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Doctors Discuss Vaccine Safety

Watch: In a virtual Q&A event, Crown Heights Dr. Eli Rosen and Dr. Naor Bar Zeev of Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health addressed the many questions from the community related to the vaccine against COVID-19. Video

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NOT Credible
January 15, 2021 2:23 am

Someone I know got the vaccine and was so sick for a week and is still not back to themselves. This person had Covid already, months ago, and recovered. Dr Rosen, why in the world are you recommending this to your patients who already recovered from the vaccine? Especially if you are ok with those who had Covid to pretty much lead their lives as normal? This vaccine was FDA EMERGENCY approved. It did not go through the same approval system that all vaccines go through (Forget about the fact that none of them are properly tested, thats something for… Read more »

How many people DIED from Covid?
Reply to  NOT Credible
January 15, 2021 10:48 am

Look through the archives on this site to see how many lives could have been saved by the vaccine. Almost 400,000 have died in this country from Covid-19. This vaccine will save millions of lives.

I know!
Reply to  How many people DIED from Covid?
January 15, 2021 12:26 pm

Except they could have been saved without the vaccine ! Just like all the big top people and politicians the majority of which “miraculously”(I think not) survived!

shaking my head
Reply to  NOT Credible
January 15, 2021 11:31 am

Ah yes, let me take my medical advice from a random anonymous person on the internet and their anecdote of how they “know someone” who didn’t react well to the vaccine. I’m sorry you know someone who was sick. I happen to have been very sick with Covid for over a week (as was my 15 month old). but BARUCH HASHEM we are recovered and healthy because we are young and heathly BH. Many people were not so fortunate to recover as we were. As soon as I can vaccinate, I will, because as an frum woman I believe I… Read more »

If had covid why vaccinate?
Reply to  shaking my head
January 15, 2021 1:24 pm

If someone already had covid why should they vaccinate ?

Reply to  If had covid why vaccinate?
January 15, 2021 1:48 pm

Antibodies fade. I know people who had covid, had antibodies, and now lost them.

Reply to  Sam
January 15, 2021 2:48 pm

Then u expect the vaccine not to? Most ppl getting covid’ now are not those who had it before.

Reply to  shaking my head
February 15, 2021 8:53 pm

The Pfizer vaccine is NOT FDA approved. The FDA has only allowed it’s EMERGENCY use. Here are some excerpts from the FDA website “Frequently Asked Questions” regarding the Pfizer vaccine: Q: How long will the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine provide protection? A: Data are not yet available to inform about the duration of protection that the vaccine will provide. Q: Is the the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine effective at reducing the severity of COVID-19? A: To date, only a small number of severe cases have occurred during the study, which makes it difficult to evaluate whether the vaccine reduces the severity of… Read more »

That's actually false
Reply to  NOT Credible
January 17, 2021 5:06 pm

He explicitly instructed my grandmother to continue following covid19 guidelines despite her positive test for antibodies. The fact of the matter is we don’t know how much antibodies co-relate to protection, and if they do, for how long. If COVID19 is anything like other coronaviruses, protection doesn’t last long, and boosters will be necessary. The Gedaliah society and Dr. Rosen have explicitly instructed our community to avoid large and crowded events and to continue using masks. The fact that Crown Heights residents have all but ignored their recommendation does not change the fact that this virus still poses a significant… Read more »

Reply to  That's actually false
January 18, 2021 11:05 am

If antibodies are not effective then how is a vaccine effective?

Thank you!
January 15, 2021 7:28 am

To all those who are fixated on every single video by some unknown goyishe doctor; or video by someone driving in a car who claims she ‘knows’ the truth…I have just one question – why do these people who you don’t know at all have your trust more than your own doctor? Why in the world would you trust someone who you never ever heard of – even if he or she gives you a whole list of their “credentials” – why are you trusting them over frum doctors who you know and who have been treating you and your… Read more »

No doctor can predict the future
Reply to  Thank you!
January 16, 2021 1:07 pm

With all due respect to Dr. Rosen – and he is a wonderful community doctor – he cannot 100% promise that there will be no future side-effects from this “vaccine”. By the CDC’s definition – this is not actually a vaccine. This M-RNA shot is a new procedure and has not had the full testing as other vaccines have. We are guinea pigs for this type of vaccine. If you want to be – go ahead, I’m happy for you that it exists. Please don’t force your opinions on those that don’t want to take the chance. The insert from… Read more »

Of course
Reply to  No doctor can predict the future
January 17, 2021 8:03 am

Of course no doctor can predict hat there won’t be some super-rare 1-in 1-million really bad side effect.

