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Coronavirus Update #47: Dramatic COVID Increase in Crown Heights

Coronavirus update for the Crown Heights community from The Gedaliah Society and Dr. Eli Rosen: Dramatic and worrisome increase in new cases of COVID in our community. Full Story

Mr. Shimon Peretz (Paul) Stark, 85, OBM

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I wish people would wear their masks
December 21, 2020 11:44 pm

I feel like I’m talking in the wind, but please please wear a mask both indoors and outdoors, please save lives.

People went to vacations and never self quarantine
Reply to  I wish people would wear their masks
December 22, 2020 12:25 am

Over Chanuka we had tons of guests in CH too and zero social distances

Anonymous
Reply to  People went to vacations and never self quarantine
December 22, 2020 11:17 am

Yup I’m done with social isolation. if I am sick I’ll stay home. If I want to attend a party I’ll take quercetin and zinc for a couple days after. I wash my hands with soap as needed. And I absolutely will not lower my oxygen levels by wearing a useless mask for a ‘just in case I’m sick but don’t know about it’ nonsense. Oh and I have been doing this for months and have yet to catch covid. I also reached out to my black neighbors who are living in absolute fear of this virus that they can… Read more »

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This is terrible
Reply to  Anonymous
December 22, 2020 11:53 am

“I have been doing this for months and have yet to catch covid.” I wonder how many people you’ve given Covid to. Your reasoning is so selfish, it’s hard to process.

Anonymous
Reply to  This is terrible
December 22, 2020 2:35 pm

Zero people. Read what I wrote. I never caught it.

Missing the point
Reply to  Anonymous
December 23, 2020 8:44 am

The mask is to protect others. How many people have you infected unknowingly by not wearing a mask?

Good for you
Reply to  Anonymous
December 22, 2020 3:55 pm

It’s a virus. One has to be cautious and boost their immune system. If one gets it, stay home, stay healhy. As to the commenter who writes you are selfish… you couldn’t have given it to anyone if you didn’t have it. Moreover, surely THEY were wearing a mask and keeping their distance….

as long as you don't come anywhere near me
Reply to  Anonymous
December 22, 2020 4:46 pm

Fine, do your thing. Some people like me are older and have health issues. Do whatever you want, but do NOT come anywhere near me, and do NOT come near any of my many friends in CH who are also vulnerable.

outdoors can be dangerous for people with glasses
Reply to  I wish people would wear their masks
December 22, 2020 9:39 am

my glasses got fogged up so badly i couldnt even see a foot in front of me. for older people, especially with snow and ice, this can be highly dangerous

It's a struggle
Reply to  outdoors can be dangerous for people with glasses
December 22, 2020 10:34 am

My glasses get fogged up too, but I think saving a life might make the hardship worth it.

Anonymous
Reply to  It's a struggle
December 22, 2020 11:35 am

You’re not saving a life. Do you have covid? How can you give someone covid if you don’t have it? And if you do have it, then what are you doing out and about? This whole mask thing makes no sense.

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Where have you been?
Reply to  Anonymous
December 22, 2020 12:17 pm

You can be carrying the virus without knowing it.

You can be asymptomatic.

Wear. The. Mask.

Why is this so hard for some people to do?!

Anonymous
Reply to  Where have you been?
December 22, 2020 2:39 pm

There has not been one proven case of transmission by an asymptomatic person yet. Not one. A study on a million Chinese people with contact tracing just proved it. It’s all very remote hypothetical fear mongering to begin with (mild symptoms yes but not asymptomatic)

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China!
Reply to  Anonymous
December 22, 2020 8:10 pm

And now you suddenly believe China after they have been soo truthful. Stop picking and choosing and go out of your comfort to save lives. In Victoria people are doing that and its 55 days without one case!

Anonymous
Reply to  Where have you been?
December 22, 2020 3:28 pm

Not sure why you think they owe any explanation to you about what they choose to do. I hear your frustration. You only have control over yourself and what you choose to do, not others. You are not them. Think past relying on others to wear a mask and distancing and come up with your own plan b in conjunction with your family dr on how to best protect yourself and your family. Good luck

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Give up on humanity?
Reply to  Anonymous
December 23, 2020 9:25 am

Am I asking too much of humankind? Have we all really become so self centered that we can’t look out for and care for one another? Can I no longer rely on others to protect a human life?

Anonymous
Reply to  Give up on humanity?
December 23, 2020 2:58 pm

I ask that you give up on controlling humankind. The issue with labeling someone else as self centered is that you’re not G-d and therefore you are not privy to the absolute truth. You can very well have been mislead to believe in a lie by people you trust and therefore can’t accept a difference in perspective. Add in a sense of urgent danger and then it becomes downright impossible to consider another opposing view. You’re belief that wearing a mask protects others from a virus is far from established medical science as hard as that is for you to… Read more »

Marazal
Reply to  Where have you been?
December 22, 2020 5:04 pm

The biggest bluff in history, being disproven in study after study. Theres no such thing as asymptomatic spread.

fauci
Reply to  Where have you been?
December 24, 2020 10:52 pm

fauci wrote himself that pandemics occur because of mask wearing. thats what kills people , mask wearing. you can go read his work on that

Dr Fauci misquote
Reply to  fauci
December 27, 2020 2:47 am

Dr Fauci never said this. This is “fake news”. He has begged the American public from the beginning to wear masks. Many deaths could have been prevented had people listened to him.

