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Coronavirus Update #42: Time to Restart Porch Minyanim Due to Multiple New COVID Cases

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Have you seen the videos from last night ( motzoi
September 13, 2020 6:56 am

Mobbed with NO masks – these people are not listening to the Rabonim or the Doctors !
Anarchy. Poor Crown Heights …

Anonymous
Reply to  Have you seen the videos from last night ( motzoi
September 13, 2020 11:39 pm

I see a lot of people not wearing masks in Shul or when they go in to the groceries, and whyare so many Borchim coming in from other cities I read that 2 bochim came in from Isreal and they had covid19 why are they letting these people in

770
September 13, 2020 7:29 am

They keep mentioning 770 but how is that different than all the schools that are open? Kids are kids, they play and eat together and are not careful about higiene, they come home every day… Whatever partitions etc they officially put up is a joke and does not work. Ask your son..

This comment is not inline with city guidelines
Reply to  770
September 13, 2020 12:43 pm

Please inform youself, while there is a risk, kids are much LESS likely to be carriers and spread the virus.
If you or someone in your family is at risk, don’t allow kids to visit.

Kds do not spread the Wuhan virus
Reply to  770
September 13, 2020 11:18 pm

Especially those under 10.

two questions:
September 13, 2020 7:34 am

1- why this: Testing negative does not allow one to discontinue quarantine.
2- what about dr zelenkos medication? Is it being offered in ch? I have yet to hear anyone that does not benefit from it. Why isn’t it being spoken about?

Answers
Reply to  two questions:
September 13, 2020 10:50 am

1 – Because it takes time after exposure until a person is infected and produces enough of the virus to be detectable in tests.

2 – Because scientific studies have shown that hydroxychloroquine is not effective against coronavirus.

research
Reply to  Answers
September 13, 2020 1:23 pm

reply to 2. a. the zelenko protocol is not just hydroxychloroquine 
b. the studies that showed that were flawed
c. there were other studies showing that it worked
d. the liberal media and the like have deliberate silenced anyone including many many medical professionals who support the zelenko protocol for political purposes.

so yes, why is the zelenko protocol not being offered in crown heights?

People in Crown Heights did receive it
Reply to  research
September 13, 2020 10:18 pm

I know that for a fact.

Correction
Reply to  Answers
September 13, 2020 2:28 pm

50 scientific studies prove hydroxychloriquine does work. Only one study that compared two groups of young healthy people who got covid said it made no difference. Not that it didn’t work. Just that control group saw the same good results regardless if they took the med or not. Well duh they were at low risk of death to begin with. See Dr
James Todaro’s Twitter for all the data. He did a great job compiling the studies and science.

Please stop telling lies
Reply to  Answers
September 13, 2020 11:19 pm

“2 – Because scientific studies have shown that hydroxychloroquine is not effective against coronavirus.”

That is just not true. Please stop telling lies.

Medication
Reply to  Answers
September 14, 2020 12:58 am

Those “scientific studies” have been proven to be scams.

HCQ/A/Z
Reply to  Answers
September 14, 2020 10:43 pm

Dr. Zelenko’s protocol saved the life of this 82 year-old asthmatic. Current studies of the hydroxychloroqine, Azithromycin and zinc cocktail show it to be very effective when taken in a timely manner. HCQ is also used as a preventative. I had no side effects whatsoever when I took it.

Masks
September 13, 2020 7:43 am

There should be a fund that Goyim respectfully should do a temperature check & hand out masks Shabbos, Yom Tov, & weekdays. In all entry door ways to 770, men & women. That means if their are 10 doors going in to 770, 10 Goyim should be hired. Etc….its that simple.

insane
Reply to  Masks
September 13, 2020 3:03 pm

CLOSE 770….CLOSE THE SHULS

The non scientific irony of it all
September 13, 2020 7:50 am

If it were medically proven science, the world over would have the same distancing and quarantine rules. In Israel, it’s within 6 feet for at least 15 minutes. Does the virus spread quicker in NY?

