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Parents, Can You Please Let Us Do Our Job in Camp

From the COLlive inbox: A counselor at an overnight summer camp writes that some parents fail to understand that respecting boundaries is essential for the well-being of the children and the staff. Full Story

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On the other hand...
July 1, 2023 10:01 pm

Camp staff should respect the parent – who is actually the bottom line person – responsible for the child and usually knows what is best and has the most experience with that child. It sounds like you are protecting the counselor. It’s a learning experience to deal with parents – which must be done at any chinuch setting.

Bracha Miriam
Reply to  On the other hand...
July 2, 2023 9:47 am

To the author, I feel your pain. It’s annoying to have parents constantly on your back. Besides for being a nonstop headache, “helicopter” parents cause you to doubt yourself because they implicitly question your ability to counselor. However, parents tend to care about their children more than camp counselors—especially when the counselors are 18-year-old bachurim who’ll go crying to their own parents a week after camp when they receive their first $5 knas for sleeping through chassidus. And moreover, parents are paying top dollar to send their children to camp. It’s their fiscal responsibility to ensure that they get their… Read more »

Parents like you....
Reply to  Bracha Miriam
July 2, 2023 1:42 pm

Umm, why exactly do you need daily reports from your sons counselors, learning teachers and lifeguards?

As a reminder
Reply to  Bracha Miriam
July 2, 2023 1:51 pm

All of those staff you mentioned get paid next to nothing, so if you’re getting daily reports, or even weekly or whatnot, make sure tip very nicely. It’s really not a tip, just paying for the services they’re providing you

Wiseguy with solid experience
Reply to  Bracha Miriam
July 3, 2023 5:01 am

Why don’t you hire your own counselor, making your own camp at home, keeping a 24/7 eye and communication open just in case someone/something is not exactly 100% were it should be according to your standards. It’s really your only option Not many people are as gifted as you seam to reflect or have the time to process so many multiple tasks and still have some time to rest/sleep or just recharge in order to function in a normal and responsible way. Good luck on your perfect control world journey . Please make sure the medications didn’t already expired and… Read more »

Parent
Reply to  Bracha Miriam
July 4, 2023 1:56 pm

WELL SAID! I would also add that when a counselor sees a parent being involved, regardless if its camp or school only good can come out of it in my opinion. Yes, not being excessive or disrespectful is a given.

Fax
July 1, 2023 10:02 pm

Agree

WORRIED MOM!
July 1, 2023 10:12 pm

I definitely agree to this to an extent, and appreciate the perspective from a counselor point of view. however I do believe that it’s only natural for a parent to be concerned about there child, especially if the child is young, or first time going off to camp. It can be very difficult for the parents. I do belibe that speaking to parents once a week May not be enough (for the younger kids specifically) I do believe that as a mother’s we should have the opportunity to know how our kid is doing day in day out…. Maybe there… Read more »

From a counselor
Reply to  WORRIED MOM!
July 2, 2023 3:56 am

Mothers should 100% be thinking about their children and if they need to communicate with their child they should. However, this should not be through the counselors. The counselors should not be in contact with the parents for many reasons. The parents can contact the camp office, director etc.

Communication
Reply to  From a counselor
July 2, 2023 7:28 am

The points in the article and this comment from a counselor are VALID. When my children were in camp we didn’t have WhatsApp. However, if we had, I probably would have been one of the ones whatssaping counselors too much because it didn’t work al pi Teva to get in touch with the camp administrative staff or directors with real questions I mean and then the overthinking/worrying kicks in. Maybe this would help: Nowadays the parents can have a chat that someone from camp staff can be on and that can be helpful. Sometimes a lot of parents have similar… Read more »

A simple solution
July 1, 2023 10:13 pm

Counselors, put away your phones

From a counselor
Reply to  A simple solution
July 2, 2023 3:57 am

If the parents are texting us then we can’t put our phones away

So
Reply to  From a counselor
July 2, 2023 8:33 am

So you want to have your phones but not us parents texting you?

Huh?
Reply to  From a counselor
July 2, 2023 9:04 am

Why not? Just put it away and don’t answer

And then
Reply to  Huh?
July 2, 2023 2:22 pm

Get complaints later and less (very deserved..) tips?