Surgery nurse tip
Reply to  It's a struggle
December 22, 2020 4:18 pm

Put a bandaid on top of mask by bridge of nose- that should help fogging

Anonymous
Reply to  Surgery nurse tip
December 23, 2020 6:40 pm

Thank you for the tip!
May we all be able to take off our masks very soon!

Marazal
Reply to  It's a struggle
December 22, 2020 5:07 pm

What a demagogue type of scare static. Maybe YOU shouldn’t leave your house at all , because MAYBE you’ll save a life! Even with a mask which only lessens the chance, not eliminates it (if it works at all).

Lives Matter!
Reply to  Marazal
December 22, 2020 8:17 pm

Even if there is a .1 percent chance of saving a life why not bother a little if there is a chance to save lives.
You need to start worrying about others and stop being selfish!!!!!

How many people died from fogged glasses?
Reply to  outdoors can be dangerous for people with glasses
December 22, 2020 10:57 am

…and how many died from Covid?

Anonymous
Reply to  I wish people would wear their masks
December 22, 2020 10:55 am

Um, The places where there is strict mask wearing are also seeing just as much of an increase in cases. You can wear a mask if you wish but don’t think for a second that it will help you with this virus. It does not, will not and never did protect anyone from a virus. It’s simply medical voodoo.

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Where?
Reply to  Anonymous
December 22, 2020 11:31 am

There is nowhere in America that’s strict on mask wearing (at least nowhere as strict as necessary to ensure full compliance).

Countries that have strong mask wearing are indeed seeing much smaller spikes, and those spikes are much shorter lived as regulations get tighter as soon as the first signs of a spike are seen.

Anonymous
Reply to  Where?
December 22, 2020 2:42 pm

Well if you lock every person up forever in their own plastic cage then you will have zero transmission too. Except that people are not lab rats and don’t consent.

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Upper West Side
Reply to  Where?
December 22, 2020 4:49 pm

Everybody here is social distancing and 100% wearing masks, and being super careful. The infection rate in Crown Heights is 8 (Eight) times what it is here. There definitely is a correlation between our behavior and the coronavirus spikes.

Like Victoria
Reply to  Where?
December 22, 2020 8:20 pm

Enforced mask wearing and 55 caseless days

You are wrong
Reply to  Anonymous
December 22, 2020 2:12 pm

Places where masks are common are seeing fewer cases of coronavirus. And conversely for places where locals are less likely to be masked. Like Crown Heights and Staten Island.

Just a matter of time
Reply to  You are wrong
December 22, 2020 11:26 pm

If they don’t have herd immunity they will end up getting it later anyways.

Herd immunity doesn't exist
Reply to  Just a matter of time
December 23, 2020 9:27 am

Crown Heights is setting themselves up for a second wave. The lack of education in this community continues to shock me.

masks
Reply to  I wish people would wear their masks
December 24, 2020 10:51 pm

you forgot to mention when your taking a shower and when your eating you must wear a mask. maybe everyone should head to a island and totally distance themselves from everyone( dont forget your mask) dont eat. we should all stop living to we starve to death, have no money to pay your bills. so far there are more deaths from suicide than from this scam dem virus ( and thats according to the cdc which all you liberals learn from instead of the Torah and forgot that Hashem runs the world . what happen to emuna (faith) and bitachon(… Read more »

It is called Chanukah!!
December 22, 2020 12:20 am

We have learned nothing from the first wave 🙁

Like Purim, Chanukah has very high family and social gatherings. It is as an 8-day superspreader.

Need to stop the large social gatherings immediately to prevent exponential spread. Unfortunately, governor Cuomo will probably act sooner then our community will.

#whereisCHleadership?

Learned
Reply to  It is called Chanukah!!
December 22, 2020 12:47 am

Actually what we’ve learned is that while it’s wise to try and minimize spread by following social distancing protocols, this virus will make its way around the globe. Countries and towns and cities and states that were first proclaimed as successful, eventually got bitten just like everywhere else. Don’t be stupid and not take precautions, and don’t be stupid to think you can completely avoid it – unless you live like a hermit until there’s an antidote for it.

Please don't be stupid
Reply to  Learned
December 22, 2020 10:27 am

When you think that you’re smarter and more informed than the huge majority of doctors – both frum and not – then you are the one who exhibits profound stupidity! Normally, it’s just laughable and pathetic, but your words are also dangerous to others.

The surge is mostly in maskless places...
Reply to  Learned
December 22, 2020 10:59 am

…like Crown Heights and Staten Island. Fact.

Anonymous
Reply to  The surge is mostly in maskless places...
December 22, 2020 3:34 pm

No it’s not. where do you get your info? Please share. I checked the numbers on the city’s website

Abba
Reply to  Anonymous
December 22, 2020 10:56 pm

Boro park and Flatbush are much higher then crown heights

No you did not
Reply to  Anonymous
December 23, 2020 12:10 am

I did. Frum communities, and other neighborhoods where masks are not common are far more affected.Fact.

It’s very hard to lead people who won’t follow
Reply to  It is called Chanukah!!
December 22, 2020 1:02 am

We are still losing precious community members but everyone here thinks they know better than the doctors ….

