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    Goodbye To Our Summer Plans…

    From the COLlive inbox: A parent is furious over Oholei Torah in Crown Heights changing summer dates without notice. Full Story

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    Woman take a chill.
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    Woman take a chill.

    Sounds like world war three is about to break loose

    What's the difference?
    Guest
    What's the difference?

    What difference does it make to the parents??

    look at the hebrew dates.
    Guest
    look at the hebrew dates.

    Look at the hebrew dates. Same as always!

    so true
    Guest
    so true

    Unfortunately its not only summer
    this year chanukah vacation for kindergarten was changed as well
    also last year pesach vacation preschool dates were changed once I already booked tickets
    So upsetting my son had to miss school

    2 months waste of time
    Guest
    2 months waste of time

    i believe the 2 months are a total waste of time…europe only has 4 weeks..stop complaining

    i dont know y u r so angry. or at least thats the tone Im getting.
    Guest
    i dont know y u r so angry. or at least thats the tone Im getting.

    many frum boys schools end start the school year earlier and end it later. so check again. what do the kids need 10-12 weeks of summer vacation for? my boys are in ohr menachem and they do that. and guess what. the boys love it. when everyone else starts camp they have half a day learning and half a day summer program. they love it and benefit from the structure.

    very confusing
    Guest
    very confusing

    this article is very unclear. no real argument is presented

    What about the other boys schools in the neighborhood?
    Guest
    What about the other boys schools in the neighborhood?

    Uly, darchai, ohr menachem?

    Bh
    Guest
    Bh

    Kudos to ohlei toire
    To cut the summer was long needed

    Two Months
    Guest
    Two Months

    Yeshiva Brunoy has just one week off the whole Summer.

    dipping apple in honey
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    dipping apple in honey

    I am very uncomfortable with this comment. There seems to be a sarcastic tone challenging what this school a moised carryimg the name of torah and the Rebbe.

    they are learning torah the holy of holies. I think we need to be more careful the way we speak about torah, and yehsivas that educate our children to follow our heritage. after all “torah iz dbeste schorah”

    It's too long
    Guest
    It's too long

    It’s about time Oholei Torah followed the lead of schools like the cheder in Chicago that have extended the summer by a full foir weeks.
    The Rebbe wanted the schools open all summer. Camp was designed for nom frum kids, not for Lubavitch kids.
    If you live in a Chabad community and your kids NEED camp, either your children have unique needs or the school has problems.

    Chutzpah
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    Chutzpah

    You should thank them for all the hard work done by people for
    No or little money so u kids should have good chinuch
    And if you have something that looks questionable ask about respectful instead of bashing them with out saying u name

    Angry Parent
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    Angry Parent

    I am also a parent who just heard about this. It is outrageous! Unacceptable and must be changed or we’re keeping our kids home the first week of school!

    Ummmmm
    Guest
    Ummmmm

    As another parent in the school I find your tone extremely disrespectful. If you need to vent than do it directly to them. Pic yourself up and make a meeting with whomever you feel should hear your opinion as one parent views it. To post this disgusting article on a public forum as if it were the voice of all parents is immature and wrong. And one more thing….choose a school for your children that you look up to and respect cuz your kids won’t do well if you’re in a huff about the decisions of the school they go… Read more »

    outrageous
    Guest
    outrageous

    Hope this is a joke! Can’t possibly be true they would change the school calendar this way and not find out if it works for the parent body

    @ A concerned parent
    Guest
    @ A concerned parent

    While you are concerned for your vacation the school is concerned for your child’s education.

    Hopefully all the other schools will follow suit.

    Why do you scoff at the Apple being dipped in honey?

    Finally the school is taking education seriously even though it would be much easier for them to follow the goyishe calader they are doing what is right and making sure our children get the proper preparation for Rosh hashono and some quality school time before they break up for the yomim tovim

    I agree with every word!
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    I agree with every word!

    Every word spoken here is valid! Hopefully the people making this decision will rethink it and change their minds. Another point is that it seems our community is afraid of having (Chas vshalom!) some FAMILY time! PLEASE DO NOT TAKE OUR SUMMERS AWAY FROM US AND OUR CHILDREN! I don’t go to the Country like some others do but even the time here until Labor Day gives us time to recharge ourselves for the upcoming year!

    I don't understand
    Guest
    I don't understand

    I really don’t understand the hysteria about boys and girls not having the same dates. This happens frequently throughout the year too. What I do understand is the frustration about not being told. Many people have already made their summer plans, booked tickets, etc, and this gets in the way.

    8 week summer
    Guest
    8 week summer

    the summer is already 8 weeks to accommodate parents who want it shorter, but who does this help !?

    Comment 4
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    Comment 4

    Why are u complaining. School started earlier his year and the teachers got less Chanukah vacation!

