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    Mezuzah Gate: What Happens Next

    The Mezuzah controversy raised many questions about the mostly concealed Stam industry. COLlive gathered some answers. Full Story

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    Tznius
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    Tznius

    “he-said-he-said” hahaha just say it right

    Agreed
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    Agreed

    It seems like this needs s bit more overview than what it has now.

    Inaccurate , please correct!
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    Inaccurate , please correct!

    7 of 8 vendors DID NOT bring this to Din Torah. Only 5 did, and collive posted it was all 7.

    Come on now
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    Come on now

    Nobody can even try to say the Rebbe wanted us to go and give out a posul mezuzah just so someone at least has a 98% mitzvah. The Besht was saying his sukkah is equal to others’ QUESTIONABLE sukkahs, not POSUL sukkahs. Nobody can be so foolish to say that applies here in any way.

    Please clarify
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    Please clarify

    Rabbi Heller’s words need clarification. I’m sure he didn’t say that it’s better to have an expensive mezuza on the front door than having cheap mezuzos all around the house, rather that at least the front door should have an expensive mezuza. Halachically there isn’t much of a difference between the front door of the house and the other rooms, they are equally all chayev in mezuza

    Sha'alos tinok not mentioned in shulchan aruch
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    Sha'alos tinok not mentioned in shulchan aruch

    just to put things into perspective, shaalas tinok is mentioned in shulchan aruch regarding spacing however that is only according to a specific shito (opinion) which nowadays is not followed.
    So it is incorrect to say that it is not mentioned at all, it is just said regarding a specific shito.
    Please correct the article or remove that part.

    To # 5
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    To # 5

    He probably said that its better that only the front door should have a mezuzah that’s definitely kosher, than all doors having mezuzahs who’s kashrus is in question.

    Embarrassed stores
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    Embarrassed stores

    Now these guys try to cover their tracks.

    To # 5
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    To # 5

    By “cheap mezuzahs” he meant safek kosher
    By “expensive mezuzah” he meant vaday kosher
    Vihamayvin yavin

    Ripe
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    Ripe

    Seems like the safrus industry is ripe for what the food industry did. Hechsher. OU, OK, CHK. Maybe they’ll add a safrus component and certify the kashrus of a torah, mezzuza, etc. Item comes sealed, with the hechsher seal on the bag. Add to the cost. Unfortuately. Or of course, get directly from a sofer you trust, and then check it by another one you trust.

    look at the positive
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    look at the positive

    Something good is definitely coming out from this video. Whether it was done correctly or not. Sofrim and buyers are aware that mistakes can happen and will make sure the mezuzos are kosher.

    To 5
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    To 5

    I can’t confirm Rabbi Heller said what’s reported in his name, but the point is definitely true. As everyone can see in the pictures of the cheap mezuzos being sold in Crown Heights, most of them are clearly not valid for use lechatchila (and that’s best case scenario). So it’s definitely better to spend one’s limited amount of money on one kosher mezuzah than on 10 or so mezuzos that in all likelihood are not kosher.

    the big problem with these mezuzoz
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    the big problem with these mezuzoz

    lets say they are kosher after going through being muga.. if a sofer writes like sloppy Joe and sends it from Israel with all these l questions, and only becomes kosher after magim fix it. .He does this from morning till night ,day after day. this sofer has no yirras shomayim. You could be sure no one gave him authorization to be a Sofer. He is also a total ignoramus in all the laws. By the way it is known that arabs are writing. . no one should be bringing in mezuzoz and tifflin into America unles they were checked… Read more »

    Toxic Embarrassing
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    Toxic Embarrassing

    After an extravagant video production based on one Sofer and so many negative commentators it may just be in the end that the Mezuzos are kosher after all.

    Money money money!
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    Money money money!

    It’s amazing how blind “god fearing Jews” can be when it comes to money

    only kosher mezzuzoz
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    only kosher mezzuzoz

    If the Alter rebbe paskins clearly possol such Stam should not brought into Crown Hights. For example if a yud is missing the kotzo hasamoly on the bottom, the Alter rebbe says it is posul. The rebbe does not bring two views. THe note that was written on the new Alter rebbies shulchan aruch is a big mistake, see simun 36 etc. etc.