THANK YOU
September 13, 2020 8:35 am

…to the people that were in charge of bringing the bochurim to us.
Blood is on their hands

research
Reply to  THANK YOU
September 13, 2020 1:25 pm

which blood? who do you know that got seriously sick recently? people tested positive with mild or no symptoms. thats it. we’re being cautious as we should be, but think carefully before you make that kind of accusation

Anonymous
Reply to  research
September 13, 2020 11:48 pm

I read on collive that 2 people that came from Isreal had covid 19 and there are a lot of people in ch that dont wear masks or they dont practice social distancing

Can community members post
September 13, 2020 8:48 am

Where there will be outdoor minyanim RH?

Bais Rivka and just about every few blocks
Reply to  Can community members post
September 13, 2020 2:02 pm

Bais Rivka and just about every few blocks

But it would be nice to have a list.

Post a daily tracker
September 13, 2020 8:53 am

If the cases are surging like the Gedalia society sqys they are, why dont they post a daily tracker, thats a sure way to get people to realize the danger(just like the jhons Hopkins tracker).. unless its just a couple of cases, and we are worried for “just in case” in which case its just the continues fearmongering.. whats the hard to post data, WE the residents submitted it, its only right we get to see the entire picture and let us as grown adults, make our own Educated decision

Excuse us ...
September 13, 2020 9:11 am

Since when do doctors write or create Hallachic edicts? Hashem gave them the power to heal, and it’s their job to do that as best as possible. If doctors feel that people should change their ways or suspend Halacha, that is (maybe!) something that can suggest to an individual patient — and not to a Klal as a whole. If a Halacha needs to be modified or suspended for an entire community, that is the Rov’s job — not a self-creating and self-appointee committee. Never in Judaism history was Halachic edicts written by a set of doctors. It should be… Read more »

Doctors Have The Power
Reply to  Excuse us ...
September 13, 2020 11:19 am

Doctors have the Hallachik power to suspend Hallacha.

Who decides if someone fast of Yom Kippur or not? A Doctor.

Sadly...
Reply to  Doctors Have The Power
September 13, 2020 2:30 pm

Unfortunately the doctors are not being allowed to voice their own independent medical opinion bc they are being threatened with fines or losing their license by the government.

Doctors do NOT have the power
Reply to  Doctors Have The Power
September 13, 2020 11:22 pm

“Doctors have the Hallachik power to suspend Hallacha.”

No, they do NOT.

“Who decides if someone fast of Yom Kippur or not? A Doctor.”

Chas vesholom. ONLY a rov can make such a decision, after speaking to the doctor. A doctor on his own has NO authority to pasken a shayla.

Suspend Halacha
Reply to  Excuse us ...
September 14, 2020 9:12 am

The Rabonim have said numerous times to wear a mask and social distance. When you choose to ignore even the Rabonim who are you going to listen to? And as far as doctors writing Halacha, we listen to law that the Rambam wrote so why not respect a doctor when it comes to a Halacha and your health?
When not wearing a mask or social distancing you are putting others lives at risk. Put the mask on, social distance, quarantine if you come in from out of state, get a test and do the right thing.

What the halachic status of masks on shabbos?
September 13, 2020 9:36 am

Can one wear a mask on shabbos? Never got a clear answer on that.

Elie
Reply to  What the halachic status of masks on shabbos?
September 13, 2020 12:03 pm

Rabonim said yes MULTIPLE times!

Where?
Reply to  Elie
September 13, 2020 2:21 pm

Which rabbonim and where? Please source.

Just stop
September 13, 2020 9:39 am

Stop telling us what to do.
Let’s get life back to normal.
No masks needed. They do absolutely nothing.

Wishful thinking
Reply to  Just stop
September 13, 2020 10:11 pm

We’d love to get back to normal.
It’s not possible right now for things to be fully “normal”.
Time to accept reality and do your best to deal with it.
That includes following MEDICAL GUIDELINES from medical professionals who know more than you do.
We all want normal. Please help us get there.

