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So shameful
December 29, 2022 3:13 pm

No people should ever be governed by a religion. It automatically creates inequality. True freedom is a people ruled by law, not by Gd. Orthodox Jews are not the only people living in Israel and they should not be allowed to govern the lives of others based on their own personal beliefs and practices.

Israel was established after the greatest enactment of inequality, and to see us turning into the very thing we rose up against is a disgrace.

really?
Reply to  So shameful
December 29, 2022 3:27 pm

so its ok with you when the secular are “allowed to govern the lives of others based on their own personal beliefs and practices”?

orthodox jews (and all minorities from the middle east and north africa for that matter) have been treated unequally since the establishment of israel

what happened until now was a disgrace. for the first time, there is a chance to make things equal

Secular aren't pushing religion
Reply to  really?
December 29, 2022 3:43 pm

The great thing about the separation of church and state is that it allows those who wish to practice their religion to do so, and those who don’t to opt out. We all get to be free!

The greatest offence when they are not separated is that those who practice their faith differently, or practice a different faith altogether, or don’t practice any faith at all are then treated as second class citizens.

Which world would you rather live in?

lol
Reply to  Secular aren't pushing religion
December 30, 2022 2:57 pm

right. cause this government is gonna make it illegal to drive on shabbos!

think for a second if what the left wing media is spewing actually makes any sense.

*Jaw dropping*
Reply to  So shameful
December 29, 2022 4:14 pm

Just to be clear, what is the “greatest enactment of inequality” you are referring to?

 

You have at least once opened up a Torah, no?
Reply to  So shameful
December 30, 2022 8:36 am

Because it makes it quite clear that yes, we are to be governed by a religion, and that includes the non-Jews accepting and following Sheva Mitzvos Bnei Noach.

lol
Reply to  So shameful
December 30, 2022 2:54 pm

“True freedom is a people ruled by law, not by Gd” right. cause law and Gd are opposites.

 I thought that the first and only true law book was created by Gd. Sorry, my bad.

Oh no
December 29, 2022 3:19 pm

Itamar Ben Gvir – this man is dangerous

huh?
Reply to  Oh no
December 29, 2022 3:29 pm

more dangerous than people such as rabin barak sharon olmert who knowingly put jewish lives in danger for the sake of some imagined “peace process”?

lol
Reply to  Oh no
January 1, 2023 6:52 pm

you base this off the fact, that:

Well that's that
December 29, 2022 3:21 pm

will not be returning to israel until it treats all citizens equally, this new gov sucks

ha ha
Reply to  Well that's that
December 29, 2022 3:24 pm

and when moshiach comes you will also not go because the sanhedrin will be the law of the land?

good point
Reply to  ha ha
December 29, 2022 3:44 pm

if the sanhedrin treats conservative and reform jews and Palestinians as second class, then i’ll stay here in america thank you very much

to good point
Reply to  good point
December 29, 2022 4:25 pm

I have news, when Moshiach comes The whole world will be governed by Sanhedrin. USA will also be part of Eretz Yisroel

You know…
Reply to  good point
December 30, 2022 8:43 am

Four-fifths of the Jews in Egypt thought that way too. Unfortunately for them, their stay in Egypt was six feet under and permanent.

But you’re living after Matan Torah, when no Jew will ever be lost. When Moshiach comes, you’ll be able to see the beauty of Hashem’s Torah over your sham “equality.” Then again, there’s no reason to wait for Moshiach – you can start that process now.

lol
Reply to  good point
December 30, 2022 2:58 pm

🙂

lol
Reply to  Well that's that
December 30, 2022 2:58 pm

would you also not visit israel before 1948? i thought Jewish connection to this land started 3300 years ago? but do as you wish, let a government take away your heritage

 

lol
Reply to  Well that's that
January 1, 2023 6:53 pm

ok well then it seems to me that according to you this land was given to us in 1948

so uneducated it hurts
December 29, 2022 3:23 pm

any other religion taking control of a government and orthodox Jews would be up in arms, but as long as they’re the ones wielding the power it’s fine? the hypocrisy is nauseating

Eretz Yisroel
Reply to  so uneducated it hurts
December 29, 2022 4:09 pm

Israel was chosen as the state for the Jewish people because of its background in religious text called Torah. if you think Buenos Aires or Uganda would be a better place with no religion, perhaps start another Jewish state.
The Kedusha of EY must be upheld.

no but fine
Reply to  Eretz Yisroel
December 30, 2022 9:44 am

uphold your own kedusha in your home, but how dare you place your laws on others living in the land

lol
Reply to  no but fine
December 30, 2022 2:47 pm

exactly where did you see in the coalition agreements that they are forcing religion on the secular? they are saying that from now on it is illegal to cook milk and meat in your home? all i saw was agreements in how state institutions will run. big difference.
but aside, even if so, if you were frum, and we both agreed that torah is the only ultimate truth, then that wouldn’t disturb you. have you ever heard of skila? just an example….

