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Coronavirus Update #39: Presumed Reinfections, New Cases

Coronavirus update for the Crown Heights community from The Gedaliah Society and Dr. Eli Rosen: Presumed reinfections of COVID, community spread and outbreaks upstate. Full Story

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Tell it like it is
August 18, 2020 12:46 am

“ To the visitors who feel compelled to come for Tishrei, we strongly advise that only those with confirmed prior infections come to Crown Heights”.

Why not just tell people not to come, period? Once you start granting permission to those “who feel compelled”, then everyone will come using that as their excuse. Confirmed prior infections will be impossible to enforce.

Please tell it like it is. Israel is a beautiful place to spend Tishrei. No reason to come to Crown Heights.

One rule
Reply to  Tell it like it is
August 18, 2020 2:07 am

What about Crown Heights-ers who go out of town? Is that allowed? If no one should be allowed in then no one should be allowed out. It’s not one rule for you and one for us.

Same...
Reply to  Tell it like it is
August 18, 2020 2:47 am

סוף מעשה במחשבה תחילה

The end of your comment is telling your point.

This year “COVID” it’s just an argument.

“No reason to come to CH…”

I promess you if people were looking for a “beautiful place” for Tishrei, nobody would have come to CH.

I would have say : “This year there is a reason not to come unfortunately. But it’s really important to be careful. For the health of thousands people.”

כתיבה וחתימה טובה anticipated.

did you know
Reply to  Same...
August 25, 2020 1:40 pm

Convalescent plasma is fine but has not been studied in a RCT. It will not be available for everyone. But, it will be big business for the blood industry in the US. No one is focusing on prevention of hospitalizations.

STAY AWAY
Reply to  Tell it like it is
August 18, 2020 5:45 am

It is up to us as a community. The doctors have spoken. It is a danger to our community for guests to come for Tishrei. The doctors cannot enforce what we are not willing to do. WE must do the work…stand strong and say no – no to guests sleeping in our homes, no to guests eating in our homes, no to guests shopping in our stores, no to guests in our shuls….just like Florida did before Pesach, but the difference is that they actually did stand strong – people were asked to show Florida residency before being allowed to… Read more »

FEAR NOT
Reply to  Tell it like it is
August 25, 2020 1:23 pm

“The key to defeating COVID-19 already exists. We need to start using it!”

Professor Harvey A. Risch, MD, PhD

Department of Epidemiology  

Yale School of Public Health

safest drugs in the world
Reply to  Tell it like it is
August 25, 2020 1:32 pm

HCQ is one of theHCQ is one of the safest drugs in the world. There is an uptick of anti-hcq propaganda. This a sign that the enemies of humanity are petrified- they have dug in and are cornered animals. We need to maintain relentless pressure. There is an uptick of anti-hcq propaganda.

did you know
Reply to  Tell it like it is
August 25, 2020 1:41 pm

After 60 yrs of idealogical subversion, the neo-marxists in this country, have throughly infested academia, msm, and the so-called democratic party. Totalitarian tyranny is dangerously close. Suppression of hcq and >165k needless deaths is a foretaste of their up coming utopia

Howard
August 18, 2020 12:54 am

This is freaky stuff. This means, that unless we find a vaccine or accessible medication, we will have to social distance forever and ever

Sara Cohen
Reply to  Howard
August 18, 2020 1:07 am

No because WE must believe in MOSHIACH COMING NOW.
THE REBBE PROMISED US.
LETS CHAP AREIN AND DO ALL THE MITZVOT WE CAN .

menachem mendel
Reply to  Sara Cohen
August 18, 2020 2:31 am

incorrect sara, because even after moshiach will be here, illness will still be with us according to some (see Talmud bavli shabbos 63a and rambam laws of kings chapter 12).
and we might possibly have ti wait for the second tekufa – messianic era for super natural events to take place.
but hopefully your right…

no need to make things long
Reply to  menachem mendel
August 18, 2020 3:29 pm

the second tekufah can come immediately. Remember the מ from כמים לים מכסים? Second tekufah can come in a matter of even 40 seconds.

Vaccines
Reply to  Howard
August 18, 2020 9:59 am

Vaccines produce the same results as exposure to the virus. If you got the virus and have antibodies, you are just as immune as you would be with a vaccine.