Yes you can
Reply to  From a counselor
July 2, 2023 4:54 pm

There is no law that you need to be a available to others. Ever. Your responsibility is to the kids. Be there for them. Fully.

100
July 1, 2023 10:14 pm

Couldn’t have been better stated. One more point if you harass the counselor/learning teacher they will start to have a negative feeling toward the parents. There is zero advantage to harassment. If you need something using the regular channels is always best

How about
July 1, 2023 10:36 pm

How can a counselor even be expected to do their with possession of a smart phone?

How can a teenager give even a basic level of supervision of the children with all the many distractions these devices offer?

I know this isn’t about the issue of parents contacting the counselors, but I’m trying to imagine how this works

By a counselor of many summers before there was Wi-Fi in Camp

Because
Reply to  How about
July 2, 2023 2:23 pm

Hashem made the solution before the problem. Idk what it is exactly but don’t worry about it too much

However
July 1, 2023 10:37 pm

Although the points brought up in the article are certainly valid, many camps today still operate as if it’s still the 90’s. Campers get dropped off at the beginning of the week to only hear about the child on erev Shabbos. Consider a new parent, the worry and longing can be tremendous. In 2023, parents expect more. Counselors would not need be contacted via unofficial channels, if camp were to send a simple message on the second day of camp, acknowledging that they have the camper, that they are alive and well and happy. A picture wouldn’t hurt. How about… Read more »

Mother
Reply to  However
July 2, 2023 9:19 am

Yes! Totally agree! Well said

USSR?????????????
Reply to  However
July 3, 2023 9:09 am

LETS GOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
btw the way to all parents we are all actually hired by the kgb to brainwash ur kids….
MWAHAHAHA!!!!

TELL ME, WHAT MOVIES ARE U WATCHING? חי בחסרט mother
IS THAT NORMAL, DO U THINK WE ARE TRYING TO HIDE UR KIDS WITHOLD INFORMATION????????
we are running a camp we have more important stuff to deal with, so why dont u just relax and enjoy the peace and quiet at home

Well said
July 1, 2023 10:42 pm

can’t agree more and I’m a parent !

Parent really...
Reply to  Well said
July 2, 2023 4:09 am

We would be very worried if you were not

Overwhelmed camp counselor
July 1, 2023 10:47 pm

100% agree

Couldn't Agree More
July 1, 2023 10:48 pm

It’s ridiculous how ust minutes after I get my bunks names, I have parents texting me like I have all the patience in the world. We signed up to counselor 13 campers, not 13 campers AND 13 parents. Also kids hear that their parents texted us and we didn’t respond, and the whole bunk is going nuts…. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let us do our jobs, and if there is something you need to know, we WILL let you know. Thank you and have a Gutte Voch!

Spoken like a child
Reply to  Couldn't Agree More
July 2, 2023 12:53 pm

When the day comes and you have children of your own, you’ll see that it doesn’t work that way, the kids are young and the parents are concerned. You won’t understand it until you are in their place

Where's your gratitude
Reply to  Spoken like a child
July 2, 2023 2:26 pm

If you don’t want this counselor to be your child’s counselor, don’t send your kids to camp

Put away your phone
July 1, 2023 10:50 pm

Why does a counselor carry around his phone? Put it away so your focus on the kids. As an added benefit you won’t see the messages from the parents.

Try this
Reply to  Put away your phone
July 2, 2023 8:35 am

Just tell the parents that you don’t have your phone with you during the summer and you’ll be free. Lol.

Put away your phone...
Reply to  Put away your phone
July 2, 2023 10:33 am

Why does a parent carry around his/her phone? Put it away so your focus is on the kids. As an added benefit you won’t see messages from your in-laws

Agree
July 1, 2023 10:54 pm

….However, from experience it’s not easy to get thru when important issues come up, and there needs to be a way parents can reach the counselor directly.
Perhaps it would be a good idea to designate a specific time in the day when messages will be answered.
Thank you for bringing this up….
As usual- working things out in a positive way and communicating is the best way …..

Someone who relates
July 1, 2023 10:56 pm

This is so true and I hope all the parents that read this understand that it’s literally the point of camp: To be away from home, gain independence and leave the mothers.
Your children Are being properly taken care of.
Especially being the rebbes camp where The Rebbe said that it’s to be away from the mothers who sometimes (even todays generation) can have a influence on the children lacking of Chayus and chasidishkeit/Yiddishkeit which they may not achieve in school…
Something to think about ….