However, you don’t need to predict the future to know that way more than 1 in a million will have a really bad reaction to the virus itself.

As of today, over 1,200 in a million Americans have died from the virus (not Americans who had the virus, 1,200 of ALL Americans), and a way way higher number who have long-lasting (if not permanent) side effects from the vaccines.

I think I’ll take my chance on the 1-in-a-million, thank you.

I trust frum doctors...
Reply to  Thank you!
January 16, 2021 3:26 pm

I trust Doctor ZEV Zelenko… He found a very cheap cure for the virus – HCQ with Zinc. He is a frum doctor with yirat shemayim and medical credentials. Regardless, the virus has a 99% recovery rate anyway.

No need to take an experimental vaccine with too many unknowns

Reply to  I trust frum doctors...
January 17, 2021 5:11 pm

A “cure” that’s been disproven over and over and over again, but which he continues to push despite the mountain of evidence against it.

It does not work for patients with serious disease, it does not work for patients will mild disease, and neither does it work as prophylaxis either.

I actually gave him the benefit of the doubt when he first came out with his protocol, despite the fact that there was little data to support it. But at this point, it’s abundantly clear that it doesn’t work and he needs to move on.

Brilliant doctor
January 15, 2021 9:22 am

Bh. I hope people will listen to these reputable doctors instead of the “country bumpkin” doctors. They speak the truth and are truly knowledgeable.

January 15, 2021 9:30 am

They lost me when Dr Bar-zeev was talking about infertility… His logic doesn’t make sense.

Can you explain
Reply to  interesting
January 15, 2021 10:46 am

Not sure what part of the explanation you are referring to. what was wrong with his logic. If the infection does not cause issues of placental why would the vaccine.

Bec this vaccine is different
Reply to  Can you explain
January 16, 2021 1:08 pm

Unlike most vaccines that inject some of the sickness, this one causes the body to react to a foreign protein.

Pinchos Woolstone
January 15, 2021 10:01 am

I would prefer to wait a couple of months and gauge the outcomes of the initial vaccination drives.
Further, companies like Johnson &Johnson and Zeneca are promising a single shot injection distinct from the Pfizer and Moderna 2 stage process.
Obviously people should follow the directives of their personal physician.

interesting point of view
Reply to  Pinchos Woolstone
January 15, 2021 11:33 am

So you want to wait and let other people be tested further and then maybe you will decide to also be vaccinated to protect others? this is a somewhat selfish point of view. I am not sure it would be supported by rabbonim. Maybe worth a shailah.

Pinchos Woolstone
Reply to  interesting point of view
January 15, 2021 2:32 pm

The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines have recently been made available to select groups many of those people who have received the shot have not yet received the second inoculation.
Therefore the effect of the process cannot yet be comprehensively assessed.
Further as I mentioned the idea of a single shot from companies like J&J and Zeneca is more practical.
I have spoken to both Medical Specialists in the infectious disease field and Dayan who is also an MD.

Reply to  interesting point of view
January 18, 2021 11:07 am

Lol it’s not available to most of the population anyways

11 million vaccinated
Reply to  Pinchos Woolstone
January 15, 2021 12:02 pm

Remember that 11 million ppl in the US have already received the vaccine with no worrisome side effects and millions more in other countries.

Reply to  11 million vaccinated
January 15, 2021 2:46 pm

Can you bring a link to the side effects records in the CDC or FDA?

Way too soon to know
Reply to  11 million vaccinated
January 16, 2021 1:09 pm

Other vaccines are tested/trials for 10/15 years.

