone other’s, maybe its about time to move out of crown heights to a place where clean language, beards, tznius, and all our other chassidic (more like basic frum) values are optional,… Read more »

Pardon?
Reply to  seriously!?
March 1, 2022 7:23 am

So you publicly disparage other Yidden let alone Chabad Chasidim and that’s OK?

When did the judgement committee get its marching orders to categorize people as Chabad light or Chabad dark or whatever?

Are you the one who issues Chabad membership cards?

You are correct, however, that this starts at home.

Why are you so naive
Reply to  seriously!?
March 1, 2022 8:12 am

The comment you responded to is CLEARLY a joke

Or...
Reply to  Education is key
March 1, 2022 7:47 am

You don’t use them at home to begin with

Lol
Reply to  Education is key
March 1, 2022 11:16 am

I agree 100%

Anonymous
Reply to  Education is key
March 1, 2022 4:40 pm

Lol funniest comment

Look at yourself
Reply to  Education is key
March 4, 2022 2:10 am

Clean up your language and your children wont hear it to begin with. Thats a really messed up mindset.

Very well written
February 28, 2022 11:52 pm

Beautiful prose and very convincing.

Fact Check
February 28, 2022 11:57 pm

The rebbe didn’t coin the term special needs. The Rebbe introduced the term “special”.

thank you
March 1, 2022 12:02 am

i was in a bad crash recently, and mouthed a expletive in front of a bunch of kids. I kind of pushed it out of my mind, i was to embarrassed to think about it. This was the reminder i needed to work on it, thank you!

Stay safe
Reply to  thank you
March 1, 2022 7:28 am

Also be mindful of your safety, especially if you’re driving with kids.

Agree 100%
March 1, 2022 12:28 am

Even secular well educated people refrain. Kal v chomer so should we. Lubavitcher Chassidim. It really lowers a person.

Pardon?
Reply to  Agree 100%
March 1, 2022 7:18 am

The secular well educated people I’ve encountered tend to be liberal and have some of the most filthy language one can imagine.

Thank you
March 1, 2022 12:43 am

It’s almost like being addicted to a drug. For some it’s become a habit that very difficult to break. Also environmental influences can make it hard to stop & change. Alas it might have gone on already far too long. Hashem Y’rachem.

Since when
March 1, 2022 1:00 am

Did we become the mussar movement.
Enough with all the tochacho.

Since when
Reply to  Since when
March 1, 2022 7:32 am

Since when did mussar become a bad word?

It’s really not mutually exclusive with Chabad.

And I’d suggest you listen to some farbrengens of olde, that’ll give you a nice dosage of well needed mussar.

Wow
Reply to  Since when
March 1, 2022 11:29 am

You’re both wrong
Nobody needs a good dose of Mussar
Be kind
And this isn’t mussar it’s just written in a language that’s not making you feel good about yourself
True rebbeim didn’t always write rosy and nice things that you live hearing but that doesn’t compare to mussar

Ahavas Yisroel
Reply to  Since when
March 1, 2022 1:28 pm

You’re overflowing with it

Oh baby!
March 1, 2022 1:08 am

Another exciting op-ed on COL! Bochurim, do your thing

100% correct
March 1, 2022 1:09 am

we need to fix this!

Dial
March 1, 2022 1:10 am

Liquid soap is the tried and true way to ensure clean mouths in my house

Wisdom
Reply to  Dial
March 1, 2022 4:29 am

Also an effective way to traumatise your children, gifting them terrible memories of you and leaving lasting resentment.

I’m sure the Rebbe would have encouraged forcing a foul substance into the mouth a child.

Mendy
Reply to  Dial
March 1, 2022 8:58 am

Enjoy the soup, I hope your kids turn out frum with that method!

Real and True
Reply to  Mendy
March 1, 2022 12:29 pm

I can attest that this method works

Wow
Reply to  Dial
March 1, 2022 11:30 am

You should soap your mouth after writing this

A rebbi
Reply to  Dial
March 1, 2022 5:57 pm

Liquid soap is the reason that the current generation uses foul language to begin with. They were never educated why not to use foul they just had their mouths washed with soap, given fines, and punished for using foul language instead of being educated on why it’s harmful.