    Rav heller
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    Rav heller

    I was by a speech he said. What he said was, it’s better to have less mezuzos but vadai kosher, than all mezuzos safek kosher

    @ #13
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    @ #13

    I loved your comment, until you mentioned the wall.
    Why mix in such stupidity in such good wisdom??

    Beis Din
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    Beis Din

    Brilliant idea but a neutral Beis Din
    A Beis Din like you had in der heim
    Everything is commercialized today even Rabbonim
    Look at CH Secular court is still not over

    Chicago mitzva campaign
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    Chicago mitzva campaign

    I’m not sure this is clear to people. CMC or Chicago Mitzvah Campaign is not a business. It’s a non-profit organization that relies on donations to stay ‘in business’. Checking mezuzas and tefillin is only part of what they do. Just check out their website and you’ll see.. They help in areas that tend to get overlooked or swept under the rug. One example being good, personal care for the elderly

    speed
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    speed

    Lower cost mezuzos or “chines mezuzos”are written very fast by sofrim that are more on the business to make more money. They get pay 25$ to 27$ Do you want a Lamborghini mezuza for the price of a Ford ? They can’t spend on top of that more money paying a sofer to check it because cost would go to the roof, I mean to really check it, they just look it at quick kook IOW ,just as the written part is a poor quality, the checking also.is If you really care to be kosher you should pay the difference… Read more »

    A wake up call
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    A wake up call

    I had my mezuzas checked and there were missing many crowns amd some letters touching! I didnt buy cheap mezuzas!
    I was very disappointed.
    Lousy standards are lousy standards across the board. It isn’t just mivtzoim mezuzah’s!

    According to the Baal Shemski story,
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    According to the Baal Shemski story,

    you can then, justly sell, slightly questionable mezuzahs, only if you use the same quality mezuzahs in your own home as well!

    #15
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    #15

    You seem very blind to how judgmental you are. Can you imagine people speaking like this about you? Can you imagine having kids hear such things being said about their parents? The way people believe things so easily and judge others so easily, is what I find most concerning in all of this. We judge and completely tear people down from watching a video. You would think with all the lies and some terribly sickening lies going around on the news (especially about Israel) people would be a little more aware and less believing and reactive. Apparently and sadly that’s… Read more »

    To #10
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    To #10

    The idea already exists only slightly different instead of every mezuzah having a hechsher every Sofer is supposed to have a certification from a rav (כתב קבלה) certifying that he is a valid Sofer that knows and keeps to all halochos about safrus and that he is a trust worthy person
    So before buying from a Sofer find out if he is certified and who certified him

    Can Rabbi Gad Sebag of Oraita please explain....
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    Can Rabbi Gad Sebag of Oraita please explain....

    Can Rabbi Gad Sebag of Oraita please explain why he wrote in his statement that asking a tinok (child) for spacing issues is not mentioned in Shulchan Oruch. Not only is it mentioned, the Alter Rebbe rules like that in Shulchan Oruch (32:46 – the yesh omrim at the end is only negating the requirement of large spacing between the lines). This is basic, basic stuff. It does not make sense that any sofer, especially an experienced one, whom many people rely on, would be ignorant of such a basic halocho. Could Rabbi Gad Sebag please issue a statement explaining… Read more »

    Sadly rabbi wolf is right
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    Sadly rabbi wolf is right

    I bought $120 mezuzos from one of the above mentioned sofeim, and all 30 of them had an issue which the Sofer who checked them (whom I personally know and who had no agenda) said was problematic according to alter rebbe and had issue with the tagim… so go and figure. We think we’re getting top notch and turns our…..

