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    ‘Bochurim Played Cards at Airport’

    From the COLlive inbox: A clip posted on social media showed bochurim playing cards at LaGuardia Airport. I was one of them. Full Story

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    Im very confused!
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    Im very confused!

    I saw the video yesterday on instagram, it was so nice! I actually remarked that it was such a kiddush hashem how the bochurim were learning and sitting together. I think you are being overly judgemental on someone who just wanted to share something nice with others. I think you have something to learn about being kind and judging others favorably (just my humble opinion.).

    Resident
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    Resident

    Social media breeds jealousy ! Causes damage to relationships and hundred other damages! I can go on and on . A shiduch is rejected because of some outdated picture of a girl so now she is ” nerdy” . Our children need to find “likes” on Facebook and the sick world of instagram . Instead of ” likes” in our home

    Couldn't agree more with #1
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    Couldn't agree more with #1

    Also saw it and thought OMG this is so nice the boys are setting together and not on their phones, some were seeing learning Dvar malchus, etc. Was Mamas kiddush Ashem!

    To #1
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    To #1

    You’re trying to justify it? Why? They asked you not to post so don’t. Don’t come up with reasons why you think it’s better. To borrow the phrase from the Navi “halo shemoa tov mizevach tov” just respect people that’s it. Respect. Don’t decide things for others.

    shocked
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    shocked

    i am shocked! you are being too righteous for not blaming this man. How dare?? this is really shocking and I wish you guys the best

    Exaggerate much?
    Guest
    Exaggerate much?

    A bit dramatic if you ask me.
    The video clip was harmless and did not hurt anyone. Thats not to say that social media can be quite bad in many ways, but this did not warrant this response.

    To #1
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    To #1

    You make a good point. But the writer was pretty clear that they had asked that the video NOT be posted.

    In a public area you can request not to be videoed
    Guest
    In a public area you can request not to be videoed

    But there is no law preventing it.

    Lessons:
    Guest
    Lessons:

    Hashem is always watching, just like smartphones.
    And social media stinks. Ruins lives in a blink of an eye.

    Just wondering
    Guest
    Just wondering

    What’s wrong with poker and blackjack?

    Entertainment
    Guest
    Entertainment

    Man, these COL articles these days are pure fire! Such entertainment these days.
    LOL

    Another lesson you should learn.
    Guest
    Another lesson you should learn.

    As a Yungerman who is BH busy all the time with family and all other obligations of a father/married person, I can tell you that the best “spiritual vacation” I have is when I need to travel; in the airport, on the plane… I take a few Seforim and learn / read.
    What exactly is a whole group of Temimim doing without any Shiyrim or Chitas Rambam to learn?!
    I can’t imagine the Nachas Ruach for The Rebbe that Bochurim (who are already wasting precious Seder time to travel to a wedding) couldn’t find anything better to do.

    Terrible
    Guest
    Terrible

    There are still many people who don’t appreciate social media. If the bocher said don’t post it then he should have respected that. Look how people misjudged what cards the bochurim were playing. Pure Loshen Hara, yes loshen hara on social media.

    Lesson..
    Guest
    Lesson..

    And the most important lesson for all of us is…

    וְהִנֵּה ה’ נִצָּב עָלָיו וּמְלֹא כָּל הָאָרֶץ כְּבוֹדוֹ וּמַבִּיט עָלָיו וּבוֹחֵן כְּלָיוֹת וָלֵב, אִם עוֹבְדוֹ כָּרָאוּי.

    Wow
    Guest
    Wow

    That wasn’t nice on the part of the guy videoing. maybe on our part it’s a lesson that as a lubavutcher we represent the Rebbe wherever we are and along with the incredible zchus comes a responsiblty we have to know our every action is being watched and we are being represented.

    my every move is being watched
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    my every move is being watched

    you seem to be very concerned with being watched by insensitive people, but life is remarkably better when one is only concerned with THE ONE AND ONLY who knows it all long before humans supposedly had some of these abilities. We should make sure we don’t embarrass ourselves by embarrassing HKBH

    Stop caring what people think
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    Stop caring what people think

    It’s 2018 and yes there is social media and it may or may not be a good thing that is up to debate. But if you know you did nothing wrong why do you care what people think or say about you. Do you really think you are gonna lose out on a job opportunity or a shiduch cause they think you play cards. If that’s why you think you lost out let me tell you’ve dodged a major bullet. Stop caring what others think or say. Literally no one cares even if you were playing cards and if they… Read more »

    @number11
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    @number11

    And the comments are the fuel.
    Oy, what have we come to…

    shocked
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    shocked

    I’m shocked no one suggested a shidduch for this author

    Good advice, wrong target
    Guest
    Good advice, wrong target

    While I do agree that this oped is correct regarding certain videos that are shared via social media that are mean, cruel and/or shame or embarass someone, I don’t agree that it applies to the person who took this video. It was an innocent situation and an innocent video.

