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Boston Shliach Suggests Congregants Bring Guns To Shul

A Shliach in Boston has asked congregants to consider bringing guns to Shul as a form of protection in response to recent shootings at synagogues across the country. Full Story

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Every Jew a 22?
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Every Jew a 22?

Time to leave America?

to go where?
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to go where?

at least in America, Jews are allowed to defend themselves

Second Amendment
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Second Amendment

For the time being… If we get a Democrat president, watch out for the second amendment. It is already so viciously under attack…

Training
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Training

Good for him! For the safety of his congregant, especially those that are armed, they must get the proper training. They should bring out people like Candid Solutions (www.candid-solutions.com) who understand the dynamics of a shul, especially a Chabad House, who have successfully trained safety and security teams. This includes teams that are made up of former military and law enforcement but especially those who don’t have this background. It is vital for every Chabad House and Shul to have people like Candid Solutions come out and do a vulnerability assessment, write a emergency response plan, teach congregants, and train… Read more »

Great idea but
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Great idea but

Better consult a Rav
Rav Braun already made statements in regards to carrying firearms on Shabbos

Where can we see his statement?
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Where can we see his statement?

Thanks in advance…

Daily
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Daily

It only mentioned daily services.

I asked years ago
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I asked years ago

Granted, my community has an eruv. That is the main issue. The gun itself is not muksah. It’s the carrying. Once my rav heard that we have an eruv that we use anyway, I was told I’m allowed to carry.

Curious
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Curious

What did he say?

If there is no kosher eruv where you live
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If there is no kosher eruv where you live

If there is no kosher eruv where you live, consult your rav as to whether you can carry a firearm to and from shul. If the rav says you can’t carry to and from, you can still store firearms in the shul (SECURELY PLEASE!!!) and people can put them on when they arrive and take them off again before leaving. This will leave you and your family defenseless going back and forth (although if that is a serious danger where you live the rav may permit carrying to and from even without an eruv), but at least you will be… Read more »

Warped
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Warped

Look how we talk about if there is an eruv or can you carry with or without, is utterly comical, being the whole issue is about life threatening precautions and sakonos.

yes you go ask you shailos – the smart ones here know what they need to do already. Kudos to this shliach.

It's not "warped"
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It's not "warped"

It’s not “warped”. My understanding is that permission to carry without an eruv depends on how dangerous the situation is generally perceived to be. Bearing in mind that (unless local law holds otherwise) you can still have firearms in the shul, if going back and forth is not inherently dangerous it will probably be paskened to store the firearm in shul. However if the neighborhood itself is inherently very dangerous (for example, I hear that in Brussels the Jews hire armed guards to walk them to and from shul), it may be paskened that it’s ok to carry.

I wrote the above and forgot to mention something.
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I wrote the above and forgot to mention something.

In some localities it is illegal to have a firearm in a house of worship. In some other localities it may be illegal to have a firearm anywhere other than one’s home. My above comment would not apply to such cases. The only localities I am personally familiar with are California and Arizona. In California you can be armed in a house of worship provided you have permission from the cleric or board of directors, depending on the administrative structure, EVEN IF YOU DON’T HAVE A CARRY PERMIT (which in many counties regular people can’t get). In Arizona there are… Read more »

Mezuzas
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Mezuzas

Glad to see this being the response. Cannot lose sight though of what has and will always protect us as Jews. Poway had 3 mezuzas pasul with many more needing work done and some were in the wrong place during the shooting.

Pasul?
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Pasul?

Do You have a source for this information?

Mezuzas
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Mezuzas

I was there at the time of the shooting and have been in touch with the shluchim since it happened. I hope they take care of it soon.

Mezouzos
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Mezouzos

In Tsfas, years ago, the Rebbe asked to check the mezouzos in the dorm where 17 children were murdered by terrorists Hyd
17 mezouzos were found posul
In Poway 3 mezouzos were posul
Chabad should start a Super aggressive mezouzos and tefilin campaign considering the security situation all over the world and especially in the US and ch

Good Defense
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Good Defense

If you are going to carry weapons, do you have adequate emergency medical supplies such as material for tourniquet and tape. In the U.S. military, sanitary napkins (highly absorbent) and carpet tape were used in some situations. What is your strategy to stop bleeding? Thank you, a former P.A.

sanitary napkins
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sanitary napkins

I don’t know if there is a difference between how sanitary napkins and tampons are made, but tampons, a sort of “old wives tale” for gunshot wounds, are 100% the wrong solution — what is needed is to encourage the blood to clot (except for a chest wound), tampons encourage the blood to flow freely. Every shul should have tourniquets, quick-clot, and chest seals, AND TRAINING IN HOW TO USE THESE AND OTHER FIRST-AID ITEMS. Realize that a person can bleed out in as little as 30 seconds, the paramedics will not get there that fast and even if they… Read more »

Security?
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Security?

How about investing in real security?

eiruv
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eiruv

Boston has a perfectly kosher Eruv and a lot of people in our shul use that Eruv

Bostonian
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Bostonian

Shaloh House got two federal safety grants and invested over $200K in physical security. Shock resistant windows, doors, 36 cameras and 6 panic devices (including 3 wireless). Step #1 – Physical security is completed.

Get with the program
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Get with the program

Why haven’t Chabad rabbonim not followed suit.

Where I live, the rov publically said that “if you don’t feel safe in shul stay home….guns are muktza, no heter!”

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