    Chabad Mezuzos with a Hechsher
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    Chabad Mezuzos with a Hechsher

    Chabad’s own Institute of “Otzar HaSTam” (in Tzefas) employs dozens of professional Sofrim engaged in the production of Sifrei Torah, Tefillin and Mezuzos spanning different Kesovim and quality levels and working in full transparency under close rabbinical supervision. It is under the supervision of the OK and worldwide the only STAM center under their supervision. As I have seen for myself, each product undergoes a complete, documented and computerized control process from parchment purchase to final kashrut approval of the product. It also has special low prices for Shluchim and there are no questions as to if their Mivtzoim Mezuzos… Read more »

    "מי ברא אלה"
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    "מי ברא אלה"

    “מי ברא אלה” that’s what the Rebbe wrote about “Vaad Rabbonei Lubavitch” (this Beis Din was established to be a alternative to the C H Beis Din (which is well known how the Rebbe held of the C H Beis Din))

    PS Rabbi Yitzchok Mishulavin said he never joined this “Hazmana” (that’s makes the whole Hazmana very questionable

    to # 6  - re: asking a tinok on spacing issues
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    to # 6 - re: asking a tinok on spacing issues

    What you are saying is incorrect.

    We DEFINITELY follow that which is brought down in the Alter Rebbe’s Shulchon Oruch about asking a tinok (child) on spacing issues!

    You obviously did not learn it well. The conclusion at the end, that this applies only to a Sefer Torah, is only going on spacing between lines, not between words and letters. Between words and letters you most certainly ask a child on questionable spacing issues.

    If you are in doubt you may ask your local rabbi or look up the makor hadin in the Magen Avraham!

    Independent Hashgocho
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    Independent Hashgocho

    This problem with Stam is no different to the standard of Hashgocho on food, restaurants and any other item that needs it in the US, the fact that a Mashgiach is employed by the owner/seller makes him Nogeyah B’dova, and you will NEVER have good Hashgocho. I live in the UK where there is no such thing as private Hashgocho, weather it is food or Stam, it is all undertaken by each Kehillah, there might be 3 Hashgochos within a Kehillah, but that would be to satisfy all it’s members (Orthodox, Charedi, Chassidic etc.) The agenda of these Hashgochos is… Read more »

    Zablo sofrim mumchim
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    Zablo sofrim mumchim

    Each side should choose a sofer and both of those choose a third … then together the 3 of them should inpect the 80 mezuzahs and paskin kosher or not … too many opinions otherwise

     To #15
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    To #15

    To clarify, it’s way more profitable to only sell high-end mezuzos, the reason why they offer cheaper mezuzos are for people who want cheaper. I know of many cases when hasofer and hamafitz gave mezuzos for free to people who couldn’t afford. The only ones after the money are the fast paselling sofrim trying to sell their own products.

    Absolutely true
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    Absolutely true

    The comment that Gad Sebag made about similar spacing issues seen in the mezuzuos of the “kosher vendor” which were overlooked and were all miraculously kosher is definitely on target. I was surprised to see letters which looked the same as in the previous vendors but no mention whatsoever of its “questionable” or even “non-kosher” status.
    In short to label so many mezuzuos as Posul based on questionable issues is not a simple thing and this magiha and Wolf have the responsibility now on them since they went public with it.

    The real problem
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    The real problem

    Is everyone running around asking sofrim, asking people on collive but nobody asking rabbonim who can give a psak halacha.

    English translation from the Chabad.org website
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    English translation from the Chabad.org website

    For those inquiring about asking a tinok (child) with regards to spacing issues, here’s what the alter rebbe says – 21:46 – “The initial and preferred option is to be careful to leave a space the [width] of a small letter, i.e., of a yud, between words. After the fact, however, one should not disqualify [a passage] unless [the two words] appear as one word to a young child who is neither bright nor slow, as is stated in Yoreh Deah 274[:4] with regard to a Torah scroll. Similarly, the initial and preferred option is to be careful not to… Read more »

    Not nice
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    Not nice

    He didn’t have to embarrass these stores as it is said one is not suppose to embarrass someone in public. He could have said check your mezuzos after purchasing. Or mention his findings but not even embarrassing Chabad. We represent the Rebbe, he just embarrassed the Rebbe by embarrassing Chabad and himself. How dare he embarrass certain Rabbi’s who we all should greatly respect.