Berel
Reply to  It is called Chanukah!!
December 22, 2020 10:21 am

“Cuomo will probably act sooner then our community will” Yep, what you’ve discovered is that we are the hardest ones to push into the cage and the most aggressive to get out. We’re just not very good at being in jail. That doesn’t mean that there isn’t a time to be in lockdown but it does mean that we won’t do it until it is absolutely necessary. And we will err on the side of living as humans. Fortunately, the Gedalia Society has earned a lot of credibility with its heretofore measured approach and transparency with the community. Right now… Read more »

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The political double standard for our community.
Reply to  Berel
December 22, 2020 11:01 am

…does not make us immune to the virus and does not make masks wrong. Yes, many of our families had KGB stories. But it’s not about trust of authority. It’s about saving lives!

Berel
Reply to  The political double standard for our community.
December 22, 2020 11:41 am

We are supposed to listen to legitimate authority in issues related to health.

Fortunately, the Gedalia Society has stepped up and earned respect with its moderation, its preference for freedom over slavery and its transparency with the community.

Guess what? The HAIRS ON FIRE HAIRS ON FIRE DOOM DOOM DOOM is no more in line with legitimate authority as is the WHAT ME WORRY approach.

Gedalia Society says over 50 and not previously infected stay at home and let’s see how this plays out.

Why don’t we just … do that.

The gedalia society has given up
Reply to  Berel
December 22, 2020 11:17 pm

And so have i. The whole summer they were begging people to wear masks and no one listened. So they switched to warning those at risk to be super careful and lock themselves up at home, to make up for the recklessness of the young invincibles. Glad you finally decided to listen to them. If you asked them today “should i wear a mask?” You might be surprised what they answer.

nyc.gov website about coronavirus
December 22, 2020 12:45 am

According to the NYC.gov website about coronavirus, there is only 5% infection rate in CH (11213) and over 12% in Boro Park and many other frum neighborhoods. I thought we were doing reasonably well. How many is exponential growth? Please give us some details?

that number means nothing
Reply to  nyc.gov website about coronavirus
December 22, 2020 9:40 am

its just the number of positive tests vs total tests. no connection with how many people in the area actually have it. if one person gets tested and tests postive thats 100%. if 100 people get tested and one has it thats 1%

Berel
Reply to  nyc.gov website about coronavirus
December 22, 2020 10:30 am

“How many is exponential growth?” LOL a lot more than what we are seeing B”H. It’s not even clear what infection rates even mean. If you don’t test at all, your infection rate is zero and if you only test clearly ill people than your infection rate can be near 100%. The Gedalia society has the best read on this because they are tied closely with haztola and have a clear picture on the actual trends. The Gedalia Society is recommending over 50 and not previously infected to stay at home. People in this thread are issuing far more draconian… Read more »

...to protect the citizens!
Reply to  Berel
December 22, 2020 11:08 am

Thank you Gedaliah Society.

Where I live the rate is way less than 1%.
Reply to  nyc.gov website about coronavirus
December 22, 2020 11:07 am

I live in a different borough. The Covid rate here is way less than 1% (despite frequent testing out of caution). Because everyone wears masks. My child, all day in school. And the entire time in shul since day one. And most here don’t have antibodies. That is a very high rate in Crown Heights considering so many have antibodies. It would be much higher if not for that. And it would be much lower if people wore masks.

Correct
Reply to  Where I live the rate is way less than 1%.
December 22, 2020 11:55 am

I wish your borough could bring some common sense and kindness to crown heights, we’re lacking it here.

Anonymous
Reply to  nyc.gov website about coronavirus
December 22, 2020 11:52 am

11213: 93 cases
11225: 59 cases

Still less cases currently than a month and a half ago in each zip.

When reporting it as percentages keep in mind that it is NOT based on population total but rather on tested total. So if two people get tested and only one is positive than you get a 50% positivity rate. The actual ratio to population would be something like 0.000000001 or less. Not enough to scare everybody

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This is because not many CHers are getting tested
Reply to  Anonymous
December 23, 2020 12:13 am

Many Crown Heightsers were cautioned to not get tested, even after exposure and experiencing symptoms (for shame!). Way more people have the virus than is let on.

is this because of that new coronavirus mutation
December 22, 2020 12:53 am

Is this because of that new coronavirus mutation that is supposed to be 70% more contagious? They have it in England, and they are saying it is probably already here in the US too.

Berel
Reply to  is this because of that new coronavirus mutation
December 22, 2020 10:32 am

Read the report. Those being infected are largely those that hadn’t previously been.

If this is that new whatever, then that would be good news as it would seem that immunity to the old works for the new. Though that is MY sevora.

CHT
December 22, 2020 12:54 am

Why? Are you kidding me? I was in Judaica World hey teives, 1 in a hundred with mask. If there are few cases in crown heights, one was certainly in Judaica. I cannot believe we are such a stupid crowd, so ashamed of ourselves.

Reinfection
December 22, 2020 12:57 am

Reinfection is real,but they want you to take the vaccine so they are hiding the fact that there’s no real immunity.

Read the Article
Reply to  Reinfection
December 22, 2020 5:22 am

It clearly states that these are infections in those who have not had the virus. Have a nice day.

Berel
Reply to  Reinfection
December 22, 2020 10:35 am

This is complete nonsense and total miss-information. It’s obvious to anyone with a head on his shoulder that there is strong immunity, and the cases of reinfection are a tiny tiny tiny drop in a vast ocean of cases.