Do you take the responsibility
Reply to  Vaccines
August 18, 2020 12:27 pm

of giving medical information? Are you qualified to do so?

hello?
Reply to  Howard
August 25, 2020 1:43 pm

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1273806895560773632/shKS5OsE_normal.jpg
Dr. Zev Zelenko
@zev_dr
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Aug 23

6mo into #Covid19-“experts” say go home-when you’re sicker goto hosp. Govt betrays us. Msm lies. cdc,nih,fda,who-enemies of people. Med Journals are corrupt. AMA, IDSA our cowards. DONT LISTEN TO THEM!!! Treat #Covid19 ASAP and live.

COVID update 39
August 18, 2020 12:56 am

Dr Rosen please share your experience directly or indirect treating patients with hydroxychloroquine and zinc?

Agreed!
Reply to  COVID update 39
August 18, 2020 12:00 pm

This is so important. All I hear is that it worked and that it works. Masks might possible protect some in some form of spreading the virus but zinc and hydroxy (or quercetin ) have worked for all as far is saw. It should at least be mentioned in this article.

Keep wishing
Reply to  COVID update 39
August 18, 2020 12:25 pm

He can’t because the medical board will go after him for prescribing a safe drug off label that works and they can’t profit from.

safest drug
Reply to  COVID update 39
August 25, 2020 1:34 pm

eNew peer reviewed study from The Journal of Electrocardiology concludes that #HCQ with Azithromycin
did NOT have any QT prolongation issues in non-ICU patients. It is considered safe!!!
wed study from The Journal of Electrocardiology concludes that #HCQ with Azithromycin
did NOT have any QT prolongation issues in non-ICU patients. It

2 mild cases every few days is causes for fear?
August 18, 2020 1:02 am

How many students from CH are going to E”Y? How many CH’ers went to FL? How many kids from out of state went to camp? There’s no logic to any of the guidelines. As a staff member in a camp, my son was not allowed to join a family simcha. Low and behold on the day between first and second session, he was asked by the camp to accompany campers going to CH and returned the next day along with all the new campers. If someone could explain the medical science to that – they’re a genius. Schools require social… Read more »

Shame on you!!
Reply to  2 mild cases every few days is causes for fear?
August 18, 2020 1:16 am

U obviously didn’t have a relative who r”l had a serous case of covid or even passed away from covid

Not only 1 relative but many relatives
Then say how mild it is

Virus is MILD now
Reply to  Shame on you!!
August 18, 2020 9:55 am

The new virus is mutated and is mild. We didn’t hear of any serious cases in the past few month. Corona era is over. We have to stop spread fear for no reason. More people die from the flu than from covis these days.

Definitely not mild everywhere.
Reply to  Virus is MILD now
August 18, 2020 4:59 pm

People are still dying from COVID in America.
Many people past away in Israel from COVID recently. Even if you right about a weaker mutation in NY, there is still a stronger one going around, and people who travel might bring it with them.

OUTBREAK
Reply to  Definitely not mild everywhere.
August 19, 2020 4:59 am

There is no “might bring it with them”….the Tishrei guests will bring this plague with them and it will hit us with a vengance. The weaker mutation in NY now is surprising and gave us a respite. It is in our hands whether we willingly get hit again hard – by letting the guests and the virus back in….and suffering the deaths and funerals and crisis again.

Stop living in fear
Reply to  Shame on you!!
August 18, 2020 11:51 am

There is a lot more that is now known about this virus than before. Zelenko’s protocol works especially for the vulnerable with underlying conditions and the elderly. It can also be taken in advance so you won’t even catch covid if exposed for those that want. We can safely go back to normal if those in charge give us the access we need to the drugs that work.

WHAT ?
Reply to  2 mild cases every few days is causes for fear?
August 18, 2020 4:39 am

You wrote that there was covid years ago… please tell me when EXACTLY

In 2003
Reply to  WHAT ?
August 18, 2020 12:31 pm

SARS-CoV-1

Refuah
Reply to  WHAT ?
August 18, 2020 12:43 pm

The commentator was probably referring to:  SARS-CoV in 2003, HCoV NL63 in 2004, HCoV HKU1 in 2005, MERS-CoV in 2012.
CoV refers to Corona Viruses, Hashem Yishmor.

