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CTeen, “the System,” and a Rule in Bava Kama…

From the COLlive inbox: A Chabad bochur saw the many Jewish teens roaming excitedly around Crown Heights. Then he went back into Yeshiva and saw a contrasting scenario, wondering what can be done about it. Full Story

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February 25, 2024 11:00 pm

So well written and so well said.
Thank you

Reply to  Wow
February 28, 2024 4:29 pm

why didn’t you walk over to the boys who looked sad and give them a smile and ask them if they need anything?

The difference is
February 25, 2024 11:08 pm

FFB dont cherish, guard, value every mitzvah as a connection to Hashem – that preciousness. They allow the sitra Achra to take over and then it turns into part of lazy boring life instead of we live with the Rebbe, we live with the times…. etc…. the BTs value every mitzvah every good deed as a way to connect and thus the excitement is as we see it. If FFBs take life for granted and so enthusiasm in mitzvos – its seen. When BT’S live with yiddishkeit- its seen. Its upto YOU, you see the world as HASHEM and the… Read more »

Few points
February 25, 2024 11:23 pm

1. The zal is also that excited on the first day of the school year in elul.. Bochorim arriving from different places, a new setting, reuniting with old friends and seeing new people starting a new subject brand new. 2. New and makif inspiration is important and great.. For real. Whether for not yet frum or a ffb makif initially to inspire before the long term goal is a great boost.. But to maintain that initial fire in a pnimius way takes hard work without going half way. 3. True avodas Hashem is tough work.. BH there are many in… Read more »

avodah not depression
Reply to  Few points
February 26, 2024 12:56 am

“True avodas Hashem is tough work.. ” yes but not depressing work there needs to be more of a Kuch a happines in being a yid a simcha in just living

I tend to disagree
Reply to  Few points
February 26, 2024 4:25 am

I tend to disagree, and strongly. 1. The excitement on the first day of yeshiva is very different to the excitement the teens have. It’s not the excitement for Torah, mitzvos, and yiddishkeit. Its just a nervous, maybe lack of self contentment, esteem, or something else, type of excitement. Not many bochurim are truly happy, as a person (human),to be there. Best case scenario, they’re happy to see friends, but what does that have to do with yeshiva or yiddishkeit? 2. Your second point is true but I’m not sure what relevance it has here. I assume because of that… Read more »

every word !
February 25, 2024 11:24 pm

this could be the beginning to a much needed discussion.
one of the problems that our schools are dry and do not cater to the needs of this generation. they are not exciting our teens. chassidus, the way taught by the older generation, is not appealing and the kids are looking away.. this article should be read by mechanchim and hanhala of the locals schools

Reply to  every word !
February 26, 2024 12:31 am

Maybe it depends on the school? I’ve seen some very happy bochrim and young chassidim in my limited exposure. They seem passionate about chassidus, as much as the older generations. Maybe you are being too hard on yourself and unduly pessimistic.

Reply to  David
February 26, 2024 9:49 am

Please share which schools

Reply to  every word !
February 26, 2024 2:15 am


... That perhaps will only perpetuate the issue
Reply to  every word !
February 26, 2024 2:15 am

… Because it is going to be a full time job on its own if the mechanchim and hanhala need to spend their time reading every article that the commentors seem to believe are imperative for them to do their job. The benefit will be that they will read (and discuss) every article. The downside will be that they may not have too much time left to spend on our kids Chinuch.. (and no, I don’t mean that literally. The point is as follows:) It’s important that as parents we don’t just (put the responsibility on others, and we that… Read more »

This is the media
Reply to  ... That perhaps will only perpetuate the issue
February 26, 2024 6:37 pm

The job of commentators is to comment. It’s literally in their name!

