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שפיגל ירושלים
May 16, 2019 9:43 am

They should arrange debates with them so they can be assisted in learning Emes and why the Rebbe MHM will help every human being.

Just don't.
Reply to  שפיגל ירושלים
May 16, 2019 10:43 am

המתאבק עם מנוול מתנוול

jack
Reply to  שפיגל ירושלים
May 17, 2019 4:24 pm

thats their wish

My Jewdar always knows!
May 16, 2019 10:03 am

A yiddishe panim is always a yiddishe panim!

Soo
Reply to  My Jewdar always knows!
May 16, 2019 12:08 pm

Nu, so is it a Yiddishe panim?

Goy
Reply to  Soo
May 16, 2019 8:44 pm

Hes saying you can tell hes a goy.

Imposter
May 16, 2019 10:26 am

Well, this is a good one!Be careful and try to convert him to judiasm.

Don't convert
Reply to  Imposter
May 16, 2019 1:28 pm

We don’t try to convert anyone to Judaism. It has to be from his own initiative and commitment.

International information
May 16, 2019 10:30 am

This article should be published in all the cities and countries. We should translate it in all languages possible and post it in bakeries, supermarket etc…

LIPA
Reply to  International information
May 16, 2019 8:59 pm

When you say ‘we’ are you including yourself or you’ll just manage the project from your armchair and slippers !!!

Another One
May 16, 2019 10:43 am

Similarly, BEWARE of following, liking, and sharing Hananya Naftali’s social media posts even though they are fabulous pieces about Israel. Hananya Naftali believes in Yushka and missionizes to his fellow Jews when he has the chance. The xtian media carried his article about how he missionized to his fellow soliders when in the IDF and proudly covered him being hired by Netanya to run his social media.

Just me
Reply to  Another One
May 16, 2019 11:45 am

I knew he was Xi’an lover but didn’t know he was actually a “believer”. Hashem should send him and all others a yeshuah bkarov!

Yeshua bkorov
Reply to  Just me
May 16, 2019 7:02 pm

Pun intended?

Hananya Naftali, the sneaky x-ian missionary
Reply to  Another One
May 16, 2019 2:17 pm

Thank you for making me aware of Naftali. I always felt something was ‘off’ about that guy listening to him on his videos about Israel, and now i’ll know not to like or share them. How could Bibi hire someone like that for such a visible and critical role to get information out?! No wonder Israel is losing the social media war. I found this article on Google about how Hananya Naftali, who posts many nice videos about Israel on social media is also a missionary. Blogger and mother of 12, Varda Meyers Epstein, who made aliyah at age 18… Read more »

It's called Contextualization
May 16, 2019 10:49 am

I learned in an (lhvdl) Xian college in a pastoral program. When trust is the first thing to create when wanting to impart anything, and differences stand in the way, the art is to be Just like the people you’d like to communicate with. Walk, talk, dress, eat, etc., just like the target market, and then it’s the easiest sell. It’s called contextualization.

Lmashumadim al tihi tikvah
May 16, 2019 10:51 am

Disgusting

BH
May 16, 2019 10:57 am

Not going to lie,this is scary.

well done!!
May 16, 2019 11:08 am

rabbi Levi notik has what it takes. proud to be part of your community.

Insanity
May 16, 2019 11:12 am

Obvious insanity; if one is Jewish, they should be taught as much as possible, in order of the campaigns, and told without room for question, that discussing such non-Jewish perspective is absolutely out of the question, for Jews in any location! Rather, they should be encouraged to look after a fellow Jew (if they are one), encouraging use of Tefillin, candle lighting, Torah study, and attending Shuls. It’s inappropriate for such matters to ever, ever, be spoken to a Jew, anywhere. It’s divine providence that they can be influenced by Lubavitchers, with clear boundaries, as the Rabbanim acted, and it… Read more »

flatbush
May 16, 2019 12:03 pm

They were living in Flatbush for a while and were discovered as well, kicked out and moved further,

HaShem yirachem
May 16, 2019 12:03 pm

Oy vey

Islam lover in our community spreading muslim love
May 16, 2019 12:25 pm

Isn’t there a lady in our community doing something similar by trying to get us to be Muslim friendly and teaching the Quran ? She reaches out to all groups and invite them all to Islam interfaith get together! No one is doing anything about it.

Muslims are Noahides.

Jews should not be learning Islam but Islam is not AZ and Jews are permitted to pray (Jewish prayers) in a mosque. This is the ruling of Rav Ovadia Yosef and many others including the Rambam who I realize is not Chabad.

