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    R’ Osdoba Boycotting ‘Hachtara’

    Crown Heights Rabbi Avrohom Osdoba told COLlive.com he's boycotting the "hachtara" of Rabbi Yossi Braun and called on residents to do the same. Full Story, Letters

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    Solution
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    Solution

    How about this solution:

    Both Rabbi Braun and Rabbi Bogmilsky are put on the Bais Din, and then there is an election for a fifth Rov.

    The reason is simple:

    CH is a large and very diverse community, with a lot of complex issues as is well known. Maybe a border Bais Din, with better representation of all the different the people etc. in the community might stop all the grid lock, things wont be so narrow and dysfunctional in the Bais Din, and people will feel that there is more openness and space in the Bais Din.

    hmm what should i do?
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    hmm what should i do?

    with all the tragedies in the lubavitch ‘family’ i would go davka to say “listen here Rabbi Osdeba, put achdus first on the list”

    you either have semicha or you don't SIMPLE
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    you either have semicha or you don't SIMPLE
    Advice
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    Advice

    Instead of writing in vain to Rabbi Rosenberg, it is much easier to ask 3 or 4 of the other Rabbonim of the Zabla Bais Din to either support or annul the psak of Rabbi Rosenberg, so we can have clarity.

    Is someone scared here???

    GAME OVER
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    GAME OVER

    And just as they were going to save Crown Heights…this is the end. Only Moshiach can save us now. How utterly sad.

    POSTING THIS COMMENT ON SHABBOS
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    POSTING THIS COMMENT ON SHABBOS

    I don’t have respect for Rabbonim anymore so why respect what they represent? I am posting this on Shabbos in order to demonstrate my protest at what effect the Rabbonim of the “Rebbe’s shechunah” are having on people…

    OK not really. Shabbos is out where I am. But the Rabbonim and others ought to consider the chilul Hashem being generated and the impact that will likely have on some people who will indeed say “a plague on all your houses,” and jump ship.

    You can stop this and you can stop this now!

    Shameful
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    Shameful

    Thats why democracy does not work in CH and Africa. If you don’t like the election results just ignore them

    Despair
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    Despair

    Here we go again. Machlokes, Machlkes and more Machlokes. Now I’m hopeless. CH will never enjoy peace. After that, how can we sincerely poclaim “We Want Moshiach Now” while we’re fighting each other? We lost our credibility. The conclusion is that we have much love for outsiders and non religious Jews, but when it comes to achdus within our own rank, where are you? We are the laughingstock of the whole religious world. We are a subject of ridicule. All this pain me a lot. I was confident that with that election, finally we will achieve peace and achdus, but… Read more »

    Not Acceptable!
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    Not Acceptable!

    I don’t live in Crown Heights but I am beginning to understand why it is in this situation. It is wholly inappropriate to have a Rov saying that it is ok to blatantly disregard a Pesak Din from a Zablo Beis Din which was brought in to bring peace and harmony to the community! The Drisha Vchakira is done prior to a Pesak Din not after! The Zabla Beis Din were happy to have Rabbi Braun run as a candidate. The Crown Heights community were happy to vote for him. There are five members of this Zabla Beis Din. If… Read more »

    poor
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    poor

    Someone previousy pcommented the following (in the artcile that interviewed Zaki): “Why would it even be a question if Rabbi Osdoba will attend the Hachtara. I think that brining it up is a disgrace. By saying that, you make it clear that it’s not beyond reason to have expected that a Rav would even POSSIBLY not listen to his verdict and Psak Din? For Example: Would it have been appropriate to say that “the Rav agreed to eat only kosher” Anyone who says so is insulting the Rav by insinuating that may he may very well have considered a different… Read more »

    Nachum
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    Nachum

    Rabbi Ozdaba is right at 100 percent
    I suggest that local residents will not go there
    So
    Only Yankele Chazan and Shmulik Kraus
    Destroying our own neighborhood will be there

    And – why 770???

    If you do the event in East New York will not be there more than ten people

    if r. braun is wise...
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    if r. braun is wise...

    if r. braun is wise he shouldnt accept the Rabonus position without both rabonim’s attendance and approval. this is my suggestion to Rav Braun Shlit”a – with all the respect and humility. a gute voch. celebrating 60 years of leadership.

    Din Torah
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    Din Torah

    so if you lose a din torah you dont have to listen…..

    Back to square one
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    Back to square one

    Disband the beis din and start again. Enough is enough

    how?!?!?
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    how?!?!?

    HOW CAN A ROV DO THIS TO A COMMUNITY???

    crying over spilt milk
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    crying over spilt milk

    Do not for one moment say you do not have a grudge against him??

    I as a sydney resident believe R braun has smich and shimush… more than any of the other rabonim in Sydney who would find it pretty hard to locate the Maharsho.

    However all the people declaring that these issues are the sticking point would have found faults against his election even if they believed he had these things as well

    to # 13: yes! but
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    to # 13: yes! but

    yes! if you loose you dont have to listen if you think it contradicts halacha.

    Zabla
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    Zabla

    Rabbi Ozdoba and Rabbi Schwei both signed a document that they would obay the outcome of Rav Rosenbrg’s psak din!
    so what now?

    good example
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    good example

    What are we teaching our youth? if you don’t like a psak din, just shop for some other Rabbonim who agree with you?

    No Machloikes
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    No Machloikes

    Rabbi Osdoba and Rabbi Schwei signed Zablo accepting the Ruling of the Beth Din headed by Rabbi Rosenberg.

    Rabbi Rosenberg in the name of the Beth Din says that the elections were valid.

    So let us follow the ruling. stop all Machloikes.

    bad lesson for our youth
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    bad lesson for our youth

    bad lesson for our youth.

    if you lose a Din Torah you do not have to listen!

    No Smicha no Rav
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    No Smicha no Rav

    Its all very very very simple. Y Braun doesn’t have Smicha, Rabbi Rosenberg says it doesn’t matter because Lubavitcher Smicha is garbage anyway, so why not appoint Braun as Rov, after all, Crown Heights is a joke of a community so it let it have a joke of a Beis Din…
    Thank GOD someone is standing up for our community and saying that THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE!!!!

    i voted r bogomilsky
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    i voted r bogomilsky

    i voted for r bogomilsky, but i think its time to give in when u lose, accept defeat like a man

    chillul Hashem
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    chillul Hashem

    as soon as you hear r’ osdoba is not going and r’ schwei is you can guess that things arent getting better, but worse, they fight like babies and still want respect. they have to EARN it by doing what is right for the community

    An appeal to HaRav Osdoba Shlita
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    An appeal to HaRav Osdoba Shlita

    With all the due respect I have for HaRav Osdoba (and I’m sicere, really, I do admir him), you’re showing a very VERY BAD exemple to any member of CH’s community and Chassidim all over the world. Yes, that election was scandalous (which election is not?) and there many questions that have not been properly answered once and for all. But you cannot boycott the ceremony. What mesage is it for the community? You’re sending a message of open rebellion against a beis din, against a legal Jewish authority body. Please attend! I, too, am not a R’ Braun’s fan… Read more »

    Rav Osdoba is 100% correct. Kol hakavod.
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    Rav Osdoba is 100% correct. Kol hakavod.

