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Can We Talk About Our ‘Gimmel Tammuz’ Reality?

Op-ed By Rosh Yeshiva Rabbi Gershon Avtzon: "It is time for an open and honest discussion about how we educate children, and ourselves, in a temporary but current post-Gimmel Tammuz world." Full Story

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Where is the evidence for these bellives
May 20, 2023 10:08 pm

When its says in taanis daf 5 that yaakov avinu didnt die, it dosnt mean that he is still walking on the streets of chevron.

Indeed
Reply to  Where is the evidence for these bellives
May 21, 2023 9:00 am

Which is part of what R. Avtzon is saying. Read the paragraph beginning “To elaborate.”

but
Reply to  Where is the evidence for these bellives
May 21, 2023 1:51 pm

but it does mean he is alive

Igros
May 20, 2023 10:12 pm

What does it mean to write to Igros Kodesh? I’ve never heard anyone saying that the Rebbe told them to do that. Is that something made up after Gimmel Tamuz?

Not at all
Reply to  Igros
May 21, 2023 9:01 am

Chassidim in Russia did that when they weren’t able to contact the Rebbe through the regular mail.

Yeah... But with One Exception
Reply to  Not at all
May 21, 2023 12:01 pm

The put the letter in the Igros, but they didn’t afterwards open it and consider the page’s letter to be their ansewr

Kosher minhag
Reply to  Igros
May 21, 2023 9:11 am

It’s a kosher minhag begun when Chasidim, including notably Rav Gluckowsky, began learning the Igros as Torah, and noticed answers to questions both personal and communal.

Yungerman
Reply to  Igros
May 21, 2023 9:45 am

There are two parts to your question: 1) putting the letter for the Rebbe in his sefer, and 2) preferring Igros Kodesh over other seforim. Putting the letter in the sefer: this is an age-old custom of chassidim for generations. When you cannot deliver the letter to the Rebbe, you deliver it by putting it in his sefer. For example, in the Rebbe’s famous letter before the first yartzeit of Yud Shevat (dated Rosh Chodesh Shevat 5711), the Rebbe instructs to put the Po”n between the pages of a sefer of the Frediker Rebbe; bringing it to the Ohel is… Read more »

You don't write to the igros
Reply to  Igros
May 21, 2023 10:00 am

You write to the rebbe and if you can’t take it to the rebbe (in today’s days the ohel) you are supposed to store it in one of the Rebbe’s safarim until you can take it. People often use the igros for that and look at the page they opened to to see if there’s an answer

No it's not made up
Reply to  Igros
May 21, 2023 10:03 am

Right before gimmel tammuz the Rebbe rushed the secretariats to print out the Igors kodesh so that we will be able to communicate with the Rebbe because He knew what was going to happen and his chassidim will need it… the Rebbe did it for us!

big mistake
Reply to  Igros
May 21, 2023 1:14 pm

throughout the jewish history when we needed Divine guidance we would look into the Torah, either looking into a sefer, Torah beholds everything even our answers the rebbe would send tanya’s and people would look inside for their answers, Mordechai Hayehudi went to Yeshiva and ask randomly children, what did you learn in Yeshiva, so Igros Kodesh is no new novelty. i understand that 1 group didn’t come up with it ,so they try to knock it down ( oh well , get over it) And to clarify, we dont write into the Igros, we write a letter to the… Read more »

איגרות קודש
Reply to  Igros
July 16, 2023 2:06 pm

My grandparents came from Yemen and they had a custom to opening up the rambam as we do with איגרות קודש.

Bachur
May 20, 2023 10:18 pm

Thank you Rabbi Avtzon for writing. I’m a Bachur after Gimmel Tammuz and the take away line for me is that you acknowledge the 2 feelings and it’s okay to have both feelings similar to how Nimna Hanimnaos. Kind of also the way Hashem is ever present and hasgocho protis together with teva that conceals.