As a counselor
July 1, 2023 10:59 pm

As a counselor I see this very much. For example I had a kid who was doing fine, then his parent had “just one message for him”. What happened after was a camper having constant contact with his parents. Which only made him more homesick.
So I’d line to really thank that parent for making the summer harder for everyone

Unavailable
July 1, 2023 11:02 pm

Counsellors should be UNAVAILABLE for any communications from ANYONE other than
1) the camp director;
2) head counsellor;
3) section head
during the time he is on duty – I. E. until his campers are asleep.

Really?
Reply to  Unavailable
July 2, 2023 10:23 am

Are you doing the Same thing when you’re at home with your children?!

Unavailable
July 1, 2023 11:09 pm

This also goes for the girls’ camps

Yes!
July 1, 2023 11:16 pm

Very well written! I myself am a counselor in a sleep away camp and can attest to this article. Thank you to the author!

A four year experienced counsellor
July 1, 2023 11:17 pm

I fully agree with all of the above

Lol
July 1, 2023 11:19 pm

Words of wisdom spoken by a nice youngster. Plenary of years of life experience to know what is best is for each child… I have a bridge to sell you too.

In my opinion
Reply to  Lol
July 2, 2023 9:49 am

I would venture to say that if you think your child won’t work with the regular approach, it may be best not to send him to camp.

Camps are not specialized and tailored educational facilities.

Because
Reply to  Lol
July 2, 2023 2:35 pm

You don’t like or agree with what he said you have to put him down? Have a little humility and also see if you can lift yourself up
And by the way, counselors are people as well. With brains. They deal with your kids, his/her family, and many others, so maybe they do understand something that you could learn from them

So true
July 1, 2023 11:26 pm

But some camps they’re literally nobody to talk to. Maybe they need to hire a camp mom!!!!

Wrong on all counts
July 1, 2023 11:43 pm

I love it when counselors fresh out of diapers give parenting advice. Children are very nervous going to camp, life is more fragile nowadays. The parents know what is best for their kids. Parents need to be in the loop and help direct how to have their kids adjust properly. The days of “let the kid rough it out” are over. Camps should be required now to have the counselors call the parents before camp starts so that they can share what is important to know about their child. Additionally the children should know who their bunkmates are before getting… Read more »

Helicopter parent
Reply to  Wrong on all counts
July 2, 2023 3:02 am

Keep your kid at home then, why are you sending him to camp?
Camp isn’t a babysitting service

Then don’t send them!
Reply to  Wrong on all counts
July 2, 2023 3:05 am

I started camp at 10, cried for exactly 2 nights from homesickness, and then didn’t think about my parents until visiting day, other than our once weekly phone time, at a pay phone, with six other girls lined up behind me and three quarters in my hand. Same for the rest of my bunk. If your delicate flower is too nervous to spend a month away without calling mommy and totty every night, consider not sending them until they’re ready.

Sincerely,
Camper turned frustrated staffer

You are clearly in need of a counselor yourself
Reply to  Wrong on all counts
July 2, 2023 4:59 am

Based on your great input/responce a) Price of camp just increased b) A second (communication/report) counselor will be hired providing immediate info/videos response so parents could feel safe/sound c) Life video/audio cameras will be installed at every possible angle (just in case your child NEEDS your immediate attention d) Every counselor will be wearing a chest active (police) camera e) Parents will be able to come/appear at camp in designated area at all (24H) times f) Children will have a Special phone in their bunk supplied by the camp just in case the child miss his/her parents “very much” ,… Read more »

Mom
Reply to  Wrong on all counts
July 2, 2023 9:10 am

While yes, the counselors are young, some respect would be in order, especially as they are going to be taking care of your kid for the whole month or two. “Just out of diapers”??? Come on, be respectful.

"fresh out of diapers"
Reply to  Wrong on all counts
July 2, 2023 9:12 am

So why on earth are you entrusting your kids in their care? Either you trust them, or you don’t.
If you don’t, being in touch via whatsapp is not gonna cut it anyway. If you do enough to put your kid in their care, let them do their job.