    Method in Question
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    Method in Question

    At this point the issue of the kashrus of the mezuzahs themselves is not something the community at large can resolve. That must be left to the rabbonim/sofrim/mumchim. What the community should consider is the method and motive of this self-proclaimed investigator. Are we okay with standing by and watching this unfold in this fashion. ? Sofrim and stores of tashmishei kedushah are being maligned in public by someone whose motives are still unclear. Certainly the tone of the tape is that of someone who thinks he is now an undercover investigative reporter and his comments and article here further… Read more »

    Damage control
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    Damage control

    Now it’s damage control time. The fact is the vendors don’t make sure their products are kosher – גניבה וגניבת דעת
    What a מכשול בפני עיוור!

    Thanks for the update
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    Thanks for the update

    I’m still not convinced that Wolf was right in saying these mezuzos were 100% non-kosher according to all major opinions. He was stupid to name names and for that alone I am glad that he is being taken to beis din. He should be held accountable for bad mouthing specific stores and potentially ruining some of their parnassa.

    Mezuzos Tefillin Checking
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    Mezuzos Tefillin Checking

    The point is. Not just the mezuzos
    What about the Tefillin?
    What about the checking of
    Mezuzos and Tefillin ? If the stores say that they checked and according to 2 sofrim
    They have 9 on 10 or 10 on 10 Posul , who wants to buy there ?

    Sofrim Baal Gaivas a lots of EGO
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    Sofrim Baal Gaivas a lots of EGO

    instead of rectifying the situation with your customer you take him to court, Rabbi Wolf bought this Mezusas legit and he paid you money for it and Rabbi Wolf trusted you SOFRIM that he is purchasing KOSHER Merchandise since he bought it in retail the FIRST SALE DOCTRINE APPLIES you have no right on the merchandise any more he owns it, he can burn it trash it put it in Shaimas go to a SOFER and check those mezusahs. He can print publish write any reviews and he did it professionaly with witnesses etc. by any means. Its your burden… Read more »

    Important
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    Important

    In many cases if a mezuza needs fixing and is fixable , it is not considered possul. We need to fix it but it is not ok to label it as possul. Labeling a mezuza as possul is a huge and extreme responsibility, let alone 50 of them at once

    Rabbonim
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    Rabbonim

    When Rabbonim develop. “Platzos “ then we shall ask Rabbonim
    Let them pasken second chelek SA kehalocho for one
    Chumros are easy
    To pasken as the rishonim the acharonim intended needs much more involved in depth insight and there is no money in that

    It’s either kosher or not
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    It’s either kosher or not

    The cheap Mezuzahs are kosher but maybe not of the highest standard. To declare it is posul instead of saying there are questions is a serious aveirah. What is not kosher is to hire one Sofer and spread a rumor and receive praise from so many … this is why moshiach isn’t here.

    @ Number 16 and 6.
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    @ Number 16 and 6.

    About spacing I think we are speaking about between a letter itself not with a letter next to it. As regards to number 16 and the kots on the left of a yud the main argument is what is considered a kots is a sharp corner considered a kots this is based off of an opinion in beis yosef and the chasum sofer paskened like this so does Rabbi Moshe Finestein and Rabbi Zurkin. If someone has a strong basis for there opinion we do not have a right to pasul it based on a different opinion many lechatchelah stam… Read more »

    Zirkind already clarified they are Kosher
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    Zirkind already clarified they are Kosher

    if you want the Alter Rebbe ksav you are welcome to have it

    Wrong wrong
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    Wrong wrong

    Those mezzuzah were bought “ready to go up on a door.”
    No label said after you buy it it will need fixing and to be rechecked. The stores are 100% in the wrong selling low quality and passul parshas. Their own checkers misses all those
    problems. I now do not wonder why so many muggings and fires in homes. The mezzuzah and all STaM which acts as a partzuf protecting the Yid and his home likley needs fixing or is damaged or passul.