Thank you
May 20, 2023 10:39 pm

Brave of you, and so true.
We need to hear these things not be left to put the pieces together ourselves

A Bochur
May 20, 2023 11:36 pm

The Rebbe spoke to us about his histalkus exactly one time. The Rebbe provided us guidance and hadracha on how chasidim should live in this time. It’s a pelah to me that michanchim and mashpim would rather put forth their own viewpoints (that are often heipich the Rebbe’s rotzon r”l). There is little in what R’ Avtzon writes that seems congruent to what the Rebbe tought us on this. As we near 30 years of our Rebbe’s histalkus, please everyone that is struggling with “gimmel tammuz” learn this. May it bring us all increased hiskashrous and may we be zocha… Read more »

Thanks for sharing.
Reply to  A Bochur
May 21, 2023 2:43 pm

The Rebbe explains that the main thing missing is true understanding of Ein Od Milvado. Moshiach’s job is to help people heal through explaining everything. Sadly, there is so much confusion because lofty ideas where shared in simple language and so many people are tied to their basic understanding especially how it was then given over by people who never understood themselves. Its a shame. The Tanya tries to explain Judaism & Torah through the Posuk Ki Koruv Elecha. The whole Torah & everything we have been taught is not something far away. Its as close to us as it… Read more »

Don't think that's accurate
Reply to  A Bochur
May 21, 2023 4:01 pm

The Rebbe spoke about the concept on more than one occasion..

Sources please
Reply to  Don't think that's accurate
May 22, 2023 4:17 pm

Where else does the Rebbe speak to all chasidim about his histalkus? I’m not talking about concepts or about yimos hamoshiach. I’m asking where the Rebbe addresses directly his own histalkus anywhere but in this sicha?

convo
May 21, 2023 12:16 am

Quite the presumptive headline “…Our Gimmel Tammuz Reality” – as if there’s a universal definition of reality in this topic. (And, other than hope, there’s no longer basis to think that this “…temporary but current” world not last your lifetime and beyond, so “temporary” means what?) This discussion you’d like seems to still not be sufficiently open and honest. 1994 created the questions of what the terms “generation” and “living” and “lifetime” and “rebbe” mean. That’s what needs to be discussed. What they meant pre 1994 was pretty clear. What they mean today, is the discussion. Everyone now is part… Read more »

Ad Masai
May 21, 2023 12:20 am

All I can say is… AD MASAI!!!

Moshiach Now
May 21, 2023 12:39 am

Very well written. Thank you Rabbi Avtzon

I love this article
May 21, 2023 12:42 am

Explained so clearly, logically, and understanding of “both sides”. Thanks for this.
Nice job!

Thank you
May 21, 2023 12:55 am

I really enjoyed this article.
It would be really nice for someone to publicly share an account of the events that led up to the day it self and what it was like on that day?
It’s very odd to me (that does not remember that time) that it is hard to find a yuman written… it plays such a big role in who we are today.

I’m not just referring to the sadness but also how a chosid picked him self up from the state of sadness and strengthened his emunah

It was sad and tragic
Reply to  Thank you
May 21, 2023 9:17 am

Most chassidim (perhaps naively, perhaps emunah peshuta) believed the day would never happen. We believed 27 adar would lead to moshiach.
3 Tammuz ripped chassidim apart. Some were convinced this was the final step and we’re therefore dancing and drinking, others were mourning and crying.
Since then we’re stuck.

There is one I saw
Reply to  Thank you
May 21, 2023 1:16 pm

Rabbi Zalmy Heber wrote something up a few years ago. I’m not sure where to find it but it was a very descriptive yuman of that terrible day

Link to diary
Reply to  Thank you
May 21, 2023 11:08 pm
Finally!!
May 21, 2023 1:08 am

Been waiting to hear someone finally say that it’s okay to not know it all! Since when do Yidden feel the need to know all the details?? We know we have a Rebbe and that in order for the world to be sustained there needs to be a Moshe physically AND we know something happened on gimmel Tammuz. Does that take away anything from the first half? Two truths can exist and we just need to know that we don’t fully understand it yet.

Baruch Hashem!
May 21, 2023 1:21 am

Everyone agrees we have a Rebbe! As someone who grew up post Gimmel Tammuz with the anti chinuch, I feel the absolute betrayal from the suppression of the Dvar Malchus. The sichos are practical and relatable and I can’t get enough. We were gaslighted by being told -“We are living in the most challenging times in all of history.” – “Yechi is problematic” – “Before gimmel Tammuz we would never even think of doing an an aveira” And by omitting that we are in galus but also yemos HaMoshiach. We can do better and we are. This cycle of suppressing… Read more »

I don't agree
Reply to  Baruch Hashem!
May 21, 2023 11:49 pm

Yechi is not problematic

Thank you
May 21, 2023 1:41 am

This needed to be said

People should understand
May 21, 2023 1:45 am

Very well said. Ty for clarifying and putting it in simple words! Mashiach Now!

