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Despite What You Think, Covid Isn’t Gone

From the COLlive inbox: I know of someone who just came back from visiting a friend at a bungalow colony in the Catskills who has tested positive for Covid-19. Another person I know was on a private plane and caught it as well. Update: Message from Dr. Ditchek regarding possible reinfection. Full Story, Video

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THANK YOU!
July 9, 2020 1:41 am

I honestly thought I was being ridiculous, seeing the community acting like covid is gone is driving me insane. This isn’t over and won’t be for a while. It’s so important to remember that not everyone has immunity and that anyone can carry covid into the community infecting people never infected before and reinfecting others. These people don’t need to get covid, the suffering of these people can and should be prevented. It’s our job to protect the people in our community. It’s time to step up and wear a mask for the sake of not just the community but… Read more »

reinfection
Reply to  THANK YOU!
July 9, 2020 4:39 am

the reality is that people who had covid and tested positive for antibodies are becoming reinfected. not just in our community but in lakewood, deal, etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qjh4WuV94VQ people need to wake up and start acting responsibly in our community

Thank You
Reply to  THANK YOU!
July 9, 2020 6:59 am

I agree. We didn’t get it yet. I’m terrified to come back to CH at the end of the summer. Everyone should be wearing masks at minimum in stores and in shuls!

Mrs p
Reply to  THANK YOU!
July 9, 2020 7:44 am

I actually really think, if people are really worried, they should be the ones to walk around with the mask and social distance and or stay home, to protect themselves!

wow
Reply to  Mrs p
July 9, 2020 8:57 am

you are the epitome of selfishness. you should be ashamed. people can get sick from you and you don’t care. horrific. the masks people wear protect others. they protect you with their masks and you can’t be bothered to protect them.

How selfish and self-cetered!!!
Reply to  Mrs p
July 9, 2020 9:02 am

The people who are ‘really worried’ are worried for good reason! You are not worried because you are ignorant of what the most respected medical authorities in the world are saying! And, the people who are ‘really worried’ and are wearing masks are protecting YOU!

So…be a mentch! Wear a mask!

Selfish
Reply to  Mrs p
July 9, 2020 9:23 am

That’s selfish and you obviously don’t understand how masks work. Masks primarily protect the other person.

So I wear a mask because I don’t want to spread the infection to others and ultimately the more vulnerable.

Mrs. C
July 9, 2020 2:27 am

No one knows how long antibodies protect or even if they do. As we can see is happening, the second wave has begun. Hopefully we have learned over the past few months how serious this virus can be. Didn’t we lose enough precious souls already? Let’s not repeat our mistakes! We must not be complacent and let our guard down yet. Please comply with guidelines!

Waves
Reply to  Mrs. C
July 9, 2020 12:46 pm

Someone will be publishing a 100-year COVID Wave Calendar. In it, you will find the calculations for upcoming COVID waves over the next 100 years. It will help you plan and prepare sufficient supplies of masks, gloves and toilet paper. Seriously, do you want to spend your life doing this?

Fantastic!
Reply to  Waves
July 9, 2020 2:18 pm

Thank you for saying it as it is.
People should stop declaring others selfish. Many have bad reactions and breathing/health issues when wearing a mask.

A matter of life and death.
Reply to  Fantastic!
July 13, 2020 8:44 am

If you feel you cant breath with the mask, imagine someone trying to breath with their lungs and blood vessels wipe-out by the virus.

The recent developments are (a) it spreads in the air indoors and (b) resistance to reinfection fades after about 6 months.

So in this case, being selfish equals being stupid.

