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    First They Came for the Chickens…

    Sruli Schochet responds to 4 popular claims why frum Jews should not be using chickens to do kaparos for Yom Kippur. Full Story

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    Well said
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    Well said

    Well said. Thank you. Especially your conclusion.

    Thank you for the Torah laws and instructions,
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    Thank you for the Torah laws and instructions,

    Schoyach, very well said. K’siva V’Chasima Tova L’Shana Tova U’mesuka!

    claim #5
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    claim #5

    what gives you the right to kill a living creature at all, and especially since you’re not gong to eat it?
    Yes, this question could be about the chicken you buy and eat from your grocery too. The fact that you’re “allowed” to doesn’t mean you should. Control your religious and physical desires and spare the life of another living thing.

    Yasher Koach
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    Yasher Koach

    Well explaind,
    Please translate into Hebrew for those that do not understand otherwise and post to col.org.il
    Thanks
    Kesiva vaChasimo Tiovo

    Jacob Immanuel lives on.
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    Jacob Immanuel lives on.

    Indeed.

    Meir
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    Meir

    BS”D Excellent article can’t wait for the critics to pop up

    Brilliant
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    Brilliant

    Well said. Thanks

    The origin of this custom
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    The origin of this custom

    Is in עבודה זרה . It is not mentioned in the Torah and not in the Gmara. The Shulchan Aruch prohibits it and calls it a nonsensical minhag.

    Ch chasid
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    Ch chasid

    I heard in crown hieghts a Kaporos was shut down this year because someone is afraid of peta . Ha ha. He must not be afraid of Hakadosh Barouch hu

    Awesome
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    Awesome

    Thank you so much for such informative article. One more point you left out in the general vegan discussion is how Hashem commanded/allowed Noach to slaughter and eat animals after the mabul. Until then they only ate vegetables, etc…But now it’s part of o our Torah. Karbanos, meat and fish on Shabbos and Yom tov are mitzvos and we aren’t being cruel by slaughtering them (in the Jewish way which is most humane way to kill them) Like you mentioned, it becomes a problem when we start equating people with animals Basic Torah/ chassidus 4/5 levels of creation. Man is… Read more »

    To #3
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    To #3

    “Control your religious and physical desires and spare the life of another living thing.” – what gives life any validity or value is the fact that it is G-dly life, that is from G-d. The same G-d that tells us what desires are appropriate and which aren’t.

    It's really a matter of faith
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    It's really a matter of faith

    Nice and long explanation for a ritual that is completely illogical and based on a belief

    Thank you!
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    Thank you!

    Thank you for taking the tine to explain this so well!

    Great article!
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    Great article!

    I have to admit that for the past few years I’ve done it with money simply because I couldn’t find what I considered a humane enough place for kapporos, but your article was so well thought out and with such strong sources that even if it may bother me in the short term, it really is a holy tradition that must be preserved. I think, however, that those who do go to kapporos and encounter peta activists or even ch”v Jewish activists and opponents to kapporos need to avoid falling into their argumentative trap. They only want to agitate you… Read more »

    Chicken man
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    Chicken man

    Having raised and hatched chickens for many years now. I can say putting chickens in crates for hours on end without water is tzar bal a chaim. Chickens will and do die as a result.

    Such a nice article
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    Such a nice article

    Thank you for taking the time to write this and include your sources. It is very well written and expresses a very positive and thorough message. It’s definitely inspiring me to have a different attitude this year towards kaparos. I just hope that the police will help us to be strong and not let any of the PETA people shove us and push us this year. Better yet we should celebrate all the holidays in Jerusalem.

    Very good article but..
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    Very good article but..

    Very good article but the way the chickens are stored in the crates and left on trucks doesn’t look too comfortable for the chickens. Is there a more humane way to transport them?

    To num 3
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    To num 3

    Whichever chickens from kaparos get kashered will get eaten. G-d created chickens (n all kosher animals) to be eaten to be elevated

    to # 18
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    to # 18

    Humans being bred the chickens in awful conditions for human consumption without giving a darn for tzaar baalei chaim, which according to many, many poskim is min haTorah. Let’s be careful how much we mix G-d in to the modern production of chickens.

