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Is It Time For a “Seder Rambam” In Chabad Yeshivos?

Op-ed by Rabbi Gershon Avtzon, Rosh Yeshivas Lubavitch Cincinnati: "While we know that the Rebbe is against learning the daily Rambam as part of the curriculum of the Yeshiva, I'm suggesting a Seder to learn thoroughly - in a proper way - the difficult parts of Rambam." Full Story

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Suggestion
April 15, 2023 11:09 pm

Instead of adding more in learning which turns into academic book knowledge and no pnimiyus within themselves, how about teaching bochurim who are going through so much during those years – about faith? Belief in Hashem, living with the Rebbe… why when I ask a bochur to have connection with the Avos, he said what do they have to do with me? So I dont know what chabad yeshivos are teaching but definitely not “living with the times”. Install obeying Hashem and his Torah – if someone tells you to so the opposite even a parent – /to be strong… Read more »

Write your own op ed
Reply to  Suggestion
April 16, 2023 12:28 am

Why are you hijacking the article? Rabbi avtzon makes valid points and good ideas, and your ideas don’t contradict his. They also have nothing to do with his. So write tou8own article

I think they do that
Reply to  Suggestion
April 16, 2023 12:34 am

Its called Chassidus , they learn it in most Chabad schools

Oh thanks
Reply to  I think they do that
April 16, 2023 5:16 am

I’m a bobby so I dont really now what happens there these days.
Thanks for clarifying

actual solution
April 15, 2023 11:57 pm

you can talk a lot about problems as if the are very easy to fix, but practically they’re not so easy to fix

The rebbes seder?
April 16, 2023 2:37 am

Cutting off the rebbes seder ?!?! There’s a seder in lubavitch. Rambam is an extra thing therefore if there’s a need for a shiur for it, it should be after seder. Secondly Addressing a problem with out a legitimate solution is point less.”Addressing a problem is just giving the problem an address to grow even bigger” – Rabbi Greenspan

I don't understand
Reply to  The rebbes seder?
April 16, 2023 6:56 pm

You completely missed his point. All he was trying to say was that their should be a way to teach the harder Halochos of Rambam during seder, so they will have that knowledge for the future. If it is done out of seder, that is completely counterproductive.

Nifred
Reply to  The rebbes seder?
April 16, 2023 11:52 pm

The Rebbe clearly says that Chitas and Rambam should be learned bdavka out of seder hayeshiva!

I’m short
April 16, 2023 8:32 am

Your saying that you think you know better then the rebbe.?!
What about explaining to the Buchrim how important it is. The rebbe is for today’s Buchrim also

Not so sure
April 16, 2023 12:04 pm

Not everyone benefits from learning slowly. Some benefit from fast learning, as a greater sense of accomplishment is felt. I started three prokrim rambam in mesivta and it changed my life. I was exposed to all parts of the Torah, and had a relatively short term goal of only one year. It felt amazing to finish the whole rambam in one year, vs three. Divide that by 14 siyum, it’s help keep the inspiration going. Now as an a adult I slowed down to 1 perek, but as a bochur, if that’s what you are spending your time doing, kol… Read more »

Great concept
April 16, 2023 12:08 pm

Brilliant idea!

there is no question
April 16, 2023 12:13 pm

if the rebbe was against doing it in seder, who are you to now suggest otherwise. i think this is a simple decision and a clear horaah from the rebbe.

not understanding
Reply to  there is no question
April 16, 2023 11:27 pm

did you read the article?

Hmm
April 16, 2023 2:19 pm

When I was a bochur, I was always told that Chitas and Rambam (similar to mivtzoim) are supposed to be done in your free time, since that was the Rebbes intention; to make “chassidim” (above what Yiddishkeit requires) who utilize their free time follow the rebbes directives.

first read all the words of the article
April 16, 2023 8:13 pm

my understanding was that rabbi avtzon isnt suggesting to make the rambam cycle part of seder!
he was rather suggesting that the difficult parts should be learned well, during the three years of mesivta.

a former detroit tomim
Reply to  first read all the words of the article
April 17, 2023 7:59 am

When I was a bochur in Detroit, we actually had such a seder and until today I benefit from that

I’m not understanding
April 16, 2023 11:58 pm

Why are you posting this article. This is a discussion for Hanholos Hayeshivos. Go and discuss it with them. And together come to a conclusion!

easy linear pirush on Rambam
April 17, 2023 9:44 am

Hi,
It was recently publicized that Rav Bluming from Boro Park has written a pirush on all the dificult concepts of Rambam on the spot [=piece by piece] called Rambam Heoruch.

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