It was done
Reply to  Wrong on all counts
July 2, 2023 12:22 pm

Actually in fact in CGI Parksville the head counslers called every parent before camp to speak to each mother to hear their concerns. So after that there is no reason for them to call the counslers

Also very important
Reply to  Wrong on all counts
July 2, 2023 2:43 pm

Besides seeking out help re parenting/psychology/thereapy as many pointed out,
please please make sure you pay your kids counselors 500 min each. I’m not joking. Do the math for any normal job and that’s way below minimum wage

Pay
Reply to  Wrong on all counts
July 3, 2023 4:51 pm

Boys and girls go to camp as staff to help your kid have the best summer possible they don’t get paid near to what they deserve if you want to lay out more money for a premium service I’m sure you can Pay more

Interesting
July 1, 2023 11:45 pm

Interesting article, oh please!
most of the counsellors are young and immature
I wouldn’t think of them of being responsible and able to properly take care of children.
The author is speaking as if they are a older mature adult with years of experience and a degree,

Hire a babysitter
Reply to  Interesting
July 2, 2023 2:57 am

If you don’t trust camps/counselors, keep him home and hire a babysitter

Inaccurate
Reply to  Interesting
July 2, 2023 11:21 pm

These counselors will be raising their own children a mere few years after caring for yours. Of course they can’t be compared to a seasoned mom, but they can definitely be responsible and capable of taking care of children. I’ve already been a counselor for three years, and I can’t speak for others, but I actually care. Each child is very precious to me and I give them all I’ve got. I might be a few decades younger than you, and I don’t know what you were like at my age, but please don’t judge. And most importantly, patience and… Read more »

Concerned parent
July 1, 2023 11:53 pm

As a parent to multiple kids in camp and that were in camp I understand the devotion the the counselors have towards to the kids and I am very grateful for all there hard work and as a parent I can understand the want to contact the counselors at all time but I know my limits.

Therefore I would really like to give it up to the counselors who really put their whole heart into their job keep it up

Irresponsible, reaching out to a counselor
July 1, 2023 11:57 pm

Imagine if a pilot would take calls from passengers, Have a nice, good & healthy summer and please give your kids the necessary space & time to grow
If ( you really have) any (real) concerns call camp management

Now imagine
Reply to  Irresponsible, reaching out to a counselor
July 2, 2023 6:27 am

Now imagine a pilot who is taking calls from everyone EXCEPT the passengers….

Perhaps it’s better off that’s the pilot at least be talking to and about the passengers themselves

Exactly
Reply to  Now imagine
July 4, 2023 11:45 pm

So let the pilot run the show.
If the plane is flying nicely and everyones had a great time, simply appreciate it and say thank you. Especially because he or she is hardly getting paid

Veteran counselor
July 2, 2023 12:01 am

I couldn’t agree more

Young Counsler’s watching small children
July 2, 2023 12:08 am

While parents should not be constantly calling or texting counselors, they should have a contact with camp and know what is going on. They should be getting a weekly report on how their children are doing. Unfortunately I have seen misbehavior of counselors towards their campers. Counselors are very young and watching young children, so if there was proper training and guidance parents wouldn’t be as concerned.

Parent
July 2, 2023 12:12 am

While the counselors are on the phone a whole day ?? Facebook TikTok twitter etc etc

If That's Thee Case
Reply to  Parent
July 2, 2023 2:48 am

Don’t send your kid to camp, our job is to entertain them the WHOLE day, instead of at home when they’re out in school till 4 o’clock and then spend the next 7 hours on their smart device! Please, some appreciation is accepted!

Tiktok maybe
Reply to  Parent
July 2, 2023 10:30 am

But not Facebook. This is a different generation ppl.

Sign of the Times
July 2, 2023 12:16 am

When these parents were campers, there was no way for parents to bombard staff. No cell phone, no whatsapp, no texting. Parents, calm down and chill out.

Sincerely,
A fellow parent

And when
Reply to  Sign of the Times
July 2, 2023 6:28 am

And when these parents were counselors, they didn’t have cell phones with them distracting them 24/6

words of wisdom
Reply to  Sign of the Times
July 3, 2023 9:20 am

i sincerely respect u for that

100% agree
July 2, 2023 12:20 am

This has been a big problem for many years now in camps! As a former counselor in camp, this presented a yearly problem for me and countless others I was with. Thank you for writing this important article

Agreed!!
July 2, 2023 12:32 am

Also, parents are totally fine with going to a restaurant and tipping 18% and for some reason comes to the person who’s getting paid Pennie’s to take care of their children for the summer and $100 bucks does the job!