    I was on Wolf's side. Until I opened a Shulchan Oruch.
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    I was on Wolf's side. Until I opened a Shulchan Oruch.

    I assumed that when Wolf said it’s possul, that he was presenting the whole picture. I assumed touching letters for eg. Are possul. But when I saw in Shulchan Oruch (32:5) that touching letters, there are 2 opinions and the stricter opinion is it’s better to fix, but another opinion that it’s fine without fixing, I was very upset. Why call the sofrim “frauds” when these mezuzahs are perfectly kosher according to Shulchan Oruch, albeit not the most mehudar? Why not clarify that there are different opinions in Shulchan Oruch? It’s like saying OU are frauds if they follow a… Read more »

    Thank you
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    Thank you

    Very informative

    45 speaks truth!
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    45 speaks truth!

    I agree with 45, it doesn’t sound like these mezuzas are pasul, just not hiddur.

    from Rav Braun
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    from Rav Braun

    How to Choose a Sofer  When purchasing STAM (Sifrei Torah, Tefilin, Mezuzos, Megilos), we must heed the words of the Shulchan Aruch, “Tzarich lihiyos me’oid yarei Shomayim v’choraid lidvar Hashem hamisasek bekesivas hatefilin v’tikunon.” One involved in writing and fixing STAM must have a high degree of fear of Heaven and tremble at the word of G-d. Before we choose a sofer it is crucial to inquire whether he has high standards and is careful to abide by all the halachos scrupulously, that he has a sterling reputation, as well as a ksav kabbalah confirming that rabbonim have attested that he is qualified to do his job and is known to be a yerei Shomayim. When… Read more »

    #6 stop lying.
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    #6 stop lying.

    Everyone can look up the Shulchon Oruch, 32:46, and see clearly that your claim is false. The Alter Rebbe clearly says that the determination of whether a too-large space within a word, or a too-small space between words is kosher or possul depends on a tinok, and he cites NO OTHER OPINION. You are just making things up, so you have no credibility.

    #52 Rav Braun
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    #52 Rav Braun

    Why are you not putting in context that most of the “pesulim” found are kosher according to some opinions in Shulchan Oruch? For example, touching letters, there are 2 opinions in Shulchan Oruch. Calling this possul and fraud etc is very wrong, especially as we are dealing with cheap mezuzahs or mivtzaim mezuzahs. I am so happy I don’t live in Crown Heights. Real sins such as Mitzi Shem Ra etc are ignored and we are willing to call people frauds because of touching letters, in cases that there are more lenient opinions in Shulchan Oruch. The Rebbe was all… Read more »

    To number 49 . A negiya is possul until fixed
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    To number 49 . A negiya is possul until fixed

    I think you should get some rabbinic counselling. The practical halacha ( halacha lemayseh) is that a negiya is not kosher until fixed. Not even kosher bedieved. However, you can stretch it to say that if someone had a negiya, it was not necessarily a brocha levatolah because in some circumstances there are minority opinions to rely on. But we do not pasken like them

    Omg
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    Omg

    This is so disgusting!!! Again it wasn’t done properly. Making a Youtube hit? I don’t understand his purpose does he care or does he want to shame the stores. Loshen Hara,
    Ask a Rov before you make your video!!!

    #52
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    #52

    these are the cheapest mezuzahs we are talking about
    The people who buy these mezuzahs are people who will be happy with the cheapest quality. They are not for Anash. To say it’s possul and fraud and not mention that there is a clear opinions in Shulchan Oruch that it’s kosher and not necessary to fix is mamash disturbing. Moitzi Shem Ra is much worse than following a more lenient opinion about touching letters for people who want the cheap mezuzahs and would otherwise not purchase the more expensive mezuzah.

    #52
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    #52

    This is good approach for Anash. But we are talking about mivtzoim mezuzahs. They are cheap for people who would otherwise not buy mezuzahs. Saying they are frauds when they are kosher but not mehudar is very wrong. Touching letters, for example, see AR 32:5 that there is room to say they don’t need to be fixed.
    Would you rather that not frum people not purchase mezuzahs because they are too expensive? These mezuzahs are mostly kosher although for Anash not recommended.