Ridiculous
September 13, 2020 9:46 am

Still no guts to say guests stay home. stay away. Don’t come to ch. They keep saying plz consider…. When are schools get shut what will we say? Let’s fight for our kids by not allowing anyone from outside of CH here. Don’t try and blame 770 or somthing / someone else. Who ever keeps trying to be large and in charge should just say what most of CH keeps saying. Stay home dont come u are not welcome. Take u and ur simchas elsewhere. Bc the only ones who will be punished is the kids, the adults will continue… Read more »

So frustrating
September 13, 2020 9:56 am

Why can’t people just comply what’s wrong with CHers. Where I live, ppl listen!

10 days from symptoms
September 13, 2020 9:58 am

if I feel sick on Sunday and test positive on Wednesday, I isolate till the following Wednesday? Only if I am feeling well? And if my symptoms come back Tuesday? Because covid does that from personal experience. When do I count from? I was told 10 days from symptoms doesnt matter if you still feel sick 2 weeks later. Please advise. Thanks

From onset of symptoms
Reply to  10 days from symptoms
September 17, 2020 3:13 pm

You count from Sunday. But if you still feel sick you need to continue to isolate.

What about those of us who had corona?
September 13, 2020 9:59 am

I read there were approx 5 cases confirmed in the world where people had corona twice. And they didnt get it 6 months apart, it was less than that. So for those of us in crown heights who had corona and survived, can we daven in a shul without a mask? I think 5 cases worldwide is a risk im willing to take.

Even if...
Reply to  What about those of us who had corona?
September 13, 2020 10:27 am

Even if you don’t suffer symptoms again, you may still be carrying it and can pass it to someone who is high risk. And you wouldn’t even know because you wouldn’t get tested if you’re feeling fine.

Proof?
Reply to  Even if...
September 13, 2020 2:36 pm

That is one of the most widespread claims that is being used to justify this harassment. Please can you name which scientific study proves that asymptomatic people spread the virus? Not that they can theoretically but that they actually did. Yet to see…

Five proven cases
Reply to  What about those of us who had corona?
September 13, 2020 10:29 am

They were proven to be reinfection beyond doubt bc they had 2 different strains of the virus. Just bc it hasn’t been proven locally to that extent doesn’t mean it isn’t happening.

Anonymous
Reply to  What about those of us who had corona?
September 13, 2020 2:44 pm

Yes!

Masks do nothing with regards to the virus. It’s like keeping out mosquitoes with a chain link fence. Remember living life is full of risks but not living life is much worse… So do as you think and enjoy your time!

Oh and you are not being selfish or killing ppl regardless of those that want to shame you.

My father died because of people like you
Reply to  Anonymous
September 13, 2020 9:25 pm

It was brought home to him by people in Crown Heights who were not careful. He got the virus and passed away.

Anonymous
Reply to  My father died because of people like you
September 15, 2020 12:10 am

I’m sorry for your loss.
There is no way to know how he caught it.
It could have come from a shopping bag that was dropped off by a fully masked person who was social distancing carefully. Or a delivery box. Or the bottom of someone’s shoes. Or through a breeze in the window…

What about staying at the Ohel?
September 13, 2020 12:25 pm

Is that considered safe for Rosh Hashanah?

CH resident
September 13, 2020 12:46 pm

1.Considering %100 in our community everyone already got infected in Adar/Nisan any data that reinfection is dangerous or leading to any complications (hospitalization) ? Didn’t hear anything about it yet. Testing positive is not the same as getting sick. 2. In neighboring Jewish communities like Williamsburg, BP every one socializing without any social distance/masks no one getting sick either. 3. Even governments regulations in NYC ruling back, businesses open. 4. Masks never stop spreading but claim to slow down only. 5. Even most hard actions like strict quarantine never stopped spreading of the virus. 6. We need to work and… Read more »

Numbers?
September 13, 2020 12:54 pm

How many cases is “multiple” cases?

How many of these multiple cases are serious? Any hospitalizations?

How many of these new cases are reinfections?

Does the public not deserve to have this information?