    May Hashem bless him.

    Rabbi Mattis Kantor, Eastern Parkway, NY
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    Rabbi Mattis Kantor, Eastern Parkway, NY

    Did he say “boycott” or are you calling it a boycott? Not attending is one thing is one thing. It is a lack of support, not a protest (yet). Boycott is a protest. I will not be attending – but I am not boycotting. If they do the right thing and spend a few weeks giving the questions serious attention, and the truth and justice are certified, I would attend. I say “would” not “will” attend, because it seems difficult to verify a good reason why Braun chose to ignore the Rebbe’s request that everyone have smicha before marriage. His… Read more »

    Don't make a Chillul Lubavitch
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    Don't make a Chillul Lubavitch

    When HaRav Braun will be in CH, please give him respect and honnor. Give him a chance to work for the good of the community. Don’t add a Chillul Hashem and a Chillul Lubavitch to what we already have, in despising and disrespecting the Rov.

    fools
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    fools

    why they did not check the postulants before?
    it looks that everyone accepted the rabbis nominated for the election
    Now this “psak din” of Rabbi Rosenberg is for fools.They are playing with our intelligence
    But how they allowed Rabbi Rosenberg, nogea in this psak(he did not check properly Rabbi Brown;s credentials)
    and then ,he signed alone?

    non-crown hiehgts
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    non-crown hiehgts

    I don’t know the truth but as an anash member who follows these things from abroad (I lived 5 yrs in CH but now on shlichus) I cry for the shechunah. I saw the zabla and thought “Yes, some progress on achdus” and now this… “here we go again” Will it ever end?

    A HUGE CHUSPA!!!!
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    A HUGE CHUSPA!!!!

    enough is enough!
    I feel horrible writing this about one of our Rabbonim, but, SHAPE UP OR SHAPE OUT!! we can’t let this continue any longer. If you really think you can’t overcome everything to make peace in ch, resign. We’ll make new elections for a third Rov to join Rabbis Shweii and Braun.

    I write this with sadness in my heart.

    why yud shvat time? because...
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    why yud shvat time? because...

    “A ceremony for Rabbi Braun was planned for this Motzoei Shabbos, Yud Shvat, but the only available flight to fit the schedule would still be in air on Shabbos, COLlive.com was told, so Rabbi Braun’s trip had to be postponed.” said zaki tamir. why was it planned for motzoei shabbos? simple, because a) being that the main farbrengen is held motzoei shabbos, this assures the biggest crowd than any other night B) if rabbi osdoba will not attend, and encourage others not to attend, there would anyway be many people since the main farbrengen is taking place then. now that… Read more »

    Rabbi Ozdba:
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    Rabbi Ozdba:

    On behalf of the entire community, I am begging to you, PLEASE COME.
    This is the what it takes to bring acdus!

    shame
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    shame

    Rabbi Osdoba was appointed with the Rebbes haskoma, that is the only reason i have respect for him at the moment.

    If the rov of ch cannot avoid machlokos and can only stir it more, how can the community live in peace.

    the people voted and this is the result. suck it up and start acting like a rov should

    Its wrong, it doent matter who says it isnt
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    Its wrong, it doent matter who says it isnt

    If i get pulled over and given a false ticket by a cop, even if a judge upholds it, it doesn’t make it right.
    If 1 out of 5 zabla members and 1 out of 3 vaad members say that r’ Braun is a Rov, that doesn’t make him one!

    to the Rov.
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    to the Rov.

    I think that R. Osdoba should step out of the beis Din, A rov is a person who has to bring peace to the comunity and the entire clal Israel, the beis din need rabonim to psak, not politians and baal machloikes, its time to go, or do your job.
    before guimmel tammuz the rabonim were doing whats their job was, and now the rabonim want more power, and lidership. Please stop to behive like children that someone took their candy.

    Is this a Rov/Dayan?!
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    Is this a Rov/Dayan?!

    How can someone be a Dayan an expect people to follow his ruling in a Din Torah if he himself cant follow a ruling in a Din Torah?

    VERY SAD!!!
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    VERY SAD!!!

    We should tear our clothing and mourn.

    This time I agree with Rabbi Osdoba
    Guest
    This time I agree with Rabbi Osdoba

    and I never do

    Discrace
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    Discrace

    R Osdobo is making a an absolute disgrace of the Rabbinate. The small chance I thought there would be peace is now gone. Whether you like it or not R’ Braun did win the elections. The smicha thing is a red herring. He has smicha now. R’ Tzinner did a number on him by revoking what any normal person would think is a smicha. I will be in 770 iyh sunday night to support the will of the people and the zabla bes din. I hope you do the same. Rabbi Braun may actually turn out to be a great… Read more »

    Ridiculous
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    Ridiculous

    Oh well, the only achdus I can touch is by shopping at Kol Toov or Empire Grocers on a daily basis…people being nice to each other, chassidic music in the air, poshut simple chosids and folk living their everyday lives b’simcha… I’ve been in the Beis Din office upstairs on Kingston, they have a heater, it was absolutely freezing up there… tell me the older generation are either too cheap to warm up the office or they just don’t give a “hoot”.

    A RAV????
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    A RAV????

    Why should we listen to a rav who doesn’t listen to a bais din himself????
    That leads to – why listen to Torah. Let’s decide when it pays for us and only then listen.

    This “Rav” (R’ Osdoba) ought to step down.

    another idea
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    another idea

    hows about we let them run around like a bunch of little boys, and we just go about our business so that when we have success w/o them, we can say that we did it and not to their credit. they are USELESS. when someone cannot fix this type of problem for SO long and its so embarrassing and dysfunctional and SHAMEFUL, then just go on about life and try to just live w/o it. I am sorry for those who are entrenched and stuck needing this system because I don’t see how it can work. These people are incapable… Read more »

    enough is enough
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    enough is enough

    rav osdoba should either except the psak din or resign gracefullt from the bais din.
    what he is doing now is simply a chilul hashem b’rabim. hashen yiracheim.

