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    Pardas Chana Backs Out

    Lubavitch girls camp Pardas Chana in Montreal is withdrawing from the Aviva Community Fund's contest. Director Dinie Gurary explains why. Full Story

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    mother
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    mother

    u guys r the best g-d will bless u in another way and he does bless u amennnnnnnn

    Parses chana
    Guest
    Parses chana

    We are proud of you!!!

    Aviva is unfair
    Guest
    Aviva is unfair

    I used all my votes for PC!
    Is there a petition we can write to Aviva to get them to give you the grant without the conditions?
    Either way, Rabbi & Mrs. Gurary, you are the best!!! Thanks for standing strong in all your beliefs.

    Thank you Gurary's
    Guest
    Thank you Gurary's

    You are true shluchim, exemplifying the best chinuch in Lubavitch without psharos and the reason that we have chosen to send our daughters to Pardas Chanah year after year. we are so grateful.

    RABBI AND MRS GURARY ARE AMAZING!!!
    Guest
    RABBI AND MRS GURARY ARE AMAZING!!!
    Kol Hakavod
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    Kol Hakavod

    No doubt Rabbi and mrs Gurary made the right choice! Albeit difficult, our yiddishkeit comes before money. May hashem bless you to receive many donations that you can give grants to all those who need! Keep up the good work.

    sad
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    sad

    This is very sad!!! As this is a great, warm camp and exactly how the Rebbe would want we she educate our children.
    M.L.

    ABubby
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    ABubby

    Very good. This should receive widespread publicity. I have absolutly no connection with this camp but was very impressed by your stance. It is a shame that your application was accepted when you did not meet the criteria. Your efforts and the efforts of your supporters will certainly not go unrewarded.

    PLEASE USE YOUR VOTE FOR FC TORONTO
    Guest
    PLEASE USE YOUR VOTE FOR FC TORONTO
    use the rest of your votes for friendship circle
    Guest
    use the rest of your votes for friendship circle

    I applaud PC for standing strong for Yiddishkeit and Chassidishkeit. Please use the rest of your votes for Friendship Circle so it can go to one of OURS

    Totally agree with all the above
    Guest
    Totally agree with all the above

    The Gurary’s are truly amazing – changed Pardes Chana to a true chassidishe camp where everyone has an amazing summer!
    Keep up the true values and may Hashem pay you back many many more times over!

    duh hey
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    duh hey

    It’s ridiculous to be wowed by PC not accepting the condition, Dinie Gurary is frum, and didn’t post the story to say how much mesiras nefesh they had only to explain why they backed out
    It’s equivalent to someone posting that they will not be serving a certain food as planned because it’s treif and everyone saying kudos, wow, good that you put your foot down.

    upset
    Guest
    upset

    Is there an email address to the people at Aviva that we can write to?

    umm?
    Guest
    umm?

    ANY lubavitch mosod would back down under such conditions

    civil disobedience
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    civil disobedience

    We must not accept this! Did Kohl’s insist on such conditions with their contest in the US? Do we really believe that similar restrictions would be placed on lehavdil, Christian or Muslim (or other) institutions? Were other organizations also told how to conduct their affairs?? This is an assault on our culture and lifestyle. We should not back down.
    We must do something: call Aviva. Make a boycott. Call the newspapers and tell them about this unfairness.

    camp pardes chana
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    camp pardes chana

    pc is really in need of new bunk houses just like u were all so gracious to vote for them, lets see how we can some how raise some funds to help them out, Avremel and Dinie are so ibbergegeben, they are amazing, they are the best, pc is very lucky to have them, as a child i was a camper there and i promise you i wish i could have had directors like them.
    so please even if its $18,$36,$72 or more please they really need it.
    dinie you are the best
    a proud montreal community member

    #10
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    #10

    you are 100% right/
    Are we supposed to be impressed that pc did not cave in and and teach “Interfaith”
    Are we supposed to be impressed that pc did not cave in and change their dress code rules
    Are we supposed to be impressed that pc did not cave in and make learning jewish values “voluntary”.

    HELLO!!!!!!

    Does that turn them into mesirus nefesh HEROES?????
    It is the basic decision you would expect any frum Jew to do!!!!

    the b. 's from n.y.
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    the b. 's from n.y.

    camp pc was there for me 45 years ago when i was a kid, and i’m proud to say my kids have all gone there as well. consistently great, and getting betrter and better under the gurarys. the warmth, and old fashoined family values are what make it special. the aibershter will send you the money, tenfold, from another, kosher way.

    relax
    Guest
    relax

    pc is not writing this to toot their own horn. they are writing this simply to explain why they are no longer part of the contest. simple. so relax. yes anyone would do it, and then they would send in a similar letter so people know. it’s an awareness thing.

    !!!!!
    Guest
    !!!!!

    that must be realy dissapointing
    shame but may hashem send u more then wat their offering b/c u stand in ure belief!
    hatzlochah!

    just wondering
    Guest
    just wondering

    Im just wondering, and this isnt meant to be a nasty comment, arent there camps and organizations that are for one specific religion? Its like having Americans going to a Chinees-only program\camp etc.