    @angry parent
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    @angry parent

    Poor kids
    First they have angry parents
    Then their angry parents don’t let them go to school
    You should probably not post your name

    GOOD  BYE SUMMER PLANS??
    Guest
    GOOD BYE SUMMER PLANS??

    I have no intentions of coming home a day earlier then the end of August as in the past!!!! My kids will in school 2 weeks late!!

    comment
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    comment

    Schools don’t change calendars so drastically. They need to consult parents if it’s a 2 week change. Period

    To 3 "look at the hebrew dates"
    Guest
    To 3 "look at the hebrew dates"

    It always goes by the English dates (end June – beginning September), not the Hebrew ones, so it can’t always be the “same dates”.

    Oh my goodness!!
    Guest
    Oh my goodness!!

    Uhhhh is this News for real? Why in the world are they changing the summer dates so drastically!? I already booked tickets for my family to go to Israel mid August…How in the world can they suddenly spring this on us?

    Respect for our School?
    Guest
    Respect for our School?

    Did they show respect for us when they told the camps about the dates to see if it works for them and not asked us to see if it works for us !?!

    apple dipped in honey
    Guest
    apple dipped in honey

    It school starts August 26-28 there is plenty of time before Rosh Hashana to learn

    Great plan
    Guest
    Great plan

    More than half the kids in the community stay in CH for the majority of the summer going to camp in some cases with staff that could not find a job anywhere else for us parents this is the biggest blessing

    Our kids are back in a structured enviroment Learning Torah for most of the day that is all kids need

    I feel the same way
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    I feel the same way

    Although I don’t have any daughters in school, I agree with the author of this! The summer was just fine as it was and we learned about Rosh Hashana beautifully. Do you all who commented above actually dislike when your kids have the full fledged summer they deserve? Please keep it as it was!!! Maybe this is just a rumor!?

    This is not even true, don’t worry
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    This is not even true, don’t worry

    My nephew teaches in OT and never heard of this calendar change… Can it be it’s not true? If they never let us know, it can’t possibly be true. We have lives and plans and our summer weeks are sacred to us and our kids!

    What planet do you all come from!?
    Guest
    What planet do you all come from!?

    I understand there are working parents etc but it almost sounds like some of you are afraid for your kids to be on vacation. Kids need time to relax between camp and school also! I hope this will NOT BE HAPPENING!

    Long overdue decision
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    Long overdue decision

    It’s actually quite sad that the school dates (all schools besides maybe california and chicago) are being decided by the dates of camp. Schools are the ones that should decide when to start what and when to end. It’s about time camps run after the schools. Secondly, There’s no reason school shouldn’t start and end the same dates EVERY year? It’s outrageous that some years the schools start in middle or worse at the end of Elul! It’s about time that schools end every year at the end of sivan and start at the beginning of elul. There’s absolutely no… Read more »

    Different take
    Guest
    Different take

    This is not the way to be mechanech kids to be disrespectful to their parents and causing them major inconvenience. If a family wants to spend time as a family, they now can’t.

    Rule 1 of yiddishkeit:
    Don’t take on strigencies that are a burden to others.

    to comment 19
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    to comment 19

    This is the girls starting more than 2 weeks after the boys- not a difference of a day or two

    Take rebbis off your list
    Guest
    Take rebbis off your list

    Rebbis were told after it was done and sealed. It was a secret for them just like it was for you. Pay for extra weeks of work??

    To #1 "Woman take a chill"
    Guest
    To #1 "Woman take a chill"

    Don’t tell people to take a chill when something upsets them and rightfully so.

    I share your sentiments!
    Guest
    I share your sentiments!

    I totally agree with this writer. And if she/he sounds mad it’s probably more frustrated! I feel the same way. Whoever is making these decisions needs to consult with the parent body!!!!!

    About time
    Guest
    About time

    Really glad to hear Oholei Torah has finally done this, the summer vacation is way too long.

    comment 15
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    comment 15

    an op-ed is an opinion of one person. Not meant to represent the entire community. It’s an OPINION which you are free to disagree with

    Collive, why are you even posting this??
    Guest
    Collive, why are you even posting this??

    Parent, please chill. So the vacation dates for your sons and daughters are not the same, it’s ok. As a family of many girls and few boys, my mother would sometimes buy my brothers a special treat for going to school on days that the girls didn’t have school. It works, and your sons will be happy to have more school. Please pick your battles for what to complain about and be happy your sons are learning more Torah! What can give you more nachas?? And you still have plenty of time for a family vacation. I hope you did… Read more »

    What the complain ?
    Guest
    What the complain ?

    So not clear !
    Communication is important .
    The summer is shorter that perfect . Let’s wish for even more .
    But what this early ending ?