Stop
July 9, 2020 2:50 am

To collive i know you are not gonna put this comment up because this goes against your narrative you did not put 3 of my comments that had the same idea and you have the right to deny the comment You are being muniplated by dr rosen to put every day another thing about covid 19 Everyone has enough problems of their own because of covid either losing a job or deprest or upset with what is going on in the world they know covid could come again until there is a vaccine I looked at almost evrything on your… Read more »

Anonymous
Reply to  Stop
July 9, 2020 4:14 am

Putting articles like this is important especially in places where they think they have had covid and everything is fine recent studies from European countries has shown that antibodies and the supposed immunity that comes with it is maximum for a few months after which previously having had covid will not protect you. Therefore it’s important to reinforce and keep reminding people to keep social distancing, masks and sanitization standards

Links Please
Reply to  Anonymous
July 9, 2020 2:02 pm

Interesting. Could you please post links to these studies?

wow
Reply to  Stop
July 9, 2020 4:43 am

you are unbelievable! shame on you. “manipulated by dr rosen” – who do you think you are to speak for this community? dr rosen is our rofeh yedid to the entire community and to lubavitchers all over the world. how dare you? his is the voice of reason and he states the facts based on what is going on in our hood. no one wants to hear what you have to say.

To comment "stop"
Reply to  Stop
July 9, 2020 6:44 am

phew….wow, not one comma or full stop!! I am still trying to get my breath back from reading it!

Even if you are fed up
Reply to  Stop
July 9, 2020 7:02 am

You don’t need to risk another persons well being and health.

Question
Reply to  Stop
July 9, 2020 7:55 am

What do you think Dr. Rosen has to gain by “manipulating” this website into posting important updates about a deadly disease?

answer
Reply to  Question
July 9, 2020 10:20 pm

if they do not gain by having this article why upload it.he wants people to start putting on mask again

"All it does is get people mad"
Reply to  Stop
July 9, 2020 9:12 am

It gets people informed. If reality makes you mad, that’s on you…

If i have to walk in the streets
Reply to  "All it does is get people mad"
July 9, 2020 1:03 pm

And a 7 year old boy is endlessly repeating “Corona Corona you have Corona “, it’s called mad. Adults are getting more effected by it in the head , then the actual virus and are passing it on to the children.
calm it down!

one time
Reply to  "All it does is get people mad"
July 9, 2020 10:21 pm

informing once or twice is enough

Agree
July 9, 2020 2:59 am

I agree wholeheartedly but do not have the courage and do not want to feel
Embarrassed being the only person in
Shul with a mask on.

Set an example
Reply to  Agree
July 9, 2020 7:41 am

First of all, you should not be in shul for more than a few minutes. If you are there, set an example and wear the mask.

Should not be in shul?
Reply to  Set an example
July 9, 2020 10:54 am

That’s your opinion, and obviously each one draws the line someplace else. The drs have not said we should close Shuls And botei midrashim down but rather use masks while there.

Put a mask on and save a life!
July 9, 2020 3:20 am

I walk around w a mask.. ppl look at me like am alien. Yes it’s hot yes it’s hard to breath. It’s also hard to be sick or loose a family member! Haven’t we lost enough these past few months! How close does it need to hit home for ppl to begin understanding?

Same here
Reply to  Put a mask on and save a life!
July 9, 2020 8:49 am

I walk down Kingston with a mask because I have respect for others and do not want anyone to get sick.

BH just me.
July 9, 2020 3:45 am

Hydroxchloroquine and Zink.

Spell correctly for credibility, please.
Reply to  BH just me.
July 9, 2020 10:11 am

Zinc

BH just me.
Reply to  Spell correctly for credibility, please.
July 9, 2020 3:38 pm

You’re right, I didn’t realize. Please use the Zelenko protocol to protect yourself and your loved ones.

And..
Reply to  BH just me.
July 9, 2020 3:44 pm

Azithromycin 🙂

Facts speak, dont make things up
July 9, 2020 3:47 am

the person who did not tell the truth on the private plane was your friend not the others. Covid does not happen instantly so he comes to NY and feels sick. means he went on the plane already with it. now that half your story was shot down let me tell you about the other half, your daughters friend also should not have wemt to the bungalow, anyone that you see hugging had the virus or are accepting that they might get it, we all know the risks we put ourselves in amd no one needs your stories of outliers… Read more »

Cereal?
July 9, 2020 4:38 am

Why can’t everyone who wants to live in fear go about it without telling everyone else what to do?

