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FYI
August 15, 2019 9:34 am

Friday will be the answer

WTH IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE
August 15, 2019 9:48 am

People are so uneducated. Let these anti vaxers start their own school. I think it is absolutely absurd for these parents who think they are “doing good”, when they are in-fact hurting their children.

Pro-vaccinator

come on.....
Reply to  WTH IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE
August 15, 2019 11:17 am

oh just stop the hatred already and realize and accept that people have different opinions than you and have lived through different experiences. seriously. I have barely heard one intelligent comeback from pro-vaxxers. all you hear from their camp is insults, and the same phrase repeated: : ‘vaccines are safe”/ really? why don’t you actually prove that and calmly answer all the anti vaxxers questions and statements. how educated do you think u sound when all you say is they are safe 3 million times. some people will naively trust companies, and some people naturally observe, ask questions and use… Read more »

vaccines are proven 100 times over
Reply to  come on.....
August 15, 2019 11:55 am

Since vaccines have been proven safe, effective and necessary and should be taken on schedule according to doctors and rabbis and most importantly for the Lubavitcher community according to the Rebbe and since you keep advocating a position that causes people to needlessly suffer and die, most people see two options, either you’re evil or incredibly stupid. You think you have info that no one else has. But you don’t. You are unable to see that the anti-vax info is baloney. The Rebbe gave people of your mindset very clear guidance. Al Tifrosh Min HaTzibbur. You don’t know better. You… Read more »

ok....
Reply to  vaccines are proven 100 times over
August 15, 2019 12:18 pm

so now keep repeating that they are safe as if that is what makes them safer. than repeat again. lets not talk stupid here…
the Rebbe also said to look into the ingredients…how many pro vaxxers did that??
the anti vaxxers certainly did more hmwk than the pro.

1/2 Can of Tuna
Reply to  ok....
August 15, 2019 3:42 pm

I’m pro-vaccination and following the advice of the Rebbe I looked into the ingredients. Each measels (MMR) shot contains “mercury” as a preservative. Safe to injest levels of mercury, equal to the mercury in HALF A CAN of TUNA FISH. Take your bubbe meises somewhere else. Vaccines are safe, effective and necessary. Otherwise people needlessly suffer and die such as the young, healthy EL-AL flight attendant.

Digestion vs bloodstream
Reply to  1/2 Can of Tuna
August 15, 2019 9:13 pm

When you eat something, the body naturally removes the toxins through the digestive system. Thats why people produce waste. In vaccines, it is pumping the toxins into the bloodstream. That is so muhc more powerful.

vaccines are proven 100 times over
Reply to  Digestion vs bloodstream
August 16, 2019 3:12 am

You are incorrect. Humans can’t digest mercury. The extremely low level of “mercury” in vaccines are safe without any worry. As safe as eating a half can of tuna fish. You’ve bought into bubbe meises and narishkeit. Get vaccinated. It can save someone’s life. Maybe even yours.

MMR does NOT contain mercury.
Reply to  1/2 Can of Tuna
August 18, 2019 12:02 am

And never did. For the past 20 years no childhood vaccines contain mercury. But MMR never had it in the first place.

reuseable is doable
Reply to  vaccines are proven 100 times over
August 15, 2019 12:24 pm

is it true that there are significant numbers of children who were permanently damaged from vaccines? yes it is. wake up! This is fact. Having these facts make it confusing to understand the Rebbe’s ruling. (not able to change subject heading)

No it's not
Reply to  reuseable is doable
August 15, 2019 1:20 pm

Quit lying You research group of facebook moms isn’t proof.

No, it is not true.
Reply to  reuseable is doable
August 18, 2019 12:05 am

There are no cases of autism that can be traced to vaccines. Not an “insignificant number”, but none whatsoever. The number who have suffered any damage of any kind from any vaccine is not zero, but not significant. But for autism it is zero.

