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Signs in Yiddish were seen hanging around Crown Heights Friday morning, calling for Jewish women to be more careful about tznius. They were not signed and no information was available as to who is behind them. More
Signs in Yiddish were seen hanging around Crown Heights Friday morning, calling for Jewish women to be more careful about tznius. They were not signed and no information was available as to who is behind them. More
accomplish!!
u’ll feel good!
even an average rational secular person will agree intuitively
that a women’s dress reveals a lot about her sense of inner worth & dignity!
the more provocative the less inner well being
hence the only way left to feel important is to get noticed for the wrong reasons
Blanket statements that smugly point accusatory fingers should not be made.Blaming parents for their children’s inapproriate dress does not take into account peer pressure,(even among young married couples,) teenage insecurity, and other factors that are killing parents and mechanchim/mechanchos alike.There is no easy answer to this multi-faceted problem, but one thing’s for sure: All those who are, for whatever reason, part of the “with-it” brigade- pseudo “sophisticates” that willfully ignore what they learned in school- should, at least, stop trying to portray those that are pained by such views as provincial, unsophisticated meddlers. Better to acknowledge that halachic dress code… Read more »
these signs should be in ENGLISH
Yes, Hashem’s Torah, Our Torah, has no indication of putting women down. If someone feels pushed aside because of a Torah Law, given by Hashem, where all TRUE kindness stmes from without any ego which we carry often, self introspection is needed-not Torah configurations! Perhaps some of us feel insulted, deprived etc when we cannot steal from someone else-why can’t we all ‘share’? Well, because none of us humans made from flesh and blood can run this world and decide what is best for us. ONLY Hashem can. Do you understand or feel compassionately about eating Kosher, or not driving… Read more »
Wow-I must salute your absolute refined, intellectual, respectful way of expressing this thought so clearly. Although many comments have hit a hard button, too painful to release, you brought it out in a wonderful way.
It truly is about that-about being a Jewish Woman-prescribed by our ONE and holy Torah given 3,000 years ago.
Dignity, seclusion, respect, love, uniqueness, We would never give it up to anyone!
Thank you for sharing.
Henny Chanina
Then, you will also have separate bus, between men and women, women in the back?
Very important issue! Another very important issue is courage and self-esteem. I scrolled through all the responses and did not find one ‘Yid’ who stated their name. Perhaps this is tied to ‘tznius?’ Why expect a young/old lady to dress modestly? This requires courage and strength. All you writers seem to lack this. Perhaps, if you were used to dressing this way before you became ‘frum’ you would continue? Consequently, I didn’t read any of the responses. When you don’t sign it’s an easy way to: A. Be less responsible B. Hurt others and run! C. Make mistakes in fact… Read more »
You dont make any sense at all!! “By not dressing tzinus theyre showing to predators that they are weak and vulnerable.” How lame is that? Dressing not tznius isnt that a person is emotianally weak, rather its a choice that they made, albeit a rebellious one. And if in your mind thats the way u think then something is wrong with you and you should examine yourself bc it clearly shows that u have some problems. Maybe u dress not tzniusdik bc u have self-esteen or self-emotional issues, but dont hoist that distinction upon everyone else….lastly its so funny to… Read more »
those ppl in williamsburg!
While my head is not in the sand and realize that there are issues to be dealt with in Crown Heights, I feel it is unfair to assume that all the women who dress in an untzniusdik manner in CH are “Lubavitch”. Let me give one example. I know a 21 yr old non-frum girl from out of state who finished college got a job at a local hospital as an intern and decided to rent an apt in CH. Now when this girl walks to the train every morning or purchases her groceries do you think she is dressed… Read more »
its not a matter of private business! the way a women a our community decides to dress in public affects everyone on soo many levels all of which are negative a) she & her family are degraded, by advertising her low self image b) her families health & money are adversely affected (according to kabala) c) other men on the street are made uncomfortable (no need to elaberate) d) it shows public (shameless) contempt for the rebbeh & his wishes e) it advertises emotional lacking, or a loveless marriage at home f) it shows predators that you may be an… Read more »
to #39 that was a disgusting comment. i cant believe there are still people these days that think women should always just be at home cooking for their husbands and watching their kids that is are gross. anyway i think collive should change the caption because it is not addressing them to be more tznius its asking them to do something that is degrading and isnt right. why should the woman step aside if a man is coming toward her? if the man doesnt want to bump into her or get “too close” then they could move aside! and you… Read more »
first of all, all those who are not interested in dressing tznius, dont get all defensive and say that this is not for crown heights. then who is it for? lubavitchers are the most religious people, and tznius is part of our religion. second of all, if u dont care to be tznius, if u dont care about respecting your husband, protecting your family etc. tehn at least care abt the men on teh street that may be sinning, at no fault of their own because of YOU!! dont say that they should look away, they should be able to… Read more »
the low self esteem problem (seen on the streets) is not solved via signs!