The only question is how long you have it.

This is recognized in the medical community. If you were here Pesach time and here in Tishrei and here now, there is simply no way you could you miss this. It’s like a water’s wet thing.

THOSE WHO KNOW MOST KNOW NOTHING...
December 22, 2020 1:54 am

It’s time the “gatherings” with families & Simchas come to a minimum; & with Social Distancing of 6ft minimum between individuals. And of course, not wearing a mask, definitely is the wisest decision!
All the culprits in worldwide in this category need not complain when being diagnosed with the Covid-19 Communicable Disease or the untimely loss of loved ones.
Please stop with your uneducated responses to knowing everything!
PRIMARY PREVENTION IS (SAFER &) BETTER THAN SECONDARY CURE!

Important issue
December 22, 2020 2:56 am

I am not a doctor nor in the medical field at all but Regarding the New Covid 19 Strain from England UK that is being widely reported, it seems very serious, At least from the way its being reported it seems like this is something our community should take very very seriously, And not to be ignored like the typical same fear mongering, anti religious & anti business reporting from the main stream media & unconstitutional targeting & restrictions on religious institutions & businesses by elected officials all over that we hear about daily. At least in my prospective this… Read more »

Thank You Gedaliah Society
December 22, 2020 3:00 am

That you to all those involved with the Gedaliah Society for all that you do for the Yidden in CH.

We have a cure. Why the drama?
December 22, 2020 3:39 am

Why the panic? Ppl who are high risk can take hcq.

Ivermectin works better
Reply to  We have a cure. Why the drama?
December 22, 2020 5:41 am

Dr zelenko got death threats over hydroxychloroquine prescribing so not every doctor will give it. Ivermectin works even better and needs to be prescribed

Deborah Jacobi
Reply to  We have a cure. Why the drama?
December 22, 2020 6:41 am

Also Ivermectin.
Circulate the following to all doctors in the community, no one need even be hospitalized for this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bbz1t7IEug&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR3He7jb5lABQerbOXj5N_3Say69AiYjX-YKngljSrohrC1pbsqpgMB7GzA

Ivermectin
Reply to  We have a cure. Why the drama?
December 22, 2020 9:44 am

My friend just had tremendously good results after taking Ivermectin! Really helped her. Took 1 day to see big improvement. B”H

Thank G0d!!
Reply to  We have a cure. Why the drama?
December 22, 2020 10:33 am

What great news! Please tell all our doctors – the whole frum medical establishment about this! Now we can all go and party!

MRS PERL ARBOR
December 22, 2020 3:56 am

LEADERSHIP?. THAT MAKES ME LAUGH.. PACKED 770 FOR HEI TEVES FARBRENGENS AND ALL OTHER SHULS AND SHTEIBELS WHILE THE WORLD IS ON ITS KNEES WITH NOT JUST COVID BUT A MORE DEADLY MUTANT VARIANT, WITH NO SOCIAL DISTANCING NO MASKS NO SANITISING, AND THEN..OOPS,.HELLO, GOOD MORNING , RISE IN COVID FOLKS, TAKE COVER… STORES ARE PACKED AND THE BLIND LEAD THE BLIND AND NO ONE CARES. WHICH PART OF 325,000 DEAD IN THE USA DOES NO ONE UNDERSTAND!! SORRY THE HORSE HAS BOLTED LONG AGO AND WE NEED TO STIGMATISE THOSE WHO DONT CARE BY REFUSING TO LET THEM IN… Read more »

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Very interesting
Reply to  MRS PERL ARBOR
December 22, 2020 8:53 am

It says clearly only people that didn’t have it got infected. All the people in 770 and at lechaims already had it

It doesn't matter
Reply to  Very interesting
December 22, 2020 12:32 pm

It doesn’t matter if you’ve already had it.

You can:
A. still get it again.
B. still be carrying it and give it to others.

Wear the mask. Wear the mask. Wear the mask.

Some people are being reinfected
Reply to  Very interesting
December 22, 2020 4:54 pm

They said the overwhelming majority are new cases. There are indeed a few cases of real reinfection every month in CH, according to Dr. Rosen.

Lies
Reply to  MRS PERL ARBOR
December 23, 2020 2:07 am

Cdc said only 6-10k people died from the virus.
by the way science has proven that wearin* a mask and social distancing doesn’t help, plus wearing a mask is very dangerous. Faucci himself wrote that all pandemic deaths happened because of wearing masks

Missing the point
Reply to  Lies
December 23, 2020 8:50 am

which is why Dr. Fauci has been advising people to wear masks for months now. Right.

lie
Reply to  Missing the point
December 24, 2020 10:59 pm

they are all in on the scam. that’s why he wrote in 2016 that trump will have a pandemic to deal with in 2019 when he’s guaranteed a reelection. so the dem party can use this scam excuse to steal the election. again all this is documented

ALFRED E NEWMAN
December 22, 2020 4:08 am

NOT TO MENTION ALL THE INSANE PACKED LECHAIMS BEING ALLOWED IN THE COMMUNITY

And Kiddushin
Reply to  ALFRED E NEWMAN
December 22, 2020 7:36 am

And Kiddushin

The maskless simchos have no doubt killed people
Reply to  ALFRED E NEWMAN
December 22, 2020 11:12 am

Stop it! How many people have to die to either stop the gatherings or require that everyone who attends wear a mask?