    Tip of the Iceberg
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    Tip of the Iceberg

    I deeply applaud the camp’s decision not to bend to PC. Unfortunately, this represents a growing dilemma among Orthodox institutions that rely on government funding. Whoever has the hand on the purse strings calls the shots, and it takes great courage under financial duress to take a stand.

    civil disobedience
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    civil disobedience

    We must not accept this! Did Kohl’s insist on such conditions with their contest in the US? Do we really believe that similar restrictions would be placed on lehavdil, Christian or Muslim (or other) institutions? Were other organizations also told how to conduct their affairs?? This is an assault on our culture and lifestyle. We should not back down.
    We must do something: call Aviva. Make a boycott. Call the newspapers and tell them about this unfairness.

    ybdkf
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    ybdkf

    amazing, money comes from Hashem…and He will give it to you a different way.
    I am sooo proud!

    you can donate here
    Guest
    you can donate here

    For those that want to donate, Camp Pardas Chanah set up a donation page

    http://camppc.com/information/information.htm

    Considerate
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    Considerate

    Thank you for letting us know that we do not have to continue trying to get votes, that is very considerate of you.
    May Hashem grant you the funds through other means.

    #1 camp
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    #1 camp

    dini gurary u r amazing u did so much good for my duaghter this summer hashem will send it other ways

    wow~!
    Guest
    wow~!

    u guys are AMAzing! And what you did spoke more than any amount of moneyt ever can…
    Yasher KOach, and im sure Hashem will reward you guys for your AMAZING shluchis!
    yeah.. cant all those votes go for FC?

    sumgai
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    sumgai

    kol hakavod

    sinas chinam!
    Guest
    sinas chinam!

    these are JEWS not goyim who run aviva!

    A Camp Emuna Parent
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    A Camp Emuna Parent

    i am a person that peaople who know me refer to me as the critic i always hve the negative to say and i am he first one to shoot down these so called mesiras nefesh scenarios, but i hate to break it to you in this case i am actually impressed the administration of pc could have found a way aloophole of some sorts they could have taken down that line from the internet about magazines etc but rather they took the high road unlike some other organizations in lubavitch which only backed out after much pressure i think… Read more »

    NEW fan of pc
    Guest
    NEW fan of pc

    I respect you guys a lot for this decision… Don’t worry Hashem will repay you every cent…;)

    Kol Hakovod PC!!!!!
    Guest
    Kol Hakovod PC!!!!!
    To $#15
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    To $#15

    Are you nuts? This is a private contest and the company giving the money can set the guidelines however they feel. This is not an attack on our way of life … the company doesn’t owe us a cent.

    Agree with #31
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    Agree with #31

    Having worked in organizations that are audited by government I have many times been on the loophole search for a way to say we don’t do something we really do, or we do something we really don’t. The impressive thing here is Pardes Chana not doing any shtick but standing proud and saying “sorry—we won’t change a thing.” In the spirit of Chanukah, similar to Chana’s youngest son who wouldn’t bend down to pick up a ring in front of the idol to give even an appearance of impropriety. Kudos to you. May Hashem bless you with continued success and… Read more »

    wow
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    wow

    Thank you Dinie!!! I’m really proud to say that i go to this camp!!!
    to #12- of course its in a sense obvious that they would back down, but it doesnt mean it was easy!! $500,000 is $500,000, and it isnt a small amount. it was probably a very hard thing to do.
    think about it. not always does everyone do what they are supposed to!!!!!!

    pardas chanah grateful camper....
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    pardas chanah grateful camper....

    day after day we all voted… day afetr day we wathced the votes reach sky-high rates… third place, second place, first place… we were as happy as could be…. But now i realize whay PC really means to me… Pardas chanah is not just a place to have a wonderful summer. It goes beyond meeting amazing new friends with whom to bond… its a place of unwavering emunah…. strengthening us as woman, as the bnos chabad of tomorrow. They igrain within us true chassidishe values… and htis is what i am truly thankful for…. Pc we owe you a lot…… Read more »

    Gam Zu L'tova
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    Gam Zu L'tova

    The Aibershter wants to give all of US the mitzvah of supporting this wonderful moisad! Aviva foundation is the loser! We are all the winners because we can have a part in this tzedaka. Everybody go to the website and donate! (I never went to Pardes Chana and don’t even know the Gurarys but they sound like great people.)

    PLEASE USE YOUR VOTE FOR FC TORONTO
    Guest
    PLEASE USE YOUR VOTE FOR FC TORONTO
    dont worry
    Guest
    dont worry

    you will get the money iy”h !
    we can also vote for friendship circle now

    Think about it...
    Guest
    Think about it...