Take a chill
Reply to  Agreed!!
July 2, 2023 3:00 am

After paying more than 2k a month for each kid. 100$ tip is amazing!
Complain to your camp for a raise!

$100?
Reply to  Agreed!!
July 2, 2023 10:39 am

Which camp is has parents tipping $100? I want to go there

100$ !!!!!!!
Reply to  Agreed!!
July 3, 2023 4:58 pm

I’d be happy with a 20$ the camp should pay more

You want no more than a $20 tip?
Reply to  100$ !!!!!!!
July 4, 2023 11:47 pm

Obviously not a counselor lol

No cell phones
July 2, 2023 12:32 am

Why are counselors on their phones? Why are their phones in camp?

Seems like this article could have been solved at the camp directors desk.

Really?
Reply to  No cell phones
July 2, 2023 10:31 am

Is your phone off during work?!

Counselor
Reply to  Really?
July 3, 2023 10:56 pm

Yes
I counsel people and my phone is off

Great example
Reply to  Counselor
July 4, 2023 11:50 pm

Check out the difference of pay. You get paid in a few sessions what counselors get paid for two months of hard work

A counselor
July 2, 2023 12:35 am

As a second year counselor, I can affirm that this is 100 per cent true. Let us do our job.

Maybe
Reply to  A counselor
July 2, 2023 6:28 am

Don’t bring your cell phone to camp

As a parent
Reply to  Maybe
July 2, 2023 2:48 pm

Maybe you shouldn’t brink it to work or whenever your children are home to give them the proper care..

How old is this counselor?
July 2, 2023 12:37 am

The author exhibits tremendous confidence and experience. Yet at the same his complaints betray the exact opposite: lack of confidence, and even less experience. Taking to the airwaves to announce to the parent body — the majority of whom are far more experienced and mature — how wrong they are, expresses arrogance and a total lack of self awareness. May I suggest you either quit, or confer with your mashpiah or parents, and remind yourself why you took this job in the first place. Any issues you have with particular parents should be addressed directly with them, and I’m sure… Read more »

Lol
Reply to  How old is this counselor?
July 2, 2023 3:01 am

You should quit, but thank you for your hard work 😉

Arrogance?
Reply to  How old is this counselor?
July 2, 2023 3:03 am

The only arrogance I see is someone who thinks they inherently know more for no other reason than their age. And tells the younger one to quit, just because he’s younger.
The author has a point regardless of his age

News for you
Reply to  How old is this counselor?
July 2, 2023 2:51 pm

This article is from every counselor. So what happens is:
1. They quit
2. No camp to send your kids to
3. Your kids are at home
4. You’re crying in bed wishing you never wrote that one comment

Agree
July 2, 2023 12:51 am

As a parent, I agree 100%

Bravo
July 2, 2023 1:01 am

Big thank you to be the first to publicly write about a issue gone unaddressed for too long

Overwhelming?
July 2, 2023 1:46 am

Suppose a counselor gets overwhelmed by a parent contacting him. How can he properly handle a bunk of campers? (I am sure there are more overwhelming aspects to being a counselor) Is the counselor really paying attention to “the child’s sense of independence and personal growth, self-reliance, decision-making skills, and problem-solving abilities”?(Wow! The camps have gotten really professional!) Also, if the camp is genuinely structured, how does the child learn to be independent? (They can always turn to their counselors, who are mentors, caregivers, and role models. I thought those positions took away independence, “Parents.”) Have a happy summer filled… Read more »

If you don't like the way camps are run
Reply to  Overwhelming?
July 2, 2023 2:53 pm

Don’t send your kids.
Or open your camp with all of the above garbage

101% agree!!!
July 2, 2023 1:54 am

Yes parents! Trust your nine year old with a 19 year old counselor who has never had children himself and never had experience taking care of the physical, emotional, academic and spiritual well being of a single kid – never mind 15 campers.

Just trust your most precious children with this counselor without question or concern!