Anonymous
Reply to  The maskless simchos have no doubt killed people
December 22, 2020 2:47 pm

Sorry with that kind of claim you will need to prove it. Who do you know recently died from covid because they attended a maskless Simcha?

Your hysteria induced panic needs to stop. People are adults and can make their own judgement call without your opinion. Ok?

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My hysteria comes from losing my father to a virus
Reply to  Anonymous
December 23, 2020 12:16 am

…from a simcha. Because he was only exposed there and wasn’t going elsewhere.

And no, not okay. Clearly many people cannot be trusted to make their own judgement.

Lies
Reply to  My hysteria comes from losing my father to a virus
December 23, 2020 2:12 am

I’m sorry for your fathers passing but don’t blame people. 1st of all, he shouldn’t have ever gone to the simcha. But that was his judgment. Only a few actually died from covid and that’s according to cdc (6-10k) .scientifically, Wearing masks doesn’t help and actually is dangerous. Fauci wrote that all pandemics happened from people wearing mask

Stunned
Reply to  Lies
December 23, 2020 9:32 am

Your lack of sensitivity is heartbreaking. To the individual who lost your father, I’m so so sorry.

It was my comment, my father
Reply to  Stunned
December 24, 2020 1:45 am

Thank you for standing up for decency

He did not go to simcha
Reply to  Lies
December 24, 2020 1:44 am

It was brought home to him from someone that went. And you are terribly, dangerously wrong about masks. In places where masks are common, the infection rate is much lower. I don’t know anyone who died from wearing a mask but I know many who died from Covid.

lies
Reply to  He did not go to simcha
December 24, 2020 11:03 pm

than tell that to the specialist, the scientist that wrote that the pandemic is so dangerous because of mask wearing. it actually makes it a pandemic. his words not mine

ALFRED E NEWMAN
Reply to  The maskless simchos have no doubt killed people
December 24, 2020 11:00 pm

daven and trust in Hashem

And that’s why the halls should close
Reply to  ALFRED E NEWMAN
December 22, 2020 12:26 pm

Until the infection rate goes down.

Anonymous
Reply to  And that’s why the halls should close
December 22, 2020 2:51 pm

No I disagree. YOU should stay away from any halls until the infection rate disappears (which will be never). Other people with a higher risk tolerance should be able to go. There are no gunfights there. It’s not pikuach nefesh for them except in your own mind.

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NO LEADERSHIP
December 22, 2020 4:11 am

lockdown the simcha halls, or have a goy stand there at the door letting in 5 at a time to wish mazel tov. It’s not rocket science

Finally some guidance from our leaders.
Reply to  NO LEADERSHIP
December 22, 2020 7:01 am

This is an excellent chance to acknowledge our profound gratitude to the new alliance of anti-racists and respecters of science who are taking over from the callous white populists and so called Christians. Thank you Dr Biden.

"Anti-racists," Sure...
Reply to  Finally some guidance from our leaders.
December 22, 2020 9:26 am

People who see everything through race – who, for example, say that we shouldn’t vaccinate the elderly because a higher percentage of them are white – aren’t “anti-racists.” They’re racists, plain and simple.

As for “Dr.” Biden – that would be the one with an education “degree” for a “thesis” that didn’t know that 3/4 plus 1/4 equals 1. So you’re joking, right?

Quotations?!
Reply to  "Anti-racists," Sure...
December 22, 2020 12:34 pm

She is a Dr.

Welcome to 2020 where women are still fighting for equal rights and treatment.

White men are going down along with the whole establishment 🙂

Can we be friends?
Reply to  Finally some guidance from our leaders.
December 23, 2020 9:34 am

I didn’t know open minded people, smart like you existed in Crown Heights.

open minded?
Reply to  Can we be friends?
December 31, 2020 5:49 pm

there’s a difference between actual open mindedness and calling everyone who doesn’t agree with you a racist

chana
Reply to  Finally some guidance from our leaders.
December 31, 2020 5:48 pm

SHE IS NOT A DOCTOR!
anyone who feels the need to tell you that they are a doctor is not a real doctor
besides which medical emergency would she be able to help with anyway?
I sincerely hope that was a joke

Why dont the rabbanim make a day for tshuvah
December 22, 2020 5:47 am

We as chassidim need to realize that Hashem runs the world! Lin Wood, president trumps lawyer spoke about this, but here nothing is mentioned. All the precautions in the world will not help without Hashem wanting it to help. Why is there not a day for tefillah and tshuvah announced by the rabbanim?

Sure...
Reply to  Why dont the rabbanim make a day for tshuvah
December 22, 2020 9:04 am

Praying is nice, always down for that, but maybe we could also listen to the doctors G-d gave us and start wearing masks and social distancing.

It’s like the story about the drowning man who refuses help from passing boats because he thinks G-d will save him.

G-d is sending us boat after boat after boat.

But don't help the Malach Hamovess
Reply to  Why dont the rabbanim make a day for tshuvah
December 22, 2020 11:15 am

I lost my father to the virus. Yes it was Hashem’s plan. But the same Hashem cautions: UShmartem es Nafshoseichem.