parents & fathers show your wives & daughters that you truly love & cherish them!!
build them up at home with positive affirmation so that they dont desperately seek to fill the vacuum on the street
(which only hurts their longterm self respect even further)
BTW it is Halacha that a man can not walk behind a woman, and that a man cant walk between two woman and vise versa. so it does make sence to ask that women stepaside- not because we are lower, but just because that what HASHEM asks of us. and for anyone who doesnt understand why that is the case think hard maybe you will understand the sensitivity. And being a Lubavitcher girl I BH grew up with this understanding and when ever a man is walking on the sidewalk near me i step aside, and I am proud to… Read more »
if we are addressing this issue by writing all about these signs, both posiitve and negative, then their first step has been accomplished.
And, if we are discussing it then we are doing a chessed for Hashem, the Rebbe and our neighborhood.
After all we are ehrliche Yidden and our shlichus starts with ourselves.
My daughter is twelve and I am always disagreeing with her about the lengh of her skirts- she hikes them up. I NEVER dress like that. She claims I am too strict and points out how EVERYONE’S skirts barely cover their knee. Her teacher, everyone in shul- shlucha included, the girls walking down kingston when we visited NY- AND SHE WAS RIGHT!
I feel like I am fighting a losing battle. Her class comes over on shabbos and 2/20 might be tznius. (and they are the nerds) so she thinks i’m the crazy exxagerating one while everyone else is “normal”
chill out!
you are uncomfortable them showing their signs on the street.
meanwhile
you are comfortable showing your signs of dignity & sophisticated taste on the street for all to see VDAL
idk but getting all bent out of shape makes further promotes the stereo type that women who have a need to dress modestly are very young in their emotional development!
find ways to boost these womens self worth!
its all about feeling good with yourself!
sadly some get that feeling this way bec they are hurting inside!
i know many of these ladies personally, they all have one thing in common, its self esteem issues, which incidently get worse as they race to the bottom! HYR
there are two of our own org. Lmaan yishmeu and Bnos Melech (Tznius1) that have the most amazing things to elevate our yiras shomayim and encourage tznius along the lines of our derech. Bnos Melech has awesome articles written in an enjoyable and encouraging way along with letters from the Rebbe and other things they email.You must be on their email list to get these things.
Recently Lmaan Yishmeu distributed free booklets – Pride and dignity & Reaching In. Try to get hold of it. They were so amazing and are out of print.
tznius is not the only issue here. I was looking at l’chim pictures recently posted on one of the websites and a big percentage of bochurim and yungerleit trim their beards. It was mostly people under 40-50 years of age, but especially the 20 year olds. What have we come to. The Rebbe held very strongly about NOT touching ones beard, so much so that there was even a story where he wouldn’t be misader kidushin for a choson because he touched his beard. And what’s up with all the colored shirts and jeans? Don’t we as Lubavitchers have a… Read more »
Yes the tznius level of many Crown Heightsers (women AND MEN!) is appalling…but still beats the role of women in W’burg – many of whom are forbidden from driving a car, must wear horrendous bullet-proof hose (why do the men obsess about the most minute details of women’s attire?! Is THAT tznius? I think not!), and dress super-frumpy…20-yr old women in matronly 60-yr-old women’s clothes.
There MUST be a happy medium!
And some of the Chasseedish W’burg men are lechers who ogle women and make inappropriate remarks.
if the akeres habayis finds no satisfaction in her role. the walls come tumbling down.
The holywood culture has lost the art of being real men, gentlemen and it has lost the art of a real lady. Here is an example; when the queen of England was sitting in her car, on the way to her grand sons wedding, she covered her knees with a blue blanket. All the great poskim write the din is the knees must be covered even when sitting (R’Moshe Feinstein, R’S.Z. Orebach, R’Elyashiv, R’Ovadia Yosef and the Lubavitcher Rebbe) the Posek HaRav Benyomin Silver points out the this is Daas Moshe. The ring is put on a kallas finger based… Read more »
Whoever made the sign obviously didn’t write it for CH. Some probably decided as an afterthought to dump some here.
Some of the women and girls in Crown Heights who have problems with the way they dress do not identify with Chabad, for various reasons. Instead of putting up posters, find out why they don’t identify with Chabad.