    Big Z Schapiro
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    Big Z Schapiro

    Beautiful job well done thank you very much for sharing with us

    To # 18
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    To # 18

    That’s eaten by a Yid with appropriate blessings brings its elevation. This is the kosher animal’s best ultimate purpose!

    here we go again...
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    here we go again...

    The Rebbe did it, we do it! We’re chassidim of our Rebbe, we follow what our Rebbe did…

    To #12
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    To #12

    …..as is the case with all of the Mitzvos. And may I point out that seemingly the correct term is not “illogical” but rather “transcends logic”. I.e. it is Divine “logic” which doesn’t necessarily make sense to us unless G-d decides that it should.

    Ksiva vachasima tova lshana tova umesuka!

    show a picture
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    show a picture

    Look at a picture of how the Rebbe held up the chicken!
    Definitely, in a most human way with both legs together.

    Excellent point
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    Excellent point

    This gets down to the truth of the matter – that it’s not about chickens and never was.

    Chicken man
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    Chicken man

    Chickens should be removed from the crates as soon as they arrive at the destination. They should be placed in a large fenced area with shade, waters and feed.

    Larry
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    Larry

    The Rebbe did it I do it. When your not a chosid you see it the way it fits for you nothing wrong with that

    One thing missing in this article
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    One thing missing in this article

    This article does not address how treating chickens inhumanely (stuffing them into crates for days with nourishment, holding them by their wings etc.) is not a violation of the prohibition against צער בעלי חיים. The essential argument of the article is that chickens are treated inhumanely everywhere, so we’re not unique in that regard. The stark reality is that if you perform kaporos while simultaneously inflicting pain on the chicken, it is considered a מצוה הבעה בעוירה. I suggest you take a look at how the rebbe held the chicken (it wasn’t by the wings). Now, I’m not against kaporos—not… Read more »

    DON'T FORGET
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    DON'T FORGET

    NAZIS WERE SO BIG ANIMAL WELFARE SUPPORTERS. THIS IS THE SOCIALIST GARBAGE THEYRE BRINGING UP TO US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_welfare_in_Nazi_Germany

    Claim #4
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    Claim #4

    That claim is spurious and should not feature

    Interesting
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    Interesting

    I never knew that this was originally an Ashkenazic minhag. Here in Israel, we see it very accepted by Sephardim.

    Anon
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    Anon

    I’m not chabad and I emphatically agree with this article!

    For all those complaining about how chickens are "treated" by kapparos
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    For all those complaining about how chickens are "treated" by kapparos

    They’re always treated like that… just you only get to see it then

    Thank you Sruli schochet!!
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    Thank you Sruli schochet!!

    Very well written!
    As someone who did kaporos his whole life, you gave me a whole new appreciation for it.

    Convenient Judaism
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    Convenient Judaism

    The Rebbe taught us not to cut corners in Yiddishkiet . another basic issue is the convenience of doing kaporat with money . why bother getting up in middle of the night . get smelly . wait on line . etc when u can do it in the comfort of your home with a few dollars . all ideological arguments aside this is what u risk and its the next generation that will grow up with this type of yiddishkiet. Once a source or argument is found against a practice its used as an excuse for an easier way to… Read more »

    Yossel
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    Yossel

    Keep in mind that many of these PETA “activists” are rabid Israel-haters, and sympathize with the Arabs…

    Wow
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    Wow

    no more for me

    # 33
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    # 33

    Not politically correct but you are totally wrong
    No governmental department in any democratic country would allow chickens in their facility to be treated other than human
    We are taking one hopes of USA and UK Australia New Zealand and Canada the only true democratic free countries remaining
    All by the way Commonwealth countries
    Have to tell you that In certain European countries inspectors Were a pleasure to work with they too would not tolerate cruelty of any kind.

    # 31.
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    # 31.

    Rishon LeTzion gave a beautiful dorosho on that point this week
    Taking into account that Moron paskens in SA like the Rashba
    Well worth reviewing it

    Chasiva V'Chasima Tova
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    Chasiva V'Chasima Tova

    Wonderfully explained! Thank you.