    Heard about this via whatsapp
    Guest
    Heard about this via whatsapp

    My sons class has been saying this rumor on the WhatsApp groups and many mothers have been saying their sons will just miss the first 10 days of school! I might just join them!

    lipkind
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    lipkind

    wrong as a parent our duty and only job is to support our children’s yeshivos. your feelings are a private matter.

    Move to Israel!
    Guest
    Move to Israel!

    For those of you who love this new way, MOVE TO EUROPE OR ISRAEL!! We live in Brooklyn.

    many comments missed the point!
    Guest
    many comments missed the point!

    THE SUMMER IS NOT BEING MADE SHORTER! it is 8 weeks like last year!!! IT IS MID JUNE TO MID AUGUST INSTEAD OF END OF JUNE TO END OF AUGUST

    It's the DATES that are the problem.
    Guest
    It's the DATES that are the problem.

    There is nothing wrong with an 8 week summer.
    However, there are several things that are wrong in the way this is being done.
    a) Parents were completely disregarded and ignored in this process.
    b) The boys will be back in the city in the heat of August
    c) The BR girls will have to be in the city for three weeks with nothing to do while the boys are in school.

    If they simply want an 8 week summer, July and August would be fine.
    The intention may be good, but changing the summer to mid June- mid August is not the answer!!

    Derech Eretz
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    Derech Eretz

    B”H
    Derech eretz kadmo l’Torah – are you teaching your children respect for their teachers and school by your ranting and raving? Moshiach is coming – the children will not even be let out of school for that most important event! Let’s get ready and prepare for that most auspicious time and value chinuch.

    europe and israel comments
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    europe and israel comments

    When in Rome, do as the Romans
    We live in the United States
    Summer is July and August
    if you want to shorten our summer to 8 weeks to add learning time, fine but why change the summer

    Mosad of Rebbe
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    Mosad of Rebbe

    Why all the hysteria and bashing a rebbe’s mosad?!? Chill!! It happens to be that this coming year rah hashana comes out pretty early and it makes sense for the children to have time to learn about this yom Tov

    To #49
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    To #49

    Exactly!!! Summer is July and August. If u want it to be 8 weeks, fine but keep it the 8weeks that make sense for us

    #39 you didn't read the fine print
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    #39 you didn't read the fine print

    THE SUMMER IS THE SAME LONG AS LAST YEAR- 8 weeks it’s only pushed earlier to start Mid-June and end Mid-August. There is no more
    learning time!!!!!

    Check the Hebrew calendar
    Guest
    Check the Hebrew calendar

    It makes sense for a yiddishe chassidishe school to realize that Rosh Hashana this year comes out super early. For kids to be somewhat prepared the school should definitely start early! Check out what the rebbe says about schools that are closed in the month of Elul.

    don't get it
    Guest
    don't get it

    why are you all sanctimonious parents writing about more learning time when it’s not adding one minute of learning time
    just changing the schedule of when the 8 weeks begins

    1 out of a thousand moms
    Guest
    1 out of a thousand moms

    Anyone who wants can go and put up an article.
    Go oholei torah.
    Besides this is what the Rebbe wanted. Should have been done long ago. Now you’re upset only because you’re used to this…

    huh
    Guest
    huh

    i dont think the summer is cut shorter if last day of school is june 14. isnt that a bit early? yo still get the full two months if starting august 20. I think you have to read the article closer and i find it appalling when parents are upset that the boys will be having an extra week of yeshiva. |Those that have plans will send late but that is not a reason those staying here should not be in yehisva

    for real?
    Guest
    for real?

    more school, less idle

    even if this was the right decision
    Guest
    even if this was the right decision

    the school needs to work together with the parents and not just make decisions without their input or addressing their concerns

    What changed since we were kids?
    Guest
    What changed since we were kids?

    We always learned about Rosh Hashana very nicely. I understand RH is early so instead of starting after Labor Day we can start last 2 days of August, but August 20 is still SUMMER

    Larry
    Guest
    Larry

    They should have school the whole summer $400 a month versus 4000 a month.11 weeks off in the summer is plenty of time besides how about all the kids run around the city a whole summer

    #33 comment
    Guest
    #33 comment

    this was one man on the board
    not a decision voted by the entire board

    To #55
    Guest
    To #55

    1 out of a thousand moms!? Come join my class WhatsApp’s. 1 out of every 10 mothers is fine with this. Everyone else wants things as it always was!

    outrage
    Guest
    outrage

    they cannot change dates on us parents without asking the parent body.
    WE WILL KEEP OUR BOYS HOME TOO….AS THIS IS OUR ONLY FAMILY TIME THAT WE ARE ALL TOGETHER!!!!