Could someone put what the sign means in english. Eitherway let people dress the way they want, its their chice. On the other had if you want to live in villiamsburg!!! CH live one!……
why not accept good advice when others offer it!
lets not be judgmental, lets be tolerant of them, lets show sensitivity to their point of view, lets be open minded!
being open minded & tolerant to ideas is nit just when you like whats being said…
whoever they are! the truth is the truth!
why attack the messenger?!
the message is 100% valid, & in our interest!
if more families followed… surely we would have far less tragedies!!
these are NOT my words these are the Rebbe’s word!
If these Williamsburg types can’t deal with a woman who’s modestly dressed but just going about her business, running errands, they shouldn’t come here. I get the feeling they’re obsessed with women, the way Hitler y”s obsessed with the Jews.
how dare they have such a sign near a pizza shop!
i know exactly who put them up a family member of mine was involved and it was a inside job!
its insane the way kingston ave looks! its embaressing! arent we the rebbes children? we should be setting a good example for the rest of the world!
The Williamsburg protesters that came the other week to Crown Heights were taken aback at the way the local spectators were dressed. So they came back and put up these obviously not Chabad-style posters. Since they don’t have posters that specifically ask/direct women to dress tznius, the closest they have are posters requesting that women move aside when men approach and not talk on cell-phones in the street.
Take it or leave it as you wish!
OK well we have a choice we can either live in the real world and admit crown heights has the worst level of tznius of any frum community in the world, or we can make are selfs feel good and live in cloud kokoo land and claim most women are tznius and its not what it looks like ect ect as a 23 year old boucher i understand that the mother is role model for the children, and that’s why i have turned down so many girls on the basis of tznius am starting to consider looking outside lubavitch!!!
Good nerve the guy who put it
What is wrong with walking along a side so as to NOT “accidentally” bump into a man (or anyone else) when you’re walking (strutting) down Kingston ave.?!
Additionally, just to make things clear – when women and girls walk around with mini-skirts, flip-flops, no stockings or socks, tight fitting and see-through clothes – these are not denigrating to women? By exposing more and more of a woman’s body – this brings more honor and respect to women?
say what you want but the truth hurts. unfortunately most of the young ones do not dress b’tznius, but very “prost”. Even their language and mannerism is not refined, and there is a lot of work to be done.
There is no need to dress out of style and lookugly, but there is a way to dress according to the fashion IN A REFINED MANNER!
I just came from Nshei chabad session and oholei menachem was packed. Hundreds of woman k’ah who came out on shabos afternoon cuz they know how the Rebbe encouraged this convention. Hundreds of women and guess what ? Everyone I saw was dressed tznius. when are you all going to stop spreading falseness that most of our community does not dress properly. I am also a teacher in a CH preschool and mothers bring their children to school . Yes there are those who do not dress properly but from a class of 15 students 14 are true examples of… Read more »
SO WHAT THE HECK IS WRONG WITH THAT?
43 is absolutely correct especially the first paragraph It hit the fan and now we have this.LET US WORK ON RESPECTING RABBONIM AND HALACHA we can turn it around.
Look carefuly to the poster. The letters used are typical from Satmar or Williamsburg pashkavilim. It’s obvious that Lubavitchers are not behind that initiative. It’s nothing else than a provocative move from outsiders. It’s not the way of Lubavitch, and moreover, how many pashkavilim written in yiddish do you see in Crown Heights? Those Satmar who did that were not informed that in Crown Heights, we use English or Lashon HaKodesh in our daily lives, and not (sadly) yiddish.
not realise that its inapropriate to list all the detailes of the way women dressed. do you know men also see this website?
and about the issue itself; yes, we realy do have an issue. and i belive its only due to the schools being too tolarent. othe communities also have yetzer horas, but they know if they want their kids in school, they gotta behave.
lubavitch are orthodox jews. tznius is not a hidur.. unfortunately the people telling the tznius police to disappear are killing us
Why should the halacha of tznius be important to ppl in CH if the Rabbonim who are there to uphold halocha are not respected? Show your community respect to the Rabbonim and watch what will unfold.
your making a big mistake.
true yiddishkeit is between you and hashem.
however the streets arent the place for your ideology.
it needs to be respected,especialy for our kids.
and what about respect for a community.
you wouldnt go to another community disrespecting
i bet if you really read this,you would realize you r mistakew
good luck to you
instead of these signs, maybe we should post pictures of the women and girls who walk around dressed inappropriately?