    DOESN"T CARE
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    DOESN"T CARE

    Don’t you get it? Rabbi Osdoba doesn’t really care about the community. It’s his way or the highway. If Rabbi Osdoba chooses not to accept the zabla ruling, then he should resign!! Why should anyone listen to a future ruling of the Bais Din if the Rov himself can’t. He is totally undermining the status of a bais din ruling

    Why
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    Why

    This is the closest crown heights/chabad came to some sort of shalom since gimel tamuz.  Now I know everyone is well intended and wants to see things done “properly” and the way the Rebbe really wants it to be  but by not supporting the psak and the Rabonim we are driving ourselves away from shalom and from what the Rebbe wants!  Now, the situation seems to be irreparable because whatever little  trust we the people had left in Rabonim, Mashpim and the modern halachic system is now gone because of the Rabonim and Mashpim who lead us by example by… Read more »

    No respect anymore! Shameful!!!!
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    No respect anymore! Shameful!!!!

    I am so upset reading this article. I truly was hoping that at least the rabonim will do what’s best for sholom and the community. Now Rabbi Osdoba shows his true face. I am embarrassed for him and the community. Now that there was a ZABLA and he still refuses to accept results by using all kinds of excuses I feel that it is clear that Rabbi Ozdoba is the cause for all the machloikes all these years. It is shameful! I will be very sharp and say that it is clear that Rabbi Ozdoba has his interest before the… Read more »

    Rov Osdaba
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    Rov Osdaba

    Rov Osdaba is leading the community by showing the Psak was a Sham. One can not be a Rov without Smicha. The Rebbe had Rav Zirkin make sure that the Rabbonim has Smicha in 5748 (1988). You will not hear from the other 4 Rabbonim as they are being pressured not to speak out. How sad. As Rav Osdaba said the Circus will continue

    i agree with rabbi osdoba
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    i agree with rabbi osdoba

    rabbi osdoba has a point…i think that the hachtata cannot take place without all the rabbanim, and the whole community. perhpas lman hasholam rabbi bogomilsky should join.

    Pathetic!!!
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    Pathetic!!!

    STOP YOUR FIGHTING!!! I”M SO SICK OF THIS I WANNA SCREAM!! we brought in Rabonim from all over the world to get a normal bais din and now after all this rabbi O just decides to ruin things at the last second.

    Utter chaos, but R' Osdoba is RIGHT
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    Utter chaos, but R' Osdoba is RIGHT

    How on G-d’s good earth can we have RAV who does not have smicha or shimush, are YOU going to bring your shailas to such a person??? What is the point of appointing a Rav, if they are not actually a Rav? I don’t care what side you are on and ESPECIALLY for those from outside CH commenting how bad politics are, that is irrelevant to the fact- anyone who will ask a shaila of a Rav with no smicha or shimush, well there goes halacha out the door. And btw I read the letter from R’ Rosenberg, it made… Read more »

    To #17
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    To #17

    So then why go to a Din Torah to begen with if you KNOW your right and the other man “contradicts halacha”

    Rabbi Osdoba has crossed the line!
    Guest
    Rabbi Osdoba has crossed the line!

    Enough is enough. a year ago all I knew is that our two rabbonim dont get along but now its becoming clear why that is.

    Boruch N. Hoffinger                BS"D
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    Boruch N. Hoffinger BS"D

    A very senior rav on the Beis Din of Crown Heights went to a secular court re: a divorce because he would win, while in his own beis din he would lose. Everyone knows who it is. This rav doesn’t want to give up his hold on a certain section of ‘Shulchan Oruch’ which is profitable. That’s why he’s afraid of this new rav. This rav also wanted another rav to run in the recent election but Rabbi Yosef Spielman circulated a flier about this rav who had falsified a beis din finding from California. When I asked the senior… Read more »

    Rabbi osdoba resign!
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    Rabbi osdoba resign!

    You obviously cant get along with anybody and your making this whole community look like a joke.

    Living in Chelm only it's dangerous not just stupid
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    Living in Chelm only it's dangerous not just stupid

    HaRav Braun??? ARE YOU ALL SO STUPID? ARE YOU ALL SHEEP? The man didn’t have Smicha when he was “elected.” He only has a piece of paper saying he has it after he had to scramble to find someone to say okay, okay, here, you’re a Rav. Don’t any of you people get it? YOU ELECTED SOMEONE WHO ISN’T QUALIFIED! Would you have a doctor operate on you if he doesn’t have qualifications even if he’s been doing surgery for years? No you wouldn’t. Do you think this phony Rabbi is qualified to make life-changing decisions about YOUR life? Would… Read more »

    to # 51
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    to # 51

    right on the money rabbi rosenberg should just admit they made a mistake and call for new elections. remember this is a post for life why throw it under the rug just because you dont live here and you got your money!!

    Bubbi says
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    Bubbi says

    This time around I would have to agree with Rabbi Osdoba. If the other Rabbonim that sat on this din torah would come forth and justify Rabbi Rosenberg’s psak and say that they too agree to accept Rabbi Braun as the 3rd Rov without seeing an actual valid signed Semicha, then it would be more acceptable to a large percent of the community.

    to all the previous comments
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    to all the previous comments

    you will all see in the end Rav osdoba shlitah will show up and participate in the hachtara. because he IS a real leader and in the end of the day he will put the interests of the community ahead of his personal interests.

    he is probably just testing the waters, but in the end he will make a kiddush hashem and swallow his pride come to the hachtara. just see!

    a BISUL SEYCHUL!!
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    a BISUL SEYCHUL!!

    Instead of writing in vain to Rabbi Rosenberg,
    it is much easier to
    ask the other Rabbonim of the Zabla!!!
    (to either support or annul the psak of Rabbi Rosenberg)
    so we can have CLARITY!

    to #25 and others that think alike
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    to #25 and others that think alike

    the reason for r’ osdoba’s behavior is for the exact reason of what he said, that there are those that are trying to get their way – to push their aganda which we will spell out: is to run the community as they wish with “their” rov, and Rabbi Osdoba, as a responsible Rov cannot allow this to happen. Why is this Hachtara happening so fast – just one week after the other Psak came out?!?! The other psak had lots to work out, figure out and maybe even question. And before anthing can be taken care of, this Hachtara… Read more »

    How can you do this to us!
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    How can you do this to us!

    our one chance for peace! if you cant work with any other rabbi please step down.

    Boruch N. Hoffinger                BS"D
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    Boruch N. Hoffinger BS"D

    I voted for Rabbi Braun. Tell me, fellow Crown Heights residents, what’s the point of going to the ‘Haktara’ when Rav Osdoba won’t sit on a beis din with Rabbi Braun, so there simply won’t be a beis din? Perhaps the wisest thing is for Rabbi Rosenberg and his beis din to make it perfectly clear to the public what Rabbi Braun’s rabbinic standing is…no? I wanted to go to the ‘Haktara’ but now it seems unproductive. Darkness before the light. Let the light come, FAST! (Why are so many of you afraid of signing your names? Fear? Embarrassment? Neither… Read more »

    To R' Osdoba
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    To R' Osdoba

    you are setting a terrible example for the whole community. you do not have even an ounce of credibility.