And who are you mr? Mrs?/ educated ?
Reply to  vaccines are proven 100 times over
August 15, 2019 4:10 pm

Who are you to tell parents to give vaccine to their kids because it’s safe???
Maybe put all vaccine as a role model, into your own body, and then we will talk again ( or not :/ ?)

SpecialMom
Reply to  And who are you mr? Mrs?/ educated ?
August 16, 2019 3:56 am

I do have all vaccines in my body. I’m doing fine Bh. I’m alive and well. So are all my kids. And my husband. And all my siblings. And all his siblings. And my 200 nieces and nephews. 100 years ago there was no one on this planet who could make that statement.

Come on
Reply to  come on.....
August 15, 2019 1:16 pm

It’s not an opinion. Science isn’t an opinion. Antivaxxers are blight on our community, a chillul hashem, and as physical danger to our children.

All these antivax questions are concerns are borne from ignorance and cult think

13 reasons why the cdc is right
Reply to  Come on
August 15, 2019 4:34 pm

And you should vaccinate your kids

Please read this whether your pro or anti, some great info here!

https://jennifermargulis.net/blog-post/

doing research
Reply to  come on.....
August 15, 2019 5:02 pm

did you go to medical school? did you even take 1 college level chemistry course? If you can’t even do at least that, you can’t say you did your research and know more than all the real medical professionals that you trust with your life in case of diabetes, heart attack, etc…just because you used google

SpecialMom
Reply to  come on.....
August 16, 2019 3:52 am

The evidence is that children have wonderful life expectancy rates since the introduction of vaccination rates. Bh. Unfortunately this norm is being challenged by anti vaxxers. It is not only their children they are putting at risk, but everyone’s.

Different opinions.....
Reply to  come on.....
August 22, 2019 1:55 pm

Exactly. That is NOT the same a RELIGIOUS exemption. Exactly which posek of yours ruled that according to the shulchan aruch you are forbidden to vaccinate your child. I have no problem if those who do not wish to vaccinate, go into court and argue against vaccinations, but, to claim “religious” exemption, please be prepared to explain which religious authority stated that YOUR religion forbids following the mandates of the department of health.

Read up and educate yourself
Reply to  WTH IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE
August 15, 2019 11:36 am

Most vaccinations are infinitely more harmful than helpful. Terrible to force everyone to put this poison into their children

Some numbers for y’all
Reply to  Read up and educate yourself
August 15, 2019 4:22 pm
Wake up yiden!!!
August 15, 2019 10:51 am

Wake up yiden!!! Wether getting vaccinated is right or not, we can’t let the government force people to do it! They can’t make such decisions for us and our loved ones, open your eyes and see! Once they made the new vaccine law they also wanted to force our kids to have the education THEY think is right!!! There is no middle way either you don’t allow the government control our lives or you do all the way! It will happen slowly but in an automatic way, just wait and see! Either we wake up now and take action or… Read more »

Very True
Reply to  Wake up yiden!!!
August 15, 2019 12:19 pm

It’s important to be able to see the far reaching results of an action. Big government here in NY (one that does not like us) is already spreading their net into our affairs in an unprecedented way. They have cleverly manipulated this situation to do so. There is a hypocrisy in the liberal system today that dresses itself as righteous and caring while slowly infringing on the basic rights of those who don’t play by their game. Parents who are concerned about their kids being around the unvaccinated and want to protect them, can have their kids vaccinated. If they… Read more »

Absolutely!
Reply to  Wake up yiden!!!
August 15, 2019 4:21 pm

Rabbi Jacobson spoke at Neshi Chabad at 770 about how the problem of our time got “too comfortable “. This is a clear example. People creat their own ideas for vaccine and didn’t even learn Halacha regarding the matter ! It’s so much more “comfortable ” to go with the flow, collect some government money and forget the Torah and our garantures for receiving it to begin with- THE JEWISH CHILDREN. Who cares about old fashion opinions ??? Open your eyes !! – today it’s vaccine , tomorrow they will tell what to teach in our schools, and then what… Read more »