    bashing rebbe's mosad
    Guest
    bashing rebbe's mosad

    this article doesn’t bash the rebbes mosad
    it states an unfair policy instituted by its board
    let’s not mix two very different things up

    dates not unusual
    Guest
    dates not unusual

    most out- of- town schools end earlier in june than we in ny have been ending, and start earlier in elul than we’ve been starting. that’s not the real complaint here. the valid part of this parent’s complaint is the lack of the school’s communication with the parents. people have booked family vacations, overseas trips, bungalow rentals etc. etc. based on the old paradigm. at least one year’s warning should have been given. there are really no valid excuses for not having done so. p.s. she’s also right about the need for the girls’ and boys’ schools to coordinate their… Read more »

    rosh hashana
    Guest
    rosh hashana

    if school starts august 27 there is still enough time to learn. and then boys and girls
    schools only off by a week, instead of by 2

    i should be so lucky
    Guest
    i should be so lucky

    wish i such problems!
    ill health in the family for years , the poverty and loneliness that comes with it , no one cares , we just struggle on day by day waiting for our mazel to change, we daven and learn and accept our lot and live our excruciatingly hard life b’simcha , this nonsense annoys me .
    dip the apple in the honey comment says all!

    Thank you
    Guest
    Thank you

    Thank you for expressing your concerns and frustrations.
    Unfortunately, most of the posted comments seem to be coming from people who have very little direction.

    same as always
    Guest
    same as always

    According to the hebrew dates, it’s the same. End about gimmel tammuz and begin again about tes elul.

    summer is not any shorter
    Guest
    summer is not any shorter

    it’s just at an inconvenient time for the community. No one is furious at Oholei torah in general. We love the school and all it does for our boys. We don’t love a calendar change that doesn’t make the summer longer or shorter but makes it start in mid June

    #12 Chicago is a disaster
    Guest
    #12 Chicago is a disaster

    The majority of parents and students are not happy with how the school has denied their students with a productive summer like other schools out of town.

    To the author of this op - ed
    Guest
    To the author of this op - ed

    If you are a parent, which I assume you are, I do think you should speak more respectfully about your child’s school and school administration. If you do not, you cannot expect your child to respect his school. And if he does not respect his school, it usually comes with not respecting what the school stands for. Chachamim, hizaharu bidivreichem… If you feel the school erred, the only thing you should do is respectfully approach the decision makers. But a disrespectful article is not healthy for you, your child, and then neighborhood for which it is being posted. That’s what… Read more »

    Wrong focus
    Guest
    Wrong focus

    It was the camps that asked for the change and that’s the biggest chutzpah. Why would a school change their dates for camp because it’s convenient for the camp.

    To #61
    Guest
    To #61

    Stop spreading things that aren’t true. I happen to know that this wasn’t the case here. It was one of their ideas, but was voted on by all of them. These are the facts.

    Public School
    Guest
    Public School

    Dear anonymous parent,
    You seem to care more about vacation dates than your children’s jewish education. Perhaps you should consider sending your kids to public school, the vacation dates are certainly better…

    elul school
    Guest
    elul school

    if school starts august 27, half of elul is in school
    time, and they’re still in camp Rosh Chodesh Elul… so we can’t have the whole month in school can we
    month

    Oholei Torah chai
    Guest
    Oholei Torah chai

    Thank you Oholei Torah for all you do for our children
    Giving the best chinuch and making sure the learning is wholesome
    This decision is long overdue
    Boys should not be in Camp vacation more than 3 weeks.
    Boys should be spending their time learning and davening and serving Hashem with all their eser kochos.
    Thank you Rabbi Lustig , our Brocho to our Yeshiva and our children
    May you be blessed with all good forever

    confused
    Guest
    confused

    to those who keep
    writing about more
    learning why aren’t you upset school is over so
    early? Why does June 14 as last day of school make
    u happy? They’re not adding more
    school
    later on,
    just bumping it earlier

    To #39
    Guest
    To #39

    If need be, send your kids over to my house in the “extra” summer weeks. Why are so many of you desperate for more school time!? You say it’s for Torah learning but I have a hunch you want your kids taken care of by someone else!! Kids need breathing time. Our boys have a few days chanukah break and that’s all! Kids need time to run around and relax

    too important a change for parents to be left out
    Guest
    too important a change for parents to be left out

    we needed to be consulted
    this is unacceptable

    Puleeeze
    Guest
    Puleeeze

    OT is a private school. From what and where do you assume your opinion has any weight or importance? Yes, they COULD let you know (if there was some organized system of decision making and communication), but that you expect it? are entitled to it? Did they let you know what skills your child will own at the end of the school year? Or does that not concern you as much as your calendar? Do you know thee daily lunch menu (or how many staff members directly interact with the student in the lunchroom)? But while on the topic of… Read more »