And certainly, don’t believe any of the stories of bullying, kids falling between the cracks, or counselor inexperience or misbehavior! None of this could ever happen to your kid!

By the way, we are packed, so no discounts and no questions.

From a parent. Seriously ?
Reply to  101% agree!!!
July 2, 2023 11:09 am

You do realize you send your kids to camp willingly.?
Have respect for the 24/7 work these guys do!
And if you don’t like it don’t send your kids!
Let them stay home on their phones and suck up all the garbage of the internet.
If only parents realized how much garbage and inappropriate content their children watch every day.
Come on parents. Wake up !

Agree!
July 2, 2023 2:11 am

Coming from a parent I see clearly the improvement in my kids when they have a chance to grow independently in a good atmosphere like gan yisroel

Author has a point but
July 2, 2023 3:09 am

1. There may be some helicopter parents who drive counselors crazy with texting, but I don’t think all parents are like that.
2. Why do you have to respond to each text? You can put phone on silent mode etc so you don’t see the texts during work time.
3. Parents have a point when they say they deserve to have communication about their children on a weekly basis.
4. Parents communicating with campers via the counselor’s phone is not good. Should be done via camp administration/head counselors.

If you don’t like it don’t send your kids
July 2, 2023 3:15 am

This is coming from a camp that has a full time staff member for communication but the parents anyway go and contact the counselors and “buy out” (whether they even tip well) their whole summer harassing the counselors or showing up to camp when they have a rule against that! Parents: if you can’t follow the rules you expect your kids too? Camp has policies camp has the way it runs and respect that! Contact the camp the way the camp has set up to do it and leave the poor 18 year old who has enough to deal with… Read more »

How about....
July 2, 2023 3:50 am

…. a clause in the written paraphernalia of the camp, to set a protocol for this situation. Perhaps set a specific limit to calls and specific explanations as to what type of call will be responded to.

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Wake up Yiden
July 2, 2023 5:24 am

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Can't fathom
July 2, 2023 6:38 am

When I sent my older kids to Camp the staff’s flip phones didn’t work on campgrounds due to lack of service. Now, the counselors (bochurim in zal!!!) bring smart phones and tables they use over camp’s wifi.

Please draw your own conclusions…..

I guess
July 2, 2023 6:44 am

I guess an important component of an enjoyable summer for a staff member is being on WhatsApp 24/6

Don't give your phone number
July 2, 2023 7:16 am

Call parents from office phone, why give out your phone number?

Counselor
Reply to  Don't give your phone number
July 2, 2023 12:00 pm

A lot of times the parents will do research to find what their number is- the parent has a nephew who’s a staff in camp, who says who their child’s counselor are, etc etc

Not just counselors but teachers as well
July 2, 2023 8:29 am

As a teacher, I could also struggle with the same issues. Not sure what the answer is…

Phones don’t belong in school
Reply to  Not just counselors but teachers as well
July 2, 2023 3:52 pm

Our responsibility in school is to be a safe and present presence for the children.

My 2 cents
July 2, 2023 8:42 am

I don’t want to argue with you.

But the idea that the campers are not to be in touch at all with their parents or getting any messages from them is the same as you the counselors coming to Camp without any phones. I think it’s either or.

But here we have counselors with smartphones and all the distractions that come along with them, and the campers can’t be in touch.

It seems funny.

Hmmm
Reply to  My 2 cents
July 2, 2023 11:39 pm

Always wondered why everyone stopped sending letters… seems like a wonderful opportunity to pioneer the letter-writing renaissance

Best of both
July 2, 2023 8:54 am

Dear camp counselor,

Seems like you want the best of both worlds; the fun and enjoyment your smart phone offers you, but parents not being allowed to contact you?

I will let others weigh in.

Where did this whole thing start?
Reply to  Best of both
July 2, 2023 11:37 pm

Nothing in the article was about a smart phone. The reason he’s upset is not because the parent is using up his data when they text, it’s that he has the responsibility of 13 boys, while each mother looks at it like her son is the only one, but he has to make sure ALL 13 are eating, and ALL 13 are not getting bullied, and it’s legit a 24 hour job, besides for the fact that kids being kids have no appreciation whatsoever and just complain all day no matter what we do. And on top of that not… Read more »

Written by the camp director
July 2, 2023 9:09 am

Pay the counselors more then $200 in canteen for their 24/7 hard work.