Jews pray at the Cave of Machpelah which is a mosque. BTW

Hashem yishmor
Reply to  Muslims are Noahides.
May 19, 2019 6:55 am

How can you say Maaras Hamachpela is a mosque? Have you ever been there? The place the yidden daven at is a full blown shul. Hevron has had a Jewish community since what they call the old yeshuv. While one section has been turned into a mosque, this is the burial place of the avos. There are opinions that disagree with your view of Islam, and do say it is infact avoda zara, but as for maaras hamachpela, Jews have been davening there since at least Calev (see Rashi prasha shalch lecha, beginning of the second aliyah)

debatable
Reply to  Muslims are Noahides.
May 21, 2019 12:21 pm

The rogatchover held that it is avodah zara and the rambam only wrote that not to antagonize the Muslims he lived with.

Daniel Prinsloo
Reply to  Islam lover in our community spreading muslim love
October 2, 2019 2:41 am

People know she is Muslim, though. She is open about it. These people are hiding the fact that they aren’t Jews, so that they can trap Hasidim

He looks familiar
May 16, 2019 12:27 pm

Perhaps he learnt in Morristown?

Yemach Shemom
May 16, 2019 12:55 pm

They should be arrested for this!!!

Not quite...
Reply to  Yemach Shemom
May 16, 2019 7:38 pm

This is America – they have the right to live wherever they want, it’s not a crime – but they certainly are fools and wrong.

Fraud
Reply to  Not quite...
September 16, 2020 10:43 pm

It is illegal to knowingly tell lies to people in order to gain any material benefit. He was working in a kosher supermarket, hopefully not as a mashgiach. She was gaining the confidence of parents to babysit for them for money. All that time, they knew that if they told the truth, they would not be hired for those positions. (Yes, you are allowed to restrict religious functions like mashgiach and domestic roles in your home like supervising your children by religion.) Fraud is illegal. Presenting yourself as something you are not to fool people is illegal. Hell, just saying… Read more »

Take it easy!
Reply to  Yemach Shemom
May 19, 2019 6:29 am

For what? What crime have they committed? You feel that insecure with your beliefs that you need to have someone who isn’t arrested. Those people just have a different vision of the world, what they do is a little sneaky but not a bases to have them arrested.

yes it is
Reply to  Take it easy!
May 24, 2019 4:30 pm

they are teaching the kids Christianity without telling the parents if i am a parent i have a right to know what my kid is learning

Dangerous
May 16, 2019 1:01 pm

Many times these people prey ( pun intended) on vulnerable people. Families going through hard times etc. Read an article about people doing this in Israel.
Don’t engage. Kick them out like a cancer.

Glad we could be of assistance
May 16, 2019 1:22 pm

Rabbi Notik was in touch with Jews for Judaism concerning this incident and I am glad we were able to be of assistance. Unfortunately, I receive calls from Shluchim about missionary activity in Chabad Houses at least once a month. For resources to help with this issue please visit JewsforJudiasm.org
Rabbi Bentzion Kravitz
Founder – Jews for Judaism

Glad they were found out
May 16, 2019 1:40 pm

That happened in my community about 20 years ago but instead they were posing as BTs. Their kids were enrolled at our local school and they learned weekly with the Rabbi of the shul.

After a couple years the family came clean to Rabbi and thanked him for teaching the Hebrew/Torah so now it will be much easier to proselytize when they move on their mission.

The community was shell shocked when we found out the truth about the family.

NO engagement
May 16, 2019 1:47 pm

With such individuals you should NOT engage in any manner! Even if they are in fact Jewish they are dangerous and would do anything to convert Jews to their religion. They should be kicked out of any shul or community they attach themselves to. They are the after Jewish souls and nothing else. THey are a danger to the Jewish community.

NO engagement
May 16, 2019 1:48 pm

Do not engage with these individuals. That is what they want and crave. Even if they are Jewish by birth they are a danger to the Jewish nation and no debate or convincing will change their mind. They are out to save the Jewish souls. Best to kick them flying!!

Sadly they are only one of many
Reply to  NO engagement
May 16, 2019 2:46 pm

There are missionaries like this in every Jewish community

Abbott & Costello
May 16, 2019 2:08 pm

The Gemarah says that the NEKEYAI YERUSHALAYIM would be careful with whom they sat together in a meal – how much more-so to stay away from these miscreants

Abbott & Costello
May 16, 2019 2:08 pm

Except this one is not funny at all –

Fooling
May 16, 2019 2:52 pm

They might not fool us but they can fool non observant jews who wish to learn more about judaism

Unfortunately
Reply to  Fooling
May 16, 2019 10:17 pm

Unfortunately, this is true. I personally know of someone who was becoming a baal teshuva at that time and he would attend a “rabbi’s” lecture quite often, where this “rabbi” would speak about yoshka in positive terms and encouraged his listeners to read more about him. B”h he would also go to a chabad house every now and then where the people upon hearing this encouraged him to stop attending this “rabbi’s shiurim” and explained that this person is not preaching jewish ideals.

