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    If Not Shofar, Then Landmark

    With Call of the Shofar debarred, the Landmark Forum is trying to gain a following in Crown Heights. UPDATE: Atlanta Rabbi Ilan Feldman who was to host the meeting has cancelled. Full Story

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    the call of the landmark
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    the call of the landmark

    Here we go again…., let’s have another event in OT. It was pretty inspirational. Is this meeting over Shabbos? Where do I sign up?
    #anynewnews?:)

    Hmmm
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    Hmmm

    The larger question here is how are people so gullible and so vulnerable that they will accept every myth told to them and will jump at every occasion that someone promises them the world?

    And this is not only about cults. This applies to the many baba’s in Israel who rake in millions

    CULT
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    CULT

    What does these events tell us about the matzav in Crown Heights and in the Chabad world in general? WHY are they targeting Chabad? All rhetorical questions only, because we all know the reason.

    Chasid
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    Chasid

    Landmark was outlawed by all the Rabonnim in Montreal, including Rabbi Hendel Z”L, in 2007. This is what they wrote: על דבר השמועה כי ישנם כמה משפחות ויחידים שמחמת מצבם הדחוק או בעיות משפחתיוית וכו’ ורוצים להשתלט על מצבם, בחרו מקח רע לעצמם ולבני ביתם לילך לדרוש בעצת האומות, להשתתף בהרצאות והדרכות במסגרת הנקראת לנדמרק אשר יסודותיה נגד דעת תורתנו הקדושה, ורוח חכמים, ודרכי אבותינו ורבותינו הקדושים ומנוגד מדרכי היראה והצניעות באופן מכוער ומבהיל אשר קשה להעלותם על הכתב.” קביעת הרבנים הייתה ש”אסור בהחלט על פי תורתנו הקדושה להשתתף (בסמינרים אלה) בכל אופן שהוא – הן אנשים והן נשים –… Read more »

    Insane!
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    Insane!

    the klipa doesn’t rest!
    this only means were are doing something good that welcomes a gezeira!
    it’s chof zayin adar, lets all take a hachlata to do something more! fight the darkness with light

    are you kidding me?
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    are you kidding me?

    an estimated 1,800 lubavitchers?

    to number 6
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    to number 6

    Organizers say about 2,000 people have now participated in (Call of The Shofar) COTS workshops, and in recent years, 90 percent have been affiliated with Chabad, which prides itself on outreach toward unaffiliated Jews.

    http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/new-york/chabad-leaders-clamp-down-unorthodox-group-therapy-sessions

    Ad Mosai?!?!
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    Ad Mosai?!?!

    We must wake up…. where are we heading to with such garbage being brought into our shchuna?

    Can't you see?!?!
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    Can't you see?!?!

    There are so many people hurting… So many tzaros within crown heights families. There’s a real need for something ‘kosher’ on the topic of emotional help in a group setting so that we can help individuals and families be truly healthy and happy! Therapy is a tremendous help but people feel so alone and isolated in their issues. We need to support each other as well as bring more of awareness to people living with this on a day-to- day basis and really suffering! If you’d like to join together and share ideas of how we can unite and help… Read more »

    responding to numberr 3
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    responding to numberr 3

    Sorry- not true – they are not targeting Chabad only. Read the article – Rabbi Feldman was to be the Host. He attended Landmark. He is a big Rabbi in Atlanta. Landmark was ousted in Montreal, in Israel by Yad L’achim and France etc. Landmark is not particular; they take everyone’s money and love to target high profile people and groups. High profile people attract many others which all add up to many dollars. One of our own high profile speaker has attended Landmark and COTS and has strongly promoted both. It truly does control one’s mind. He is still… Read more »

    To #9 - Can't YOU see?
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    To #9 - Can't YOU see?

    People hurting, thzros and whatever is no excuse to attend seminars inspired by avoda zara, at best. Even a suspicion (חשש ע”ז) should make every G-d fearing yid to run away from such things and not wait for a rov to officially say its not good. Would you eat at a restaurant that has a questionable hashgacha or mashgiach? Another point: Not to minimize, but the tzaros that people are going through today is nothing compared to H that are parents and grandparents experienced! Nothing! Whether they are geza from Russia, Polish, German or Tunisian and Moroccan, they had family… Read more »

    number 9
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    number 9

    great idea but please do it with Torah, seichel and experienced persons. Otherwise ch’v we simply substitute one problem with another. I am sure you intend to do it properly but I am simply adding my two pennies. Hatzlacha Rabba.