Reply to  every word !
February 26, 2024 4:28 am

That’s not the real issue. Chassidus is awesome either way. It’s the systems mental health

True !
Reply to  Nah
February 26, 2024 5:16 pm

Try to compare the energy in Crown heights yud shvat to cteen

Another point when people see each other from different places, it exciting just human nature

And there’s no concert in time Square

Wow nice
February 25, 2024 11:28 pm

Great points, some great takeouts and so very well written. Get this kids shidduch resume asap because he’s a catch

Br girl
Reply to  Wow nice
February 26, 2024 12:48 am

I’m ready can you be the shadchan?

great lord
Reply to  Br girl
February 27, 2024 4:58 pm

stop being cringe and go back to school gal, you have a couple of years before you’re at that point.

tangent: why do we even use resumes
Reply to  Wow nice
February 26, 2024 7:20 am

let’s go back to the good old days before resumes existed
this is about a life partner, not a job interview

Where are they?
February 25, 2024 11:30 pm

All these organizations have these fantastic trips for the kids to go on that are fully funded and almost completely free for them. Why don’t we have anything like that for our bochurim? Why aren’t there fully paid trips to Israel, NY, Germany, Europe etc. etc. etc. where our Sinai scholars, or snorkel and study? Do our bochurim having a cheshek for Torah and Hashem mean less than these students?

Reply to  Where are they?
February 25, 2024 11:48 pm

This would be amazing for FFB!!

Yes yes yes!
Reply to  Where are they?
February 25, 2024 11:53 pm

I agree. So important especially for todays youth

af al pi shelo chata yisroel hu
Reply to  Where are they?
February 26, 2024 1:00 am

yup, I spoke to a bt bochur and he told me thats how he feels to once you are out of the coming frum zone and now already in yeshivah no one cares to much anymore….

Not Cteen
Reply to  Where are they?
February 26, 2024 2:32 am

It costs like at least 800-900 just for the weekend

Cevi Lohen
Reply to  Where are they?
February 26, 2024 2:42 am

Um, why aren’t there any free trips to Israel u ask, there literally is- birthright. It’s 100% free and any Lubavitcher bochur age 18-24 can go. They even have frum programs, and yes there are non Lubavitchers on those programs too, but aderaba, lubavitch bochurim should go and do hafatza on them! Make ‘em chassidish too. For too long bochurim didn’t go on birthright because “es past nisht “ or something, but times have changed! Live in the present! (And hey, a free Israel trip is a free Israel trip)

Not exactly the same
Reply to  Cevi Lohen
February 26, 2024 9:54 am

While birthright is a very nice thing it’s not organized by chabad or directly aimed towards chabad. Here we have plenty of chabad trips, yet none of them are for actual lubavitchers.
Why not?
Why is no one bringing a plane full of lubavitch bochurim to Europe or Israel?
Why can’t there be a 10 day trip to all the places in Europe and Russia relevant to chabad chassidim?

Reply to  Cevi Lohen
February 26, 2024 9:30 pm

100 Percent!
thanks for bringing this important topic up!!!!

I'm not FFB
Reply to  Where are they?
February 26, 2024 7:16 am

and I never took any of the paid vacations. I’ve never even been to Israel, Germany, and I don’t think anyone could pay me to go to Germany! Never been on a jewish snorkel excursion, and if I could gift my unused birthright vacation to a jew I probably would except for the fact that I wouldn’t want them to mingle with the other people of the opposite gender who would also be on the vacation and do all the nonfrum things that birthright vacations do! I do not think you are missing out. Travel can really be a nuisance.

Reply to  Where are they?
February 26, 2024 8:44 am

Why are there no trips for our teens? You don’t think a bochur would like a free trip to lubavitch?

Kol Hakavod!
February 25, 2024 11:32 pm

Spot on!! You’ve planted the seed. May it come to fruition!!

Let's grow
February 25, 2024 11:33 pm

How do we instill that same energy and enthusiasm in our children when they go through the day to day grind in Yeshiva?

Not only among bochurim
February 25, 2024 11:34 pm

This same issue is with a lot of Ba’al T’shuvahs. We were excited. We burned with enthusiasm. We got married. We had kids. We have grandkids.

No one cares that we still have issues. No one cares that our enthusiasm has been tempered with responsibilites, learning, halachah, and minhagim. No one cares that we look at some as mishugoyim because we come from a society that has specific norms that we feel shouldn’t be sacrificed.