    Chicago’s girls high school
    Guest
    Chicago’s girls high school

    The calendar is set by the camps. When camp ends then the counselors have a few days off and school begins.
    School ends in time for students to leave for counsellor jobs. The tail wags the dog

    More breaks during the winter
    Guest
    More breaks during the winter

    First of all summer used to be 10 weeks long. Now it’s been cut down to 8. This schedule is fine but they must give some days off during the school year! Our children’s vacation has been cut from all sides. The European schools have days off every few weeks! Our kids go 10 months straight! Even the Chanukah weekend has been cut shorter!

    lol. wow we didnt start chanuka yet
    Guest
    lol. wow we didnt start chanuka yet

    and we’re already booking summer plans! most people stay in crown heights, the next large group goes to the country. and how many families really go on vacation in crown heights! and from the few that do, u think i believe that they already booked their plans! lol

    another point that is confusing
    Guest
    another point that is confusing

    bulletin given out to rebbeim says school starts september 3 next school year (2019) and this year it’s august 20th… does that make
    any sense at all

    Parents you have choices
    Guest
    Parents you have choices

    If you really feel that you dont like what the school is doing, take your kids out of the school… Personally there are many of us who will not be in the mountains over the summer, and we will be very happy to send our kids to school. (I have a place upstate, and will be inconvenienced by this, but I can see the broader picture.) I take inconvenience if it comes along with the nachas of a well prepared child during the yomim tovim.

    to #81
    Guest
    to #81

    yes we parents are
    told by rebbeim what skills can be expected by the end of the year and we are also given
    lunch menus

    Hmmmm
    Guest
    Hmmmm

    Firstly, to those complaining why camps were informed first… Camps are not called and consulted with. Their dates need to be based around the schools (and same thing regarding the yeshivos) Therefore, the camps chased the schools and found out when the dates were not the other way around, and only once that was confirmed could they set up their dates. 2. You may have had a point but you lost me A. When u started ranting instead of writing it slightly more like an adult, and more importantly B.when you started making fun of learning in Elul (apples and… Read more »

    my concern is
    Guest
    my concern is

    What are parents supposed to do with their sons while their mothers are working, and alot of them teachers, teaching our daughters and other children who still have school?
    Why do Boys and girls have to start and finish camp on different weeks? It is very difficult and expensive for transportation (especially for the out of towners who have to pay unaccompanied minor fees, taxis etc..) and having visiting day on different weeks.

    Israel
    Guest
    Israel

    In Israel the religious boy schools have 2 weeks off while the girl schools have the same as secular schools.

    female teachers
    Guest
    female teachers

    What should all the hundreds of female morahs in our community do when they have to teach and their boys are home

    A day camp director (not in NY)
    Guest
    A day camp director (not in NY)

    As a camp director, I always check the school dates before finalizing our camp dates. Most often the new school calendar hasn’t been decided or publicised yet when we need the answers. We usually connect with the head of school and yes request to know as soon as it’s finalized. Unless It’s that different in NY, it’s not the school who’s telling the camps. It’s the camps who makes sure to find out one of the first from the schools.

    Don’t like it- leave the school
    Guest
    Don’t like it- leave the school

    We at Oholei Torah can make any decision we want. If you do not like it, the please find a new school for your son. We are packed to the top with students so obviously everything we do is absolutely correct! Good luck on finding a school that can reach our greatest in Yiddishe and chassidishe teachings.

    Perspective
    Guest
    Perspective

    I’m assuming you haven’t yet registered your child for next year’s school year. So if you are so upset with the school, you still have a chance to switch to another school (or dare we suggest to actually alter your holy vacation plans with 9 months notice). It’s also ironic that you booked your summer plans by early DECEMBER, without considering to register your child for school which would/should have started about a week after your return (had your vacation not been so close to when school was “supposed” to start, this wouldn’t be an issue…). It’s also puzzling why… Read more »

    Super disappointing
    Guest
    Super disappointing

    Even the teachers weren’t involved in this decision. What makes you think the parents would be ….

    Fragmented community.
    Guest
    Fragmented community.

    This change would not add or take away from the amount of days the boys have off. What it does do, is to have the boys and girls have different schedules. To the working parants, (most of us) this means kids at home for 13 weeks instead of 11,as was until now, which was to much already, for families with two working parents. Let the boards of all the schools, of this one community, figure this out. If the girls school refuses to go along with it, you’ll have no choice but to leave it as is. Don’t just break… Read more »

    99% like: more school days
    Guest
    99% like: more school days

    this article was written by only 1% of parents.

    most parents are thankful to oholei torah leadership, for for free adding school days, as the rebbe did beg!