    Lets see...
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    Lets see...

    Let us see tomorrow night if there is one person to each comment here.
    Whatever and whoever appears, the average intelligence outside of the building will sky-rocket. If you think that his hastened affair will bring peace (even if R’ Osdoba did appear) you are a blind fool.

    I refuse to believe that there are so many tipshim who believe that, and the similarity of message and style here, convince me that there are one or two hacks trying to create a movement in the comments.

    no number 6
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    no number 6

    dont mix your aveiros with anyone elses agenda

    good idia
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    good idia

    I have an idea ,lets get rid of the present bais din and start all over again, this bais din is not doing the right thing any way,and thid staff is not good for lubavitch movement.

    ?????
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    ?????

    Are you trying to kill the shchuna rabbi osdoba?

    A Disgused Chosid
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    A Disgused Chosid

    HaRav Osdoba. I respected you untill today. But now, with your decision not to attend the ceremony, you’re acting like those African dictators who cannot accept that the opposition’s candidate won an election. You’re a smart man. Why did not you bother to call Australia to find out about Rabbi Braun? Even if he ran for the eclection less than two weeks before the vote, calling to Australia takes only a few minutes. Yes, I admired you and I voted for R’ Bogo. But he lost, and it is partly his fault (when someone loose an election it means that… Read more »

    Humor
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    Humor

    If the President of the United States does not a real birth certificate, why should a little rovele need a real smicha document?

    simple facts
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    simple facts

    Today – in your opinion – does Rabbi Braun have semicha? the answer is: even according to reb yoel, he does have semicha. The only difference is, that according to 5 distinguished Rabbonim (zabla bais din), he had semicha for some years now, and according to Reb Yoel, he just got Semicha and Dayunos recently. Remember, this is BEFORE he is inaugurated as Rov. Do you know that the letter that Rabbi Zirkind wrote to the Rebbe stating that he personally examined the Semicha documents from the newly elected 3 Rabbonim – in 5746 – was LONG after the elections?… Read more »

    Pro Rav Osdoba
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    Pro Rav Osdoba

    Rav Osdoba is a talmud chacham, an old wise man, and put in position by the rebbe himself. If you read the COL article above, the quotes from Rav Osdoba are very logical, especially if it is true that the incoming Rav does not have Smicha. And even if he does have Smicha, it is such a profoundly simple thing to prove, thus the fact there is any lack of clarity there is enough to make him suspect. If Rav Osdoba says it is not clear he has Smicha, either A) it is true, or B) Rav Osdoba is losing… Read more »

    no team player
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    no team player

    Rabbi Osdaba is not a team player and I question his sincerity in the Rabbi Braun saga.
    Compared to Jewish communities around the world in they way they treat the rabbonim and how the Rabbonim treat the community, Crown Heights is a joke!
    Rebbe, came back, please!

    what are the facts?
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    what are the facts?

    I have 2 simple questions:

    1) what was Rabbi Osdobo Shlit”o’s “shimush” history prior to being seated as Rov the the Crown Heights Bais Din? (being in Denmark, seems like the same level of shimush most shluchim get running a Chabad House in yehupitz…

    2) Did anyone see Rabbi Osdobo’s Yadin Yadin certificate to this day? He sat on countless Diney Dorah…. and if yes, when is it dated? did you see the original?

    just learned something new
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    just learned something new

    Is Rabbi Osdobo saying that form today onwards, whenever Rabbi Osdobo or any other Beis Din issues a psak din in a din tora, what the looser needs to do is write 3-4 letters to the beis din, get 3 respected Jews to join in his/her objections to the psak, and at that point is patur/absolved from following the Psak….. Until the said bais din answers “all” of his questions 100% “to his satisfaction”…… otherwise, one is not obligated to follow a unequivocal psak din of a 5 dayanim zabla… I just learned something new. thank you!

    r osdoba is wrong
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    r osdoba is wrong

    what is he thinking???

    look around you yidden
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    look around you yidden

    do you have any idea what all this sinah and machloches has done to the younger generation these past 16 years? but a good fight is so gevaldik;who cares about all the korbanos along the way? if any of you on either side thinks this is what the rebbe wants in any way,shape or form,then you are delusional!

    This is strange…
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    This is strange…

    Is there any doubt if Rabbi Y. Braun has semicha and dayanut “now”? it is patently false!

    Does anyone doubt if Rabbi Braun is a bona fide Talmid Chacham?

    Please advise as to which diney torah Rabbi Osdobo lead – before – he was elected to the c.h. bais din? What shimush did he have?

    who is making a machlokes?
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    who is making a machlokes?

    One is definitely supposed to listen to a p’sak of a beis din. Rabbi Osdoba, did sign. However, on the shtar borerim (agreement with the beis din to follow their p’sak), it was written and agreed upon, that the beis din will be obligated to give ‘taam’/reason and support to their p’sokim. They did not. Especially, as letters were written to them, by Rabbi Osdoba, and others. Shame on such a beis din, who represent – officially – Torah, not to do so. This disqualifies them, and holds – halachikally – no responsibilities to the parties to follow their p’sak.… Read more »

    comment
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    comment

    People who went out to vote in the elections with hopeful, honest, sincere intentions to vote and support a particular Rov, did so with the simple understanding that he ,AT LEAST, had a proper smicha. If he doesn’t, than the whole election from beginning until the end has to be considered NULL and VOID!! I don’t think one has to be the biggest Gaon or rocket scientist to understand and to come to this conclusion.

    Heads i win Tails you loos!
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    Heads i win Tails you loos!

    Elections: if i win – good, is not, don’t accept the outcome

    Zabla: if i win – good. if not, don’t accept Psak.

    from miami says
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    from miami says

    i think we verify his smecha first secong third fourth fifth
    and if it is verified then he is a rav
    if its not then he should reimburse the kehila for rosenbergs charges

    Go Rabbi O
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    Go Rabbi O

    I Support Rabbi Osdoba’s decision and I would like to hear answers to the serious questions raised by R’ Yoel R’ Gertlitsky and R’ Levin.

    Whats the rush. Lets sort it out before committing to a lifetime contract.

    People ah bissel seychel!

    Stop the Disgrace
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    Stop the Disgrace

    Can those close to Rabbi Osdoba tell him what a fool he is making of himself?

    No Surprise
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    No Surprise

    We all knew that Rabbi Osdoba would refuse to listen to the psak if it didn’t go his way. There are no surprises here. The only solution is to ignore the negative and let Rabbi Braun start healing the shchuna with the positive, just like he did in Australia. Shiurim, sensitivity to individual’s problems, initiatives to restore respect for halacha, etc. He has a proven record. It would be nice if he had Rabbi Osdoba’s support, and maybe eventually he will, but we won’t hold our breath. Crown Heights needs to move on, with or without R. Osdoba.