No one is coming to our rescue.

Improvements are a good thing
Reply to  Not only among bochurim
February 26, 2024 12:16 am

This is true in addition to other challenges such as parnossa, dealing with non frum relatives and the challenges of bringing up children without mentors. However this article is focusing on chinuch and the lack of enthusiasm that is seen especially when contrasted to the awesome chayas we saw on line over the weekend. This is definitely a challenge but its a good discussion and I hope that every mechanich can take this to heart when he or she enters the classroom. Yes chinuch is a steady process and hard work but in these challenging times it is important that… Read more »

February 25, 2024 11:39 pm

I’m always one for bottom line ..how would this work realistically

don't depend on anyone else
Reply to  Practically
February 26, 2024 7:19 am

to prove to you that you are worthy regardless of any external factors

February 25, 2024 11:41 pm

I think the leaders and educators in all of our Mosdos, and the parents of these teens need to make sure that they are exuding and experiencing true joy in their lives lived as yidden and chassidim. That would be the first step.

Remember shabbaton?
February 25, 2024 11:50 pm

I was pretty on fire during our school shabbatons also – and think of overnight camp. Baruch hashem we have these incredible experiences also!

Yes yes yes!
February 25, 2024 11:52 pm

“we simply fail to proactively educate and explain to our own children the values that we so doggedly impress upon the children of others.”

Yes yes yes!
February 25, 2024 11:54 pm

This is such an important article. My frum brothers look outside the window and see all the c teeners heading into the train for a huge concert in Times Square. They wish they could join too.

Go convince yourself
February 25, 2024 11:56 pm

With all due respect, myself a bochur, please stop feeling so holy and like you’re going to suddenly change the whole yeshiva system because YOU are uncomfortable walking into zal bla bla bla. Please take a moment and remember that we are in the hardest period of the year in yeshiva in general and it’s also a leap year. Trust me after pesach bochurim are gonna be happy to see each other again. Maybe create CBochurim with music and chants and a freaking TIMES SQUARE concert and a second one on Sunday and only then start talkin. Shkoyach.

Reply to  Go convince yourself
February 26, 2024 11:13 am


Reply to  TRUE WORDS
February 26, 2024 1:11 pm

There’s a lot of bochurim who have mental health issues which aren’t addressed and only aggravated (or were initially created by) the system. And then there’s bochurim who are missing clarity (whether knowingly or not) in a lot of basic things in yiddishkeit. Yeah, bochurim are missing a lot of human experience that these teens have just by living their life. It’s unfortunate, but the system doesn’t care about them in the human way (most of the time/ppl) And I don’t think he’s writing this thinking he’s gonna change the system. He’s bringing up incredibly good, true points and hopefully… Read more »

Reply to  NO HE DOESN'T
February 26, 2024 7:54 pm

No bochurim have Internet access, it is forbidden by the yeshivos

You missed my point.
Reply to  NO HE DOESN'T
February 28, 2024 7:58 pm

It’s currently the hardest period of yeshiva and a leap year at that. So of course some or even a lot of bochurim are going to have hunched postures looking 100% bored.

Great article!
February 26, 2024 12:08 am

As chassidishe parents & machanchim we must exude simcha & excitement in all we do & all we teach!
It needs to permeate all our chinuch whether its for our children or our Talmidim….

February 26, 2024 12:28 am

This is literal facts as a guy in yeshiva myself, a lot of it has to be changed by hanhola, that was things aren’t the same as they used to and there need to be more exciting things , also because bochurim aren’t as proactive.

So true
February 26, 2024 12:40 am

As someone who’s from a BT family with the name Kalmen. I completely agree.

February 26, 2024 2:00 am

Shluchim make Yiddishkeit and learning Torah more appealing in general which is great, bochurim however are expected to be self-motivated and know what to do already on their own, which makes sense; but doesn’t work for some of us and it leads to mitzvas anashim milumadah and lack of chayus in Torah and mitzvos the way the Rebbe expects of us. Halevai we had the appreciation others have in our own chassidus and live an intentional version of yiddishkeit instead of passive.