    The Rebbe doesn't want long vacation for boys
    Guest
    The Rebbe doesn't want long vacation for boys

    As is seen in the Rebbe’s letters. Our boys yeshivos should be the same as in EY- 3 weeks in the summer, time off during Tishrei, 1+ week off before Pesach.

    All the frum boys mosdos in EY- including Chassimidm/ Litvishe- and many in the world at large operate this way, while the girls get the whole summer off.

    OT Zal starts on RC Elul, like all yeshivos worldwide.

    ridiculous
    Guest
    ridiculous

    every year they make summer shorter and shorter

    In support of OT, but...
    Guest
    In support of OT, but...

    still why ending so early in June-
    Even one more week would make a big difference for families

    At the same time would like to say thank you to all staff for all you do.

    Only Hashem knows how much you put in to our precious kinderlach. May Hashem repay you with revealed brochot in all areas and may we all go together to Yerushalayim with Moshiach NOW

    To comment 71
    Guest
    To comment 71

    I am not quite sure where you get your Information from, but as a Chicago parent with several boys in the Cheder, my boys absolutely LOVE Cheder camp!! As does all the boys in their class and the parents. Cheder camp in Chicago is a great success!

    To #71
    Guest
    To #71

    I wrote the post you commented on AND I live in chicago. I for one am delighted with the extra summer program. I have not heard others complain, but I’m sure there are some that don’t like it.
    One thing is certain, it’s not a disaster. The cheder is a top notch school and the sole reason the anash community has exploded in size.

    Now bais rivka is going to need to decide if they will follow ....
    Guest
    Now bais rivka is going to need to decide if they will follow ....

    Good move oholei Torah.

    Reb Michoel (also pres. Trump) style.

    Do what’s right. Let others decide how to react.

    By the way, camp can be 6 weeks too…

    Go Oholei Torah!
    Guest
    Go Oholei Torah!

    So proud to hear if this positive step. We are chassidim of the rebbe! There are many written talks of the rebbe about how Yeshivah should be open in the month of Elul.

    Overnight camp
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    Overnight camp

    Unfortunately some of these children will loose the opportunity to go to an overnight camp. The Rebbe spoke so highly of children going to an overnight camp. My boys once told their principal(yes, Oholei Torah), why can’t camp be 10 months, and school for two months,they felt they gained and grew so much more during the summer months in camp.
    Chicago, makes there vacation that it is impossible for the boys to go to an overnight camp.
    Well that is the same yeshiva that does not play any sports!

    Dovid
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    Dovid

    thanks to the board for implementing something that is way overdo. it’s crazy to have 9 weeks off…about time…tobthe parent that whining…cant believe a parent behaves this way..stop complaing…grow up..

    To #4
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    To #4

    I am really sorry to hear that your son missed a week of PRESCHOOL I’m sure it was very hard for him to catch up such intense studies.

    She is 100% correct
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    She is 100% correct

    If your in the country for the summer you have to run back to the city while your girls still have off school

    So many clueless comments here
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    So many clueless comments here

    The issue is not about more school days. The school days are the same. The OT board decided to push everythonh earlier. The summer vacation is still the same length. The issue is about coordination so that a family has the boys and girls vacation symced instead of at different times.

    weell done OT
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    weell done OT

    it should work according to the hebrew caledar, which they’ve so smartly done

    Thanks for the good news!
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    Thanks for the good news!

    Thanks for the good news! A happier tone wouldn’t hurt anyone
    ps, nothing happened suddenly, it is still more than 6 months away.

    Priorities
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    Priorities

    In Israel we register for school for the coming year in Tevet not after Passover. In Israel the school year ends the last week of July and starts Rosh Chodesh Elul. The boys Kita alef Boys and up have a 3 week break for summer. The girls end at the end of July and start sept 1. Their learning schedule is never the same. As an American I can identify with the mother writing this article. The question here is what are your priorities? There isn’t a right and wrong but if you don’t like the schedule perhaps Chabad or… Read more »

    Maybe
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    Maybe

    Maybe if communication among all parties were a valued priority, this situation could have been prevented. Is the school a hierarchical institution where one person or a group is always making changes and decisions that obviously affect all involved (staff, students, parents)? If so, it doesn’t appear that the decision makers have some of the skills necessary to guide a school in a healthy manner! But I’d like to hear HOW it was discussed and what EXACTLY was determined.

    To 105
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    To 105

    It looks like you got completely confused, the Rebbe does not want camp for lubavitchers period. The reason why there is camp because the schools did not listen to the rebbe and made long vacation so that’s why there is camp CGI was made for non lubavitch kids for us lubavitchers there are alot of sichos where the Rebbe screams why there is summer vacation

    MRS PERL ARBOR
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    MRS PERL ARBOR

    YOUR GOING TO LOSE A WEEK??
    OMG WHAT A CATASTROPHE?