Gezera
Reply to  Why dont the rabbanim make a day for tshuvah
December 22, 2020 12:11 pm

The whole thing is a gezera min haShomayim. The idiocy and irrelevancy on all sides, the impossible choices between physical and mental and financial health, the hostility and false hope and hopelessness, the political turmoil. It makes no sense. See the Sichos before 12 Tamuz 5745 or the remarks on the Shoah or the murders at Kfar Chabad trade school. Prayer Teshuvah Torah Good Deeds Mivtzoyim, now you are talking.

Saving Lives
December 22, 2020 6:22 am

We are really on the wrong side of history here. This is so damaging to how we are viewed by the public, it must be a nightmare for the shluchim to answer questions like: why should I join a community that has no regard for public health? What would the Rebbe say about all this? How many more people have to die for us to take it seriously? The vaccine is here and experts say it will cover this new crazy strain from the UK. Our choices in the next couple months will literally save lives, which is the very… Read more »

Moshe
Reply to  Saving Lives
December 22, 2020 12:23 pm

It’s not only shluchim, my patients and college friends have asked me too

"the public"
Reply to  Saving Lives
December 22, 2020 12:29 pm

If your “public” is the writers and talkers in the United States’ versions of Pravda and Izvestia, sure, we’re viewed badly by them. But not because of what we do or don’t do regarding Covid, but because their party is pretty explicitly anti-Semitic.

Try the “public” elsewhere, and you’ll be pleasantly surprised that many of them are supportive of us and of our stand for freedom.

Shlucha
Reply to  Saving Lives
December 22, 2020 3:13 pm

100%!! As a shlucha we’ve been getting questions and accusations like this for months

Anonymous
Reply to  Saving Lives
December 22, 2020 9:46 pm

Is that the same public that are absolutely appalled at us for keeping bris Mila (metzitza bpeh), shechita, and educating our kids al taharas hakodesh (no gender studies trash)? Why do their life opinions matter that much to you that you feel ashamed about who you are?

Pray and distance
December 22, 2020 6:25 am

Let’s do our part! Distance, mask, stay home, pray! It’s really not worth losing one special soul.

Anonymous
Reply to  Pray and distance
December 22, 2020 2:57 pm

You will be losing many MORE special souls if you keep everyone home, distanced and masked. Especially the young who have zero risk with catching covid. The price to their long term health is enormous too if they even survive that long. Just saying. This is not about weighing zero cost with some cost. But massive unseen cost to medium cost.

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We have not lost anyone to staying home!
Reply to  Anonymous
December 23, 2020 12:18 am

…and the young SPREAD THE VIRUS. And spreading the virus kills people. The young bounce back quickly tho.

Not always
Reply to  We have not lost anyone to staying home!
December 23, 2020 9:38 am

I’m in my 20’s, I got Covid in March, and I’m still experiencing symptoms including difficulty breathing. My story is only one among countless others. Young people can spread and catch this virus as badly as anyone else.

not necessarily true
Reply to  We have not lost anyone to staying home!
December 31, 2020 5:51 pm

the suicide rate is at an all time high

Stop the Kiddushin
December 22, 2020 6:31 am

It’s bad enough people aren’t wearing masks, but the sit kiddushin in a packed Shul What’s the matter with all the Sul Rabbis
Why are they allowing this
Don’t they have a memory from the early days of Covid
Wake up and save lives

other Chabad communities
Reply to  Stop the Kiddushin
December 22, 2020 8:41 am

Unfortunately, Chabad communities all over the world follow Crown Heights’ lead. If there are large simchas being held in CH, other communities think it’s okay. Crown Heights should be leading everyone else with excellent leadership that can be followed.

Deborah Jacobi
December 22, 2020 6:42 am
Ivermectin
Reply to  Deborah Jacobi
December 22, 2020 9:47 am

The big drawback is it is not safe for expectant mothers

Anonymous
Reply to  Ivermectin
December 22, 2020 11:01 am

Hcq is very safe for pregnant and nursing mother’s. Take with zinc and you’re good to go. But really you have a 99.98% chance you’ll recover just fine without anything.

Anonymous
Reply to  Anonymous
December 23, 2020 12:01 am

So is vitamin d, c, zinc very safe for pregnancy. Works wonders for fighting off viruses. Oregano oil supposed to help too just ask your Dr first.

Mrs. Orah Shapiro
December 22, 2020 7:08 am

BS”D

Taking VITAMIN D and QUERCETIN supplements BUILDS one’s IMMUNITY … NOT ONLY VITAMIN C & ZINC

Dosages?
Reply to  Mrs. Orah Shapiro
December 22, 2020 9:11 am

Can you please provide amounts of Vit D & best forms ? There are many kinds of Zinc.

Deborah Jacobi
Reply to  Dosages?
December 22, 2020 3:38 pm

The medical journals suggest 4000 i.u.per day. You can take it in capsules or drops both forms are good. Take also with 50mg zinc, any form is good, zinc picolinate probably absorbs best. Also quercetin boosts the immune system and is recommended. 1000 iu vitamin C morning and night is also helpful. The most helpful is Vitamin D.
Blessings to stay safe.

Ask your doc
Reply to  Dosages?
December 22, 2020 4:02 pm

Ask your pcp

We should be grownups
December 22, 2020 8:35 am

Don’t blame leadership for not babysitting. That should not be what they’re here for! Alternatively: become part of the “leadership”!