C-teen message
Reply to  Facts
February 27, 2024 10:36 am

I watched the C-teen concert in Times Square. The message was pretty generic. Am Yisroel Chai. They weren’t learning deep concepts in Chassidus. Not knocking c-teen but we can’t compare one fun weekend to the day in day out grind. How do these teenagers live their lives when they get home after C-teen?

Don’t get me wrong, I think some bachurim need other channels for stimulation and there shouldn’t be only one track. But I have no illusions that the grass is greener.

February 26, 2024 2:21 am

Are the majority of adults there older, meaning senior citizens? I am asking, because if so, perhaps an intervention is called for. Sometimes long-held habits and approaches are hard to break, but sometimes the necessity exists. Leadership should take action in those cases, if we expect Yeshivas to succeed.

Amazing article
February 26, 2024 4:37 am

Well well done on both questioning things and *also* looking for the solutions iyH for them. This seems really very deep and I hope menahilim, mashpiim, and all hanhalah think about this and take it to heart.

Norm or not
February 26, 2024 4:49 am

Some of the very bochurim you may have seen with “their eyes hollow and their posture hunched“ on Wednesday, may have went the very next day to lead a shabbaton for Shluchim’s kids (known as “Shabbos Tzuzamen”). They might be “brimming with excitement” even more than the CTeens you witnessed walking down Kingston Ave. It’s just that you witnessed one group having an experience that isn’t their norm (and yes it’s very exciting to come join a shabbaton with 3,000 other Jewish teens) and the other group you witnessed in their norm, their regular day to day lives. Now go… Read more »

I don't think so
Reply to  Norm or not
February 26, 2024 12:58 pm

The excitement you’ll see bochurim have on a shabbos tzuzamen or camp is not from yiddishkeit. It’s from being a counselor (whatever that provides on a psychological level)

ppl plz use your brains
February 26, 2024 5:52 am

when we go on a trip we are also excited

Great conversation!
February 26, 2024 6:07 am

I was thinking same thing and had the idea to bring some of these cteens to come into the school’s and speak about their lives and their experiences coming closer to Judaism. This may help our kids to have a glimpse into a perspective of someone raised in for example a public school and what that really means. I think this would be a win/ win if monitored properly and teens from both sides could benefit.

I survived the gehinom of public school
Reply to  Great conversation!
February 26, 2024 11:45 am

Here’s a little slice of what the gehinom was like. No one ever told me that God was real. No one ever taught me the Torah. No one ever told me that this reality isn’t the only world or reality. I had to search for it and find it all myself. I cannot fathom why anyone would be raised with God and the Torah and forsake it for this disgusting, repulsive world. I think it’s crazy that someone wouldn’t Want God to be real. How someone could want this reality and world to be the only world. How someone could… Read more »

Go for it!
Reply to  I survived the gehinom of public school
February 27, 2024 2:03 am

Maybe start something in your own city for Jewish kids in public schools. Everyone is a shliach in that sense

Inherent worth
February 26, 2024 6:30 am

These kids are being treated to a wonderful time and a celebration of Jewishness just by the fact that they are Jewish. We can treat our youth the same way. Treat them well and give them a good time. Just because they are Jewish. Don’t make them learn a masechta Baal Peh in order to go on a trip. Show them their inherent value, not based on any external factor.

February 26, 2024 6:35 am

Comparing apples and oranges bc they are fruit is simply unfair. CTeeners are on a trip as a group away from home for a weekend coming from doing the Hokey Pokey in time square – that’s exciting! Bochurim whether local or even boarders are not on a weekend getaway but rather on a year(s) journey in …. Let’s say it together …. “School” You know I was thinking why are people on their way to the Bahamas for 3 days so so happy. It’s surprising they are on such a high. While everyone else on their way downtown uptown or… Read more »