    GET A LIFE!

    YOUR KIDS HAVE A RIDICULOUS 10 WEEKS SUMMER HOLIDAY FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, COMPARED TO 6 WEEKS IN EUROPE.

    ALFRED E NEWMAN
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    ALFRED E NEWMAN

    MANY FAMILIES CANT AFFORD FOOD FOR SHABBOS OR CLOTHE THEIR KIDS AND ALL YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT ARE YOUR VACATIONS???????

    There are also
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    There are also

    Out of town schools that there kids go to our camps. Now the boys will be late to school if thy go to camp. There are day camps to. Why is there only one school ho decides?

    Don't understand
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    Don't understand

    Just because the author is angry about the policy why is everyone blasting that he/she should respect the school etc? Can one not be upset about a single
    policy instituted by the school but otherwise agree with its chinuch standards?
    And to those who are scoffing that it’s six months away, Oholei Torah still
    didn’t announce the dates. It was discovered by accident it seems

    FYI
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    FYI

    80% of the commentators against this article think that the school year is getting longer. It’s NOT GETTING LONGER.
    It’s just now at a different time from
    the GIRLS.

    Cheder Ohr Menachem * Queens Mesivta...the best
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    Cheder Ohr Menachem * Queens Mesivta...the best

    Yes..the school decided we should learn 11 months.
    Boruch Hashem, we as parents who wanted happy and Chassidish children; we agreed.
    Now we are reaping the benefits of Nachas from a extraordinary large group of happy Chassidish students

    We love Oholei Torah
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    We love Oholei Torah

    We just wanted the yeshiva to coordinate with the girls schools. That doesn’t mean the boys shouldn’t have extra school it just means the boys and girls summer schedules should coordinate

    Spoiled Parent
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    Spoiled Parent

    Less mature then the children themselves.
    Where does the Rebbe allow Moisdos Chinuch to be closed in the summer, let alone for so long.
    Thank you Oholei Torah for STARTING to go in the right direction.

    Hello all u ridiculous people!!
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    Hello all u ridiculous people!!

    Besides for the odd dates which I agree are annoying, HOW CAN ANY OF YOU THINK ITS OK FOR BOYS AND GIRLS TO BE ON DIFFERENT SCHEDULES!?!?

    111 said it all!
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    111 said it all!

    So sorry that the mother who wrote the original complaint article has such tsuris here. May this be the biggest trouble she ever has to deal with in life!

    Home schooling or the public school system would also be options, if the school calendar changing unexpectedly is such a hardship.

    Lady grow up
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    Lady grow up

    What is your problem? boys need to learn. 10 weeks vacation is really 13 as the kids cant concentrate a week before and it takes 2 weeks for them to get off the summer pustkeit. Lady, it is not all about vacation!!!! school is made to study and learn and with your stress on vacation i.e. fun and games your son will be a very chilled bochur. you should send him to a modern orthodox school. It is this type of parents who pull down the chassidishe atmosphere of a yeshivah. So leave the yeshivah to parents who want to… Read more »

    crazy
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    crazy

    this will realy make the younger kids come back to Yeshivah with a great attitude.

    NOT

    Its ok - just slight problem
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    Its ok - just slight problem

    What Oheli Torah did might be ok and proper thing to do – however it only messes up those families that go every year to the country and rent bungalows, that (being that they have girls also) they cant go to the country till girl schools are off and have to come back early when the boys start the new year. This creates a problem. Bungalows are rented for July and August (not for half of June and full July and half August ).

    Kudos
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    Kudos

    Kudos to OT for giving our kids a solid chinuch that the rebbe approves of, and for taking chassidishe values into account vs secular and comfort values.

    We had our resort already booked!!
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    We had our resort already booked!!

    Oholei Torah should have consulted with parents first. I appreciate they may have the right to change the calendar but the author of this article is right in saying that parents should get a proper head’s up. It is just common decency. My family planned our family vacation around these dates. We spent time finding the resort and booking it according to the dates we thought we had available. This is infuriating. I am strongly considering keeping my son out of the school for those ‘early’ 2 weeks so he can enjoy the horseback riding and lovely nature that his… Read more »

    to #75
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    to #75

    kuddos to you.
    The whole argument is nonsense.
    Yes the dates changed. But…look closely to what your boys do when they are NOT in school and hanging in the city?
    And for those that are keeping your kids home, I hope the repercussions will be.YOUR CHILD IS NOT ACCEPTED HERE and now we can make place for others who would like to come.