    Semicha Issue
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    Semicha Issue

    The Zabloh Beis Din ruled that he has a valid semicha. Stop calling night day and dwellilng on this non-issue.

    Whats going on?
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    Whats going on?

    My understanding is that R’ Osdoba first agreed to come to the event, why did he back out? whats the real story here?

    Hahahaha
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    Hahahaha

    this is so funny! we have a child who doesnt know how to lose as a ROV, wait, no its not funny, its our children’s lives at stake.

    Your missing the point
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    Your missing the point

    The man does not have smicha… how can CH have a rov that does not have Smicha?? it was a mistake….

    gerlitzky
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    gerlitzky

    I asked Rav A. Gerlitzky about the letter and he said he never signed nor see such letter.

    to 72
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    to 72

    The answer is B. And for your info the Rebbe did not appointed no Rov. The kehila elected Rabonim the Rebbe did not participated in the actual election.

    i love it
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    i love it

    i love it how people who don’t respect rabbonim… all of a sudden respect and mock others… i love it how people who created machlokes… got their way in destroying CH… and all of a sudden they are the ‘peace makers’…

    Doesn't Rabbi Rosenberg have an obligation to respond to Rabbi Osdoba?
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    Doesn't Rabbi Rosenberg have an obligation to respond to Rabbi Osdoba?
    #69 - I agree - we are in Africa
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    #69 - I agree - we are in Africa

    That’s why the animals are running the show.
    We are in Africa – that’s why you have chutzpa to speak like this publicly against a rov.
    how contradictory you are…. how false you are… that you claim to respect rabbonim, while talking like an animal (from Africa).
    You want Rabbi Osdoba to support african animals?

    one of the simonim of bias moshiach , is ‘chutzpa yasgei”. But why are you so machmir on this?
    And why is everyone else doing the same.

    installation?
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    installation?

    i invite everybody to the installation ceremony at my house where i will be installing windows on my new computer!

    Sad but true
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    Sad but true

    Rabbi osdaba says the people didn’t know what they were voting for…..

    Anonymous
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    Anonymous

    Rabbi Osdoba conveniently forgot to mention that there are a group of people on his side pushing rabbi tzinner and coming out with false rumors that his semicha was fake.
    shame on them for increasing the machlokas and putting pocket and kovod before the community

    where is rabbi raitport's semicha
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    where is rabbi raitport's semicha

    Did you know that rabbi raitport has no certificate proving that he has semicha yet rabbi osdoba chose him to serve on the bais din. why now is he making a big deal. simply because he is a sore loser and does not respect the community and in turn the rebbe.

    HOW SAD.
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    HOW SAD.

    I cannot understand how these people can be so selfish and destroy the little bit of achdus that we may be able to achieve, just because they didnt get the results that they wanted. all i can say is SHAME SHAME SHAME.

    australia
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    australia

    let the true colors of R’ Braun be shown. All in Australia know he has no Smicha/Shimush . He made no peace here. Good luck Crown Heights.

    The bottom line
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    The bottom line

    In any situation, it doesn’t matter who signed or didn’t sign or what was decided. The question for every G-d fearing Jew who wants to go in the way of truth is..What would the Torah say about this? I don’t think any Rov, particularly one who has been serving this community for so long, should be treated to the incredible disrespect found in most of these comments (by people who I suspect are unlearned themselves) because he is standing up for what he believes is right. It says that a king becomes a king because the people crown him as… Read more »

    only hope
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    only hope

    the only hope is to have r’ osdaba and r’ shwei step down! clean slate and elect three new rabbonim, period!

    Sore losers
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    Sore losers

    You lost! R’ Braun won. Stop being such sore losers.

    Jets Fan
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    Jets Fan

    Sunday night doesn’t work for me. There’s a playoff game on against the Patriots. Go Jets.

    THE REBBE CHOSE HIM
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    THE REBBE CHOSE HIM

    AMAZING HOW ALL OF YOU WHO KNOCK R’ OSDOBO JUST SAY HOW HE IS A FOOL AND WRONG AND IS MAKING A MISTAKE AND SO ON BUT YOU CANT GIVE ONE ANSWER TO HIS QUESTION! YOU CANT GIVE ONE ANSWER TO R’ YOEL KAHNS QUESTIONS! IF YOU WANT TO MAKE IT SO SIMPLE THAT WE MUST LISTEN TO THE PASK NO MATTER WHAT I CAN SAY THE SAME THING ” THE REBBE PICKED R’ OSDOBO SO NO MATTER WHAT WE MUST LISTEN TO HIM AS OUR LOCAL ROV” THATS WHAT EVERYONE USED TO SAY ABOUT R’ MARLOW!! WHAT HAPPEND NOW?… Read more »

    Sick of Alll the Fighting
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    Sick of Alll the Fighting

    Why can’t I just move out of this dump to a smaller, more friendly and warm community? My family loves it here and I love them, so I’m stuck. But not by choice. I’m sick of all the fighting, I’m sick of the non-Jews who harass us or can’t speak English, and I’m tired of the broken down neighborhood where no one has room to breathe or park our cars, tired of the cops who keep harassing us…

    mida k'neged mida
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    mida k'neged mida

    Because we have been in the business of cheapening our smichas (Euro Pass etc), we got a Rav without one.
    Hashem definetely has a sense of humor.

    OPED TO R' BRAUN SUPPORTERS
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    OPED TO R' BRAUN SUPPORTERS

    1. The people supporting R Bruan don’t use logical arguments. They are not dealing with the issues/problems at hand. Like their Liberals counter-part (the American left), they resort to name calling and personal attacks. They bash/insult those who dare to question and conveniently ignore what being questioned. 2. Why are the R Braun Supporters so nervous, why are they so jumpy, frustrated and angry? If everything is so clear cut and your man “won”, then wheres the self confidence, why are you writing comments in defense of something so simple and easy? As far as you should be concerned, it’s… Read more »

    to the ballei machlokos
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    to the ballei machlokos

    you fooled us once with rabbi shvei it wont work us again as the saying goes….

     A simple answer
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    A simple answer

    Like it or not Rav Osdoba is A rov in this Community elected by a Majority & approved given Koach by the Rebbe(Remember him?) yes everyone voted.I personally voted for Braun not knowing as many others of the questions etc.. There were serious legitimate Questions raised by Prominent people When Does Yoel Kahn openly involve himself in politics or has he really ever done so? doubtful.R’ Avraham Gerlisky a noted Mashpia in Oholei torah comes out Risks his position etc. to say this.Rav Osdoba agrees has the same questions why did Rosenberg sign it alone? Why aren’t the other Rabbonei… Read more »

    My gut feeling:
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    My gut feeling:

    Tonight, Horav Hago’on Reb Avrohom Osdobo Shlit”o will grace the ‘hachtoro’ ceremony with his presence, and maybe even speak a few words.