February 26, 2024 6:37 am

I am amazed at your ability to write so eloquently and that you write your full name, makes this article inspiring and can be taken to the heart. I feel and relate to everything you have written, which is why I am fortunate to realize that my young children are more important than someone else’s children, (frum or not frum). Which is why, I put more emphasis on them and try to embue them with this excitement and pride for being Jewish. Thank you to you for writing such an important and eye opening article, hope it is seen by… Read more »

Reply to  Yossel
February 26, 2024 12:43 pm

Nice, warm comment. You could see someone actually making a conscious effort to make life and yiddishkeit real for their kids. Not just their way

It’s not about chasidis
February 26, 2024 6:39 am

These kids aren’t having a great time because they’re excited about chassidis. They are having the trip of a lifetime flying to New York with their friends and enjoying a weekend together with 3000 other teens their age who wouldn’t be fired up. The Chabad system is boring go to school and learn 12 hours a day in front of a book from the time your a teen and never would have a trip this fun let alone subsidized. Your better off going to the chabad house then going to the chabad school if your a teen who wants to… Read more »

I don't think that's necessarily so
Reply to  It’s not about chasidis
February 26, 2024 12:41 pm

It’s also full of Jewish pride and a fire for yiddishkeit

February 26, 2024 7:09 am

And one more thing. The boy girl energy that CTeen NCSY or even your local CGI produces can’t be compared to ummm yes Yeshiva life. Having teens running around going from concert to concert with guys and gals – is energizing fun and thrilling. Whereas the halls of a library are slightly less exciting – don’t need an article to point that out.

Small D Yoel
February 26, 2024 7:52 am

you can’t compare a daily life to a weekend away.

Robiticaly frum
February 26, 2024 8:31 am

Hot take: It seems to me that a lot of people…especially frum teenagers/bochurim and girls are systematically frum. In other words they are frum not because they are using their own brains and coming to own their Yiddishkeit. Rather its because they just so happen to be in a frum environment. I think if people were more consciously frum ( being aware the whys and reasons of the things a frum person does) you would have a lot more excitement. Which is why I think kids born on shlichus are better off in the sense that they understand very well… Read more »

Reply to  Robiticaly frum
February 26, 2024 1:13 pm

This is very valid and deep. If only people were conscious

Very nice
February 26, 2024 8:33 am

Whats the plan of action?? It looks like this just lays out the problem.

Well written
February 26, 2024 8:46 am

Imagine we taught Chasidus in Yeshiva the same way they teach it in Chabad houses? It would be meaningful, relevant, and inspiring, even to the very average Bochurim. The fact that there are some Bochurim who don’t feel that way is baffling. It’s like a child who doesn’t like ice cream. How can you mess up ice cream? What did you do to it? Did you pour pickle juice on it? Chasidus is so enjoyable and meaningful – unless you are very talented at presenting it meaninglessly. #Victims of the system.

A little otd
February 26, 2024 9:19 am

As someone who grew up in the chabad yeshiva system, this was exactly my issue and why I ended up finding a positive and energetic experience elsewhere while still retaining my jewish identity and observance of mitzvos. To be clear, I do not think that this is something that is an issue with ALL yeshiva bochurim. However, there is a solid 30-40 percent of bochurim in yeshiva that the system does not account for. As one of these people, the knas system, seder sichos, Moshiach shiur, and other “chassidish extra curriculars” did not fill the void that we were searching… Read more »

February 26, 2024 9:57 am

I’m sorry but this article is rubbish. The bochurim these days are amazing, they are energized in ways the older generation could only envy. I am not a bochur, but my son is. He’s into learning, mivtzoim etc. The author writes how he came into zal on. FRIDAY, BETWEEM SEDARIM, and there were some guys learning and others not. A. Friday is the hardest day, especially after a farbrengen B. He chose to focus on the guys not learning between Seder, as opposed to the fact that there are bochurim learning between Seder on a Friday. You see what you… Read more »

Reply to  Rubbish
February 26, 2024 11:17 am

I’m sure he’s speaking about more than just one Friday. And it’s not rubbish, it’s his experience! Your comment is rubbish