    #9
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    #9

    To number 11- you obviously have NO idea what type of issues real Lubavitchers have. Not to minimize what our grandparents went through, but if you dont break the cycle it unfortanately just continues to get passed down… and chas v’shalom to do anything remotely related to Avodah Zara. The idea is to just unite people really working hard on themselves to ‘break the cycle’ and support each other. and to number 12- I agree 100% it would have to be with the advice of Rabbanim, Mashpiim, and experienced therapists. But crown Heights really needs something like this- a ‘farbrengen’… Read more »

    A New Phenomenon?
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    A New Phenomenon?

    A lot of people are citing the popularity of these groups and pointing a finger at Chabad, saying, “Don’t you see, people are hurting!” People have been “hurting” since adom ha’rishon. Cults have arisen throughout the millennia. The reasons they are periodically successful can be complex: economic struggles, personal issues, societal trends, just to name a few. And yes, it can be a failure of leadership, or an absence of such. There are few, however, who can claim the commitment to Am Yisroel and to each and every Yid that Chabad, with the Rebbe at the helm, has demonstrated for… Read more »

    Just to be clear
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    Just to be clear

    It isn’t only a problem in Chabad. Rabbi Ilan feldman regularly attends and promotes Landmark and he encourages those who attend his synagogue to do so as well. I know personally some of these people under his guidance and they are so deluded by what they hear there and so much under the spell it is impossible to have a rational conversation with them due to their never ending circle of nonsensical thoughts that have apprehended their brains. Hashem should help.

    Simple
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    Simple

    There are a few yungeleit in CH that are still stuck with COTS very deeply, some with money they invested but worse are the ones that were brainwashed and are not even aware how bad is their situation. They are saying very loud and clear that they will continue to becmoe more influential in CH and prove to all that COTS was (ch”v) a savior. Chazal tell us to be very carefull with the צבועים those TWO FACED people. They’ll drog as many people as they can and עוד ידם נטויה היל”ת

    pretty silly
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    pretty silly

    COTS was actually chabad’s answer to landmark. as we can tell from this article, landmark has really ensnared many jews, atlants, etc., therefore, chabad to the rescue via COTS, a kosher version … but nnnooo, we did not get it …

     I did the courses at Landmark...
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    I did the courses at Landmark...

    I grew up in CH went to oholei Torah and shlichus.. i came from a divorced home with 6 siblings,now doing well… Before i did Landmark everything seemed fine, except i didnt care to communicate with my family, i was worried about getting married, shlichus or if i should go into business and why i wasnt rich yet. instead of living in the moment and being happy and being the best honest person i could be. I have a lot of friends who went through these same struggles, which could lead into depression and more. Landmark gave me and them… Read more »

    Imagine...................
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    Imagine...................

    If we would truly apply ourselves to the teachings of chassidus- and fulfill it in our daily lives, especially ahavas yisrael, if people would care for one another without being judgemental, condescending, petty, or bullying , imagine what we could achieve!

    I spoke with Rabbi Feldman
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    I spoke with Rabbi Feldman

    The event is not canceled, it is just being moved to a location out of crown heights…

    To #18
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    To #18

    You are proud, yet you post with no name. If you believe in it enough to encourage others to ignore their local rabbonim and participate regardless, put a name and a face on that pride.

    Number 18
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    Number 18

    Nebbach

    Refuah Sheleima

    Facebook ad clearly says rabbi feldman has not canceled
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    Facebook ad clearly says rabbi feldman has not canceled

    The event was simply moved to a location outside of CH
    See the following link:
    https://www.facebook.com/events/303436286472994/

    to 18
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    to 18

    Your last sentence. You don’t really mean it?

    Hint of a Cult in  Crown Heights
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    Hint of a Cult in Crown Heights

    I quote from the above article:
    “it is an obligation to keep away from any such thing that has even a hint of a cult”

    Can any readers think of accepted activity in Crown Heights that has the ‘hint’ of a cult?

    Just curious.

    to #18
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    to #18

    if your a lubavitcher then then you have to listen to the lubavitcher rebbe. the lubavitcher rebbe said in a sicha beis adar tof shin mem ches, that after gimmel tammuz, you have to listen to the lubavitcher botei dinim. on this matter, the rabbonim of crown heights, and vaad rabonei chabad, said it’s against halachah. this means according to the lubavitcher rebbe’s directives, you have to listen to them and not go.