Yes
May 21, 2023 1:53 am

Thank you, thank you, and thank you.
From a bochur

Beautifully written
May 21, 2023 1:57 am

I feel like in the last few years we have all realized that we can get along with the so-called “other side” and that we are now much more together and accepting of each other. im sure this gives the Rebbe much nachas and we need to continue in a growing way and not let politics get in our way.

Hergesh
May 21, 2023 2:34 am

I goota say col is a good place to let out all your hergeishim

critic
May 21, 2023 2:37 am

Although i agree with the author on most things here and commend him for writing this article i would just like to point out something a bit hypocritical that shows light on the authors bias view point which is; whilst the author is careful to note that he isn’t condeming the opinion that some have not to go to the Ohel ever. he does say “It is also very sad (to say the least) that there are bochurim that don’t visit 770”. why just because he doesnt hold so can he not respect those that hold that the Rebbe is… Read more »

קונטרס
Reply to  critic
May 21, 2023 4:19 pm

The rebbe spoke about the holiness of the place in קונטרס בית רבינו שבבל. that’s why it’s sad.

Imagination?!
May 21, 2023 2:50 am

While I must say it is a very nice article , but to call emuna pshuta of the buchrim that the Rebbe is physically alive in 770 and continues all the activities as regular emagantion? I totally disagree, these buchrim follow what is written in chassidus that when you come to a nisoyon you are not mitchasev it at all .

rubish
Reply to  Imagination?!
May 21, 2023 2:28 pm

So why did none of these guys do these dollars and things after chaf zayen adar? was it not a nisayon?
Why didnt the Rebbe do this stuff about the fridiker Rebbe? The Rebbe himself said that its a nisayon (12 tammuz 5711 and more)

With time
May 21, 2023 3:32 am

Sometimes it feels like with the time, that maybe it’s easier to not publicize all the sichos that are hard to explain to the outside world, and focus on the nice “cute” vertelach from the earlier sichos, the ones that will be accepted by everyone and earn a nice round of applause. However I know this is not the correct approach, and I am trying to work on myself to fully present the Rebbe for who he is, without mixing in my own earthly understanding into it.
Lchaim!

well.
May 21, 2023 3:43 am

as a mechanech i witnessed many students who were on the verge of losing all faith as a result of the approach the author is advocating. They were not able to relate to the concepts the author writes about and because of this felt alienated from faith in general. it important to keep our eyes on the goal; emunah and chayos in hashem torah and chassidus. There are different approaches that work for different people with diverse types of minds. I have seen yeshivos with hanhola members that have different approaches attitudes temperaments and modes of expression regarding such subjects,… Read more »

A Parent
Reply to  well.
May 21, 2023 9:40 am

This mechanech is spot on. It must be addressed and is a matter of pikuach nefesh. I know more than one parent who’s children ended up depressed with years of turmoil and recovery because of the mental gymnastics put forth in this oped. Hashem yishmor.

No discussions the Facts should be Quoted
May 21, 2023 6:24 am

There shouldn’t be discussion around this stuff. Just read what the Rebbe himself said and printed and let everyone make there conclusion. It’s pretty straightforward even if it awkward and embarrassing. Dont ask look up the sources and understand however you understand. Ohr in Kelim , God in the world , nature wont change the world wil continue as is. Mashiach is a change in perspective and awareness

עשה לך רב...
May 21, 2023 7:11 am

I totally agree with the wisdom of Rabbi Avtzon….however if I may add
The Rebbe wanted that each should have a rav to guide him……in the present darkness …when we physically don’t see and hear the Rebbe…
Perhaps a rav or Mashpia can set things staright… ולא יעשה דברי רבינו כשתי תורות ח”ו

Very nice
May 21, 2023 7:56 am

-But your from the before Gimmel Tamuz generation

thank you rabbi avtzon
May 21, 2023 1:06 pm

ABOUT TIME WE SPEAK ABOUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS HOLDING ON TIGHT TO OUR EMUNAH AT THESE LAST MOMENTS WHEN THE “TZAD SHEKENEGED” IS DOING EVERYTHING TO STOP US FROM HOLDING ON AND FOCUSING ON WHAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO!