First of all unfortunately girls in Crown Heights don”t read Yiddish. Secondly, this is not our way anyway. A lady should only walk on the side of the sidewalk? This is an Hungarian style who Koch Zich in these things. We stand way above all this.
#17 and#27 are basically correct let us be honest and give it the necessary thought this area deserves
I am very sad to admit that I am embarassed to walk in Crown Heights when I watch women especially young girls who dress with very tight shells underneath tight short-sleeve shirts and tight jean skirts (whether long or shirt) that show the outline of their bottoms.
Who do they think they are fooling? Do they really think they are tznius?????
It is a real busha, and I have to say it is the parents that are to blame.
Before any woman walks outside their home, think whether the Rebbe would approve.
i was at the supermarket and i held myself back from telling off
off a woman who was dressed barely covered. i am totally
embarrassed to say i live in ch. how and when did this all
happen?
thank you for establishing the fact that women should live in boxes thats a really enlightening statement it reallys shows how little you know
love the controversy this is so much fun
You must have been looking really hard for low necklines, short skirts and bare feet. I was there and don’t recall seeing any of that…I saw plenty of well dressed, tznius women. Were there not tznius women? Sure, but a minority…
every animal shows off its legs. the girls and women who walk around reveling their flesh are no better then baal chai. That’s the difference between humans especially bnos melachim who have CLASS and DIGNITY
awith all the men in kollel women have to work out of the house to support their famillies………….
once a upon a time l was in woman’s liberation moment,it’s very funny cause they say the same thing as we do.”lf you wish for the world to respect you,then keep yourself covered in a nice way”and this is from woman’s liberation,l was wondering what the woman’s role was in yiddishkeit and it’s the same thing,plus other things
At least somebody is trying to do something about it. This is unfortunately a known problem and I do not live anywhere near CH but have heard this many times. Sad actually.
lets face it theres problemls with tznius but whoever is ment to see this sign wont realize its them and whoever is tzniusdik is gona get insulted so wats the point
TO # 37 i agree with you
Maybe the sign should be in English, I don’t know if the ones not drest Tznius know Yiddish!
Excuse me, but I am Tznius and I was by the parade, with a sheitel and Long skirt, covered elbows, and collar bone etc. So don’t say EVERY knee and neckline etc.
I couldn’t believe what I was seeing. Girls had actually CUT their colors out of their Tznius LONG SLEEVED t-shirt, to make it more open (and wore the color as a head band) What a pity on them 🙁
Does anyone relays the real store here Kingston pizza got and A from the health department
Where have we gone wrong???? So many places, I don’t know where to begin. There is no respect for authority, everone thinks they have a say and they are boss. The Rebbe instilled certain people into positions that he felt were needed and then others come along with their own personal agendas, making fights everywhere you turn. If there is no respect for halacha and torah how can you expect a woman to respect herself and dress appropriately. Just like you wouldn’t leave your diamonds and jewels open and exposed to all elements, you obviously don’t think you are worth… Read more »
How do you the know the women and girls you saw were Chabad???
Do you know how many females from OUTSIDE Lubavitch came to the PARADE?!
Many of whom were dressed like that were NOT CHABAD – I have seen for myself.
B”H Chabad has a lot of tznius role models to look upto – yes there are many that still have to work on themselves – but many who are BH very Tznius!
can’t read Yiddish. Try posting in txt…LOL!
tznius comes from the inside!!!
woman were never supposed to be seen in the streets they should be at home cooking for their husbands and taking care of their children what has our world come to aibershter zol uphitin who decided that woman should be allowed to parade in the streets in an untzniusdicke fashion we all know they only do it for one reason,,,,,, rachmana litzlan they should learn to emulate sarah emainu who was hidden in a box by her husband,,,,, the ways of the world are taking over our society the woman in mitzrayim were the first to stand up for the… Read more »
we need to start a patroll to keep this new Taliban out of ch
i don’t live in ch but am there regularly (live in ny area) and was there for the parade. could not BELIEVE what i was seeing, every skirt above the knee, every neckline scooped down, tichels just barely covering the front (not sheitels, and they were in public), short skirts over leggings and no tights/socks on the feet, tight tight tight everything… it’s disgusting, degrading, insulting to the Rebbe, and has dragged the name of Lubavitch thru the mud even more than the Moshiach stuff because this crosses all political lines.
A woman that has no dignity or shame is the lowest of the low.
I pray every day that my daughters never fall to that level, ch”v.