A typical crown hights mother (not a bochur)
March 1, 2022 1:13 am

You are absolutely right, it is such a shande and a chillul hashem. I can’t even

Oh cr** my supper is about to burn, bye

Lol
Reply to  A typical crown hights mother (not a bochur)
March 1, 2022 6:58 pm

By far the best comment

Classic crown heights mother (not the mushroom)
Reply to  A typical crown hights mother (not a bochur)
March 3, 2022 5:00 am

So true! We NEED Moshiach!!

P.s. I was shocked and dismayed to learn that there were people parading around under my name…ואני מוחה ברבים כי נבלה עשה בישראל וכן לא יעשה!!
Signing off,
C.C.H.M.

From a girl
Reply to  A typical crown hights mother (not a bochur)
March 7, 2022 8:53 pm

Lollll…good comment to lighten the mood.

Is this a joke?
March 1, 2022 2:00 am

We might experience a nuclear Holocaust and you’re freaking out about people SWEARING?! Get your priorities straight dude. And science has shown that people who swear efficiently in the correct scenarios are more likely to have higher IQ’s, especially in language-based areas.

As a Yid
Reply to  Is this a joke?
March 1, 2022 7:51 am

you should be aware that ruchniyus affects gashmiyus. You’re worried about a nuclear holocaust? Then work on that in the way that a Yid does, by increasing in Torah and mitzvos.

FYI
Reply to  Is this a joke?
March 1, 2022 8:37 am

Purposely swearing doesn’t make you smarter, I hope you know that.
Smart people tend to swear more. Just helping out

Fire
Reply to  FYI
March 1, 2022 1:55 pm

This is the kind of real education we need

Read it Again.
Reply to  Is this a joke?
March 1, 2022 9:08 am

If speaking Holy has the below affect, just imagine what speaking toxic can affect. HaYom Yom Tevet 11 5703 Man’s life is dependent on the air around him. Without air he cannot live and the quality of life is dependent on the quality of air. In an atmosphere of Torah and mitzvot there is healthy life. In a G‑dless environment life is diseased, and one is constantly threatened with the possibility of being stricken with contagious maladies. The first general step in healing is to purify the atmosphere. Purification of the air is the task of every person familiar with… Read more »

Fact check
Reply to  Is this a joke?
March 1, 2022 11:23 am

Hashem is not going to destroy the world again. Maybe remember to say the bracha next time you see a rainbow.

It’s brought down
Reply to  Fact check
March 1, 2022 12:51 pm

Hashem will not destroy his creations again by a flood. That still leaves a very horrific option of which the world has become only very much more too capable of. Don’t be so complacent the situation is extremely serious.

False info
Reply to  Is this a joke?
March 1, 2022 12:31 pm

You say that smarter people curse, I want a study or statistics of how many people curse. From what I see most people curse meaning that this study is not done correctly

Well...
Reply to  Is this a joke?
March 4, 2022 3:49 pm

The gemara in shabbos says that destruction comes to the world because of people that are מנוול פה and those who stand by silently

Words can build or H"V the opposite
March 1, 2022 2:52 am

This beautiful world was created with holy words,let’s continue building…no time for distractions
Ein Oid Milvadoi

We're going backwards
March 1, 2022 4:45 am

Instead of being mechazek the community with words of encouragement, you chose a backwards path. While the world burns, you’re worried about nivul peh. Don’t forget, most buchrim who are using such expletives heard it first in yeshiva. Oftentimes by mechanchim, menahalim, rabonim and mashpi’im (who think it’s cool to curse among buchrim to obtain social worth and create a sense of friendship). So before you preach about our degradation, take a look at our broken system. Bsurois Toivos!

Huh
Reply to  We're going backwards
March 1, 2022 10:44 am

Listen to yourself. “Instead of being mechazek the community”… you’re putting down its educators.