Required listening
January 15, 2021 10:45 am

The clarity and the amount of valuable information regarding the entire Covid magaifa is Extremely useful and helpful.
Thank you Dr. Rosen Dr. Bar-zeev The Gedalia society And
Dr. Shlomo Minkowitz for putting together this program and virtual question and answer.

Not politically correct, but...
January 15, 2021 11:12 am

Not politically correct to say – but sometimes the doctors have not delved deeply into the “small” details concerning the vaccine. Sometimes layman conspiracy theorists are more on the ball because they have looked deeper. There is
NO LIABILITY for the vaccine makers. Wake up, people – this is NOT your
time tested oldtime vaccine…

Reply to  Not politically correct, but...
January 15, 2021 1:51 pm

actually the vaccine makers have all the liability if they did something unethical or illegal….this is a rather non-sensical post. I don’t think anyone can say that someone spinning conspiracy out of thin air holds more weight than a frum doctor who has been working for decades (and with the Rebbe).

Reply to  huh?
January 15, 2021 2:50 pm

They are not liable. Do your research

Reply to  huh?
January 17, 2021 6:45 pm

it sounds like you are very uninformed. I often hear people label things “conspiracy” when in fact they simply haven’t done even basic research. It also appears that you haven’t researched the Rebbe’s stance. Vaccine companies are not liable for any side effects that the vaccine can cause. The Rebbe said when asked, to take the vaccine if the company is liable.

January 15, 2021 11:47 am

The question is not whether or not to take the vaccine (whose safety is still unknown…. certainly over a long period of time), or nothing…. the question is whether the vaccine is “better” than other available medications, whose safety has been documented over the last 70 yrs (HCQ), or Ivermectin (last 40 yrs.)…. Though you touched on this during the last 10 minutes , you mentioned that it is better to do something preventative rather than therapeutic (which is true), but both of the above drugs can be taken for prophylaxis… in addition, you also hinted at the fact that… Read more »

Thank you.
Reply to  Risk/Benefit
January 15, 2021 1:04 pm

YESSS! This is such real questions! Could we please get a response here from Dr Rosen?

Ivermectin is extremely effective
Reply to  Risk/Benefit
January 16, 2021 6:48 pm

My friend recovered very quickly with Ivermectin, B”H. However, it’s not safe for expectant mothers. Inhaled steroids such as pulmicort are. There are still at risk segments of the population even with extremely effective medications out there.

Reply to  Ivermectin is extremely effective
January 18, 2021 12:07 pm

No studies on the vaccine have been done on pregnant women either

How many times do we have to repeat
Reply to  Risk/Benefit
January 17, 2021 5:17 pm

HCQ does not work. HCQ does not work. HCQ does not work. There has been a ton of research put into this subject at this point. It does not work. It does not work for patients with serious disease. It does not work for patients with moderate or mild disease. And it does not work as a prophylaxis either. I am sorry, but it is time to move on.

Reply to  How many times do we have to repeat
January 17, 2021 11:12 pm

Really? how about the many ppl I personally that it worked for. Hmm. Sounds like fake news to me

Reply to  How many times do we have to repeat
January 18, 2021 12:10 pm

Studies without zinc showed it doesn’t work and the study with zinc showed it does.

Zinc is the main ingredient
Reply to  Also
January 18, 2021 4:26 pm

It is well known to anyone who is familiar with the Zelenko protocol – that zinc is the main ingredient here and HCQ is just the means to deliver the zinc to the cell. Its the Zinc that kills the virus. False and fraudulent “studies” were done to “prove” (I.e mislead) the public into thinking that HCQ does not work and these studies had HCQ administered to patients without the Zinc! The Lancet published a “study” and then was forced to withdraw it because it was so blatantly fraudulent. This is on the public record. Another thing that is on… Read more »

Follow the Rebbes guidance for medical decisions
January 15, 2021 12:12 pm

The Rebbe clearly instructed us to base our medical decisions on Rofe Yedid and Rofe mumche (specialist in that field). In any medical related procedure we need siyatah dishmaya that it will be for a refuah and not the opposite. By following the Rebbes guidance for medical decisions we will also have the Rebbes brochos for good outcomes. Dr. Rosen is certainly a Rofe Yedid and is combining guidance from Rofe Mumche, thank you for all your efforts!