Please stop thinking because you had it you are do
December 22, 2020 9:02 am

The above comments mirror my deep frustration of the general laxness here, especially on Chanukah. The number of visitors and guests here was astonishing. No masks, no distancing. Someone asked girls in shul why they weren’t wearing masks and they said, ” no one else is”. There should have been a clear directive from our community for people not to come. When I complained to someone in Israel, who follows rules, she said they understand that if they had covid they could come. The problem is that I know for a fact that there were people who came who didn’t… Read more »

...yes and others ARE GETTING IT A SECOND TIME
Reply to  Please stop thinking because you had it you are do
December 22, 2020 11:19 am

People are losing antibodies and getting it second time. Even if it’s not the majority 9f cases.

And now
Reply to  Please stop thinking because you had it you are do
December 22, 2020 12:31 pm

It’s an even bigger issue with the new mutations

Anonymous
Reply to  Please stop thinking because you had it you are do
December 22, 2020 3:04 pm

Time to learn to live WITH covid instead of destroying your life by trying to hide from it forever. Especially if you are under 65 with no pre-existing conditions.

Agreed. If everyone wore masks.
Reply to  Anonymous
December 23, 2020 12:20 am

Where I live everyone wears masks outside of home. Everyone goes out. And very few got Covid.

A resident
December 22, 2020 9:17 am

Please have mercy
WEAR MASK

Intelligent article. The comments.... Not so much
December 22, 2020 9:33 am

The article wisely tells those at risk to stay home. Many of the comments want to impose draconian rules on all. Take some *personal responsibility*! If you are sick, stay home. If you’re at risk, stay home. Don’t sit behind your keyboard and scream that everyone else should wear masks or other useless measures.

Anonymous
Reply to  Intelligent article. The comments.... Not so much
December 22, 2020 11:05 am

Some people have a serious case of anxiety and don’t understand that others don’t. We have and will continue to live life to the fullest with reasonable caution as decided by each individual and their personal doctor. It’s no one’s place to force others to do whatever they think they must. Every adult can do their own benefit/risk management and those crippled with fear can stay home forever, take preventative medicine or see a professional therapist.

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Selfish
Reply to  Anonymous
December 22, 2020 12:00 pm

“Every adult can do their own benefit/risk management.” This would be true if the virus wasn’t able to be spread from person to person. When you choose not to wear a mask, you take the risk of not only harming yourself but also those around you. By not wearing a mask, you could literally kill someone. Your choices impact more than just yourself.

Anonymous
Reply to  Selfish
December 22, 2020 3:09 pm

Gosh then please don’t drive a car or cross the street. You have a much higher probability of getting killed or killing someone than from covid. (Considering the medical breakthroughs in dealing with this virus) really nobody needs to die from covid anymore. treat immediately upon suspicion.

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Wish it were up to the individual!
Reply to  Anonymous
December 22, 2020 1:58 pm

…but this is a smart virus that spreads to others. Don’t be selfish. Yes, anxiety. But it works both ways. So many are anxious about getting the virus because others are obviously careless.

Anyone over 50 should stay home in perpetuity
Reply to  Intelligent article. The comments.... Not so much
December 22, 2020 11:23 am

Ridiculous. This would not be necessary if people wore masks in shul, school, gatherings and made only small simchos. Where I live there is almost no Covid. People wear masks in shul, in school, and have small socially distanced simchos. And it’s all fine. Annoying to wear a mask but then not as much when you know you’re saving lives AND PROTECTING SMALL BUSINESSES AND PREVENTING SHUT DOWNS

Anonymous
Reply to  Anyone over 50 should stay home in perpetuity
December 22, 2020 3:16 pm

Well see? No one over 50 wants to be forced to stay home forever to possibly save lives just like no one under 50 wants to wear masks forever and have their business shut down. Indeed this is why in America we live by the rules of individual liberty and personal responsibility, and not big gvt imposing indiscriminating rules for public safety. So yes it comes with more risk but also more benefit.

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Wrong
Reply to  Anonymous
December 23, 2020 12:22 am

If people wore masks, young and old alike would be protected and could gather and businesses could stay open.

Concerned Resident
December 22, 2020 10:52 am

Hashem yerachem. When will our community stand up and say enough is enough. We are looked upon as lamplighters and role models to the wider Jewish community and will be there to encourage people to put on tefillin, light shabbos candles or fulfill basic mitzvahs, but we ourselves fail to follow the basic halachic tenant of pikuach nefesh and neglect to follow basic medical guidelines. The fact that large gatherings were held in 770 over Chanukah and for hei teves without basic social distancing and mask wearing is a real blight on us all and the community’s leadership. I cannot… Read more »

I think I know why...
Reply to  Concerned Resident
December 22, 2020 11:46 am

Been wondering why the lax approach to Covid in Crown Heights and Frum communities. Aside from the fact that there is some herd immunity. There is a lot of distrust of authority, especially in first-generation Americans. They were singed by the Nazis, the KGB, and poor medical infrastructure in the old country. It is a trickle down affect. Also, peer pressure/A general attitude of disrespect. A yungerman recently told me he never had the virus and wants to protect his elderly mother but was laughed out of shul. Also, simple ignorance of science. They are not even taught biology in… Read more »

Well, gee...
Reply to  I think I know why...
December 22, 2020 12:31 pm

…you think that maybe the “experts” having squandered all of their credibility – claiming, for example, that weddings are dangerous but that “protests” are not – has anything to do with it? Yes, we have been singed by the Nazis and the KGB, and so we know governments that supposedly are “protecting” us for what they are.