Wondering
Reply to  2 mild cases every few days is causes for fear?
August 18, 2020 5:16 am

Some of what your saying is correct, but you are also making it sound like we didn’t have 25 STRAIGHT DAYS of funerals r”l

Encouraging caution is not 'spreading fear'
Reply to  2 mild cases every few days is causes for fear?
August 18, 2020 9:05 am

But your unmitigated ignorance coupled with incomprehensible selfishness is most certainly spreading the MeFirst virus!

Cute
Reply to  2 mild cases every few days is causes for fear?
August 18, 2020 9:42 am

There was no covid years ago. Hence; NOVEL coronavirus.

Last edited 5 years ago by Cute
Not quite
Reply to  Cute
August 18, 2020 11:10 am

SARS-CoV-2 is the name of the current ‘novel’ virus. It is 75% the same as SARS-CoV-1 which was identified in 2003. Not so novel

Refuah
Reply to  Cute
August 18, 2020 12:49 pm

Sorry. Covid stands for COrona VIrus Disease. Of which unfortunately there were  SARS-CoV in 2003, HCoV NL63 in 2004, HCoV HKU1 in 2005, MERS-CoV in 2012.

The numbers 19 refer to the novel virus of 2019.

Unreliable
August 18, 2020 2:02 am

why are some bungalow colonies in lockdown and others who have proven cases not I heard this organization tells each person different things are they a reliable source ??? I heard dr Rosen says a one thing and they another ??,,

Do you take the responsibility
Reply to  Unreliable
August 18, 2020 12:36 pm

“This organization” is made up of volunteers who are Chabad medical professionals. They are men and women, single and married, who take enormous amounts of time from their own life to serve you the best information available. They do not offer their own personal opinions, they do all legwork – on t heir own time,with no compensation – and then put out to the public information that is approved by the community doctors. They answer innumerable emails and phone calls, on their own time. They ask for nothing in return. But as a decent person, please do not criticize what… Read more »

"This organization"
Reply to  Do you take the responsibility
August 18, 2020 3:21 pm

doesn’t have its own agenda! The members of the Gedaliah Society work in perfect harmony with the doctors of our community; Dr. Rosen has his name aligned with it!

Hello
Reply to  Do you take the responsibility
August 18, 2020 3:33 pm

I heard first hand info they give some people the rules are not the same for everybody I heard dr Rosen told someone in one of the colonies one thing and when the person called Gedalia society they where given a totally different response doesn’t seem like you guys are on the same page and can you please list all professionals
involved with this society and their credentials??? Or is it a secret

Store owners
August 18, 2020 2:50 am

please please enforce mask wearing!
People will unfortunately not listen unless store owners begin to enforce madk wearing

Report to 311
Reply to  Store owners
August 18, 2020 10:49 am

There’s a task force dealing with stores who violate protocols. I’ve already reported two FOOD establishments who MADE FOOD without masks.

Tyranny
Reply to  Report to 311
August 18, 2020 4:42 pm

How dare you snitch on your fellow Jews. Exactly what happened in USSR back in the day. You are not saving lives. But destroying whatever freedom you have left

Possible explanation for reinfection
August 18, 2020 6:45 am

there are different versions of the virus. Like with flu one case of flu or a vaccine doesnt mean you are fully immune to not catch flu again. So dont put all your trust in a vaccine either. One may recover from covid and be immune to that strain but not other strains. Also on the other hand one may lose their antibodies to covid but still be immune as there are 3 parts of the immune reaction. They may still have inate immunity. I am a nurse who has been watching medcram and other videos by lung specialists who… Read more »

embarrassing
Reply to  Possible explanation for reinfection
August 18, 2020 2:51 pm

Because people in CH think they know better…better then anyone…better than doctors…better than WHO…better than the facts…they are bessere mentchen. They will never protect others

Who is Who?
Reply to  embarrassing
August 18, 2020 4:57 pm

The same org that hid the virus to help it spread, in cahoots with China. Them you trust?! Lots of good Doctor’s recommend you DON’T wear masks and DON’T quarantine healthy people and DO treat covid early with hydroxy chloroquine. But for some nefarious reason THEY are being censored… Please see Yale epidemiology professor Harvey Risch. And others, Dr. James Todaro. Dr Simone Gold… and more