    (my hope and prayers – for the benefit of us all….)

    Hachtara
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    Hachtara

    When push comes to shove, you will see Rabbi Osdoba at the hachtara.

    Rav Broun will still have Smicha
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    Rav Broun will still have Smicha

    Rav Broun will still have Smicha no matter how many times you write he does not have it. While the Rabbonim on the zabla need to give reasons. They DO NOT need to prove their reasons. Rav Rosenberg wrote a) He considers Rav tziners letter to be Shmicha (and while Rav ozdaba might not like it, that’s just too bad.) b) Rav Broun got a shmicha from a Rov in Australia after the elections. (so enough with the “he has no smicha buisiness) c) Rav Rosenberg writes of a third smicha dated over a year before the elections. (he is… Read more »

    #72 - Pro Rav Osdoba
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    #72 - Pro Rav Osdoba

    I guess you didn’t follow the story. The psak din from the 5 rabbonim on the zablo paskend unequivocally that Rabbi Braun has more then on Semicha – they saw it! – and also dayanus.

    Does he have to show it to you? Did rabbi osdobo show you (or the community) his semicha/dayanus? (no! he showed it only to rabbi zirkind – long after he was elected)

    Vayachbeed Hashem Es Lev Paroh
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    Vayachbeed Hashem Es Lev Paroh

    Rabbi Osdoba just chose to sign his life away.

    He chose his own destiny, by him being defiant against the Psak Din, he has gotten himself booted out of the Badataz.

    Rabbi Rosneberg’s Original Psak Din stated that if either Rabbi Osdoba or Rabbi Schway would refuse the Psak Din, then whoever refuses will be KICKED OUT of the Beis Din.

    We are now all set to make new elections to replace Rabbi Osdoba who refuses to listen to the Psak Din.

    who will our children respect?
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    who will our children respect?

    What and who will our children respect? There is a clear psak din, and distinguished rabbonim (who were on the loosing side) proclaim that ‘according to the holy torah’ one is not obligated to accept the result.

    I think this whole thing is a big misunderstanding, and both rabbi osodobo and rabbi shwey will take a leading part in the hachtara ceremony Sunday night.

    Moshiach now!

    please, please please
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    please, please please

    Rabbi Osdobo: PLEASE COME TO THE HACHTORO and let us all begin the healing process and come more together.

    Please, please please!!!

    Every Child known the rules of Naase Kodem Lenishma
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    Every Child known the rules of Naase Kodem Lenishma

    Ask any child if he has to first listen to those who have authority over him, or if the child can FIRST BE DEFIANT, until his parent or teacher will first give him the “WHY” they ORDERED him to obey their orders. Rabbi Osdoba must OBEY the ruling first, and ask questions later. Every Cheder Yingel knows that Rabbi Osdoba is wrong here. It well known that just because rabbi Osdoba asked for a “Mehechan Dantuni” and did not yet get it, doesn’t give him a right to be defiant against the Psak Din until he gets his explanations first.… Read more »

    Nebach
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    Nebach

    Nebach, Nebach, Nebach

    Exactly what we did NOT want
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    Exactly what we did NOT want

    this is Exactly what we did NOT want one Rov saying on thing and the other saying something else, thats why we had this quarter of a million dollar election in the first place – to bring us all the peace that we have all been waiting for. I just cannot understand how Rabbi ozdoba can do this, does that mean that all this was for nothing???

    Agree with 25 and 69
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    Agree with 25 and 69

    I’m very very very disappointed with R Osdoba.

    I’m not a big fan of either side, but this is utter foolishness. Does he see the broader ramifications of his actions? Does he see where this is leading?

    There was finally a hope of some improvement and crown heights and now he is flushing it down the drain?!

    This is reckless!

    Look at Zaki, he was known to not be a fan of the new rov, etc., but he understands that there was a Zabla, there was a psak, that ultimately a more stable beis din will help bring healing to CH.

    hoffinger
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    hoffinger

    how dare you spread lies about going to secular court? getting involved in personal life of a rov, where lies were spread by the other side? a chutzpa!!!

    rabbi osdoba agreed to the zabla that ruled there will new elections for community council & rov, that he agreed to, it is the process that followed that was flawed, to which rabbi osdoba is 100% right

    give braun a chnace
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    give braun a chnace

    All the stories are fabrications

    give the man a chance and trust me you will not be disapointed

    WAKE UP...
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    WAKE UP...

    or do you prefer to wait till this hits you in the face?? BRAUN is not honest… if he is such a fantastic Rov, why is Sydney not trying to keep him? And even better, make videos to campaign and advertise for him… because they love him SO MUCH; RIIIGHHHT…. i know from inside sources that its not all so jolly and sweet But CH, the Rebbes shchuna, core community, is ready to take on a rov that has not produced CLEAR semicha and shimush credentials, has been involved in dealings which seem far from HONEST and STRAIGHT; I live… Read more »

    Rov Osdoba wants proof he is qualified.. a proper request
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    Rov Osdoba wants proof he is qualified.. a proper request

    it is the Rav’s question on whether this individual has the proper experience and credentials to be a rav in Crown Heights. That is the question and he is the one who has a right to ask it. This question is needs to be answered.

    de ja vu
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    de ja vu

    Wow, I remember a similar argument about Obama – where is his birth certificate?
    R’ Braun should produce all of his documents – incl his smicha BEFORE he is inducted.
    It’s normal business practise – for example, if I want to apply for a job, I need to produce my qualifications beofre I take up the position. What’s different here?
    R’ Osdaba is being responsible by pointing this out and he has a right to ask for this documentation on behalf of the community!

    Rabbi Osdoba ???
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    Rabbi Osdoba ???

    Rabbi Osdoba is required by Torah Law to abide the psak of a Din Torah. The fact that in his opinion Rabbi Braun is unfit was addressed by the Din Torah, which like it or not, paskened that Rabbi Braun is fit.

    Rabbi Osdoba is now in clear violation of Torah Law and risks being excommunicated for not abiding the psak.

    Chilul Lubavitch
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    Chilul Lubavitch

    I have now lost all my respect for rabbi osdaba because he is making a Machlokos the end of the day its nothing to do with the fact if he has got semicha its about making machlokos and more machlokos Rabbi osdaba if you dont like peace step down there are to many Tsoros in Lubavitch because of your Machlokos even if Rabbi Braun had semicha and Shimush you will search for somethinr else to say he is no good

    Whose the fool now?
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    Whose the fool now?

    Fools= people “annionting” a Rav who, well is NOT a Rav.