Wow
Reply to  We're going backwards
March 1, 2022 11:31 am

Facts

Your thinking backwards
Reply to  We're going backwards
March 1, 2022 2:01 pm

You think the world started burning last week ?
It’s been burning for years y’all are just blinded by your “American chocolatniker” life style’s so you’ve never seen it

Well said!
March 1, 2022 7:15 am

I agree with you 100%. However, part of the problem is the world we live in. I was recently talking to an autistic teenager who used some foul language and when I told him I was surprised to hear that from him he told me what the dictionary said about it. The definition was “used to emphasize or express annoyance with someone or something” (although it did say vulgar expression). This means we have to work at least double as hard on the problem because we even have decent society to fight against. Yes, like you said, we are yidden… Read more »

Anonymous
Reply to  Well said!
March 1, 2022 4:45 pm

What’s wrong if these words get used out and lose their power and meaning?

Camp
March 1, 2022 7:25 am

In camp thats where all the vulgar language starts immature bochurim and fried kids later become yungerlite and the rest is history…

Just wondering
Reply to  Camp
March 1, 2022 2:03 pm

Air fried or deep fried

Anonymous
Reply to  Camp
March 1, 2022 4:45 pm

Who starts it?

Funny story
March 1, 2022 7:26 am

Well I usually keep my language clean, occasionally something will slip.
Last week I was sending an email and using voice to text to type it up. I used one of the less serious foul words and the voice to text put in the first letter of the word and then a bunch of asterisks. If even voice to text has the brains not to be vulgar, we probably should too.

Anonymous
Reply to  Funny story
March 1, 2022 4:46 pm

It’s a setting on your phone lol it can be turned off

Sensitivity, please!
March 1, 2022 7:29 am

Beautifully written article. The author clearly mentions it’s not an earth shattering flaw – simply something to keep in mind and work on upping our standards of speech. While we’re on the topic, it’s high time with all the many fatherless r’l children in our community to STOP CALLING an evening of learning אבות ובנים – Father/Son. Yes, the little boy who can’t bring his father can bring an uncle/grandfather/older brother. Why rub his issue in his face? It’s meant to be a pleasant learning evening for ALL boys and adult males – be sensitive and call it that!! Remember… Read more »

Heard it on the Bus!
March 1, 2022 7:29 am

A parent comes into the school for parent-teacher conferences. First item they plan to mention is how is the school subjecting their dear child to such language; after all, they must have learned that in school–couldn’t be at home.

Yet the teacher has the same concerns–how is that household allowing the child to use such language? After all, they couldn’t possibly have learned such words in the classroom!

The parent denies allowing such language at home; the teacher denies allowing such language at school.

The conclusion: “They must have heard it on the bus…”

If you curse freely I don't bring my kids near you
March 1, 2022 7:31 am

This is my rule. I’ve made it very clear every to immediate family members and followed through on it. When children see its acceptable they copy. Protect your children as best you can to grow up with clean minds and mouths. There are ways to voice your frustration in a polite and clean way. Learn social emotional awareness and how to get rid if your mad in a non vulgar way. Hatzlacha to everyone who struggles with this. Thank you for the reminder! Something every human ca be reminded especially in difficult times!

Wow

Every yid has something to learn from them and your children should be aware of that just saying

Rabbosai, Excuse My Yiddish
March 1, 2022 7:56 am

“If you can’t say anything nice, say it in Yiddish”

Anonymous
Reply to  Rabbosai, Excuse My Yiddish
March 1, 2022 4:46 pm

So true

teen
March 1, 2022 8:16 am

what do u expect us to do when all the people we’re supposed to look up to talk like that?

Please say it again
Reply to  teen
March 1, 2022 10:38 am

The adults cant hear you, please repeat that comment to them again! most realistic comment how this negativity gets passed down to the next generation and then they complain, “why?????”!👍for expressing it!👏👏👏

Anonymous
Reply to  Please say it again
March 1, 2022 4:47 pm

Exactly blame the source fix the problem there

repeat
Reply to  Please say it again
March 1, 2022 7:28 pm

what do u expect us to do when all the people we’re supposed to look up to talk like that?

 

dear teen
Reply to  teen
March 1, 2022 6:40 pm

I feel your pain but your obviously looking up to the wrong ppl. someone who speaks nivel pe should not be a role model or looked up to in any way shape or form.
-a great role model and mashpia

Teen girl
Reply to  teen
March 7, 2022 8:57 pm

Yes! We all use this language because we hear it from adults. But when we use it, it’s extremely bad. Doesn’t make sense why.

