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Oldies: Citizenship Approved

The Previous Rebbe, Rabbi Yosef Yitzchak Schneerson OBM, is seen in this rare picture signing his U.S. citizenship papers together with his son-in-law, the current Lubavitcher Rebbe, in the winter of 1948. Special thanks to the "Rebbe Archive" for the photo.

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beautiful picture! thank you COL!

regular yid
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regular yid

I am just a regular yid but please explain what you mean with the current rebbe, wasn’t he niftar?

M.A.F.  m.a.
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M.A.F. m.a.

To those that think that The Rebbe was niftar , like any other person that reaches his/her alloted time ,it is a free world.
On the other hand to those who believe that ” Yakov oveinu lo mes” and The Rebbe with certainty would fit into this category they are also entitled to their beliefs.

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to comment #3 so does that mean no one is ever niftar? was the bal shem tov niftar? was the bal hatanya niftar? were do you draw the line? what do you mean that the rebbe with certainty would fit this category? how about all the tanayim in the gemarah do they fit this category, you are referring to?

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I do not believe that there are to many people around today, (probably no one) ,that can give you a din vecheshbon of our Nesi’im ,Tanayim and Rebeim etc over the last 3000 years, as to who reached the level referred to about Ya’akov and who did not. Notwithstanding the above all those who were zoiche to partake in The Rebbe’s farbrengens or have seen the videos would have heard how frequently The Rebbe himself , after yud Shevat (1950)., referred to his schver as “The Nosei Doreinu”.(The Nosei of OUR generation.). In view of this I can fully understand… Read more »

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First if the previous rebbe was the “nosei dorenu” why is there an OBM after his name he should also be alive? do you believe he is also alive? Second you are saying that the rebbe attained a level of yakov aveinu la mas so then according to you moshe rabenu, yehoshua ben nun, ahron hakohen, should be at least equal to that but in fact the torah refers to these people as having died so how can you say the rebbe is still alive?

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As stated in point 5 above , I don’t profess to be the expert to comment on previous generations of Tzadikim covering thousands of years. Futhermore , as previously stated , I am not disclosing my thoughts on these matters . The only disclosure that I offer is what I and thousands of others heard from The Rebbe himself , and that is that after 1950 The Rebbe consistantly referred to his schver as the “nosei dorenu” Do you deny this ? Do you think The Rebbe was wrong ? If your answer to the above 2 questions was no… Read more »

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Okay, does this mean that the previous rebbe is still alive yes or no?

M.A.F.    m.a.
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M.A.F. m.a.

I asked you 2 specific questions in point 7 above.
Don’t answer them with other questions .
Just answer them and I will then show you the same courtesy

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Question #I, I don’t deny it. Question #2 I think there were many other gedolim who had a wider impact on klal yisroel, most notably the “chazon ish’, in eretz yisroel and r’ moshe feinstein, in america. (In fact R’ Shmuel Butman in 1987 after R’ Moshe was niftar said at the time on WMCA radio, that the rebbe has to be moshiach because we all know that moshiach comes from an alive person, and the above mentioned people were niftar so who else could be moshiach) So not withstanding the previous rebbe was a great person, no I do… Read more »

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M.A.F. m.a.

I understand your clear answer to my question #1 .
It seems to me however , that you are trying to respond to quetion #2 ,
with yes ,but instead of saying it ,you are endeavouring to give me a lesson in History. I am looking foward to responding to your question but as stated I first require
clear answers to BOTH questions (ie.including #2) .
In addition you have redirected our communications.
We initially were discussing the word “current” in relation
to our Rebbe . You now have unilateraly decided to include the issues regarding Moshiach in the discussion .

regular yid
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Question #2 No

Incorrect, I am not changing the subject. All I was doing was explaining my no. So now answer my questions from post #6, thank you.

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M.A.F. m.a.

So now to my question “Do you think The Rebbe was wrong ?” “when he consistantly referred to his schver as The Nosei Doreinu” you answered , NO. ie. you agreed with The Rebbe in using that phrase about The Previous Rebbe after 1950. We also agree and accordigly use exactly the same expression , about our Rebbe after 1993. Accordingly re. your Questions about all previous Tzaddikim I can only comment on what I saw The Rebbe do , and here even you say “no’ to was he wrong. Futhermore, I believe that there are certain things (in fact… Read more »

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Lets start again, you missunderstood me. Question #1 No Question #2 Yes So if I am to understand your position you believe that the previous rebbe didn’t die the current rebbe didn’t die, and greater tzadikim then them like moshe rabinu ahron hakohen did die. For you since you saw the rebbe that makes him immortal. I guess going up to shmayim and getting us the torah, not eating for forty days,splitting the yam suf,etc etc is not enough, but a few farbregens is. Besides for lubavitch no-one believes this nonesense and apikursus. If you people want klal yisroel to… Read more »

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In your comment 12 you answered Question # 2 wih “NO” . In your comment 14 you contradicted yourself and had a “change of mind” and answered Question #2 with “YES” . In the first instance you need to make up your own mind where you stand. You must be extreemely intelligent because you have now said”YES” The Rebbe was wrong , which means that you consider yourself to be more intelligent than The Rebbe in order for you to know that The Rebbe was wrong . In addition as you are well aware I have not stated my position… Read more »

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