Reply to  Rubbish
February 26, 2024 1:16 pm

The only rubbish I see is calling someone’s hard work rubbish. And then you say you’re not even a bochur. A s a bochur, I fully agree with him. If you’re son is doing well, good for him and I hope it’s real and lasting, and he’s truly a happy person. Not just part of the do the actions system

check it out
February 26, 2024 10:26 am


Wrong premise
February 26, 2024 10:34 am

The premise of this article is completely off base. There is a mitzvah for every Jewish Man to learn Torah all day every day and if for a technical reason like earning a living you can’t learn all day you are too learn for a set time in the morning and evening. Therefore we go to yeshiva is to get the tools and to be able to fulfill this mitzvah for the rest of our lives. Yes there is a need for outlets things like cteens and hafotzah can be ones but if the yeshiva is functioning correctly the greatest… Read more »

Sounds good but no
Reply to  Wrong premise
February 26, 2024 12:33 pm

You’re purpose isn’t to be a robot

Not a shlog up
Reply to  Wrong premise
February 26, 2024 4:54 pm

What’s written here isn’t suggesting that the bochrim shouldn’t be in yeshiva, rather that while they’re in yeshiva they should at least have the fire that the c teens have

Highlight reel
February 26, 2024 11:18 am

You are watching their highlight reel and comparing it with your behind the scenes. If people behaved the way the teens (and shluchim) behave at a shabbaton- all life long -they would be diagnosed. You watched a high and assume it’s an always. No high should be an always, just as no low should be an always… If you are missing some spice in your yeshiva and learning – shake things up! Open new books, seek out new teachers and friends! But don’t assume what you see for 48 hours is actual life.

It's the whole approach
Reply to  Highlight reel
February 26, 2024 4:23 pm

It’s not just running around it’s a feeling of life and excitement that they have that is channeled towards Torah and mitzvos, let’s get bochrim excited about life

February 26, 2024 11:36 am

just saying that birthright is NOT doing only boys trips anymore… they say on their site only mixed…help me if you know differently

They do.
Reply to  birthrite
February 26, 2024 8:55 pm

Mayanot birthright and OU have a boys only trip.

February 26, 2024 3:31 pm

People that are not in yeshiva are more “taken care of” in everything they do, in the hopes that one day they will go to yeshiva
LIKE when people spend more time amd excitement with younger kids to teach them and see everything the do in contraste with older kid.

I’ll not be getting into what happens with this youth people once they are convinced to stay in a yeshiva etc, a whole new topic for that

February 26, 2024 4:32 pm

Well said. The point you make is very clear. The question now is “How?” When something becomes routine, the objective for renewal becomes more challenging.

Very well written
February 26, 2024 4:39 pm

There’s truth to your point and I very much understand it, and also, it’s not a fair comparison – as many comments point out.
I totally agree with your point that you brought out by contrasting the 2 moments. The goal of Yeshiva should be to produce Bochurim who are on fire about Yiddishkeit both inside and outside

Got to be something to do
February 26, 2024 4:45 pm

I’m a girl out of high school and I was just talking about this litterally yesterday. Why did I need to wait to come to seminary to see the beuatiful parts of chassidishkeit and yiddishkiet? High schools in general I feel don’t make yiddishkiet something enticing or exciting or beuatiful. It’s the same programs with the same food evry time with the same video. Chassidus is tought as a class making it a burden that you need to be tested on. Not something that is what your life is based on. I know its school and school is school, but… Read more »

ShKoyach heishke
February 26, 2024 5:03 pm

Beautifully written
Though I would add that a tomim is defined at times as someone with erenskeit (- seriousness) its important to distinguish between the feeling of a “newcomer” teen that is full of adrenaline especially as the c teem program is constantly engaging the teens with incentives and having good time.., and the bochur in yeshiva as he is found in a scholar setting within the walls of yeshiva, similar maybe to the difference in attention the Rebbe would give these two types of ppl
Thank you for this article

Haha. What lovely misdirection
February 26, 2024 5:24 pm

This is so funny, I’m imagining the writer meant it as a joke. And yet many took it, hook, line and sinker. Besides the obvious “grass is always greener on the other side,” have you seen these teens during class session in their hometown? Have you seen the bochurim described now as sad, hollow, etc on simchas torah, or an entire summer in a camp for that matter? The CH weekend for CTeen is a NY party weekend for them. Comparing them to local students mid semester in their school, is, well, a joke, which I think is post was.… Read more »

Reply to  Haha. What lovely misdirection
February 27, 2024 2:12 am

I think the point is that Yiddishkeit for Cteens is something that’s positive and brings joy to their life. Whole not necessarily so by (some) bochurim.

