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Rabbi Wants Conversions Halt

British Chabad Rabbi Yitzchak Schochet suggests a radical solution to the increasing conflict over converts. Full Story

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Geirim k'sapachas
April 21, 2010 10:11 pm

If you will read through Tosafos on this quote (from Kiddushin, incidentally) you will find that they bring five conflicting views of Rishonim on this amira, including one (of Rabbi Avraham ha-Ger) to the effect that converts bring punishment on Israel because of their HIGHER standard of observance (which shows up the born-Jewish population). They also raise the possibility that converts bring punishment on the Jewish people because of the many times in the Chumash we are warned against causing them pain – and the fact that we fail to keep this very important commandment.

To 16
February 12, 2010 3:20 am

I don’t agree with Shochet’s position but the sources he quotes are accurate. The gemarah demonstrates (and cited lihalacha) that there is a precedent to abolishing geirus because of overriding circumstances. When you consider the reason for giyur (veahavta lireacha komoicho or Viahavta es Hashem – do your research) then neither of these reasons fall in line with what is happening in the world today. It is a fact the Rebbe quoted the Gemarah as well about the gairus being a sapachas…and if you look in toisfois there you will see it could also be because they keep the mitzvois… Read more »

Shliach who's descended from geyirim
February 11, 2010 4:24 am

And what would you say Rabbi Schochet if I told you that I am b”h a successful shliach in the country in which you live, making a postive diffrence to many people’s life- including people you know b”h, helping them grow and do the right thing, etc. raising b”h my own chassidishe children who I hope will one day be on shlichus and continue to make a positive difference in the lives of others they meet, However if your statement would have been made 50-60 years I would not be around today, my family and children would not be around,… Read more »

agree with # 2 and #7
February 11, 2010 2:13 am

Just fyi, the reason why conversions were not allowed during the times of Dovid and Shlomo Hamelech and why it won’t be allowed when Moshiach comes has nothing to so with problematic conversions and is because then of course all goyim would want to be yidden during the “Golden Age of the Jews” therefore it’s not a proper geirus. And he forgot to quote the rest of the gemara in yevamos- the only reason why “converts are a bane to the Jewish people”- and this is certainly not true in every geirus case is because sometimes they may stick to… Read more »

Dont agree with #5 and # 14
February 10, 2010 6:14 am

Number 5 and 14 what a chulill Hashem. Who are you to say who is shomer and who is not, stop speaking loshan haroh about your fellow jews. If they converted B”H, its halacha. This is not about converts this is about Rabbis who dont agree with eachother and never will.

#5 i agree with you.
February 9, 2010 1:12 pm

I have personally met an orthodox chasidishe person. that claims to be a rabbi and does conversions for 10k-15k(depending on how rich the future father in law is), I am all for every yid to have a parnosa, but please don’t sacrifice the Jewish nation. This is why I don’t trust “orthodox conversions”. I know you will say every rabbi is not the same. in my shull it’s a case after case of converts from different “orthodox and modern orthodox rabbis” who are not shomer shabbos and/or are not shomer torah umitzvos. or converted to be able to get married,… Read more »

To no 12
February 6, 2010 8:52 pm

The problem is that they will convert under their Chabad rabbi or local American rabbi and when they meet that Israeli girl from Beni Brak the Bes Din there says “no!” So now what?

disagree
February 6, 2010 3:45 pm

I’m suprised at the suggestion that all conversions must be halted. There are sincere people who truly want to become Jewish, and it is unfair to deprive them.

The Rebbe said
February 5, 2010 10:16 am

Why we are at it why dont we get rid of all the Jews who are Jews by birth but dont follow halacha. That push on shabbos and break their Yom Kipper fast at sizzler. And when a Ger approached the Rebbe and stated that she had converted the Rebbe stated You are as I am now. And just because we are Jews by birth we must be an example to the Jew by choice and help them in their growth in Yiddishkite.