Religion scams
May 16, 2019 5:33 pm

Scammmers who use religion as a front are punishable by law and should be arrested and prosecuted so they don’t dare to try again

Really?
Reply to  Religion scams
May 16, 2019 7:15 pm

What law are you referring to?

Please go study before saying nonsense
Reply to  Religion scams
May 19, 2019 6:37 am

This is not a law and they are not scamming.

I dont get it
May 16, 2019 7:17 pm

Think People.. why Is there a 19 brocha in shemona Esrie, Nothing new, evry one can calm down and stay focused on more important stuff.

Someone should follow them
May 16, 2019 8:31 pm

Someone should follow them to keep track of their whereabouts, to make sure they don’t go to another community.

great idea, but
Reply to  Someone should follow them
May 16, 2019 10:18 pm

Great idea!! Are you offering to pay him by the hour while he’s following them? How about you offer to follow them yourself!!

It's not only Christian missionaries duping us...
May 16, 2019 8:57 pm

As happy as I am that this couple of Christian missionaries were identified…the conspiracy theorist in me wonders how many Jewish leftists posing as Orthodox have infiltrated our communities as well.

That's different.

While I personally think that Orthodox Jews have no business being politically leftist, a political argument among two Jews is very different from an argument over Yashke between a Jew and a Christian missionary — especially a Christian missionary posing as a Jew. The latter is dangerous. The former is potentially troublesome and exasperating, but not a matter of actual danger to a Yiddishe neshamah.

I have no words but
May 16, 2019 11:01 pm

I am saddened to see this

Take it easy
Reply to  I have no words but
May 19, 2019 6:40 am

Just relax and take it easy, no one has been hurt.

Important information
May 16, 2019 11:36 pm
Confused
Reply to  Important information
May 18, 2019 9:58 pm

Is this a real jewish org or a missionary org?

Same problem here in Jerusalem
May 17, 2019 12:55 am

Our little chabad shul in Jerusalem was recently infiltrated by xtian missionaries posing as frum Jews. Their (fake) names are Eliezer Bograd, Noe Bograd, Shayna Michelle Detwiler, and Jordan Levy. Beware.

What damage did they do already to the kids
Reply to  Same problem here in Jerusalem
May 17, 2019 5:03 am

We are all getting stuck on this. But MUST go reach out to our kids and check what damage was done to them from this type of pp. They work fast and try to brainwash the kids through Hypnosis against Yedishkit and against there parents!!! they do this and young kids from babies and up!! This is being done daily to many of the Jewish kids all over the world!! They abuse them in many ways – a goy is a goy and he has pleasure from abusing our kids in any way possible. Search online you will see many… Read more »

Just wait
May 17, 2019 4:37 am

They’ll end up in Israel before you know it. I suppose they registered their kids in Gan? He got an Aliyah? People have eaten their food? Dangerous people. Do communities have to do background checks on any new family? It reminds me of when my first child was getting married. I took the Kesubah to the Rav (in Crown Heights) who wasn’t interested! How could he take the achriyus of of knowing we are Halachic Jews? We weren’t born here, no family in US, so it was our word. I was shocked! When WE got married in the UK we… Read more »

They’re in Montreal now!!
May 17, 2019 2:28 pm

With in a day of being exposed they moved, and are now living in Montreal!! Beware!

Not true
Reply to  They’re in Montreal now!!
May 17, 2019 4:47 pm

The Montreal rabonim checked into it and said it’s not true they are still in Chicago

The pictures are of a different couple
Reply to  They’re in Montreal now!!
May 17, 2019 6:26 pm

According to an email a friend sent me, the pictures on top of this article do not match the missionaries but are pictures of a different couple altogether, a frum family in Montreal.

–Toby Katz,
Miami

Accurate photo! I met them.
Reply to  The pictures are of a different couple
May 19, 2019 4:11 pm

Toby- tell your friends to beware! This is the couple, I have met them. The names match the picture, anything else is likely a lie. They can not be trusted.

I have an idea
Reply to  They’re in Montreal now!!
May 17, 2019 6:51 pm

Whenever they move there should be an article on col about them and then they’ll keep on moving.

Do you know where the photos of Rivka was taken?!!
May 18, 2019 5:39 pm

The photos of Rivka with a nap-sack was taken in a non Jewish place
They plant seeds in each community they come to. They plan kefira in the kids they had a kesher with babysitting and in shuel
Each Parent MUST speak to there kids and hear what they spoke to them about

Brady McElligott
May 27, 2019 11:35 am

Shame. Monsters like this go deliberately to a place where they can deceive others, and then–when they are exposed as the liars they are–suddenly play the “religious persecution” card.

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