Reply to  Follow the Rebbes guidance for medical decisions
January 15, 2021 2:28 pm

The Rebbe clearly said the Rofe needs to investigate the individual and not rely on general principles and investigate the issue they have, smile and only then prescribe.
Yedid means friend, your friend only remains a friend when you interact on a personal level.
You sometimes need a second or third opinion.

Is it safe?
January 15, 2021 12:23 pm

Twenty-three people died in Norway within days of receiving their first dose of the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine, with 13 of those deaths — all nursing home patients — apparently related to the side effects of the shots, health officials said.

Reply to  Is it safe?
January 15, 2021 1:52 pm

More than 2,000,000 people have vaccinated in Eretz Yisroel at this point. BH the results have been very very good.

Reply to  Is it safe?
January 15, 2021 2:30 pm

So many people took the experimental injection and a hand full died from it.
It is not ok to normalize this in our minds.

Reply to  Is it safe?
January 15, 2021 2:58 pm

At least they reported it. Over here they’ll just say there is no proven connection from having just taken the vaccine. That they died from old age or unknown causes. Same will go if the vaccine causes infertility in kids years later. One can only see that which one is willing to see and looks for.

Yes, and
Reply to  Is it safe?
January 17, 2021 5:22 pm

The are 400 deaths in this patient population that happen weekly regardless of vaccine. We know that they had the regular side effects, but they are not necessarily connected (and contrary to your claim, no one has determined that they are connected to the vaccine to date – they are being investigated like they should be – that’s all for now)

Thank you
January 15, 2021 12:24 pm

Really fascinating and informative. Worth the listen. Thank you Dr Rosen.

phenomenal discussion!
January 15, 2021 12:39 pm

This was an excellent discussion. I will share this with my friends and community.

January 15, 2021 1:11 pm

I take a kemo pill, afatinib,daily because my lung cancer had spread to my adrenal gland and right frontal brain. Is it safe for me to take this vaccine , or will it interfere with kemo pill?

Reply to  [email protected]
January 15, 2021 1:38 pm

Since this covid’vaccine’ is really an experimental medical device in nano size it’s unlike any vaccine we have ever known until now. There is no one that can possibly garantee you it’s safety yet. You are welcome to volunteer to be the guinea pig at your own risk.

please do not ask strangers for medical advice
Reply to  [email protected]
January 17, 2021 12:59 am

talk to your oncologist who prescribes your chemo regimen!

This is a question for your doctor
Reply to  [email protected]
January 17, 2021 5:24 pm

Please seek the advice of a qualified medical professional.

Listen to what the doctor is saying
January 15, 2021 1:33 pm

So the doctor Says that the vaccine is affective 95% for the “disease”
But it is NOT going to save you from:
1. Transmission to others
2. Catching the virus

So me getting the vaccine is not going to help others, it will maybe only help me get only a mild virus.

Seems like a no brainer, I will definitely not get the vaccine.

And why do they want to force everyone to get it, if it will not protect me from getting the virus and passing to others?

That's not what he said
Reply to  Listen to what the doctor is saying
January 17, 2021 5:25 pm

He said that currently, that is an unknown. In all likelihood, it will reduce the rate of transmission, we just don’t know by how much. We should start getting answers on that within the next couple of weeks.

Listen to what the doctor is saying
Reply to  That's not what he said
January 20, 2021 8:37 pm

So let’s wait and see, why should we be the human trials??

January 15, 2021 1:48 pm

Just watch how these same experts who blamed everything on covid however unrelated will be careful not to acknowledge any negative issues that result from taking this new experimental covid vaccine.

Pfizer is very reliable!!! Here is why...
January 15, 2021 2:25 pm

Google the words “Pfizer criminal history”

Pfizer has been a “habitual offender,” persistently engaging in illegal and corrupt marketing practices, bribing physicians and suppressing adverse trial results. Since 2002 the company and its subsidiaries have been assessed $3 billion in criminal convictions, civil penalties and jury awards.