    I feel ya...
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    I feel ya...

    This writer is right. An innocent activity may still not be meant for the whole word. Nothing to be ashamed of, better than each guy sitting alone on his phone, but after a polite request not to post, it’s not nice that the video was posted. Not mentchlich.

    Both Sides
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    Both Sides

    I can see this from both perspectives. In my opinion, it was a breath of fresh air to see no phones glued to ears and people having a little fun but if the person was asked not to post it…then I think the request was reasonable. Unfortunately, in the world of social media, common courtesy isn’t all that common.

    To #10
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    To #10

    A lot of Jewish believe that the symbols on the cards are tumah (Impure) and therefore they felt it was insults.

    Comment 19
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    Comment 19

    The shadchonim are busy watching the video

    Loshen Hara
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    Loshen Hara

    The problem is the very reason why he didn’t want it posted. It’s nobody’s business what the Bochurim were doing. Maybe they were learning 12hrs straight and needed a break. Stop judging them. The bocher said just a few minutes after being posted he got calls on his phone. Leave them alone.

    Funny thought
    Guest
    Funny thought

    Wouldn’t it be awesome if collive was Lubavitch online instead of Chabad online? I mean, lollive.com… you can’t beat a name like that. And it would fit what happens on col everyday perfectly.

    Great lesson,
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    Great lesson,

    Two things I want to say, might be opposites
    Yes great lesson to teach our children, nowadays u Can t hide anything, anything u do will be known
    Secondly, a picture is still not proof of wrongdoing, if u think playing cards is a waste of time, bochurim shoukd be on to better stuff, how do we know if this wasn’t exactly wht they should be yes doing in order to warm up to someone in the group thst needed just thst. Maybe this was vital. There are always things we don’t know from behind the scenes!

    Yossi.
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    Yossi.

    The writer is 10000% right.
    BTW
    People say that I’m always on social media. Funny how I didn’t see the clip yesterday.

    Let people live
    Guest
    Let people live

    If someone explicitly asks not to post something, what gave you right to post it?! This goes not just for social media but for teachers who think it’s “cute” to send pictures or videos “ just to parents”. If a person requests to have something delete it, be a Mentch and just delete it!

    Can someone please explain this to my friend V
    Guest
    Can someone please explain this to my friend V

    He is very confused as in what’s going on please can someone spread some light on this subject.

    Lazer
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    Lazer

    Can someone PLEASE post the clip that we can see what’s the whole issue about?

    All three sides of the coin are silly...
    Guest
    All three sides of the coin are silly...

    Whether your taking the video and posting or whether your worried about what people will say about you playing a card game. Or posting now about which side is right are all immature and wasteful. Three levels of shallow. Mind blowing.

    A group of young adult men, all with uniform white shirts &
    Guest
    A group of young adult men, all with uniform white shirts &

    black pants, sitting on the floor in a circle in a very public area ‘will’ attract attention, only natural. So if you want your privacy honored be a little more discreet. Aside from that I personally appreciated the idea of seeing the human side of rabbinical students life revealed. Makes me feel personally more connected & better. Just the perspective of a simple yid.

    Comment#30
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    Comment#30

    Reminded me of a story
    A chossid came to a Rebbe asking a question for his friend. In truth it was his own question. The Rebbe responded, why can’t your friend ask me himself and say it’s the question of his friend.

    If you have a problem with people posting...
    Guest
    If you have a problem with people posting...

    …what you’re doing publicly,
    it shows that deep inside you feel it wasn’t proper to act so, a group of full bearded Chabad Tmimim sitting on the floor and playing cards.
    You know that a oilemsher would look down on the whole Chabad Philosophy if this is the result that chabad chasidus is offering…
    My question to you is, what’s the difference if your actions are watched by a passerby or an online watcher ?

    You probably ment that famous vort “what happen in vegas stays in vegas…”

    There is a different girsah “What happens in vegas stay on YouTube” Lol

    Good morning....
    Guest
    Good morning....

    I think it’s high time that as Lubavitchers we realize that we are always watched, always judged, and ALWAYS taking the Rebbe where we go… if it’s on mivtzoyim or on the floor in the airport playing UNO. Don’t for a minute think that they the world does not see the skirt which is inching up or the second open button on the bochers shirt… ( could someone explain that to me? What is so attractive about an undershirt or tzitzis showing or even worse… not) Let’s take the Rebbe where he deserves to be taken!