Because
Reply to  Cereal?
July 9, 2020 8:42 am

You hurt others. This is unfortunately a selfish comment, and as a baltchuva, shows the complete hypocrisy of the “frum” community

being frum
Reply to  Because
July 9, 2020 9:07 am

being frum is for the person’s best benefit, no one is doing anyone a “favor” by being frum. please don’t mix in “baal teshuva” and “hypocrisy of frum community”-if someone is doing something wrong that is frum, that has to be addressed and corrected- but what does you being a baal teshuva have to do with it? you sound almost like you have something against “the frum community” and that you have made the conclusion that they are “complete hypocrites” and that the reason you may so is becasue you are a baal teshuva. what’s the connection? maybe let’s all… Read more »

MRS PERL ARBOR
July 9, 2020 4:58 am

WHAT PART OF BLOOD CLOTS CAUSING AMPUTATED LEGS, LONG TERM BRAIN AND COGNITIVE DAMAGE, PERMANTLY DAMAGED LUNGS, NOT TO MENTION 150,000 DEATHS ALONE IN THE USA, DO THESE IDIOTS, NOT SOCIAL DISTANCING OR WEARING MASKS, NOT UNDERSTAND.

Dear Mrs Perl Arbor
Reply to  MRS PERL ARBOR
July 9, 2020 12:18 pm

You have stated this so well. As I have seen written many times, you can hopefully educate the uninformed or misinformed, but there’s no cure for stupid.

No masks
July 9, 2020 5:37 am

I commented on a picture of a Simcha awhile back that no one was wearing masks. That comment never appeared. It was not approved. I’m curious if this one will be. I’ve heard from several Crown Heights people that they are safe because they had Covid. They can’t get it again and they can’t pass it to others. The fact is, no one can say for certain that is true.

reinfection
Reply to  No masks
July 9, 2020 9:01 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qjh4WuV94VQ
reinfection is happening. antibodies wear off. listen to dr ditchek.
it’s a reality in deal, in lakewood, in other hoods and in our hood.

Nothing is 100 certain.
Reply to  No masks
July 9, 2020 7:44 pm

I’m afraid of flying on plane.
And where do I get 100 year calendar?

Somthing to think about
July 9, 2020 6:31 am

“When I was a young man, I wanted to change the world. I found it was difficult to change the world, so I tried to change my nation. When I found I couldn’t change the nation, I began to focus on my town. I couldn’t change the town and as an older man, I tried to change my family. Now, as an old man, I realize the only thing I can change is myself, and suddenly I realize that if long ago I had changed myself, I could have made an impact on my family. My family and I could… Read more »

It's real
July 9, 2020 7:40 am

The writer who describes a second wave is not far off. Recent research suggests (a) that resistance may fade after 3-6 months, and (b) in a room with other people, the chance of being infected rises dramatically after about 30 minutes. So, masks everywhere outside your home, don’t be inside for more than a short time anywhere besides your home, and no one inside your home besides your immediate family. Two months of this would end it. But unfortunately too many Americans seem to be too selfish to do what is needed. I would like to think we are better… Read more »

Reality
Reply to  It's real
July 9, 2020 12:51 pm

It’s never going away, you have a whole planet to deal with. Accept it and move on.

Huh?
Reply to  Reality
July 9, 2020 7:29 pm

“Accept it”?? Accept 25 consecutive days of funerals?? Chas V’sholom!!

A mystery is happening!!
July 9, 2020 7:43 am

1) Why isn’t anyone mentioning about listening to Doctor Zelenko’s regimen right away when they have any symptoms of the COVID-19 virus? – and talking only about masks and social distancing?? 2) The physical size of the virus is between 1000 and 2000 times smaller than the holes of the masks, so how exactly are the masks preventing the virus From getting through to the people??

Hello
Reply to  A mystery is happening!!
July 9, 2020 8:52 am

Would you rather someone sneeze on your face or on your mask? Huh?

Uh huh
Reply to  Hello
July 9, 2020 2:32 pm

And before covid, how many times did people sneeze on your face?

Good question, but no mysteryBe a mench!
Reply to  A mystery is happening!!
July 9, 2020 9:15 am

You want to know how maks work? STUDY THE SCIENCE!!
You know better than the top world’s scientists???