Regular person
August 18, 2020 8:00 am

Everyone here is always the smartest person in the world, they know better than the doctors, infectious disease specialist, or any expert for that matter. When they spread the virus around, they won’t take any blame because “everyone else was doing it”. When the schools shut down because of community spread, they will blame the government or some other institution. These people are so smart, they think they can outsmart the virus… Look how well we’ve been doing that since Purim There are some harsh realities we need to face. There should be no visitors to crown heights. There should… Read more »

Not quite
Reply to  Regular person
August 18, 2020 11:17 am

We live in a democracy. Freedom inherently carries risk. If you want to live under absolute control move to china or any other dictatorship. Freedom does not get cancelled because of your fear. Why not show the same outrage at how a drug like hydroxy, that’s safer than Tylenol, is being withheld even though it’s shown widespread effectiveness when used early on with covid?

Unreal
Reply to  Not quite
August 18, 2020 3:25 pm

Why must we get sick at all? I don’t want the drugs after I am sick that can try to save me and be hit or miss. And don’t kid yourself they are hit or miss. You are not smarter than the scientists and pathologists as much as you think you are. I am scared of people like you. People who take the law into their own hands. People who don’t care about their neighbors and advocate medicine instead of social distance and masks. People who think that they are better than others and what they need and want must… Read more »

My dear...
Reply to  Unreal
August 18, 2020 5:09 pm

Take a deep breath please and realize how you have been mislead. Time to realize that we are one family that cares deeply about each other AND don’t all think alike…

Hello
Reply to  Unreal
August 18, 2020 5:13 pm

The part you have clearly missed is that masks and social distancing will not protect you from this virus. They may even exacerbate your risk because of a lowered immune system. According to virologists and ppe fitting experts that I’ve heard

Yes
Reply to  Hello
August 18, 2020 6:52 pm

See you tube: Tammy Clark and Kristen Megan
(Stand up Michigan, ‘masks exposed’ -short version)

No problem
Reply to  Unreal
August 18, 2020 5:20 pm

Do as you wish but leave everyone else alone. No one is obligated to dress and walk as you think they must. Even if you are terrified they are putting you at risk. The only garanteed way to not get exposed to the virus is to completely seal yourself in a sterile room forever. The masks and social distancing will not help you because the virus lives and spreads on surfaces too. Live your life and don’t let the fear stop you.

Really?
Reply to  Regular person
August 25, 2020 10:44 pm

The harsh realities we need to face is to see how easy it is to manipulate the masses. masks and social distancing have not been proven to work. AT ALL. Viruses come and go in waves all the time. Have you ever taken a bottle of probiotics? DO you really understand the microbiome? Is the heralded golden calf vaccine the only anser? these are the harsh reality questions we need to ask.

No visitors. Period.
August 18, 2020 8:20 am

Put a ban on all visitors. The Rabbonim and doctors should feel comfortable using their authority in a case of safek Sakanas nefashos.

Why infected can come ?
August 18, 2020 9:15 am

Did you just write a person got reinfected !!! ?
Only if you were infected come,
Bringing susceptible ppl to ch is not smart !!
Just like coumo who put infected seniors in nursing homes

Supermarkets and stores
August 18, 2020 9:24 am

Very few people still wear masks in supermarkets and other stores

horrific
Reply to  Supermarkets and stores
August 18, 2020 4:54 pm

I just have no words! And those that are maskless and putting everyone at risk are the ones who give dirty looks and angry faces to those who are doing the right thing. I have never seen anything like it.

We
August 18, 2020 10:13 am

People are asked to put on masks if they want to shop in a store. People are generally putting on a mask to shop. Buy Why are shuls not requiring masks? 770 should be the first place that its required! What’s wrong with us? And everyone who prides themselves on their great intelligence and critical thinking skills, aren’t wearing masks to shul “because no one else is”? Wow, that’s so sad on so many levels. That’s why people have to be required to do things . Tishrei is coming. 770 and all shuls have to have a protocol in place.… Read more »

What's wrong with us?
Reply to  We
August 18, 2020 11:33 am

We follow people that we know are completely corrupt and compromised with such absolute trust like blind sheep. There is a proven prevention and cure available that’s very safe and is being suppressed by those that are corrupt. Masks are not effective and therefore not the solution. Neither is indefinite lockdowns. See Dr Zelenko’s protocol. And read his Twitter feed. There are numerous other doctors that have followed and see tremendous success with high risk patients.