Either way, you don’t have to call someone’s hard work a joke because you don’t fully agree with it. (Although at the end it seemed you did get the point 🤔)

Very true
Reply to  Haha. What lovely misdirection
February 27, 2024 5:03 pm

TBH i feel u, sometimes looking at their life, kinda makes u feel like we’re doing something wrong out here. Idk what it is, but Lubavitch has to move on and start changing and adapting, not just living in the 1970s.

Pinchos Woolstone
February 26, 2024 6:50 pm

We must all stay extremely positive, especially at this time when the Jewish Nation is going through a particularly trying time both in Eretz Yisroel and throughout our Dispersion.
Let every Lubavitcher remember that we are blessed to possess the blueprint of action set out for us by our Rebbeim from the time of the Baal Shem Tov until the Rebbe may his merit protect us.
We will surely see G-d send His Moshiach to redeem the world.
טיירע בריידער און שוועסטער לאמיר זיך האלטען צוזאמען

Hasmada is quiet....but still passionate
February 26, 2024 8:14 pm

The CTeens excitement is tinged with Adventure and Newness. Chitzonius a lil bit. But our guys? Our guys are a real inspiration. Very intelligent (Torah study tends to increase IQ). They’re the power-houses of Chabad, diligent, responsible, active learners. They are keeping a Seder that’s very demanding. As Pininum, their chayus is quieter than the cteens, but it is quite strong and deeply rooted(The highlight of my week is learning with my grandson on Thursday night.) Hasmada is quiet, but still passionate.

im sorry
February 27, 2024 9:05 am

I’m sorry that your what we call in Tanya a מרה שחורה but I had a great time in yeshiva i hope that you can get off your phone and make some friends while you enjoy the last year in yeshiva (also send regards to r’ avrohom gerlitzki – he’s a fun happy guy) also don’t forget but as Chabad chassidim we don’t believe in just dancing, but חב”ד מאנט פנימיות so yeh our happiness is through עבודה not just running around and faking happiness (which actually can (over time) turn a bochur off to think the whole thing is… Read more »

So true
Reply to  im sorry
February 27, 2024 8:19 pm

Wow this is spot on if you wanna have a fun time in yeshiva you can absolutely have a great time (it always looks greener on the other side)!

Wrong use of the term
February 27, 2024 12:13 pm

If understood correctly the point of your article you are trying to say that we should take the positive points that we use for our “outreach” and use it for our own. דיו לבא מן הדין sounds more like you are limiting our “outreach”.
(Though I do agree with your point that there is lacking chayus in our system)

bigger problems
February 27, 2024 2:08 pm

I would like to redirect the conversation to things that are a bigger priority, larger problems, and more urgent.

  1. How are we going to connect all singles with their correct other half
  2. how are we going to get all the needy jews enough food, shelter, and other basic necessities
  3. how are we going to get all the tinok shinoshba jews out of public school
  4. how are we going to help the jews in Israel
  5. how are we going to stop intermarriage between tinok shinoshba jews and goyim

to continue the new discussions, feel free to comment below.

February 28, 2024 4:32 pm

the mussar movement and litvish probably wouldn’t even see that much wrong with them not being super joyful all the time. It’s easier to remain balanced by not trying to be super far to the right all the time instead of remaining at center. I’d rather be at the center most of the time, than be mostly far right and then have it swing far left, back and forth. If we’re going to talk about madregas, why don’t we also move up the madrega ladder in all areas of middos and other things?