Beards
Reply to  Good question, but no mysteryBe a mench!
July 9, 2020 12:02 pm

Science is based on properly wearing the masks, which is impossible with a beard. That said I still wear a mask because it makes people feel safer and Rabbis said it’s okay on Shabbos. The science of masks and beards don’t conclude wearing them is a strong enough defense (I’m sure it help some though)

becuse you are the smartest person around
Reply to  A mystery is happening!!
July 9, 2020 10:07 am

Also, dr zelenkos treatment which has been proven effective is only once you get it. People dont want to get sick and infect others.

once you get it it seems his treatment is working.

Why few are listing to doctor ...
Reply to  A mystery is happening!!
July 13, 2020 8:46 am

Very simply, few are following that regime, because it was tested around the world, many times, and it does not work.

Peer Pressure
July 9, 2020 7:46 am

Thank you for a voice of reason. Friends: Use peer pressure for good reason – wear a mask and act responsibly and others with seichel will hopefully follow your good example.

Second Wave?
July 9, 2020 7:47 am

Look, nobody wants businesses to close down again. Wear a mask and social distance so we can avoid that! It’s pretty simple.

Afraid for CH
July 9, 2020 7:49 am

I am over 70 and have type 2 diabetes. I have not had Cov-19. I am amazed at the few people wearing masks and social distancing. We in nyc are lucky at the moment that the numbers are down but look at other cities and states+ it is very bad.
I know wearing a mask is not comfortable but masks work and protect people from infections.
Please take the words of this article seriously.

Being Compliant...
July 9, 2020 8:40 am

I am so happy this was put up…. there are still MANY who are at risk….. I want to know why , when I go for a walk with my mask on, it seems MOST of our community is NOT wearing masks, whereas a SIGNIFICANT amount of our non-Jewish neighbours ARE!!!!! what a Chillul Hashem!

Eastern Pkwy
Reply to  Being Compliant...
July 9, 2020 11:49 am

As you drive down Eastern Parkway, you can see where the Jewish community starts by the lack of masks. It’s sad.

770
July 9, 2020 9:26 am

And what’s with 770 even the rabonim don’t care any more there’s even dancing with not a care to the world what would the Rebbe say to all this???

The rebbe would say..
Reply to  770
July 9, 2020 2:30 pm

Stay home

not proven
Reply to  The rebbe would say..
July 9, 2020 10:50 pm

i do not know for sure maybe the rebbe might have said not to close the shuls
like the hurricane in florida he told people not to leave or in and the gulf war the rebbe said that isreal is the safest place
we do not know what the rebbe would have said so do not put words in the rebbes mouth

Check the facts
July 9, 2020 9:43 am

Yes they are a lot more cases now than there was before, but if you would look into it you would see that 1 it’s just because they are more people getting tested, 2 they changed what it means to be positive, a probable case is considered as a new case, as is an antibody test. 3 if you get tested more than once it will come up as several different cases, And if you don’t like to believe this just look at the number of deaths that hasn’t gone up in fact the numbers are going down, And can… Read more »

Numbers of deaths are in fact going up now
Reply to  Check the facts
July 9, 2020 11:55 pm

In fact, the numbers of deaths are now back up to 900 plus a day nationwide, now that the numbers of infections are skyrocketing in Florida, Arizona, California, and other states, the numbers of deaths have started to go up yet again over the past 3 days, back to where we were before. It’s not over, folks.Don’t you follow the news?

Cost vs. benefit
Reply to  Numbers of deaths are in fact going up now
July 10, 2020 5:28 pm

Number of death going up, cases “skyrocketing”. At some point, you have to reopen. Many people find it hard or nearly impossible to wear a mask, especially those with breathing conditions.

Fact is, a vaccine is not coming out tomorrow. Masks — especially the simple cloth or disposable masks that many are wearing — do not always prevent corona.

At some point, life has to slowly go back to normal. At this point, we have to resume our lives, with only those at-risk or corona-positive quarantining.