The Rebbe On Conversions
February 5, 2010 3:56 am

The Rebbe always insisted that shluchim should not involve themselves at all in conversions! Moreover there is a printed dialogue where the Rebbe was discussing conversions with Hilel students and when asked about it the Rebbe said that there was enough to do in encouraging Jews to be good Jews and for gentiles to be good gentiles. The Rebbe also quoted the Gemarah about them being kisapachas (leaporsy).

And if we are living in Moshiach’s times and there will be no conversion in Moshiach’s times then hey – the rabbi is onto something.

READ BETWEEN THE LINES
February 5, 2010 3:52 am

I’m not convinced about what the Rabbi says because as much as it makes sense (and even halachically if you know your hilchois geirus) I don’t know that it will ever work. You are right that you have a paramount obligation to treat a Ger like any Jew as part of Ahavas Yisroel. You are right that ONCE YOU START the process you have to see it through. The suggestion by Rabbi Shochet is that you shouldn’t start the process in the first place. Never before has there been a case where one Bes Din pasled another Bes Din’s giyur.… Read more »

To #5 You don't know what you are talking about
February 5, 2010 12:09 am

Any Rabbi who does in fact deal with giyur in a serious manner can point to gairim who are from the best of the best. A tiny example: to them EVERY davening is with kavanah. They after all have volunteered to speak to G-d three times a day! They have no desire to opt out. They have been on the other side and it repulses them. I could go on and on. I say this, obviously because I know several such gairim, and I am fortunate to have them in my circle of friends. Someone with strong attitudes without knowing… Read more »

read your bible son
February 4, 2010 5:00 pm

to number 5: start doing chitas again instead of wasting time reading tabloids about ivanka trump. you will find in the bible many times how you should treat a ger. The Author of the bible was well aware of the possiblity of defecting converts. in fact, there were many of them prior to the giving of the torah.
Still, G-d, who determines Jewish law, not your xenophobic judgmental perspective, states that you must treat the ger even better than you treat an average person. “Remember that you were a ger in the land of Egypt!” Sound familar?

#5 Halachicly correct
February 4, 2010 12:07 pm

Halacha says otherwise about how to relate to converts.

i agree 100%
February 4, 2010 7:01 am

conversions have become ridiculous. i’ve met dozens (and i DO mean dozens) of converts who do not keep a single mitzvah but were converted orthodox. ivanka trump converted orthodox- this is a shanda. why are there pictures of her after the conversion in horribly untznius dress? conversions are a business and a fallacy. i do not trust any convert i meet nor would i allow my children to marry into them not because i dont like them or believe in their sincerity but because the laws of the torah to convert them are not properly applied thus in my eyes… Read more »

Well, thanks alot!!
February 4, 2010 6:41 am

As a “ger-in-progress”, for the past 26 months I have been studying and preparing for my transition. Many gerim are going through the same journey towards becoming Yidden. It is a long journey – that is the reality. No one can become a ger “overnight”. How dare this rabbi suggest that this long road on which we gerim are traveling, must come to an abrubt end? That suggestion can only be made without being in touch with reality. This suggestion is simply “throwing out the baby with the bathwater” – if there is a problem with the various Beth Din,… Read more »

a purim joke?
February 4, 2010 6:00 am

The Schochet’s are known to have a great sense of humor, but this one takes the cake!
If it was not meant as a joke, it is one of the most absurd things i have read in a long time.
The problem he is addressing is going on for thousands of years and never was it suggested to stop conversions except in the times of Dovid and Shlomo.
I continue to hope that his is a Purim joke or maybe mere rhetoric.

Rabbi Yeheskel Lebovic
February 4, 2010 5:54 am

If there currently is no arbiter to establish and enforce uniform halachic standards for conversion, wherefrom ( even amongst orthodox circles) will come the power and authority to impose a total cessation (even if temporary) of conversions? and if “some” exceptions will be made, who and how will the line be drawn?

number 1
February 4, 2010 5:39 am

a bnei noach can be a part of the jewish community in their own framework and education and their own meeting places without compromising on the integrity of the jewish community

though the fault is alot of jewish people today who will not take a stance and do what is neccesary bc it requires one thing that is missing jewish leadership

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