As a wife
March 1, 2022 8:46 am

I can tell you. Everytime my spouse says nivel peh I respect him less.

Heartbreaking
Reply to  As a wife
March 1, 2022 12:23 pm

I hope you and your husband can have a conversation about this. Either spouse losing respect needs to be addressed!

Anonymous
Reply to  As a wife
March 1, 2022 4:48 pm

There may be more issues present here then bad language

Seems like your looking for reasons to lose respect

Externals
March 1, 2022 8:47 am

Are you suggesting that years of emphasizing the way you look over whats on the inside in our education systems resulted in people not feeling the need to be careful with their words? Shocking. We definitely need curriculum and policy changes in yeshivas to accomplish what you’re speaking about.

Way to miss the point
Reply to  Externals
March 1, 2022 11:02 am

Just reread the last few paragraphs, I beg you!

Mendy
March 1, 2022 9:00 am

At least it’s bad words and not a Alcoholic or drug addiction! It’s from the better things. Wow! Really some narrow minded people here!

Two wrongs don't make a right
Reply to  Mendy
March 1, 2022 11:26 am

They can both be worked on. If someone suffers from alcohol or drug addiction, they should seek therapy. That is not to say that because one doesn’t suffer an addiction to either of the aforementioned substances, they need not work to be a better person.

Peh Noki
March 1, 2022 10:09 am

The Frierdiker Rebbe asks three things from a Talmid 1) Shkeedah 2) Ahavas Reim and 3) Peh Noki
ספר השיחות תש”ג 120

other forms of nivel peh
March 1, 2022 10:43 am

What about loshon hara? What about being critical of others?

There are other forms of nivel peh that must be addressed.
Arguably these are worse.

What's sad is
March 1, 2022 10:46 am

Bilaam couldn’t even curse us. But today goyim and even BETWEEN US, its being done! For shame! (Btw who even knows what shame is today?! Oh but low, they know) yidden became THAT LOW?!

Anonymous
Reply to  What's sad is
March 1, 2022 11:49 pm

Different kind of curse

Ch’er
March 1, 2022 10:52 am

If you’re involved in learning nigle & chasidus. Regularly. You won’t swear. You’ll feel close to Hashem. Kovea itim. Basics of Judaism. Even if 15 mins. Need to learn without interruption. Try it. You’ll see. Your brain starts working differently.

Amar Abaye…. Let’s go.

Thank you
March 1, 2022 11:08 am

This is long overdue

Okay
March 1, 2022 11:33 am

Why the racist title of excuse my French am I the only confused one here. It’s clickbait on the expense of subconsciously permeating the never ending stigma of French. It’s also a polite language like EVERY other language
Thank you

This should be dealt with offline by mashpiim
March 1, 2022 11:34 am

If we would emulate The Rebbe in pnimius as well as chitzoniyusdike things we would never have to have a “discussion” like this.

Can’t believe it
March 1, 2022 12:25 pm

French is a beautiful language, how dare you slander it. The audacity!

Eltere chassidims language
March 1, 2022 1:04 pm

They say a story of a guy who bought a new couch but he could not bring it through the front door, it was too big so he smashed a window to get it in. chassidim used to say this story to explain someone using nivul peh to get a point across, but to go around smashing windows is totally different.

So self righteous
March 1, 2022 1:12 pm

Yet another blow-hard trying to control people.
What we actually need more of is, less judgement, more leadership by example, and reaching out to the needs of people.
The rest will certainly follow.
Today’s Tanya “לב” portion, is very apropos.
ph

I didn’t read the article .
March 1, 2022 2:43 pm

What did it say plz ?