    Landmark is a tool - not a cult - for an educated Chosid
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    Landmark is a tool - not a cult - for an educated Chosid

    I can’t help but wonder why there is such a fuss about COTS and Landmark. For sure Landmark has been around for years in Crown Heights and seems to be helping people. I have heard some arguments about COTS and Landmark being like the cults of the 1960’s. I happen to have been around in the 60’s. I was in college in 60’s – in the hippie scene. I only learned about Yiddishkeit in the 70’s. I mention this because if you were not there – the way I was – you may not realize the difference the same program… Read more »

    #18
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    #18

    do us all a favor and stop being a missionary on lubavitchers and do it somewhere else.

    So many people hurting.
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    So many people hurting.

    There are so many people hurting and NOT running to meshugasin because their heads are still screwed on straight.
    What does hurting have to do with anything? Nobody on this planet lives a life free of pain and hurt.

    to all of you
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    to all of you

    i agree with number 13.i feel for you number 18 and i will daven.maybe it is not the place(but anyway since i don’t know you…)please speak to and/or get a mashpia.hashem should bentch you with all the brachos.

    politically correct
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    politically correct

    It seems to be that today people are so careful to be politically correct, that they can’t even take a stand on an important issue. That’s why this weekend, at the N’shei Chabad convention one of the main speakers is a student of COTS and Landmark and unabashedly so. He also actively encourages people to go and yet the ‘noshim tzidkoniyos’ of this generation are scared to do what is right and take him off the schedule even so close to the event. Who knows what damage is being done as long as he is a constant invitee to all… Read more »

    to 18
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    to 18

    I got everything you described (breakaway from family issues) in a few sessions from a good therapist, and the satisfaction in life etc…that you talk of, I get from learning chassidus everyday.

     to18
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    to18

    It helped you with your yiddishkeit you say? Where is your kovod towards rabbonim who know as a fact that these groups are detrimental to you and your very existance as a yid. Because you feel liberated by some unconventional method outside of yiddishkeit you can thus justify it is perfectly ok to trap other neshomos? Sign your name so that people can make clear choices when the time comes to you marrying off your children…

    powerful!
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    powerful!

    5 immediate responses to #18
    that means #18 really powerful.
    anyone who has spoken to a group about Chassidus, knows that the people who argue the loudest are the ones who need Chassidus the most.
    the commenters freaked out by #18 – relate to it the most.

    mendel
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    mendel

    rabbi Simon Jacobson and reb manis Friedman is the answer

    If you are curios do the research
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    If you are curios do the research

    Everyone can go online and see clearly who are the individuals organizing these events in COTS and now LANDMARK. Keep your eyes and ears open and remember which families you don’t want your kids to get married to and which organizations you shouldn’t support morally or financially. These guys are simple missionaries! our message to them will be please leave us alone! you are anyway twisting every chabad thought as you wish please leave chabad alone!

    ppl havent taken to heart
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    ppl havent taken to heart

    The call of the shofar obviously wasnt heeded to and we need to PLAN a PRogram of Chsidishkeit , and Mashpiiyim and stuff around CH , although I see alot of good has come from the COTS thing, a lot more obviously needs to be done!!!!

    new organization
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    new organization

    I think we need “in – reach” retreats and shabatons for those that need it. ..jli, ncfje, any other organization want to take this on? Is similar to the rebbe’s call about “our house is on fire” we need to put the fires out. .. but this time is here in crown heights with beard wearing men and head covering women

    other things to worry about...
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    other things to worry about...

    Oh G.od, this is ridiculous. Do you know how many “kosher” people don’t know how to act like a human being, and ruin their own families (all the while keeping kosher, davening in a minyan and wearing a “uniform.”
    Let’s worry about more serious things than people seeking spirituality. If they get a little goofy what do I care?
    Go to Israel and see all the “interesting” people out there. Energy healers, all this weird stuff. Let them be. Am yisrael chai…..

    anything you want for your self is available in landmark. and its not a cult.
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    anything you want for your self is available in landmark. and its not a cult.

    i went to the landmark, if your goal is to get closer to hashem you will get it there its not a cult. they are just removing anything that blocks you from getting there, they show you clearly your yeitzer hora they call it voice in your mind. You can check it out www​.landmarkworldwide.com. You can ask the rabbi from Atlanta about the yiddshkeit part. and please make research on it what it is really before you write a comment. many shluchim did the form.