By 4PM Friday nearly all the signs were gone. I don’t know who took them down, but I suppose they have the same right to take signs down as the peoploe who put them up had the right to put them up.
hopefully it will gain good response at least to some levei. every little bit counts.and brings BROCHOS
Yes, I stand by my previous comment: this sign is DISGUSTING! And I’m saying this because I understand what the sign is saying (unlike most of you who just tells me that the truth hurts). It’s saying: all women, you are garbage; you’re an object, when men come move to the side.
Let me tell you that coming to Crown Heights from Los Angeles is a shock when it comes to tznius! A Baalas Teshuvah in our community felt overdressed when attending the L’chaim of her son. All the girls had dresses above the knee!
It would be nice to know what it translates into English. If it does say something about women stepping aside for men, well they truly have it backwards, as they must hate their mothers too.
Where have we gone wrong!!!!!!
#15 is the standard psychobabble excuse for people justifying their low self-esteem and poor midos. That is a non-nonsensical argument because if its “between you and G-d”, then you would do the right thing as HE wants–if you truly have a respectful relation with the one who clearly states in Torah what is the difference between right & otherwise…period. A genuine person sees through this technique of turning things around to make the moral person look intolerant. This is a modern day social ill.
dos this have anything to mendy hendals new project?
The Rrabanim should organize classes in ALL BUILDINGS AND BLOCKS and clearify what is TZNIUS for a women who calls herself CHABAD. It is not fair or Bekovodik to our Rebbe and certainly our Rebbe does not deserve that everyone should degrade LUBAVITCH because of a few rotton apples.
What’s next on the slippery slope? No shaitel, pants chas Vesholom. This has gone is a little to far!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why does it say the woman should “step aside” when a ma approaches?
maybe the men should “step aside” when the woman approach.
it doesnt say anything about how to dress. it says that when a woman sees a man walking in the street she must move aside and that its improper for a woman to talk on a cell phone. so yes it is an absolutely disgusting and degrading sign. when are we gonna move into this century? The rebbe never disrespected women and neither should we.
ure right tznius does mean looking good but it also means dressing according to halcha you could look vey good dressing tznius and being in the proper guidlines of halacha but unfourtunatly face the fact most women/girls of lubavitch are not dressing that way
face the fact and improve
spookyyyyyy!!!! this is “deffinityl” gana help
very smart @#10!!
this letter was written with love not with disdain.
feel the love
and respond with love
A respectful sign is a good way to inspire people.
The point is okay but the advertising is not. Modesty on the women’s part, must come jointly with respect from the men. You don’t write on a sign that when a man comes towards you, you should move to the side. That Seems very denigrating.
Although tznius impacts the Parnasa of the whole family, Nachas etc
this approach of putting up signs is NOT the answer
those who have this problem are not lacking info
they are lacking self esteem, self love, love for their children is blinded by their emotional desperation for attention
send them back….
What I find funny about this is that the sign is in Yidish… All the people that would probably take the time to read the sign in Yidish and actually UNDERSTAND Yidish are prob already dressing tzniusdeck! I am one of the women that this sign was prob directed to, and trust me, I would just walk on by not even realizing what it said. But, even if it was in English, I would not necessarily change my standard because I sign is requesting me to.. I am working on my Hashkafa level at my own pace, and I am… Read more »
the only ppl treating women like 3rd class citizens are the women.
when you dress (more like, not dress) without any regard to your body, your selling yourself worthless…are your best qualities your bodily assets (no pun intended)?? dont you have more to offer the world than that??
think about that women of the world!
The only ones getting upset about these signs are the guilty ones.
What does Williamsburg have to do with this? Did you see how some women are walking on our streets here in Crown Heights?
Unfortunately we have a problem here and women are not treated as third class citizens when they adhere to G-d and His Torah.
that most people who need this won’t be able to understand it.
they have no right to put up signs like that
most girls and women dress tznius they just dress nicer then those of flatbush and other places so it seems as if they are not as tznius!! people think that tznius means dressing bad and not looking good and thats what they want the women and girls of CH to dress. this will never happen as lubavitch girls and the best dressed then any other frum crowed in the world!! 2 thumbs up for the girls and ladies in lubavitch
Because we have a problem
whats going on in crown heights? that is one of the most disgusting signs i have ever y cant these people from wily keep out of crown heights
This is a disgusting sign. I can’t believe that you actually posted it. We are not in new squre where they treat wome like third class citizens.
Not to long ago I saw similar signs hanging all over williamsburg, why are they coming here?
Is this connected to the chasidishe guys from Williamsburg who were demonstrating in crown heights a few weeks ago??
nice try but,as if that will help….
Dear Friends in CH,
The Tznius in Flatbush is much better than in CH.
We need to work hard to better this.
Thank you.