    Pro Rav Osdoba
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    Pro Rav Osdoba

    I am a BT, here in CH 5 years now. I am very dissappointed in the lack of respect for Rov Osdoba. This community (Crown Heights) should be ashamed they do not respect Rov Osdoba. He was appointed by the Rebbe, is an elder talmid chacham. if he speaks, we have to listen; if he says there is a problem, we have to see if he is correct. It is very obvious Crown Heights has a heavy eruv rav influence. Giving respect to talmid chachamim is simply a basic part of our society, and Crown Heights is simply not holding… Read more »

    Last call to Rabbi Ozdoba Shlita
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    Last call to Rabbi Ozdoba Shlita

    Crown Heights is fed up with the last 10 years event. The signs are all clear, you dont want to share any power in Bet Din. Please take a last chance lesson from Tunisia, read your political map and future.
    Your have 2 choises, accept the vote like a man, respect your comunity and show up to the hactoro or resigne. We will not be held dostage anymore!!!!

    I'm 16, on shlichus and shocked!
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    I'm 16, on shlichus and shocked!

    To all the comments: i dont know anything abt this election nor do i understand any of it. I have been following all the stories featured on collive and i am so disturbed by this situation going on in the place i look up to and visit a few times a year. CH is the rebbe’s home, it’s the place i go to revitalise with all the things i love about a frum chassidishe community. Yes i see the issue of a rav for the community is a big deal but the way the ppl talk about it all is… Read more »

    WHY
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    WHY

    WHY DON’t the other 4 Rabonim say anything??!

    THEY COULD GIVE AN END TO ALL DOUBTS

    RABBI OSDOBA HAS A GOOD POINT

    Who is advising Rabbi Osdoba?
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    Who is advising Rabbi Osdoba?
    att: rabbi osdoba
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    att: rabbi osdoba

    ACHDUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    he's manipulated
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    he's manipulated

    Rabbi Osdoba is a puppet of a bunch of corrupt cronies…he blindly follows and accepts alot of loshon hora from dirty people…his controlors are and were clowns in the vaad and even the disgraced rav machshir of david elliot (for those who know him. how “frum” that rav machshir really is… ) ok now I’m talking loshon horo myself.
    basically truly evil low-lives control rabbi osdoba.

    I'm going
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    I'm going

    I voted for rabbi bogomilsky, I still think he is the best choice but rabbi broin won the election and the zoblo confirmed his so I will be at this event.

    to #89
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    to #89

    You missing the point Halacha decides

    won or lost?
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    won or lost?

    Have you ever seen a loosing party to a Din Tora be happy that he lost? This type of behaviour is typical to common people. one would hope that a prominent Rov would rise to a higher level. Do we expect Rabbi Osdobo to be “satisfied” with a psak din that his candidate did not win??? The point is: there is absolutely no reason for us to expect or wait for Rabbi Osdobo to be satisfied. We are compelled to follow the Psak Din of the Zablo regardless of who is happy or not. These very same arguments were raised… Read more »

    derech hatora
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    derech hatora

    When you have 2 party’s fighting about something, and they cannot come to a mutual agreement, torah mandates that they submit their arguments to a bais din – and then follow the outcome. It is clear, that one side will loose, and will not be happy (he may even believe that al pi tora he is 100% correct, and actually have proof to back up his claim. BUT, ANY knowledgeable yid (talmid chacham) will be able to argue both sides of almost any issue. In other words, in EVERY machlokes, one can bring very compelling arguments – al pi torah… Read more »

    Dear Rabbi Osdobo
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    Dear Rabbi Osdobo

    When is an individual required according to halacha to follow a plak din of a zablo that ruled “against” him?

    Is it only when the “loosing” party is “convinced” and “satisfied” with the responces he gets from the beis din?

    will he ever be “convinced” and “satisfied”? Is this a Joke? a looser is almost “never” satisfied. yet he is require according to halacha to follow the result…

    Rabbi Osdobo must go..
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    Rabbi Osdobo must go..

    If R Osdobo claims he cant sit with Rabbi Braun, than he must go and we can have elections for a third rov instead of him. Enough with not heeding a Bais Din. This is a terrible example of how one must listen to a ruv. Rabbi Braun is a great ruv and will help many people, let him come and start his holy work instead of this fighting.

    please give me 1- weeks
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    please give me 1- weeks

    Rabbi Osdobo is basicly saying: Zaki, please give me some more time, so people shop around fro some ‘ra’abonim’ to sign a letter against Rabbi Rosenberg, and then I will have a ‘legitimate’ excuse not to accept the psak din (of a zablo which i signed to follow thire psakim and not shop around for other rabbonim).

    Please, just give me 1-2 more weeks, i’m sure we can get it done by then.

    He has smicha Period! Stop the lie!
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    He has smicha Period! Stop the lie!

    and stop the crying for loosing. Sore Losers. The ZABLA ruled that he DOES have smicha!
    It’s a shande the behavior of such a chosuvah rov just because he lost.
    Does Rabbi Osdoba care about the community besides himself???!!!
    Put your ego aside for the sake of unity or just resign for the good of the community.
    WE ALL HAD ENOUGH MACHLOKES!!!!

    forgery
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    forgery

    if ther eis an accusation of forgery, the matter has to be investigated
    If was.cv, any forgery ,cannot become part of the BD, even he has 10 semichos

    Yossi
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    Yossi

    Why all of a sudden is what rabbi osdoba says a question? Isn’t he abir sbiabirim? On who word alone pepole were beaten? And on who’s word alone pepole were excommunicated and on who the whole community said he is stronger then a nasi? Now all of a sudden you don’t like what he says he is no longer so spechial?

    crown heights resident
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    crown heights resident

    to number 85, every rov in sydney, especially those on the sydney beis din, say that braun never had any shimush.. he never did gittin , and no one asks him shaylos,, please hes not major rov.. no one respects him , berel lipsker his father in law , doesnt want him to come. what is so special about braun that ppl want him.? what does he offer, mir ken shoin maynen pleanty of other ppl who are more qualified. braun is causing more machlokes then anyone else, he should simply resign. he lied and got caught. and rosenberg ”… Read more »

    Message for RABBI SCHWEI
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    Message for RABBI SCHWEI

    I hope that Rabbi Schwei or those who care about him read this, so that he can get this message: What does Rabbi Shwei have to say about the letter written by the three choshuve Rabbanim in Crown Heights, especially since Rabbi Schwei is known to have tremendous respect for Rav Yoel Kahn – the pride of Lubavitch. What does Rabbi Schwei have to say about the letter which Rabbi Osdoba wrote, in which he stated that according to the Shulchan Aruch (Choshen Mishpat, Hilchos Dayanim chapter 3;4), a Dayan cannot be forced to sit with someone who is unfit.… Read more »

    Hirschel Pekkar
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    Hirschel Pekkar

    BH. The purpose of smichah is to assertain the candidat’s knowledge of the halacha, If it became clear to those who tested his knowledge of halacha, that his knowledge is satisfactory, then he is granted the right to be ordained.
    In our case, he had the best test, when his knowledge was found to be excellent, thats why the community that tested him chose Rabbi Braun. “sholom kan hakol kan”, – peace is here then all is here. If someone feels that something is missing, then make sholom, and you will have it ALL

    Rabbi Osdoba is missing the point...
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    Rabbi Osdoba is missing the point...