libertarian fantasy
Reply to  Wake up yiden!!!
August 15, 2019 5:11 pm

since you don’t want government then how about no police to deal with any of the assaults against Jews in Crown Heights? No ICE, no border security and just let all the illegals come in because that would be too much government. Have all the drugs too and just let the market decide if there is too much crack cocaine floating around. Seriously, libertarianism is just as much as fantasy as socialism…

nonsense!
Reply to  libertarian fantasy
August 15, 2019 7:38 pm

excuse me but you are suggesting that because I don’t want government to control personal decisions such as what my children study and what goes into their bodies, that therefore means that I don’t want the government to maintain peace and security in our country. such nonsense. everyone knows that the responsibility of government is to maintain our freedom and security but that beyond that we need little help. this is not a libertarian idea, it’s a conservative one.

Not true
Reply to  Wake up yiden!!!
August 18, 2019 12:14 am

There is no comparison at all. First of all, the government absolutely has the legal right to forcibly vaccinate people. Parents have no right to object. The courts established that long ago. However the Supreme Court ruled that parents do have the right to direct their children’s education. So they are not comparable. The second issue is religion. While religious exemptions from generally applicable laws are not required by the constitution, the centuries-old American tradition is to respect genuine religious objections and grant exemptions. This has been codified in federal law and the laws of some states as RFRA. That… Read more »

Wake up yiden!!!
August 15, 2019 10:59 am

Wake up yiden!!! Wether getting vaccinated is right or not, we can’t let the government force people to do it! They can’t make such decisions for us and our loved ones, open your eyes once they made the decision about the vaccine law they also want to force our kids to have the education THEY thinks is right!!! The is no middle way either you don’t allow the government control our lives or you do all the way! It will happen slowly but in an automatic way, just wait and see! Either we wake up now and take action or… Read more »

El Al flight crew died because of your negligents
Reply to  Wake up yiden!!!
August 15, 2019 11:12 am

How many ppl have to die for your stupid ignorance .
In the 50’s children were getting polio till a vaccine was found , Bh , Maybe you are smarter till your kid pays the price CV

reuseable is doable
Reply to  El Al flight crew died because of your negligents
August 15, 2019 12:28 pm

It is indeed possible that the vaccines over time have compromised people’s immune system. This did not happen years ago. I realize this is conjecture. something to think about. (cannot edit subject heading)

You display a very limited knowledge.
Reply to  El Al flight crew died because of your negligents
August 15, 2019 4:24 pm

Study Halacha dear, instead of surfing on the web

No equation
Reply to  Wake up yiden!!!
August 15, 2019 11:48 am

That is a wrong equation. Forcing you to teach your child a specific way is control (vs forcing your child to be educated). forcing someone to obtain a license before they operate a vehicle is not control, it’s safety. The government has a responsibility to protect the general public. The people that we elected to power decided that keeping not vaccinated children away from the public is the safe thing to do. If a parent won’t vaccinate their child, no one is taking their child away from them, it is just that they can’t attend a public place that may… Read more »

of course there's a middle way
Reply to  Wake up yiden!!!
August 15, 2019 12:17 pm

We should pray for the stability of the government like the Mishna in Avos says so that gannavim such as people who profit off their anti-vax baloney aren’t able to defraud people without fear of repercussion and pray again for the American Government because it’s legal in the United States to officialy argue against laws and policies which we see as against our interests.

Profiting?
Reply to  of course there's a middle way
August 18, 2019 10:49 am

Who’s profiting? Big Pharma have the biggest power because they profit much more than the oil giants, yes, of of us. Pharma has 2x the lobbyist as oil corporations do! Pharma makes trillions of dollars a year. Who is making money of being pro-choice vaccinating? Where is your head? So Pharma loves us. BTW they have paid about 40 billion in fines for defrauding regulators and the population of pushing their drugs and agenda. Are you serious that when it comes to vaccines they would never lie?