There are a few local reinfections
September 13, 2020 1:07 pm

It’s already been assessed

Reinfections in community
September 13, 2020 11:13 pm

There have been more than one case of reinfection in Crown Heights and the one I know of personally was contagious and passed to other people in the same place. people congregating for long periods in close quarters for yom Tov davening could lead to communal outbreaks. There appear to be different strains coming up.

absolutely
Reply to  Reinfections in community
September 17, 2020 10:00 am

I know of a few cases just among my immediate friends. It is very scary. People need to be careful and extremely vigilant now or we will have schools closed for months and things shutdown…I am not even talking about serious illnesses and deaths

How Many More
September 13, 2020 11:45 pm

How many more neshamos do we have to lose before we learn the lessons from after Pesach.

Wearing masks and social distancing is real and it’s serious. Just ask those in ICU’s or the relatives of those now on ventilators! Wake up my friends. You are killing yourselves and those around you. It’s deadly serious.

ashamed
September 14, 2020 3:38 am

Nobody has to agree on politics, or even on whether corona is fact or fiction. There mere thought that not following guidelines COULD POSSIBLY risk human life should be enough–what happened to the idea that pikuach nefesh comes above all else?
As a healthcare worker who has watched people die of corona for the past several months, these comments anger me.
But as a Jew who was raised to believe in the sanctity of life, I am simply ashamed.

YOU ARE RIGHT
Reply to  ashamed
September 14, 2020 8:24 am

Everything you said is exactly how I feel. Thank you for your service. I am mortified to be a part of a community that condones and even encourages this behavior.

Anonymous
Reply to  YOU ARE RIGHT
September 15, 2020 12:27 am

I guess you would be less mortified in North Korea where everyone always does as their told without any questions? There are dozens if not hundreds of doctors who disagree about the guidelines that make very little scientific sense and are NOT effective.

you are so selfish
Reply to  Anonymous
September 17, 2020 9:56 am

The Rebbe told us to follow the doctors…especially our doctor who is the rofeh yedid for Crown Heights and for Lubavitchers globally. What is your problem? Go live elsewhere with your attitude. I guess you are an expert on all things

Anonymous
Reply to  ashamed
September 15, 2020 12:17 am

Indefinite lockdowns for everyone and constant mask wearing also severely harms public health especially to those that are at no risk from complications of this virus… Please don’t disregard the true serious fallout of these indiscriminating guidelines to them as well…

you are so selfish
Reply to  Anonymous
September 17, 2020 9:58 am

No one said indefinite lockdown. WEAR A MASK, SOCIAL DISTANCE, NO GROUPS INSIDE…Protect yourself and protect other people. You are like the snake that enticed Chava to eat from eitz hadaas – exaggerating the protocols so that people will not keep them. Shame on you

Life is risky
Reply to  ashamed
September 15, 2020 1:12 am

Do you drive a car? Do you know that you could possibly kill someone by mistake? Let’s ban all cars. Do you go grocery shopping? Do you know that you could possibly infect yourself with covid and die? Let’s ban all food sales. How about forced quarantine/contact tracing for everyone who suffers from the flu, AIDS or antibiotic resistant infection etc…. Bc it may possibly kill someone with a compromised immune system. Get the drift? See how far this can stretch? Until you have absolutely no personal freedom to be allowed to think and choose what happens to you… It’s… Read more »

still ashamed
Reply to  Life is risky
September 16, 2020 8:18 am

Perhaps before bringing AIDS and the flu into this, one might realize that BH those are TREATABLE (not curable, but treatable). Contrary to social media folklore, Covid treatment is all guessing and luck.

And extensive testing has PROVEN that no harm is done to the lungs from mask use.

But again, clearly your “freedom” is more important than education and the halachic stance that risking human life is of great concern to modern poskim. I certainly have no hope of changing your mind.
And you have no hope of changing mine.

thank you !
September 14, 2020 10:42 am

thank you for your service . and thank you for your wise words.

Dovber
September 23, 2020 1:20 pm

It’s been 10 days with significant uptick in other Frum communities. Please post update #43.

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