That’s not how this works
Reply to  no but fine
December 30, 2022 3:21 pm

Look up what halachah says about this. Yes, a Jewish government has a responsibility to “place their laws” on the non-Jews who live there; these are the Sheva Mitzvos Bnei Noach.

said the haskolah movement.
Reply to  no but fine
December 30, 2022 3:58 pm

you saw where that went.

uneducated
Reply to  so uneducated it hurts
December 29, 2022 4:11 pm

yep because I never went to a university to tell me the “truth” about Israel. correct?

Well, it’s very simple…
Reply to  so uneducated it hurts
December 30, 2022 8:44 am

Because we, as religious Jews, know that our Torah is true and their “Torahs” are not.

disappointing
December 29, 2022 3:31 pm

I would have loved to see all Jews from all religious backgrounds reflected in this new government, but unfortunately only one narrow minded sect is being represented. My heart goes out to conservative and reform and secular Jews living in Israel, and to all the Palestinians who will suffer further discrimination. This is not how Judaism is supposed to look.

sheesh
Reply to  disappointing
December 29, 2022 4:05 pm

from your words its clear that you have no clue “how Judaism is supposed to look”

and fyi, only 12,000 people identify as reform/conservative out of 7,021,000 Israeli Jews!

as for the palestinians, we’ll talk about treating them fairly once they stop KILLING US!

lol
Reply to  disappointing
December 30, 2022 2:27 pm

have whatever opinion you want, but not sure why you are posting your views which are opposite to that of the rebbe on a chabad news site? do you have any clue what happened in 1991?

preparation
December 29, 2022 3:36 pm

this is unbelievable the land is going to be governed by Torah and kedusha.

bibi I think the rebbe told you something in the effect of you will lead till Moshiach comes.

can anyone verify?

Where do all these trolls come from?
December 29, 2022 3:49 pm

What are all of these liberal self hating Jews doing commenting on collive? Shouldn’t they be reading this kind of news on CNN or the Forward or Haaretz?
The Rebbe said to vote for the candidates that would be the best for frumme Yidden. Clearly if you don’t like the new government you don’t like the Rebbe’s directive. So maybe you shouldn’t be reading your news on a website that is geared to the followers of the Rebbe?

Alternate Reality...
Reply to  Where do all these trolls come from?
December 29, 2022 4:04 pm

agreed! I am reading these comments against this amazing news and am in shock! I guess there are a lot of closeted Jewish (or Lubavitch????) Marxists…

Not new, sadly
Reply to  Alternate Reality...
December 30, 2022 8:47 am

Nachman son and Lulav, the two Yevsektzia agents who arrested the Frierdiker Rebbe, were also from Lubavitcher families. We need to take a good hard look at גידולים שגידלתם.

Noooo
December 29, 2022 3:58 pm

the misrepresentation is out of this world, this government doesn’t reflect a huge amount of the population. I stand with the protestors!

Oh. So…
Reply to  Noooo
December 30, 2022 8:48 am

…democratic elections are valid only if you get your way. Gee, where have I heard that before?

lol
Reply to  Noooo
January 1, 2023 6:56 pm

they opted out of being represented. scream at them!

True galus
December 29, 2022 4:03 pm

when orthodox jews sideline less observant jews in an attempt to seize power, this is contributing to moshiach’s delay. Gd willing we one day learn to respect all backgrounds and form governments that represent all people, not just the orthodox.

sideline???
Reply to  True galus
December 29, 2022 4:08 pm

its called winning an election!
israel is still a democracy unless you wish it were a communist regime

You know…
Reply to  True galus
December 30, 2022 8:52 am

…in Megillas Taanis there is a Yom Tov declared on the day that Shimon ben Shatach got the last of the Tzedokim out of the Sanhedrin, and reestablished it as the source of pure Torah governance that it was supposed to be. So no, Judaism is not about “forming governments that respect all people,” but about upholding the genuine Torah rather than imitations thereof.

oy yoy yoy
Reply to  You know…
December 30, 2022 9:39 am

your misplaced belief that genuine torah is not about respecting all people goes to show how poor and lacking your education was. but it’s not too late! the foundation of torah is ahavas yisroel. once you learn this, understanding the necessity of forming a government that respects all people will become clear to you. wishing you much hatzlacha in your search for truth!