On what grounds?
August 15, 2019 11:17 am

The suit seems frivolous. On what possible grounds could the judge overturn this law? It is well established that the first amendment *never* requires religious exemptions to generally applicable laws. No judge can overrule that. And legislatures are allowed to be arbitrary and capricious, so there’s no possibility of challenge on those grounds, even in the impossible case that the plaintiffs could make such a showing. Not only should this case be dismissed, but the plaintiffs and their lawyers should be hit with sanctions for bringing it in the first place.

Open eyes ppl, Forget about vaccines goes much d.
Reply to  On what grounds?
August 15, 2019 4:37 pm

*Medical healthcare field and Politics are mashed up together to much
*Look what happen just recently in the news
*Look at the law suit of Jonhonson and Johnson baby powder they were just sued for over 5 billon dollars

* Kinda scary… I used thier baby powder as a kid

* Where did Jonhonson and Johnson go wrong to loose a law suit worth over 5 Billon Dollars!

* I thought it was one of the most trusted baby powder companys?

Goes much deeper
Reply to  On what grounds?
August 15, 2019 4:45 pm

It just baby powder after all. It’s permitted to use our brains just a little before showing up to your doctor. All parents vaxed or not need to be more informed in this day and age. Thats the point, and I think everyone will agree.

This Law is an attack against religion
Reply to  On what grounds?
August 15, 2019 7:35 pm

The strongest argument that was presented to the judge was that this law expresses hostility against religion. The judge noted that the state had no defense. I would think that would be concerning to everyone on COL. Additionally of great concern would be the fact that the state is telling us who should be allowed to study Torah. 100s of kids in crown heights are currently out of school. Vaccines are known to be dangerous, just read any drug insert. Many people that I know personally have had or have experienced their children having adverse reactions. I have a friend… Read more »

not possible
Reply to  This Law is an attack against religion
August 18, 2019 12:19 am

“Many people that I know personally have had or have experienced their children having adverse reactions. I have a friend on the autistic spectrum who is vaccine injured”
That is not possible.
The fact is that the Supreme Court has been very very clear that there is no constitutional right to religious exemptions from generally applicable laws, and not even the US Congress can force states to grant such exemptions. No judge has the authority to change that. So this suit is frivolous.

Who wrote this report ????
August 15, 2019 4:04 pm

Some parents ????? There are ten of thousands of families, all over NY state, from ANY religious backgrounds, that want this financials motivated law to be cancelled for good ! Some 1+1 please …. measles outbreak and suddenly a new law is miraculously ready and bullied around the state ???? With 72(!!!) forced vaccines . HELLO!!!!!!! What does it has to do with measles??? Does anyone think that they will find a shidduch for a girl with HPV vaccine – that incase it will not kill or paralyze her, it will just make her lose the ability to ever give… Read more »

There is no such halacha
Reply to  Who wrote this report ????
August 18, 2019 12:20 am

No school is required to accept unvaccinated children. The obligation to teach the children Torah is on the parents, and if that means getting them vaccinated then the parents must do that.

Another good paper
August 15, 2019 4:30 pm
Don't take my word for it
August 15, 2019 10:45 pm

Don’t trust me, listen to a scientist that was a supervisor in Merck’s vaccine division https://youtu.be/o3a6lQTmaDs
Listen to Congressman Posey and CDC scientist disclose fraud about vaccine safety research https://youtu.be/qxr-cv-JuI8 and https://youtu.be/8697rSvIqhg
Congressman Burton questions officials from the FDA and CDC https://youtu.be/hlg97GlcKXQ and https://youtu.be/Yd3xdAp9_Zk

Wake up yidden!
August 16, 2019 12:50 pm

Wake up hidden from this dream of galus,…..
I am saddened by the braishwashing our community has aloud itself to get chained in. The evil will be revealed soon and everyones eyes will open to the depths of lies of CDC and the medical communist.

Administrator
August 17, 2019 11:59 pm

Why don’t the parents and rabbonim also protest that we don’t want our children and staff with invaded. We are by far the majority.Don’t we have rights. I daven everyday that this law is upheld and still.cannot believe the stupid and stubborn people who are fighting to put their own children at risk

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