A mul
July 2, 2023 10:04 am

Back in the day parents didn’t helicopter and teenage counselors wouldn’t have the arrogance to write something like this.

Lianyas daati, last generation’s helicopter parents produced this crop of know-it-all kids who are now raising this blowback. Oilom hahphuch.

I'm so confused
July 2, 2023 10:34 am

As an “older” parent who has been sending kids to overnight camp for years. I have never once contacted the counselor directly. I didnt even know it was possible. I’m not sure why I was under the impression that the counselors didnt even have access to their phones. I will say that now that there is no longer visiting day in the camp I send my daughter to, I find it very difficult as a parent to have no real contact with my child for almost a month. If there is an issue going on, with no appropriate parental intervention,… Read more »

Best advise as a camp director
July 2, 2023 11:38 am

We hired rabbi yaakov Chaiton from chinuch through connection This year after debating if it’s needed or not for the last 2 years I can only say and advise Every camp and cheder should hire him It’s changed the whole environment and dynamic of camp Not just between staff and campers But also staff among each other and head staf/directors and staff I can say we have a better more solid camp experience bc of this training and the guidance rabbi Chaiton has given us I am sure I’m not the only one experiencing this however I can only speak… Read more »

Counselor 5783
July 2, 2023 11:59 am

I can tell you that this year I had a camper who was homesick, and he was allowed to call his parents once, now he needs to call them every morning and night or else they’ll sit at the side crying and refusing to do anything. As well I had another camper who was perfectly fine and happy, then he called his parents ONCE, and now he’s homesick and wants to leave camp. Just let your child be in camp. There are plenty of trained adults that are fit to take care of your kid. As well, many camps with… Read more »

Counselor ‘83
July 2, 2023 12:02 pm

If you think your counselor is too young and immature, send him to day camp. That’s the only real option.

The Obvious
July 2, 2023 12:42 pm

Of course it’s harsh, overburdening and distractive to receive 5-10 whatsapps a day from parents. Of course parents are very concerned, especially when there’s an issue. Don’t people realize that having whatsapps and cell phones in camp, which is a respite (albeit one with responsibilities) for counselors too, is a really bad idea and will ruin the counselor’s rest, peace of mind and frame of mind cause parents to write incessantly distract counselors from their duties Sensitive complaints are hard for adults to take. Are we supposed to expect teens to be able to? And are we supposed to expect… Read more »

A counselor
July 2, 2023 12:43 pm

This is so off. What’s the big deal to just respond to parents who are concerned about their child.. as they should be. It doesn’t have to take over your day and change your primary priorities- that’s a little dramatic

10 bonuses for sending son to camp.
July 2, 2023 2:29 pm

Bonus # 1 My sons counselor had no time for communicating with parents but his friends told me he would spend many hours on streaming sites at night. (This counselor was an added benefit for the (2400) i paid for the one month. bonus #2 you get as a parent for $4500 (2 months) You dont get to know who is the one making ruchniusdike decisions in the camp. Its a very big big secret. Bonus # 3 you dont get to know how any audio that is played in camp, be it over the PA system or just from… Read more »

You horribly ungrateful individual
Reply to  10 bonuses for sending son to camp.
July 3, 2023 12:23 am

I cannot believe just how much of a lack of appreciation you have for the hardworking and selfless counselors.
Go complain elsewhere, we don’t want people like you together with our kids in camp

Well written!
Reply to  10 bonuses for sending son to camp.
July 3, 2023 1:03 am

As a former staff member of an overnight camp, this is the unfortunate truth. Every word of it. It MUST be addressed, and the quicker the better.

Side note
Reply to  10 bonuses for sending son to camp.
July 3, 2023 9:37 am

Parksville has a great mashpia and I think other camps have as well. Maybe you could discuss all of your issues with him?

Partially.
Reply to  Side note
July 4, 2023 1:16 am

from what i understand, they only have for the first monthy, not second. Unless something changed.

Two years ago
Reply to  Partially.
July 4, 2023 11:57 pm

When I was there two years ago they had both months

Get phones out of camp
July 2, 2023 3:11 pm

We are not paying too dollar for counselors to be distracted and being bad role models for our kids.