    I am very disapointed with Rabbi Braun
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    I am very disapointed with Rabbi Braun

    Your advice is well and good for Anash, get the most hidurim and have a vaad etc. All good. But we are NOT talking about mezuzhas for Anash. We are talking about mivtzoim mezuzhas. About people who would otherwise not buy a mezuza. These mezuzhas are mostly kosher according to more lenient poskim, as multiple mumchim have already pointed out. To call them “fraud” and “machti es horabim” when all they are doing is trying to service a need for non frum Jews who wont pay more, and rely on more lenient opinions in shulchan oruch is wrong. (take for… Read more »

    #55
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    #55

    Yes according to the Alter Rebbe you should fix negios, but not according to all. To say that its “fraud” to sell cheap mezuzhas because it doesn’t follow the Alter Rebbe is like saying those (non Anash for eg) who use an airuv that is not kosher according to the Alter Rebbe are mechalel shabbos. If we want all mezuzhas to be kosher only according to the Alter Rebbe they will need to cost around $100 – out of reach of non Anash yidden. Is that what you want? Yes maybe these should be considered posul for Anash who follow… Read more »

    To 59
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    To 59

    Where did Rabbi Braun call out anyone with these alleged names of machti es Horabim etc

    Please read more carefully before passing judgment on anyone how much more so for a Gaon like Rabbi Braun

    Asking a child in problematic spacing
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    Asking a child in problematic spacing

    Yes it is brought down in shulchan Aruch. But a typical shalos tinok is when a letter is too long, too short, too wide or too narrow and it cannot be fixed without asking the child. However if there is a spacing issue yes you can ask a child if you want to know if it is a problem, but you do not NEED to ask a child, you can just fix it by adding ink to the surrounding letters to bring them closer together or scrape a little bit to make them further apart. So technically speaking you do… Read more »

    A negia is possul?
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    A negia is possul?

    The only one with a negia is the one who made this video!

    Why the double standards? Are these pesulim really posul or not, make up your mind.

    If they are mamesh posul as you say come out and make a correction updated video that machon stam also had the same issues in their mezuzahs and BUYERS BEWARE!

    You are potentially causing thousands of people to buy mezuzahs that are posul!!!!!

    Truth is truth is truth. What is going on?!?

    All the stores/sofrim had issues. Including Michonne Stam
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    All the stores/sofrim had issues. Including Michonne Stam

    Either ALL sofrim in Crown Heights are frauds and machti es horabim in the words of Rabbi Braun (#52), OR they have more lenient poskim who they rely on for mezuzahs for mivtzoim.

    Calling people fraud etc without clarifying that there are more lenient poskim is very wrong.

    Why is this happening? Are the accusers trying to make a name for themselves, or do we not have a single Sofer in Crown Heights that is honest? It’s either one or the other.

    Sad situation.

    #61
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    #61

    Read #52

    He calls those who sell possul mezuzahs machti es horabim.
    From #59

    A negia is posul. According to ALL opinions.
    Guest
    A negia is posul. According to ALL opinions.

    There’s one scenario according to the rashba that it is kosher however it’s not a common case.

    The vendors are trying to cover for themselves.

    And it’s not just “MIVTZOIM” mezuzas. ALL mezuzas being sold on kingnston from most of these vendors have tons of problems with them. Wake up yidden!

    An Out of town sofer who sees this too often

    Ask the sofer to check your mezuzah before you buy it.
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    Ask the sofer to check your mezuzah before you buy it.

    Every Mezuza must be checked letter by letter. The owners of the stores very often over work their magihim and it’s a big problem. Proper effective hagaha take 5 minutes to read through the entire mezuzah twice and fix any minor issues. I don’t think theses magihim spend more than 30 seconds. As well meaning as the store owners might be and as well as their magihim know Halacha a 30 second scan of human eyes just doesn’t cut it. What you need to do when you buy a mezuzah is ask the sofer to check the mezuzah in front… Read more »

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