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When Rabbi Yoel Kahn realized that his guest had crossed the International Date Line during the Omer and Shavuos was a day earlier for him, he asked the Rebbe what to do. Video

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June 6, 2016 4:06 am

The man was from Eretz Yisroel as R. Yoel mentions so for him it was a 1 day Yom Tov.
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why according to the Rebbe was Sunday not the SECOND day shavuos for this person who crossed the date line?
(6/5/2016 2:17:34 PM)”

halachos
June 5, 2016 11:31 pm

date line crossing was clearly shunned by the Rebbe in many letters etc. it should be avoided at all costs (convenience and cheaper tickets are not a sufficient excuse, don’t travel if you can’t afford a round the world ticket) but all the halachos of what to do are unclear and the Rebbe steered away from giving the details. I have heard so many different opinions about how davening works, if you should make a minyan if you have ten people that crossed, do you say zman matan toroseinu on the day that is shavuos for both of you or… Read more »

What about vice versa
June 5, 2016 11:30 pm

So I know some people who crossed the dateline westwards, thus gaining losing a day. Their Shavuos will be Monday-Tuesday. Seemingly they shouldn’t say zman Matan toiroseinu on their second day, but what about their first day, which is our second, on zayin Sivan?

To # 4
June 5, 2016 9:49 pm

Yes thats right: The guy should have davened the Shavuos Sh’mone Esrei on Shaboss yet not say the words “Z’man Matisanu”

Very interesting.
June 5, 2016 9:40 pm

Really enjoyed this back and forth with reb yoel and our great Rebbe, amazing!

Reb yoel - a true chosid
June 5, 2016 9:37 pm

I recall a lubavitcher rosh yeshiva once expressed himself as to why the oibershter blessed reb fulleh Kahn with such a gifted son? He explained being that reb fulleh was a true chosid he wouldn’t taint this extraordinary gift.

Why I say this? Reb yoel had a serious question that the Rebbe sensed and therefore explained it at the farbrengen, reb yoel did not question the rebbe’s answer of 2 levels in Matan Torah although many would have questioned it, I am also sure reb yoel has a very good explanation which he did not mention here.

to 1
June 5, 2016 8:04 pm

the guy was from Israel and only keeping 1 day.

Need clarity
June 5, 2016 6:46 pm

The guy should have davened the Shavuos Sh’mone Esrei on Shaboss yet not say the words “Z’man Matisanu”?

question
June 5, 2016 2:17 pm

why according to the Rebbe was Sunday not the SECOND day shavuos for this person who crossed the date line?

Kudos to jem
June 5, 2016 2:13 pm

Kudos to Jem for this masterpiece!

Please Clarify
June 5, 2016 12:43 pm

If vov sivan is to be celebrated wherever a person is,as the day of the Matan Torah, then how was that motzoei shabbos a “regular” day for his guest?or is it celebrated without a yom tov status? In any case wouldn’t it have been his second day of yom tov? Someone please clarify.

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