Top dollar
Reply to  Get phones out of camp
July 3, 2023 5:05 pm

While you might be paying top dollar the counselors are getting far from top dollar

Phones
July 2, 2023 3:13 pm

Don’t belong in camp ( or school or while even many times the parent uses it)

A phone can be away

A phone can be on silent.

A phone does not have to be answered in real time.

Parents please!!!
July 2, 2023 3:48 pm

Ask of your camps or anywhere that people are in charge of caring for your children that phones be away.

Our children need present people for their physical and emotional well-being

While you’re at it. Put yours away too

Protect your child from abuse
July 3, 2023 12:08 am

I guarantee you this council will never mess with your child. It may be annoying but definitely reach out to your counselor make sure they know there’s a caring parent behind this kid that will go after him if the child is abused.
An ounce of prevention………

Parental boundaries
July 3, 2023 1:27 am

When I went to camp, it was only letters correspondence, it gave you a real camp experience, this sounds ridiculous, the staff shouldn’t be taking calls from parents and they should block a harassing parent, everything should go to the office, a harassing parent should be reported to the office.

Agreed
July 4, 2023 2:00 pm

My son is in CGI Parksville this summer and I heard from the head staff almost immediately that he was homesick-they were speaking with him, working with him and in constant communication with me. Berel Faiden is an incredible asset to CGI Parksville. He responds quickly and is very much on top of what’s going on. There is absolutely no reason to have to speak to the Counselor (yes, I’ll admit I’d love to but I understand why it’s detrimental! ) if there is good Head staff. It distracts them from their bunks and it’s not fair! Get in touch… Read more »

Suggestion
July 4, 2023 4:04 pm

Why not set up a daily standardized report that each parent can check online every day to find out how their child is progressing b’gashmius u’v’ruchnius.? Maybe give it a daily “report card” format e.g. Subject:Davening, Cooperating in keeping their bed/belongings orderly, Cooperating in swimming/ swimming instruction, Cooperating in arts and crafts activities, Writing home, Socializing well with others, Attending/cooperating during shiurim etc. etc. The counsellor can use this pre-printed format to advise parents of their child’s progress or of a particular area that needs further discussion. It can also inform the parent/guardian which party to contact for such discussion.… Read more »

Nice idea
Reply to  Suggestion
July 5, 2023 12:06 am

I don’t mean to spoil it but I think it might have a bad result for the kids who have parents helicopter, micromanaging, etc etc) that will scream or berate or even just bring the things up “why aren’t you like this, and why didn’t you do this bla bla” and it could ruin the pure and simple fun and bit of freedom the kids could have without someone watching their every move like throughout the year.
From experience

There are real reasons for concern!
July 4, 2023 10:30 pm

Camp staff are usually are kids themselves. Even the director is seldom a mehanech. Our camps do not pay attention to individual children’s needs. My kid was taken of the bus in the middle of the highway for misbehavior and picked up 5 min later. often there is no responsible adult to talk to…

whoa
Reply to  There are real reasons for concern!
July 5, 2023 8:44 pm

If this is a regular occurrence, camps should be shut down.
If I were a parent and my child told me in his weekly phonecall that such an incident had happened, I would pick him up and bring him home and report the incident to CPS. HOw disgusting.

Campdodger
July 5, 2023 3:11 pm

Pardon my ignorance, as I never went to a summer camp and have no plans to send any of my children to a summer camp. But parents who send to camp, here are some questions. Did you go to summer camp? If so, were your parents constantly barraging your counsellors with messages? I guess not, because in those days, there was no what’s app and probably no cell phones. Did you survive? If yes, then why bother your children’s counsellors? They will beH survive. If no, then why on earth are you sending your precious offspring to camp? If you… Read more »

Vaad hachinuch
July 5, 2023 10:18 pm

I think collive should have a best comment contest instead of a purim costume contest

Camp directors
July 6, 2023 12:47 am

There are camp directors that put lev vnefesh into securing a successful summer in all aspects. Instead of driving camp counselors crazy, how about reaching out to the camp administration prior to the beginning of camp to understand how they may deal with issues that arise. I myself sent a daughter to camp and was concerned about how she was doing. Instead of looking for ways to reach the counselors I emailed the director, who promptly took care to reach out to whomever was in charge and I received an answer within a few hours and was told how my… Read more »

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