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Couple Kicked Off Flight for Refusing to Place Tallis Bag on Floor

An Orthodox Jewish couple was kicked off an American Airlines flight because they refused to place a Tefillin and Talis bag on the floor of the plane. Full Story

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Something doesn't fly
December 5, 2021 10:33 am

Were they possibly allowed by the airline to hold the bag on their lap?

Not allowed for takeoff
Reply to  Something doesn't fly
December 5, 2021 12:26 pm

Or landing

david
December 5, 2021 10:55 am

its,dinns,,de,malchuta?

Huh
Reply to  david
December 5, 2021 1:40 pm

How is American Airlines’ refusal to allow the tefillin bag in the overhead bin “dina d’malchusa”? It’s “dina d’American Airlines”!

There is no such halacha
Reply to  david
December 5, 2021 11:39 pm

That one must obey the government’s law. It is a huge misconception and myth. “Din” does not mean “law”, it means “judgment”; it refers only to the determination of who owns any given piece of property. Shmuel says that the kingdom’s laws for property ownership are valid, even if they contradict Choshen Mishpot. If the government says my house belongs to me, it does, and if it says it belongs to you then it does, and a beis din should rule that way. That is all. It has nothing to do with what we should do or not do.

Classic
December 5, 2021 11:12 am

Normally, I don’t have opinions on these matters until we hear both sides—which hasn’t happened yet. But given the frequency of these types of stories, I’ll take the liberty to say that the Jewish couple is probably omitting details, and they’re probably wrong. That’s it

Not quite classic
Reply to  Classic
December 5, 2021 10:42 pm

First of all, I didn’t understand how your comment works, so let me paraphrase and see if I get it right: “I normally wouldn’t condemn someone before hearing his side of the story, but here I will condemn this elderly couple although…” – although what? Although you didn’t hear their side of the story? Their side is the only side you heard, and you just don’t like/believe it. Secondly, I would possibly agree with you, were this couple in their 20s or 30s, but given the fact that they are in their 70s(!), I find it hard to imagine them… Read more »

Agree
Reply to  Not quite classic
December 7, 2021 9:10 pm

Totally agree..airlines let people hold entire babies in their laps..or they did until recently..and I don’t think even after everyone’s luggage was put up that an 8in bag would surely fit in the bin somewhere.

American has poor customer service
December 5, 2021 12:06 pm

Delta and United have better service.

Overhead bin?
December 5, 2021 12:22 pm

Why did the FA take it out of the overhead bin? The article implies they had put the bag up there so why couldn’t it be left there?

For larger roll on bags
Reply to  Overhead bin?
December 5, 2021 1:40 pm

They ask that smaller bags be put on the floor to make room for the roll on bags which are plenty these days because they charge for bags.

anyisemite
December 5, 2021 12:31 pm

this is what I call true jew hatred!!!!!!!!!!!
is it even legal?!
hope that flight attendant is punished severely!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No Tefillin?
December 5, 2021 12:34 pm

Then there’s no problem with putting it on the floor—even WITH Tefillin, if they’re double-wrapped it’s not an issue. Not that I agree with the way AA treated this couple, but it sounds like they could have complied

5th book of shulchan aruch
Reply to  No Tefillin?
December 5, 2021 1:47 pm

In the 5th book it says that people who are not proficient in the other 4 books (like air hostess) are to treat religious items with respect

Make A Shiur
Reply to  No Tefillin?
December 5, 2021 4:20 pm

Give a shiur going through all the possibilities and how to remedy if in that situation.

“Traveler Tips” or something.

For example, what to do when you need to use the restroom in an airport but nobody is able to hold your tefillin bag…. flight attendant says put your bag on the floor … you’re in the middle of davening and flight attendant says you must put away your tefillin immediately… etc.

Permissable
Reply to  No Tefillin?
December 5, 2021 4:43 pm

Yes it is allowed if double wrapped. This happens all the time on planes. Nu nu. People should learn shulchan oruch.

Federal?
December 5, 2021 12:39 pm

This should be a Federal Civil Rights violation lawsuit. HISPANIC JEWS singled out.

Why was the flight attendant singling out their item?

Why was the religious explanation rejected?

Were any other passengers forced to remove items from overhead storage?

What kind of training is conducted by the airline?

So many questions and hopefully some employees will be taken to task and made an example of.

Settelment
December 5, 2021 1:30 pm

This will be settled out of court.

Finally!
December 5, 2021 2:33 pm

Finally someone taking a stand against these Airlines.

The degeneration of society
December 5, 2021 3:53 pm

And that includes a decline in quality of customer service and decency in general.. and the targeting of those who represent decency and value of human life and dignity. Look back at any time in history: when society degenerates, antisemitism rises. American Airlines has been going downhill for a while now.

Overhead Bin
December 5, 2021 3:57 pm

If this was a normal airline they would simply ask them (in a courteous manner) to put it in the overhead compartment. The tallis bag is exactly like a pillow or blanket, which I know from experience is NOT a problem- unless the employees DECIDED to make it a problem in this case. Hope the couple found a better airline.

It WAS in the overhead compartment!
Reply to  Overhead Bin
December 5, 2021 11:41 pm

Did you not read the post before commenting?! The stewardess took it OUT of the overhead bin and ordered them to put it on the floor.

Make A Shiur
December 5, 2021 4:21 pm

Good topic for a shiur going through all the possibilities and how to remedy if in that situation.

“Traveler Tips” or something.

For example, what to do when you need to use the restroom in an airport but nobody is able to hold your tefillin bag…. flight attendant says put your bag on the floor … you’re in the middle of davening and flight attendant says you must put away your tefillin immediately… etc.

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Simple case of anti Semitism
December 8, 2021 1:03 am

They single out frum Jews!
I once traveled business class and for whatever reason they made me give them my purse to put overhead because it didn’t belong on the floor nor on my lap..so how crazy and opposite is this….

another senior traveler
December 12, 2021 12:02 pm

Almost identical to my experience. Going from Florida to Isip, I think in Southwest, the flight attendant told me not to put my tfillin bag in the overhead right when I boarded. after I saw the other passengers using the overhead, I put mine in too. Shortly after , the flight attendant angrily pulled it out and thrusted it onto my lap. She later passed by and ordered me to put it on the floor. Even the goyim around me were shocked. I said that this is holy material and I will not put it on the floor. The plane… Read more »

Well done.
Reply to  another senior traveler
December 13, 2021 2:18 pm

Thank you for standing up for kedusha and making a Kiddush H-sh-m.

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