People who are completely corrupt
Reply to  What's wrong with us?
August 18, 2020 3:25 pm

Please give names! Don’t just say ‘people who are completely corrupt and compromised’ – who are you talking about??
All the scientists all over the world who are in cahoots in a conspiracy to kill as many people as possible with Covid???

You say ‘numerous doctors’ – so these numerous doctors are the ones who’ve proven by doing the required standard studies?
In medicine/science, ‘proof’ means something very specific.

Oh…and the thousands of frum doctors all over the world who aren’t touting this ‘cure’ are also in cahoots with the people who are ‘completely corrupt and compromised’??

Sure. Ready?
Reply to  People who are completely corrupt
August 18, 2020 8:56 pm

Dr. Harvey Risch (addresses what is considered medical proof)
Dr. Stephen Smith (infect. Disease specialist)
Dr. Anthony Cardillo
Dr. Simone Gold (https://americasfrontlinedoctorsummit.com/about-us/)
Dr. Zev Zelenko
Dr. Robert Hamilton
Dr. James Todaro (compiled extensive data studies on hydroxy w covid)
Dr. Joseph a. Ladapo
Dr. Richard Urso

To name a few… I have more

Sure. Ready?
Reply to  People who are completely corrupt
August 18, 2020 9:24 pm

(cont.)
Doctors are regulated by the government. They are not in cahoots with those that approve medical protocol and control licensing but are bound by them. To better understand, hear the doctors who went public on hydroxy’s zinc effectiveness and see for yourself what they are dealing with.

really?
Reply to  We
August 18, 2020 2:53 pm

Why doctors? why Rabbonim? they have already spoken – people in CH do not listen. We were told. We have the facts. No one is coming to your house to dress you in a mask. No one is putting a brain in your head to replace the one that G-d gave you and you do not use. Wake up.

Stop with the fear
August 18, 2020 10:21 am

Tons of kids in camps and all is fine now.

Do you take the responsibility
Reply to  Stop with the fear
August 18, 2020 12:38 pm

And therefore you’re willing to take the achrayis to say that we don’t have to be careful? Tons of people drive cars and don’t get killed – so why are you wearing a seat belt??

Neighbor
Reply to  Stop with the fear
August 18, 2020 4:05 pm

kids are not the risk group! it’s the older, and vulnerable people we are more concerned with.

Camp Gan Israel in Plano, Texas
Reply to  Stop with the fear
August 18, 2020 7:45 pm

Camp Gan Israel in Plano, Texas had to close down because of coronavirus. There were also plenty of other camps that had coronavirus small outbreaks.

Essential?
August 18, 2020 10:41 am

Since when is “feeling compelled” enough of a good reason for it to be OK to come to Cr. Hts. For Tishrei?
What happened to “essential international travel only”?

We need to figure out Tishrei
August 18, 2020 10:50 am

Just like every year, there will be, r”l, an influx of uninvited ones — that is, people who will “just show up” with no prearranged place to stay.

It is not enough to say “Refuse to have guests,” b/c on erev YomTov we will then basically have a bunch of homeless people in our midst. THEN what?

We need to figure out REAL solutions to this Tishrei’s upcoming PROBLEM — NOW!

Memory
August 18, 2020 11:54 am

Anyone suffering from memory problems after the virus…..We don’t know how the virus has affected us,that is what scares me .I did not get it badly but I definitely have a problem with my memory since

Evolving effects
Reply to  Memory
August 18, 2020 3:30 pm

The list of lingering maladies from COVID-19 is longer and more varied than most doctors could have imagined. Ongoing problems include fatigue, a racing heartbeat, shortness of breath, achy joints, foggy thinking, a persistent loss of sense of smell, and damage to the heart, lungs, kidneys, and brain……and your neighbors are fine with people catching covid, they think it is a good thing…they think that it is a virus