Keeping busy
March 1, 2022 2:44 pm

They say of your bored that can lead to bad things.
I guess there always a bright side in everything in life then, between the war in Ukraine and these op ed’s, we have never been more occupied.
So thank thank you to the brave men and women that keep having interesting things to write about. Y’all are heroes

Amen
March 1, 2022 3:15 pm

BSD
As is stated in liqutei eitzot: “obscene speech gives wings to the primordial serpent. It flies through the world wreaking havoc.”
The only way I see to combat this is to increase in the verbal learning of the holy torah and the wondrous mysticism of our great sages. For speech is derived from the divine aspect of GeVURaH so it takes a great deal of sublime articulation to sweeten the severities via the divine aspect of CHeSeD.
With blessings and guidance from our great sages
NNNNM

i agree
March 1, 2022 3:17 pm

i was a staff member for two years in a mainstream overnight camp, once a camper of mine cursed so i called him over and asked him “why would you even say such a word if you yourself know that it is a bad word?” his response? “well my dad says it all the time” i personally as a camper learned all the bad words in camp… in this camp i was a staff in, kids as little as 8 year old are cursing freely. besides for cursing they also know a lot of jokes and line related to inyanim… Read more »

Is this a Purim Torah?
March 1, 2022 7:24 pm

Asking for a friend

Late in shul
March 1, 2022 8:44 pm

It’s all because the fathers stay late in shul and come home late on shabbos afternoon

Only After
Reply to  Late in shul
March 1, 2022 10:19 pm

Only after overhearing conversations on Kingston Ave.

Stop defending shortcomings
March 1, 2022 10:29 pm

To the young commenter whose immediate defense of foul language was ‘We have bigger problems that need to be taken care of.’ Yes, we have bigger problems, but why is that an excuse to contribute to the “smaller” problems? And who says uncouth and vulgar language is such a “small” problem anyway? It’s one “small” step closer to yucky, uncouth behavior; deny the fact who can.

Action not words
March 1, 2022 11:53 pm

Meg men zein uber redden tur men nisht? While I appreciate the concern of the author, I’d rather focus on changing the behavior of all of us. Action speaks louder than words. And yes, there are times when we need to speak the truth without sugar coating it. Yakeh Yose es Yose. The harsh words and nivul peh can penetrate into people who act like menuvalim and the message resignates better. There is a reason why the psychologists encourage it. Because it allows us to express ourselves. Please don’t silence our voices and feelings, in the name of Judiasm. I’ve… Read more »

I'm back
March 2, 2022 12:22 am

The other day I was walking down Kingston Ave, and got stuck behind 2 girls and couldn’t overtake. It was on that annoying block between Crown and Carroll with no space to pass. B’kitzur I was privy to their conversation. I was shocked to hear the way they were talking about husbands that stay in 770 until 2PM on shabbos to farbreng. The vulgar language and nivul peh they used to describe them, was utterly horrific. I’m calling on our entire community, teachers and principals to teach the girls that their husbands need to farbreng on shabbos day, and ITS… Read more »

That is true
March 2, 2022 1:32 am

But if you look in the sicha of Parshas Noach, the Rebbementions that the Torah speaks in a refined way, with a story, when stating what halacha is, the Torah, uses the word Tameh so nobody gets confused. Also there are many expressions of frustration in the Torah, for example Rivka Imenu said ” I am disgusted with my life ( if yakov intermarries) the modern “slang” being fml. Also Shaul hamelech told called his son “son of a rebellious women” and the gemara does mention a bad person is called a dog by people, so there is some source… Read more »

Alternative
March 2, 2022 4:37 am

If you’d like to say something foul (no matter how bad) while still keeping your “aidelkeit”, stick to the old rule they used in the “alter yoren” which said ” say it in Yiddish and it’ll sound chassidish”

YETH
Reply to  Alternative
March 2, 2022 9:46 pm

a staff member in one of the main chabad camps was saying bad words in yiddish to kids- later we gave him mouthwash but thats besides the point

Fax
March 4, 2022 4:32 pm

I was once walking up Kingston and some guy that looked like a Russian Chassid nearly ran over a kid and his father. The father started cursing him out in front of his kid, and the kid was smiling. He had no idea what those words meant. He was only 6 years old! But yet he saw the power in those words; he nearly got hurt c”v, and now he sees that if his father, a role model, says these words to somebody and it invokes control and power, he will likely do the same… (I’m not one to judge… Read more »

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