Reply to  Pfizer is very reliable!!! Here is why...
January 17, 2021 5:26 pm

Take the moderna vaccine

January 16, 2021 4:11 pm

If I still have to wear a mask and practice social distancing after taking the vaccine and if the vaccine won’t stop transmissions (as Dr Ber Zeev claims), then why should I take this vaccine (for a virus that has a 99% recovery rate)?? And If a patient a high risk patients gets covid, they can always follow the Zelenko Protocol to get cured. What is the point of this vaccine? Why should I take the vaccine and wait up to 20 years to see if there are any long term side effects (and rely on a corrupt organisation like… Read more »

Reply to  Huh?
January 17, 2021 5:27 pm

Zelenko Protocol doesn’t work. There is mountain of evidence on it at this point.

It. Does. Not. Work.

Reply to  Okay
January 17, 2021 9:27 pm

It’s interesting that you claim that there is a “mountain of evidence” to “prove” that the zelenko protocol does not work ( you have repeatedly posted the same comment throughout this thread), yet you provide absolutely no evidence…

When you refer to a “mountain of evidence” – are you referring to the fraudulent Lancet study that was done on HCQ- a study which the Lancet was forced to retract because it was… fraudulent? Surely, if there is a “mountain of evidence”, than one would not need to resort to fraud to disprove the Zelenko protocol?

T cell B cell
January 16, 2021 6:29 pm

I’ve been wondering why my husband and I BH in our 70’s with history of immunosuppressed conditions, did not BH contract the virus. No symptoms. Many tests. All negative. No antibodies. We do mask and avoid crowds. But, we have taken risks. Weddings. Bris. My husband goes to Shul every day. I go to work. Is it possible we have an immunity due to our history of cancer. Chemo. Stem cell transplant. We both had lymphoma non Hodgkins at different times. I’m just curious. And would the vaccine be beneficial? My husband took Pfizer and I’m thinking about Mederna. Please… Read more »

Thank you!
January 17, 2021 2:02 am

Thank you for Dr. Rosen and Dr. Bar Zeev for a thorough and clear presentation that helped me sort through lots of information, and helped clarify to me many things about this vaccination. Thank you for providing this source of information for us!
Thank you Gedaliah Society for always being there for us throughout this pandemic!

Focus on immunity - not an experimental vaccine!
January 18, 2021 10:44 am

From Dr. David Brownstein, MD: Greetings & Happy New Year! I am sorry that I have not been writing to you since April 2020. Working on the front lines during COVID-19 has not only been the most exciting time in my career, it has also been the most frustrating time because I was censored… I am pleased to announce that I have a new book out: A Holistic Approach to Viruses. It is my sixteenth(!) book. This book includes a copy of my published study, “A Novel Approach to Treating Covid-19 Using Nutritional and Oxidative Therapies.” A Holistic Approach to Viruses… Read more »

Vaccine Alternatives
January 22, 2021 12:06 am

The Pfizer vaccine is not yet FDA approved. It is still undergoing trials. (The FDA allows it’s “emergency use” but has not actually approved it, as there is insufficient evidence as to the efficacy and safety of the vaccine. Visit the FDA website and you’ll see all the unknowns under the Q&A for the vaccine.) If, and once it is PROVEN to be safe, it may be a good idea for high risk individuals. However, the majority the population – approx. 99.97% – recover well without any treatment or intervention. For medium and high risk individuals there is also the… Read more »

YD Friedman
January 26, 2021 10:22 pm

I searched the internet for many many hours.
There are 2 things i could NOT find.

1) Studies and trials of “The Zelenko Protocol” (with the ZINC, for heaven’s sake!!) that ended in failure.
(They all had fabulous results.)

2) Studies of HCQ that resulted in failure, where they did it correctly.
(You will find in every study that they either neglected the Zinc (around 90%) or they did the study with late-stage patients (around 10%)

See for yourself.