Exactly.
Reply to  Well, gee...
December 22, 2020 2:01 pm

There is a double standard. That does not mean you should not protect your friends, family, neighbors from the virus

Neighbor
Reply to  Concerned Resident
December 22, 2020 11:57 am

I’m part of the percentage who haven’t had COVID. Even though I was exposed to it a few times at home. So I’d appreciate if people would wear masks in a store so I don’t have to be one of the people who are now getting it, after multiple exposures without getting it

Concerned resident
Reply to  Neighbor
December 25, 2020 1:25 pm

I have better advice, stay home so you don’t need to inconvenience the real people that don’t care about this fake virus

Concerned resident
Reply to  Concerned Resident
December 25, 2020 1:28 pm

Your looking at it all wrong. We will be the leaders of getting our country back. No more masks, no more social distancing, no more terrorists ( antifa , blm, liberals) our great country can’t continue with this fake virus

Yaakov Fogel(@jayf)
December 22, 2020 11:33 am

I still have antibodies from March. But it was scary when I had COVID. Recommend avoiding it if possible. Also do things to stay healthy. Your going to need your strength.

No one should lose a parent the way I did...
December 22, 2020 11:38 am

…to Covid. Entry should not be allowed into simchos, shuls, schools in Crown Heights without a mask. Period. It should never have been allowed. Where I live, we all wear masks all the time in shul, all day in school (no one here has it and most never did bec it’s been mask since day 1). It’s highly annoying but worth it. Yes, even with antibodies (which I have), as it creates a SPIRIT OF SAFETY in which no one feels like a a reverse-leper by wearing a mask. And simchos should be small, socially distanced. No one should have… Read more »

Schools
December 22, 2020 11:57 am

I have not gotten covid all this time. Went shopping and did my work with and without mask. Did not go to large gatherings since March. Yet i got covid my my kid in home and my kid got it from school.

Even if you social distance and do not go to large gatherings and wear masks if you are home and someone in your home has it then you got it.

Frustrated Physician
December 22, 2020 11:57 am

No surprise. Nearly every photo on this website over the last 6 months shows people congregating with NO MASKS!

What kind of magical thinking can make otherwise intelligent and responsible Yidden to think they are magically immune? Or won’t carry and transmit the virus??

We in this community have been profoundly foolish and are not to suffer the consequences.

"intelligent"
Reply to  Frustrated Physician
December 22, 2020 12:28 pm

Where are all those intelligent Yidden? All I’m seeing are trump supporters who don’t believe in science.

Our belief
Reply to  "intelligent"
December 22, 2020 8:40 pm

…is in Hashem. Not in science; that’s a tool used to understand Hashem’s world and to live in it. It’s those who’ve lost their belief in Hashem who have to replace it with belief in science, or Fauci, or “Dr.” Jill Biden, etc.

Hashem created science
Reply to  Our belief
December 23, 2020 7:16 am

Are you kidding with this argument?

HASHEM CREATED SCIENCE IN ORDER FOR HUMANKIND TO LEARN AND USE TO BETTER THE WORLD.

And Dr. Jill Biden will not be reduced by your ridiculous use of quotation marks, nor will any other women.

this had nothing got to do with gender!
Reply to  Hashem created science
December 31, 2020 5:56 pm

the fact is she is not a medical doctor
if a man said he was a doctor and had the same degree as her I would be just as critical
(by the way I am a woman)

Such a chillul Hashem
December 22, 2020 12:18 pm

You think it’s all a scheme? Fine. You have no derech eretz? Fine.

But you’re making a MASSIVE chillul Hashem.

A shanda
December 23, 2020 2:18 am

all these remarks sound like a bunch of stupid liberals. What happen to our community?? Where’s the faith and trust in Hashem?? Hashem runs the world, not liberals, not media, not the dem party, not antifa , not blm. This whole”liberal narrative is worse than sodom.

We are not supposed to depend on miracles
Reply to  A shanda
December 23, 2020 9:14 am

It is well known that we are not supposed to rely on miracles. Having faith is important, but it is equally important that we take logical, practical, scientifically proven to work steps as well.

Liberals, Antifa, and BLM are the only movements keeping this country together. I have no idea why some Orthodox Jews are conservative, especially considering that the Republican party (specifically trump) is anti human rights.

Thank Gd for Antifa and BLM, this country should only continue to progress in a positive, liberal direction.

G-D forbid
Reply to  We are not supposed to depend on miracles
December 25, 2020 1:21 pm

your crazy! Antifa & blm and liberals are the epitome of hatred and terrorism.it’s a shame that someone should even have a thought like yours not to mention writing about it

really?
Reply to  We are not supposed to depend on miracles
December 31, 2020 5:57 pm

you’re kidding right?

Worrisome increase??
December 23, 2020 10:20 am

Really? Worrisome increase? The Gedaliah Society update # 46 basically told people to go about their lives as normal as pre COVID, now they are worried?

Anonymous
December 23, 2020 7:02 pm

Hello Mr. Anonymous, have you ever heard of Asymptomatic? You can have it without showing any noticeable symptoms- but still spread it to others.

Anonymous
December 23, 2020 7:07 pm

Just listen to the Scientists- they know better.

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