Covid is never going away
July 9, 2020 10:03 am

People recognize the truth. Covid is never going to be cured. It is here to stay and it has been in different forms for hundreds of years. We have to learn how to live with it. Those that are vulnerable need to protect themselves. They should wear a mask and stay away from congested places. The collateral damage of not going on with living is by far much greater in number then the few high risk individuals. This is not said with selfishness this is the reality. The rate of suicide, mental and emotional breakdowns has sky rocketed over the… Read more »

The only smart comment
Reply to  Covid is never going away
July 9, 2020 11:02 am

Thanks for speaking up.

Yes!!!!
Reply to  Covid is never going away
July 9, 2020 4:24 pm

There is no doubt that the mental illness and deaths indirectly caused by covid outweigh this all. The problem, as with all proven studies, is that we don’t know the true effects until YEARS after. So to say well this dr says this so it must be true, is a load of rubbish. This is a novel situation and if the top scientists do not have any conclusive evidence, then stop blindly following every doctor that puts out a statement.

Curious what our Rebbe would say on all this. It seems like a case of “the blind leading the blind…”

BITOCHON!
Reply to  Covid is never going away
July 13, 2020 12:57 am

you need to have bitachon

COVID KILLED ALL THEIR BRAIN CELLS
July 9, 2020 10:16 am

Its basic human decency to wear a mask. Considering the fact that reinfection is possible, how can one be so incredibly selfish?!? We’ve lost enough lives already… But if this article doesn’t hit home then really consider if you have any remaining brain cells.

Check the facts
Reply to  COVID KILLED ALL THEIR BRAIN CELLS
July 9, 2020 10:35 am

Just curious, did you read the label on the masks that says it doesn’t protect you from covid?

The facts called...
Reply to  Check the facts
July 9, 2020 2:03 pm

The mask is meant to protect others. Which is why the comment you replied to said it’s “selfish” not to wear one.

Whether or not it protects the wearer isn’t the only question

question
Reply to  COVID KILLED ALL THEIR BRAIN CELLS
July 9, 2020 12:53 pm

Will reinfection ever be impossible? No. So make it clear that your advice is that people wear a mask for the rest of their lives.

Only prevention
July 9, 2020 11:20 am

Quarintine and stay home L’olem Voed forever and ever. Don’t go to shul Don’t go outside. Don’t buy food Stay home and wear your mask 24-7.

Selfish
Reply to  Only prevention
July 9, 2020 11:54 am

So die? That’s your answer to those who are concerned about their health and the health of their family? They should stay home and die? Even the children? What kind of person are you? If a tiny piece of cloth on your face could potentially save your family, you wouldn’t wear it? You’re really willing to risk the lives of your own family?

This post is from me. I am not a Puppet
July 9, 2020 11:40 am

…I’m actually very upset that community doctors directly and indirectly implied that this virus was over weeks ago and are now backpedaling! Because of our exposure to this new case in a Lubavitcher colony my family has to get tested today. My husband is in his 50s and does not have antibodies, but even people who had antibodies are getting Covid again. The family thankfully told us about our exposure but did not report it to the community at large. It must be known. This is not fear-mongering. It is responsible reporting. Small businesses can and should remain open but… Read more »

Your article is appreciated.
Reply to  This post is from me. I am not a Puppet
July 9, 2020 1:04 pm

What people do on their own terms is fine! But in public places please keep everyone safe! It’s hardly uncomfortable to put a mask on to go in a store and take off afterwards.

Masks
July 9, 2020 12:02 pm

Masks work like this. If you have covid and you wear the mask it stops a lot of the virus from getting out via you breathing. The mask is for other people’s protection, not your own. But if everyone wore masks it would mean everyone breathing is getting a lot of the virus filtered out. Those who are refusing to wear masks should be the one to stay inside, especially since you’ve determined that your own comfortability is worth more than a human life.

Breathing equals spreading COVID??? Huh
Reply to  Masks
July 9, 2020 1:23 pm

Since when does breathing equal spreading COVID??? I thought it’s sneeze, spit, cough, talking. At least that’s what the CDC says.

all of the above
Reply to  Breathing equals spreading COVID??? Huh
July 9, 2020 5:02 pm

it’s breathing in someone’s direction, spittle from speaking, coughing, sneezing…any time you expel a bit of air from your mouth you can infect someone

gut gezokt
Reply to  Masks
July 9, 2020 5:03 pm

thank you!