Then you’re misunderstanding completely
Reply to  oy yoy yoy
December 30, 2022 3:24 pm

Respecting all people is not the same as saying that they can do whatever they want. As a matter of fact, the Gemara tells us that one aspect of Ahavas Yisroel comes into play specifically when a person is being executed by Beis Din for certain violations of halachah!

Oh no
December 29, 2022 4:14 pm

I will no longer visit this apartheid state. I’m embarrassed and heartbroken. Peace and liberation for all NOW.

Another alternative
Reply to  Oh no
December 29, 2022 10:48 pm

Good, we don’t need you here!…

lovely
Reply to  Another alternative
December 30, 2022 9:35 am

way to welcome all jews! you must love this new government, they seem just as exclusive and separatist as you.

lol
Reply to  lovely
January 1, 2023 6:58 pm

exclusively for jews. just like the rest of the arab countries are exclusively not for jews.

Terrible news
December 29, 2022 4:20 pm

israeli’s must feel the way we felt here in america when trump won, just utter devastation and fear. Hashem should give chizzuk to all those in the world who are suffering under a fascist wave. May we all be zocheh to elect liberal and progressive leaders who will protect all people equally.

An apt comparison, actually
Reply to  Terrible news
December 30, 2022 8:53 am

You claim that there was “utter devastation and fear” when Trump won, but basic honesty should compel you to admit that this was, in retrospect, completely unfounded. Same here.

Yitzchak
Reply to  An apt comparison, actually
December 31, 2022 11:31 pm

and don’t forget, the good economy and world peace accomplishments in his days.

lol
Reply to  Terrible news
January 1, 2023 7:00 pm

cause lapid would have been so much better! right, another gaza right next to Jerusalem is exactly what we need!

Timing
December 29, 2022 4:34 pm

isn’t a accident that this occurred on the 5 of Tevet the Rebbe foresee this decades ago

Timing
December 29, 2022 4:37 pm

Didan Notzach the Rebbes vision is materialized on the 5 of Tevet

Trolls lol
December 29, 2022 9:34 pm

Didn’t realize collive was so popular!
Great job

It’s so progressive to criticize the new government for the sin of being religious.
I mean religious Jews in government?! Anyone Frum shouldn’t be allowed to run!
Oh! And the Palestinians will really suffer from that too! Don’t you see what Jews who pray on the Temple Mount do to them?!
What an aggression!

As my Zeidy would say: A Krume Kup 🙂

From the NYT
December 30, 2022 10:03 am

“Jews are told that each Jew holds responsibility for Jews everywhere, that we must act for our brethren in peril. But with these new laws redefining who belongs, that religionwide sense of comity would cease to exist.”

This new government is already excluding Jews who are not “halachikly Jewish.” How are we supposed to unite to bring moshiach when this new government is ousting our fellow brothers and sisters?

Sorry to break it to you
Reply to  From the NYT
December 30, 2022 2:42 pm

If they are not halachiclly Jewish they are not our Jewish brothers and sisters. We are not excluding them they never were apart of us to begin with. It will be the best service to them if they knew the truth and continued their life a ben noach. Bechlal all the people who are posting libaral comments need a lot of help, I’ll be davening for you.

Well, it’s really quite simple
Reply to  From the NYT
December 30, 2022 3:26 pm

If they’re not halachically Jewish, then they’re not “our fellow brothers and sisters.” You might want to learn some Sichos of the Rebbe about Mihu Yehudi.

From the NYT
December 30, 2022 10:08 am

“But while these threats to any prospect of peaceful Israeli-Palestinian coexistence and to the viability of Israeli democracy should remain the focus of attention, the acute threat to the inclusive nature of Judaism and Jewish identity in Israel should be of the highest concern as well to Jews in Israel, America and elsewhere around the world.”

And?
Reply to  From the NYT
December 30, 2022 3:29 pm

Why should their ignorant notions of “the inclusive nature of Judaism” matter to us in the slightest? The nature of Judaism is determined by Hashem and transmitted to us through our chachamim, not by New York Times editorialists.

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