Stop scaring and start caring
August 18, 2020 12:58 pm

Dr Zillenko treated and prevented complications and fatalities in his large community. Why are our doctors working hard to scare us instead of keeping us safe?
This is a preventable and treatable illness, in spite of what is publicized on the mainstream media.

really?
Reply to  Stop scaring and start caring
August 18, 2020 2:55 pm

Are you insane? People died. Many people. And not just elderly or with underlying disease. Wake up. Young people in our community were hit badly. They will never be the same again. This is not a treatable disease

Unnecessarily
Reply to  really?
August 18, 2020 6:04 pm

Yes people died, but people didn’t need to die… It is very treatable especially within the first 5 days.

Infectious Disease Specialist Dr. Stephen Smith:

“Hydroxychloroquine is the beginning of the end of the pandemic.”

what are your qualifications?
Reply to  Stop scaring and start caring
August 18, 2020 3:31 pm

What qualifies you to proclaim that this is ‘a preventable and treatable illness’??
And why do you suppose the mainstream media is publicizing that it’s not preventable or curable?

Stop scaring and start caring
Reply to  what are your qualifications?
August 18, 2020 4:41 pm

I have spent quite a bit of time actually reading the research papers and statistical data provided by the mainstream as well as the hero doctors who actually treated and prevented their patients from dieing. And I state my opinion confidently.

I have the virus NOW
August 18, 2020 4:11 pm

My family sustained terrible losses from this virus months ago. I did not contract Covid even when living in my home with kids who later had antibodies. I never had antibodies, having tested 3x. And now I have the virus from someone who was not careful to quarantine after an an airplane trip. This was outdoors after he insisted that he had just tested negative for the virus. So I’m here I am, infected and once again in strict lockdown despite being extra cautious for four months. We have never once been indoors without a mask and don’t let anyone… Read more »

Please please don't wait.
Reply to  I have the virus NOW
August 18, 2020 6:00 pm

Get yourself on hydroxy treatment immediately before it can progress further… http://www.speakwithanmd.com

Quercetin is recommended when no hydroxychloroquin
Reply to  I have the virus NOW
August 18, 2020 9:00 pm

dr zelenko recommended quercetin when hydroxychloroquine isnt available. There is a quercetin complex with vit c by solgar. Quercetin is also suggested as a prevention by dr seheult of medcram. He is a lung specialist treating covid in a riverside california hospital

Sure. Ready?
Reply to  Quercetin is recommended when no hydroxychloroquin
August 18, 2020 10:10 pm

With zinc. Check Dr Zev Zelenko’s Twitter for amounts

false positive
Reply to  I have the virus NOW
August 18, 2020 11:20 pm

there is so much testing errors it is not funny..

This is no error
Reply to  false positive
August 19, 2020 8:15 am

I know I was exposed. I feel very ill. Plus I tested positive on both the rapid test and the in depth lab work.

A PUBLIC THANK YOU!
August 18, 2020 10:46 pm

I for one would like to publicly thank the Gedaliah Society for their care, concern, availability, and guidance in these confusing times. I ALWAYS appreciated the updates. I think they are written respectfully, with care and concern, and with as much guidance as they can give, with honesty and humility about the things that are still unknown. I spoke with representatives of the Gedaliah Society several times when I was uncertain with different dilemmas, and things were always explained patiently and clearly, and I so much appreciated their guidance. And all this is done by a group of professionals who… Read more »

Maybe
August 19, 2020 5:54 pm

The doctors don’t know everything. The have made mistakes.
Hospitals have made mistakes.
It’s possible that reinfection is rare.
It’s possible that reinfection Is not dangerous.
It’s possible that those reinfected are not contagious.
Many things are possible.
But we as a community got hit so hard, so many have died, too many became so sick, So many have suffered, shouldn’t we be taking every precaution possible. Especially when its only inconvenience that stops us.
It’s just wearing a mask.
This is not the media or politicians warning us. It’s our own doctors. Our own community leaders.

However
Reply to  Maybe
August 25, 2020 10:54 pm

I hear you. Totally. However what method of prevention will produce the best results? Masks, shawl gloves and hats + Social distancing of 10 feet?
Or
Watching diet, exercising, taking immune supplements?
Pray tell please? Why is noone talking about this?

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