    Just a Thought
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    Just a Thought

    I don’t know if this is the proper forum but my thought is I spent many years of my life with extreme emotional pain and depression. After finding Chabad i received a blessing from the Rebbe at a persional yechidus with the Rebbe and even though it took many years I am well now. and feel very much for young people of our generation who do not feel that they still have a Rebbe who can and will help them if they will only turn to him. I do think that it is a crying shame that at this late… Read more »

    to 40
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    to 40

    Do research. A documentary was done in France about Landmark. You can see clear for yourself it is a cult.

    Let the experts talk
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    Let the experts talk

    people argue online if this organization is kosher or not. There are professional people, rabbonim and organizations that are the experts on missionaries and cults. One and perhaps the main organization doing that is an organization that the REBBE supported and directed (mostly behind scenes) and that is YAD L’ACHIM in Israel that was directed by Rabbi Sholom Ber Lipshitz OBM. Everyone can visit their website yadlachim.co.il and see clearly what they wrote about Landmark. They conclude that this is AVODA ZARA without any doubt. so anyone preaching that people should participate in the functions of Landmark and alike (COTS… Read more »

    מין אין בו, נחשים ועכרבים יש בו
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    מין אין בו, נחשים ועכרבים יש בו

    וואו זיינען אונזערע משפיעים וואו איז אונזערע חסידים וואו איז מה דסני עלך לחברך לא תעביד די משפיעים טרינקן משקה די משכלים דרשנ’ן אז “חסידות האט אלע ענטפערדס חסידים איז שוין ניטא ראשי ישיבות ליגן אין די גמרא די רבנים ליגן אין פוסקים די עלטערן זענען ביידע ניט אין שטוב, שכר לימוד דארפ מען צאלן די מלמדים דרייען זיך אין “קונפרנס’ן די מורה’ס סתם פוסטעוון איז במילה ניטא א שאלה וואס איז מיט די קינדער אז מיר געבן נישט וואס זיי דראפן באקומען זיי וואס דיי דארפן פון אנדערע אז ממיינט אז מגיט זיי איז פועל ממש זאגט אנדערש יגעת… Read more »

    to # 4
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    to # 4

    it seems that you need to research a little deeper- it’s a matter of big money that some yungeleit planned to invest / or have invested and thus feel very comfortable to pressure everyone they could, to attend.

    Your all missing the point
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    Your all missing the point

    Levi Backman was quoted! Levitikus!!!

    Levi Leviticus Backman updated on Facebook:
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    Levi Leviticus Backman updated on Facebook:

    UPDATE: WE WILL BE MOVING THE EVENT TO A VENU OUTSIDE OF CROWN HEIGHTS AND RABBI FELDMAN WILL BE LEADING THE EVENT

    Answers to Hasofer
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    Answers to Hasofer

    If you look at the Rebbe’s Haoras to the HaSofers in Australia concerning Meditation, Yoga etc. He clearly wanted them to extract the kosher aspect of these practices, and utilize them for people in a kosher way.Why cant we do the same with Landmark? There are clearly positive lessons that people need to heal from pain…Just take out their Kelipah Brainwashing shtick…

    Leah in Va
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    Leah in Va

    I’m not scared to sign my name! Missionaries target lonely people. People who feel unloved, uncared for, emotionally hurting people. They fill the void and grab their soul. That is why it matters if people are hurting. I’ve been fighting missionaries for a few years now. One group has their head quarters here in Richmond. They are devious. They pretend to be frum to snare people. They know hebrew. They network. That is why you can’t be friends with them at all. Anyone who is, is endangering all their friends, even if they themselves are not at risk. Missionaries are… Read more »

    #1
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    #1

    #1 not everything is a joke. Grow up already.

    to # 42 thanks
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    to # 42 thanks

    thanks for mentioning the documentary in France. it is comforting to know that when there is a moral issue in Crown Heights that we can look to France for clarification.