All questions on this matter stem from ignorance
May 21, 2023 1:12 pm

Firstly, great article – this needed to be said. I believe the fact our mechanchim are failing in this area is because ‘disagreement’ comes from the ‘top’ – the fact thar there are 2 kinusim is embarrassing. The Rebbe clearly told us bringing Moshiach requires “combining the lights of tohu with the keilim of tikun” and what have we done? One side of chabad took the lights of tohu and the other took side the keilim of tikun – the exact thing the Rebbe told us NOT to do. In my years of studying after Yeshiva (which did nothing to… Read more »

Hilchos Deos

You are correctly quoting Rambam Hilchos Deos Perek Alef, Halacha Daled.

Maybe you can clarify the next halacha, which says that a Chassid does deviate to one extreme?

Looking forward to a warm discussion 🙂

Rambam quoted here for convenience: “The pious of the early generations would bend their temperaments from the intermediate path towards [either of] the two extremes. For some traits they would veer towards the final extreme, for others, towards the first extreme. This is referred to as [behavior] beyond the measure of the law.”

What dr feldman a"h said
May 21, 2023 3:06 pm

I asked dr feldman if it was crazy thinking that i got answers at the ohel. This was dr feldman’s answer. ” you have no idea of the power of the ohel.” Dr feldman told me the rebbe was still sending him patients. He told me the story of a mother desperate for a cure for her sick child who had never heard of dr feldman. At the ohel she understood she had to take her child to dr feldman and had to ask who dr feldman was Dr feldman cured the child The rebbe said he would find a… Read more »

Mashgiach reality
May 21, 2023 8:46 pm

See ס׳ מאמרי אדמו״ר הזקן תקס״ח עמ׳ רפ״ג
& the pages preceding it

Living with the Contradiction
May 21, 2023 11:22 pm

Interestingly, the famous question of why Akeidas Yitzchak was the final and most difficult challenge of Avrohom Avinu is met with many answers. After all, this was a direct communication by Hashem. Throughout Jewish history, many Jews gave up their lives and their childrens’ lives Al Kiddush Hashem, and they weren’t commanded directly from Hashem as Avrahom was. So what was Avrohom’s Nisoyon? Some explain that it was the ‘Vayashkeim Avrohom Baboker’s attitude of Avrohom demonstrating Avrohom’s Zerizus and excitement in fulfilling this Mitzvah. Others say that it was Avrohom not questioning Hashem of the promise that was made how… Read more »

Russia
May 22, 2023 1:36 am

In Russia they made a fake train and who joined that train eventually left Russia
That’s how I connect to dollar activities…

Snag
Reply to  Russia
May 22, 2023 4:25 pm

Who made a fake train?

Thank you Rabbi Avtzon
May 22, 2023 2:35 am

This article is spot on, and addressed a lot of the confusion I had as a bochur a few years ago

None of this reflects my experience
May 22, 2023 6:18 am

I have a nephew in Chabad. In his company, I’ve been to the Ohel twice and left requests for the Rebbe. I received nothing remotely resembling an answer – nor did I have any sort of “feeling” while I was there. As an unobservant Jew, these experiences did nothing to lead me toward either observance or any sort of belief. If anyone responds to this (if it even gets posted), it will of course involve my being told that I didn’t receive a reply because I didn’t believe, or that the Rebbe did reply but I lacked the “emunah” to… Read more »

Bochur
Reply to  None of this reflects my experience
May 22, 2023 12:52 pm

In response, Honestly, I also don’t necessarily Feel anything specific when I go to the Ohel, I’m not trembling of awe or excited, [I hear the stories of people going into Yechidus or going by the Rebbe by dollars and they are overwhelmed or very much focused, I try to compare it to when I go into the ohel, but visiting the stone walls aren’t so conducive to too much feeling] But what I do know, [and I get this from hearing stories of how the Rebbe went to the Ohel and seeing what the Rebbe wrote about it], is… Read more »

The truth is
Reply to  None of this reflects my experience
May 23, 2023 3:39 am

Rebbe didn’t come up to do favors for us so we could relax and live a stress free life. He’s our Rebbe to tell us what to do to change the world. Be there for every Jew no matter the level of observance or where they happen to be in the world. Learn technology to do good things with it. Teach non Jews that there’s a place for them instead of sheltering from anyone that does not look like us. And if it gets tough to carry this all out then we can ask for help but any possible help… Read more »

Why Not By Our Rebbe
May 22, 2023 7:04 pm

Some of you may have read the Sefer Ashkavta D’rebbi, a diary that a Ben Bayis by the Rebbe Rashab wrote, describing in outstanding detail and clarity the lead up and Histalkus of the Rebbe Rashab.I think it would be amazing if someone were to write one about Gimmel Tammuz.

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