    Re number 3, and re Sefardim
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    Re number 3, and re Sefardim

    In parshas Re’eh it states vechi saaveh le’echol bassar, When you will DESIRE to eat meat, . . . vezavachta kaasher tzivisicha then you should shecht it as you were commanded. So stop this bunk about not eating meat even though you are allowed to. זבחי אדם עגלים ישקון Zovchai adam agalim yishakun, says the navi Hosheia chap 13 vs 2, Those who kiss calves kill people. Not just PETA, the Nazis too, as was pointed out above. And this diseased thinking is as old as Biblical times. RE SEFARDIM AND KAPAROS: Historical fact, Sefardim were already doing it before… Read more »

    Not really
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    Not really

    I am not sure what are the “raving” about this article is all about… the Author did NOT answer any of the claims… Claim #1- instead of addressing why so many sages opposed this minhag, the author’s answer that the Rashba writes that some Ashkenz communities were practicing it… not addressing whatsoever the objections the Rashba had against this custom. The Rashba and the sages knew about the Ashkenaz custom and but still opposed it…… Claim # 2 Insted of addressing the Shulchan Aruch’s clear objection of this custom because the source is Darchi Haemori….he attacks the Rabbais who fallow… Read more »

    I think #42 didn't read the article
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    I think #42 didn't read the article

    Every question you ask is clearly and beautifully addressed in the article. It’s almost like you read one line, made a conclusion and decided to attack.

    It’s people like this, that think they ‘care’ more about animals and mitzvos like tzar balei chayim, than the Geonim and Rishonim, thinking that they can argue with them like they are on par with them, is what leads to people shaving their beards (‘I don’t agree with the Tzemach Tzedek’) or even taking off their yarmulkas when they work.

    Vehamayvin yovin.

    Kesiva v’chasima tovah.

    tzar baalei chayim
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    tzar baalei chayim

    we raise chickens and know quite a bit about them let me tell you that stuffing chickens into overpacked, hot crates without water, it extremely stressful and often deadly for the chickens. i commend the people in your community for making sure the chickens don’t end up in the garbage. but that does not negate the fact that in many other places, tons of chickens end up in the trash, there is not enough time or resources to get them all processed in time before yom kippur. what makes the minhag of kappores, more important than the halachot of tzaar… Read more »

    Chabad of S Monica
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    Chabad of S Monica

    I have been going to them for fifteen years now for kaporos. They kasher all the chickens. The last three years (I think?) they have been in a location that is in essence a chicken slaughter house. The chickens are indoors and taken care of like any other such places. To #44, I think the author’s point is that ever kosher chicken slaughter house houses the chickens in the same way you see at kaporos. So either one swears off chicken altogether in a form of protest, but if you eat kosher chicken, then obviously to be consistent you should… Read more »

    i think 43 didn't read #42....
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    i think 43 didn't read #42....

    If you read again the response, you will see how all the points in the article are at the best “vague and off point”…
    The comments “care about Tzar balei Chaim”…and “shaving beards” …has nothing to do with the points made…
    In fact, the person who argues with the Reshonim and Geonim is the author who didn’t address the the strong objections the Geonim had for this minhag

    I think #46 didn't read the Geonim
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    I think #46 didn't read the Geonim

    Please cite a SINGLE source in the Geonim against kaporos? The earliest source of kaporos are the Geonim. The only Rabbis against is were Sephardic rabbis from later on (mostly achronim) which can be for many reasons (they didn’t have access to that Geonic literature/ they didn’t have that mesorah etc.) However, even a Rishon can’t argue on the Geonim. Furthermore, almost all if not all Sephardim today do kaporos since they have access to all the Geonic (and kabbalistic) works. Again, had #42 (aka #46) really read the article, all this would be clear. As to the comment in… Read more »

    Think before you write
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    Think before you write

    It is mere days before the holiest day of the year. The day when we will get judged by Hashem for all of our actions. Did some people here even stop for a second to think about what they are saying. They are attacking a fellow jew. Hashem cannot forgive us for things like this until we get forgiveness from the people we hurt. I hope that this message makes some people think about how much they may have hurt the author.

    Kesiva v’chasima tovah.

    re 12
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    re 12

    just goes to show that opposition to kapporos is rooted in kefira. Yes they will go after bris mila and shechita just like in many european countries and these compromisers will find a way to do those things with money instead

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