    I was in pardas chanah for many years… I was talking baout this with several of my friends about this… and the thing is not the “mesirars nefesh” or anything else: what abot whats beyond it: this was a a non-jewish site… who knows what could generate from it… Waht about Kiddush Hashem?
    what about just doing whats right without all the “pizzaz” whatever happened to that??

    dont get it
    Guest
    dont get it

    i still dont understand why people are impressed that they backed down with pride!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    isn’t this what you would do?
    or would you tell your kids “from now on u can dress how u like”
    we got $500.000 for it.
    no more davening we got $500.000.

    you know what?
    Guest
    you know what?

    EVERYTHING of the 5 requirements goes against jewish law!

    the link to donate does not work
    Guest
    the link to donate does not work

    i figured it out.
    http://www.camppc.com
    then clck the general information tab.

    VOTE FOR FC TORONTO
    Guest
    VOTE FOR FC TORONTO

    their still in!

    A PC PARENT
    Guest
    A PC PARENT

    AFTER the kohls debacle, this is very refreshing.
    I was beginning to think that in our circles money trumps all.

    I still see pardes chana on the list of votes...
    Guest
    I still see pardes chana on the list of votes...
    ... re: 42
    Guest
    ... re: 42

    um wait till ur offered that money and then talk

    2009 Winner
    Guest
    2009 Winner

    It seems to me that the 2009 winner called “NOËL VERT POUR TOUS” which is something about a Green xmas should not have been eligable either. It is exclusive for those who follow that religion!

    YAY!!
    Guest
    YAY!!

    Yasher Koach!! Hashem should bless you 100 times fold!!

    good for them
    Guest
    good for them

    hashem will bring them money in other ways!

    so disappointing!
    Guest
    so disappointing!

    this is a big kiddush Hashem… but so disappointing!

    wow what a kiddush Hashem!
    Guest
    wow what a kiddush Hashem!

    keep up the great work of setting such an amazing example for every one to follow!!

    such a shame
    Guest
    such a shame

    The gurarys are amazing! they are such warm ppl and they turned the camp around for the good!!

    thanks
    Guest
    thanks

    Great camp.
    Obvious decision.
    Thanks for letting us know.
    The Gurarys should look into wether what the fund is doing is legal.

    yasher koah
    Guest
    yasher koah

    the gurarys are great ppl

    to 55
    Guest
    to 55

    it is. these r the governments requirements too…

    I voted for pc
    Guest
    I voted for pc

    we shoul still love pc!
    ~pc camper~

    a camper of pc
    Guest
    a camper of pc

    no doubt- p.c. is an amazing camp! me and my sister went and we had a great experience. what a shame. they definetly deserve the $!

    p.c
    Guest
    p.c

    it rox! went there yr after yr…
    so upset they didnt win…. 🙁
    they coulda used the $….
    still love da placeEE

    mrs gurary is the mommy of us all...HOADERES V'HOEMUNAH...L'CHAI OLOMIM!
    Guest
    mrs gurary is the mommy of us all...HOADERES V'HOEMUNAH...L'CHAI OLOMIM!
    note:
    Guest
    note:

    “When those in charge of the fund looked into our organization and saw the passion it generated they were really impressed.” does the fact that they WERE IMPRESSED (basically meaning kiddush hashem) mean anything to you?? and do you think that pardas chanah’s decline made them less impressed MOST DIFFIDENTLY TO THE CONTRARY for sure it made a big impact as it says quite clearly in the letter “It goes without saying that our values and convictions are stronger than money. ” obviously on a goyishe outlook it may not be as simple as we see it. But it is… Read more »

    Yaasher Koach
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    Yaasher Koach

    My daughter went to PC a few years ago and loved every minute. Thank you for your principled stand and for making a true Kiddush Hashem and Kiddush Lubavitch. May Hashem reward you many times over for doing the right thing. Where can we donate?

    att # 63...
    Guest
    att # 63...

    go to camppc.com and click on “general info” under there is a copy of this letter as well as a “donate now” button… click on it

    PC....
    Guest
    PC....

    bursting with spirit,,,
    i gr8 lace u betta believe it!!!
    best place evaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
    u rock 4 e/t!!!

    P.C!!!!!!!
    Guest
    P.C!!!!!!!

    aint gonna leave p.c. this year, aint gonna leave p.c. this year. double double triple pay, in p.c. we wanna stay!!!, aint gonna leave p.c. this year.
    why?
    because i love p.c.!
    p.c. is a gr8, awesome and very chassidish camp. It definetly “recharged” me! i wish they cld’ve won! they deserve and cld use the money!
    ~
    a very happy camper of p.c.!

    Pardas Chanah gooooo pardas chanah!!!!!!!!! can't wait! for next summer best girls camp ever!!!!!!!!
    Guest
    Pardas Chanah gooooo pardas chanah!!!!!!!!! can't wait! for next summer best girls camp ever!!!!!!!!
    a pardas chana camper
    Guest
    a pardas chana camper

    pc is an awesome camp!!! they shouldve gotten it but at the same time they made a gr8 kiddush hashem!! go gurarys!! they rock!! i wish i could go to pc for the rest of my life!

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