    Menachem Mendel
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    Menachem Mendel

    For various reasons Yeshivas, Chadarim and Talmud Torahs are closed during the summer for “vacation”. This is against the reality — Torah is our life — learning Torah is the life force of every child. Who has the right to make a distinction, that for nine and a half or ten months when school is open the child has to get life — but when school closes he must rest from studying Torah?! Torah is his life! This fact is uncivilized! Close school for two months or eight weeks or six weeks? For what reason? Actually the school should not… Read more »

    Dates make sense
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    Dates make sense

    if i recall correctly before Gimmel Tamuz 5754 became a date of significance that people still want to be in the city for, schools would end many times in mid June because the Hebrew calendar wasn’t being considered in the the schedule planning. and besides camps start to get cold at night in the end of august. so the kids and bungalow retreaters will enjoy themselves more anyway.
    people change is hard, but kids and parents will benefit from it.

    Most of u r holier than thou!
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    Most of u r holier than thou!

    All of you “finally more Yeshiva” are pathetically holier than thou and missing the point anyhow. This op ed is the first I hear of this and I am OT mom to 3 boys and have an elementary daughter as well.This has nothing to do with more school. Our boys and girls need to be in the same schedule so we can properly coordinate our summer plans!

    #131, and?
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    #131, and?

    I fail to see the connection to the discussion at hand?

    #125 hating on woman
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    #125 hating on woman

    You could have said that without the word “lady”

    Wolf
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    Wolf

    Every college and all public schools in the entire U.S. (except NY and NJ of course) end in early June and start in mid-August. It is a very logical system because every educator knows that 99% of learning stops after June 1st and the second half of August is a complete waste of time when all camps end. Smart move, Oholei Torah! G-d willing, other institutions will see the wisdom of this decision.

    Where exactly are you going to do your apple?
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    Where exactly are you going to do your apple?

    I think it’s great girls and boys have different schedules. That way they aren’t all mixing together in your vacation spot’s pool.
    Let the boys learn before Rosh Hashana. It’s more important than anything else. And to be effective, you, there parent, should tell them that you are so happy they will be spending Elul in yeshiva where they belong

    It's ok to be upset, but...
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    It's ok to be upset, but...

    Where I’m from, the girls and boys always started and ended school on different days, had different vacation days throughout the year and everyone is doing fine.

    Summer Camps And Winter Yeshives
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    Summer Camps And Winter Yeshives

    Most kids in today’s generation are not the very big “masmidim type” besides a little amount of exceptions, So You Have To Be Practical And Realistic, if you will give them a proper summer so they will give you a proper winter in yeshiva, and if you will not give them a proper summer so they will C”V look for a different type of life than yeshiva and Judaism… is it worth it?… some times people have to be smart…

    Totally agree with wolf!
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    Totally agree with wolf!

    In June the kids are not in learning mode…take a week off there and put in elul is brilliant!! And now gimmel Tammuz is right where it should be too!. And I love when my girls and boys have separate days off. They can each have their space and attention …..I guess lavish family vacations that are booked months in advance are not the poor man’s problems 😉
    It’s nice to see the yearning for more family time though!

    Hey 129
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    Hey 129

    Everyone should go to a resort? You remind me of that quote: “let them eat cake…”

    Litvish/Yeshivish have it right
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    Litvish/Yeshivish have it right

    They move their Yeshivos upstate for the summer, so learning continues, but in a more relaxed environment & with trips etc. The problem is, our kids are needed to be counselors in sleep away & day camps, even worldwide. I don’t know what the answer is, but this I know… yes, parents should have been informed a year ago so they could work out plans in plenty of time. BUT the response of many parents here is disgusting. Saying “my kid isn’t going to school for 2 weeks” is hurting nobody but your own children. Basically, why are you strashying… Read more »

    School Year
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    School Year

    1. Oholei Torah publishes a calendar. Are the dates marked on that calednar?

    2. The decision to shorten the summer break is a welcome one for most that (a) care about what Torah and the Rebbe say, and/or (b) are working parents.

    3. In many communities (Eretz Yisroel, France, Lakewood, etc.) summer break is between Tisha B’Av and Rosh Chodesh Elul. That is the way is should be! It’s a disgrace that it is not like that in Crown Heights.

    Learning of Tinokos Shel Bais Raban
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    Learning of Tinokos Shel Bais Raban

    The Rambam writes that we don’t stop the learning of elementary age children to build the bais hamikdosh. Kudos to OT and all schools that are open during the summer.

    All you complaining that they don't start the same time as your daughters
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    All you complaining that they don't start the same time as your daughters

    At least 85% of your daughters go to beis Rivka which anyways starts two weeks later every week because of all their stupid strikes! Get a life and stop looking for reasons to complain and make your child disrespect the system. Than you will wonder why your child leaves the very same OT that you showed this disrespect towards!

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