Shul with Masks
July 9, 2020 12:56 pm

Serious question. There are enough concerned residents in CH, it seems, who want to daven according to the Rabbonim and Doctors’ guidance. Does anyone know any shuls that are enforcing mask wearing in the area (other than CAY – it’s not the scene for a lot of people)? If not, can we start a minyan somewhere!?

That’s an idea
Reply to  Shul with Masks
July 9, 2020 1:07 pm

Great idea.

Getting started
Reply to  That’s an idea
July 9, 2020 2:13 pm

Email [email protected] so we can begin organizing this.

Mask shul
Reply to  Getting started
July 9, 2020 4:42 pm

For women also?

How we will restart schools after all
July 9, 2020 12:57 pm

How to increase parnosah in the pandemic ? Literally hard to deal with all

Shul with masks
July 9, 2020 1:27 pm

I have the same question! I am so furious that 770 goes on as usual with no masks, and sets the tone for other shuls. What kind of people do this? Is there a shul in CH where everyone wears a mask?

Getting started 2
Reply to  Shul with masks
July 9, 2020 2:14 pm

Email [email protected] so we can begin organizing this.

to all those who support masks
July 9, 2020 1:28 pm

Why don’t I ever see you on Kingston Ave or in Shul.

In March and April most people wore masks and we had more deaths in the neighberhood

stay away
Reply to  to all those who support masks
July 9, 2020 5:01 pm

the reason you don’t see me is because i run away from people like you…i hide…my mask protects you and you refuse to do the same for me. i don’t go on kingston because of you. i can’t go to shul because of you.

Traveling
July 9, 2020 1:54 pm

The only ones being reinfected are those traveling. Anyone who travels should quarantine themselves to keep the rest of the community safe.

country
Reply to  Traveling
July 10, 2020 9:07 am

people are getting reinfected upstate. no social distancing no masks. too much socializing inside

what???
Reply to  Traveling
July 10, 2020 10:12 am

is your head buried that deep in the sand?? the only ones reinfected are those travelling??? what a ridiculous comment….loook at reinfection in Deal, Lakewood and our hood

This is beyond CRAZY
July 9, 2020 2:03 pm

Everyone go back into hibernation

stop living in fantacy!
July 9, 2020 3:11 pm

Masks,social distancing, gloves, An astronaut suits, Will not take away the plague Of Covid 19, There are more than enough medicines from conventional medicine and alternative medicine that work against the COVID-19 very good but no one is talking about it !!! Why???

which convetional medicines
Reply to  stop living in fantacy!
July 9, 2020 5:35 pm

zinc, vit c, anything else?
interested to know

what works practicly
July 9, 2020 8:38 pm

For prevention: Vitamin A, Vitamin C, Vitamin D3, Zinc, if someone has already the virus, follow DR. Zelenko’s regimen: Hydroxychloroquine 200 Mg. Twice A Day,Zithromax 500 Mg. Once A Day, (if can not take zithromax it could be replaced with Levaquin 500 Mg.) and ZINC.

just be sure
Reply to  what works practicly
July 9, 2020 11:59 pm

to speak to your dr. first, especially if you have diabetes or heart issues. This is only being mentioned bec, of things things I read.
I do believe this protocol saved many lives!

Lessons
July 9, 2020 8:53 pm

I appreciate this article. I appreciate Dr Rosen & Co. periodic declarations. I appreciate the diversity of opinion. And. I’m amazed at the stubbornness of the part of humanity that refuses to believe that some things We.Don’t.Know. COVID is something no one yet has solved. Not prevention. Not cure. Not whether there’s long or short term immunity. Not how it does or does not spread. Not who gets it and who doesn’t. Not Who gets it bad and who doesn’t. But there is government and medical authority. And there is everyone’s individual decision whether to abide by the advice or… Read more »

Halacha
July 10, 2020 8:15 am

Everyone is entitled to their opinion about how dangerous covid is and wether there should be another lockdown or what not, but Halacha is clear that practically speaking, one must follow drs directives.

The local roife yedidim have said to wear masks when in public indoor spaces . (At the very least)

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