    Thursday the smicha was good therefore he signed he is attending .. Friday the smicha is no good… Rabbi Osdoba! in your age and experiencing we expect a more mature behavior

    the way of jews
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    the way of jews

    When you have 2 party’s fighting about something, and they cannot come to a mutual agreement, torah mandates that they submit their arguments to a bais din – and then follow the outcome. It is clear, that one side will loose, and will not be happy (he may even believe that al pi tora he is 100% correct, and actually have proof to back up his claim. BUT, ANY knowledgeable yid (talmid chacham) will be able to argue both sides of almost any issue. In other words, in EVERY machlokes, one can bring very compelling arguments – al pi torah… Read more »

    aganainst psak din?
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    aganainst psak din?

    Isn’t the use of this stationary in clear violation of the psak din? is it a (not so) subtle hint that he is proclaiming to the zablo bais din and to the whole world: ‘ich faif zich on oif aich’?

    Dear Rabbi Osdobo:
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    Dear Rabbi Osdobo:

    When is an individual required according to halacha to follow a plak din of a zablo that ruled “against” him?

    Is it only when the “loosing” party is “convinced” and “satisfied” with the responces he gets from the beis din?

    will he ever be “convinced” and “satisfied”? Is this a Joke? a looser is almost “never” satisfied. yet he is require according to halacha to follow the result…

    please give us some time
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    please give us some time

    Rabbi Osdobo is basically saying: Zaki, please give me some more time, so r’ yoel kah and myself can shop around fro some ‘ra’abonim’ to sign a letter against Rabbi Rosenberg, and then I will have a ‘legitimate’ excuse not to accept the psak din (of a zablo which i signed to follow thire psakim and not shop around for other rabbonim).

    signed commitment
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    signed commitment

    There was a signed commitements from rabbi osdobo shlita to participate in the inauguration. Ask the vaad hakohol. (why do you think that zaki stated publicly that rabbi osdobo will participate? v’cakarta v’darashta…)

    against psak?
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    against psak?

    Isn’t the use of this stationary in clear violation of the psak din? is it a (not so) subtle hint that he is proclaiming to the zablo bais din and to the whole world: ‘ich faif zich on oif aich’?

    No logic needed
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    No logic needed

    For all those complaining that the Pro BRaun camp is not useing logic, this is simply because at this point no logic is needed. When a bis din says you won, you won. period. The logic and arguements were all good before Rabbi Rosenberg paskans. Now it is torah, since when do we say, because I don’t understand torah I will not follow.

    twitter
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    twitter

    just of the vaad twitter
    “r osdaba gave permission to the hachtoroh

    Equal members
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    Equal members

    Now (after the elections), Rabbi Braun is one of the 3 Rabbonim on the C.H. Beis Din. He has equal standing and authority as Rabbi Osdobo & Rabbi Schwey. Nobody is forcing Rabbi Osdobo to sit with anyone. THE SAME COMMUNITY WHO ELECTED HIM thereby empowering him as a chaver habeis din (1/3rd of the power of the beis din) – THE VERY SAME COMMUNITY elected Rabbi Bruan, giving him EQUAL say and power. If you choose not to want to sit with him, it’s your choice. But you have no power over the authority of Rabbi Braun.

    It's not too late
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    It's not too late

    it’s not too late. we can have a hachtara tonight with the participation of both sitting current members of the bait din present.

    please urge both harav osdaba and harav shwei to put their differences aside and take leading part in the hachtara. for the sake of our children!

    I  support  Rabbi Osdoba
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    I support Rabbi Osdoba

    He is right. What’s the rush?

    big turnout tonight
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    big turnout tonight

    I predict there will be a large crowd at the Hachtara of Harav Broun. the average person wants to see some balance on the Beis Din – not a stalemate. The zablo of 5 specialy chosen rabbonim went throght ALL of the arguments that were presented from all the fighting parties, and they came to a clear psak din: the election was 100% valid and the Hachtara needs to take place imidiatly. we will all come and support the 3rd – new rov. let us give him a chance to give us a clear 1st have impression of himself without… Read more »

    please
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    please

    please everyone come please!!!!

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    theres a clear video of the rebbe talking to Rabbi Raitport about his Piskei dinim. Its in eyes upon the land. + the only Haskamah the rebbe ever gave was on his sefer.so if then he already paskened for people and the rebbe asked about his Piskei Dinim do you consider him a rov or not?

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    how can i get the tweets?

    What bothers me EVEN more!
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    What bothers me EVEN more!

    I don’t care who is right and who is wrong!

    LOSE is spelled L-O-S-E not L-O-O-S-E.

    I don’t respect a word you say when you spell “LOOSE”

    vaad member hackner tweets
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    vaad member hackner tweets

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    u get up to the sec. news from the inside

    What?
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    What?

    What is going on here? This is a turning point of Biblical proportions! (no pun intended). Will Moshiach come because we are all worthy, or the opposite? LISTEN TO THE PSAC DIN! ENHANCE ACHDUS IN CROWN HEIGHTS, NOT THE OPPOSITE. If either Rabbi Schwei or Rabbi Osdoba want’s to go against the psak, let him resign. Period.

    TO #164
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    TO #164

    You never answered the question, where is rabbi raitport’s semicha and how come rabbi osdoba didnt make a issue of that, sorry but i smell a bad loser

    Update on Rabbi Osdoba and the Hachtarah
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    Update on Rabbi Osdoba and the Hachtarah

    from zaki tamir blog. A group of yungerleit committed to seeing peace and closure in the community waited for Rabbi Osdoba to arrive in 770. Rabbi Osdoba did not appear in 770 as expected, but rather went to his home. He refused to meet with our group, however he did agree to meet with me privately. We met in his home, and the following things were brought out at the meeting: Rabbi Osdoba will not appear, because he is opposed to the hachtorah until there is verification of an original smicha document. I asked Rabbi Osdoba for permission to conduct… Read more »

    out of towner
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    out of towner

    since the new “rav” is in town, why not have the 2 Rabonim test him accordingly to determine if there is any reason to have any doubt. to say that there is a problem anyone can do, but to correct it OR verify if there is a problem, Rabbi Osdabo & Rabbi Shewei can certainly do.

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