    To # 48
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    To # 48

    The Rebbe’s basis for allowing to extract kosher aspects of meditation is because meditation was not invented by Avoda Zara! Don’t try to confuse anyone by hiding the truth! Landmark is an Avoda Zara and is not all about meditation! and so is COTS! The gemoro in Sanhedrin (29) clearly states that we don’t try to negotriate or give ideas (even halacha suggestions that will help them in bais din) to anyone who is a מסית ומדיח לעבודה זרה. and it is so in halacaha as well. furthermore, according to many poskin it isn’t only if he is a מסית… Read more »

    to number 31
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    to number 31

    you are correct.. know that the “greater the height the greater the fall”!
    the person you refer to is riding high but let’s see how long this will last.? he best do tshua.

    To 51
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    To 51

    Moral Issue?
    Its a documentary on this cult by a respectable national TV!
    As a consequence of that report, Landmark was closed down and outlawed in France until this day!
    Doesnt worry you?

    to #42. Documentary reveals Landmark
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    to #42. Documentary reveals Landmark

    #51 We look at documentary from France to remove the mask these LGATs wear and WE LOOK to our rabbonim to pasken. We do not look to a Yochid from Atlanta (not known as a Posek) to override all the Rabonim of Montreal, The Rabonim of Eretz Yisroel, and our own Rabonim in Crown Heights and elsewhere.

    Out of Towner
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    Out of Towner

    So even when all members of the Crown Heights Bais Din agree on a topic, they can’t issue 1 letter stating their united stand? Landmark isn’t the biggest problem. The lack of achdus amongst Anash is the inroad for all these other problems.

    Famous Lubavitch Speaker
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    Famous Lubavitch Speaker

    Famous Lubavitch Speaker who gives Shiurim daily in our community for a Choshuva organization has attended both Landmark & COTS!!!!

    to 42
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    to 42

    I dont need to see a documentary I saw it life I was there, based on the definition of cult it didn’t match what I learned there. i invite you to really check it out life No documentary. they have introduction every week or call them they guna answer all your questions. again many chabad shluchim did the landmark they dont belong to a cult chas vashulim

    to #53 and #31 and #10
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    to #53 and #31 and #10

    This person you refer to – who is named after the frierdiker Rebbe (no less) is greatly responsible for this disaster!
    I am very pained for those that are suffering and unfortunately got ensnared into this – I truly wish they will not get too hurt. My heart aches for them, especially one particular person who is promoting this – he is really a wonderful person and it is so unfortunate that he got into this!! I wish him only good and pray that he find his way back and that he find true happiness!!!

    to 51
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    to 51

    My comment was not for you. Unfortunately, not everyone respects the Rabbis and what they have to say. I am concerned for people who want to do a little research and dont know where to turn. I dont think thats so terrible. But I agree with you that we should all be concerned with the fact that our Rabbanim are not given the proper respect. Anyone who puts down our Rabbonim are playing with fire.

    to #53
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    to #53

    I believe that if you know the name of the lecturer you shuld name since he was influenced by a cult and he can subtly introduce unwanted thoughts and practices to his listeners

    consistency
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    consistency

    So what about the yoga center with salutations to the sun god masked as something else, opening up in the heart of CH????

    avodah zara is avodah zara
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    avodah zara is avodah zara

    there is no gray area regarding avodah zorah. avodah zorah is avodah zorah is avodah zorah and thats it. a regular person is not qualified to extract any good from it (as one write suggested), unless they got a brocha from the Rebbe to do so. No Jew is allowed to have any gain or benefit from avodah zorah. Learn chumash to know the end result of yidden who worshipped avodah zorah. its the same here under a different name. if anyone has problems there are means to get help – mashpia, therapist, psychologist or whatever one needs.

    T0 #18a
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    T0 #18a

    You are very wrong no matter how you feel. Your are told that
    pris plenty of kosher help availableoblem

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    to 58

    if they are really harmless and they are really helping people then at the very least they should not call themselves landmark because landmark is by definition a cult, without any doubt. So they are stupid for calling themselves that, and if they are really following the landmark way they will become destructive, and if they dont seem so now, it is because they are sneaky and pretending to be oh, so sweet and friendly….. hashem yishmor!!

    to all those who went
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    to all those who went

    and see nothing wrong…obviously!! you are too brainwashed to realize!!!!
    may Hashem help you out of it!!

    money
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    money

    so it seems to me that this guy Frishling was into the money for all this, and was not at all careful about the content, he just wanted to do something which worked for others which he could easily put together and make alot of money. No yiras shomayim as to what he was “serving”.

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