    Well...
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    Well...

    You seem like a pretty chasidish bochur. You call yourself and your friends ‘eltere bachurim’ and are furious that anyone should Chas vsholom ‘rachmana ltzlan’ think you were playing cards, which is not allowed. And yet, you have no problem attacking another Jew publicly using nastiest, harshest terms. Maybe I don’t or the other readers dont know who you are talking about, but he certainly does, and I’m sure you’ve embarrassed him greatly. Seems you have a lot to learn about the true meaning of being a frum chasidish bachur. This includes ahavas yisroel. This behavior is what really turns… Read more »

    To #35
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    To #35

    Wow much intelligence there.
    Perhaps eating is also not a proper act, for most people (including yourself) would not want to be video eating and surely not posted on social media.
    The rest of your comment has just way to much brains going into it to even refute but I’m happy you feel good about yourself with you wize comment…
    No more needed!

    Reb Mendel
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    Reb Mendel

    Futerfas taught “No Private” as a way of life and it turned out to be a prophecy.

    To #37
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    To #37

    A person who spreads lashon hara (yes social media is the worst type of it) would get tzaras for everyone to see Abd know about so they can learn hear and fare למען ישמעו למען יראו… oh and btw he wasn’t publicly attacked for there is no name rather he’ll be able to read it and hopefully realize his mistake and learn from it.. Your Clearly a unlearned Jew… so perhaps remaining silent would be a better option… But thanks for sharing your ameratzes. We’re used to those on Collive comments;) Probably had you been playing uno instead of hanging… Read more »

    Who cares ??
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    Who cares ??

    Is between you and Hashem , you play UNO in your spare time enjoy, may all scandals be like this please Hashem , we are to busy hunting predators, hearing of abuse substance etc…
    May this be the worst any bochur do and this will be an amazing world..

    Number32
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    Number32

    But the one telling everyone how “immature” “wasteful” and “shallow” they are, is mamesh none of the above.
    Moshiach now.

    Guys give up!
    Guest
    Guys give up!

    Guys give up now the whole world knows you played Uno…..the shame you are living through is unspeakable….. YOUR LIVES ARE DESTROYED!!!
    there’s no way back from here!

    Dreidel
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    Dreidel

    NY State Drpartment of Educstion think that yeshiva bochurim only know how to learn Torah. Show them the video and get the off the yeshivas backs. Mi Kamocha Ba’eilim Hashem. Uno means one- there is only one G-d.

    #41
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    #41

    Amen!

    What's with all the hate??????
    Guest
    What's with all the hate??????

    These bochrim obviously felt that this video could harm them from the way it was described. They are not embarrassed for playing uno rather it being told to the public as cards. Give them some slack, get off your high horse to anyone giving a negative comment and let them be……….

    Enjoy the chassunah!
    Guest
    Enjoy the chassunah!

    Well enjoy the chassunah and popular chosson to have so many chaveirim coming to his chassunah
    May we merit moshiach speedily in our days!

    Relax
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    Relax

    It puts a smile on people’s faces to see a group of bochurim hanging out together, enjoying, while waiting for their flight. Surely, the guy who posted wasn’t trying to disrespect or infringe on your privacy. It was a public place and he was likely just trying to share something light hearted and sweet, for a change. As soon as he realised you werent ok w it, it was taken down. Nobody has the slightest issue with a bunch of guys playing a game on their way to a wedding…in fact its cute and refreshing. Any comments reflecting otherwise, are… Read more »

    Public
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    Public

    When a bochur has free time, must he learn?
    When someone asks someone else to do a favor must they do the favor?
    TO each thier own opinion.

    What seem not arguable (to me) is that if I do something in a very public place in a very public way, I cannot expect to have any control over what others do with my spectacle.

    To #37
    Guest
    To #37

    Please get a life my friend have a cig and go see a therapist regarding ur hang ups with “Chassidish people”.
    With love a fellow collive reader.
    :*

    shabsi chicago
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    shabsi chicago

    at least 40 years ago, I was at Lag airport, M’S’K, waiting for my weather delayed plane to leave. It didn’t go until Sun morning, but that’s not the story. There were about a half dozen bocherim, early twenties. They sat on chairs, stuck quarters in and watched television. UNTIL, R’ _______, a chusover shliach, came by looking for his delayed flight. Boy, did these kids jump and run to other seats! I think the aitzie ha’rah also ran out of the airport. The Rebbes Kudisha frightened him away. I don’t know what this card game is. Question: Is it… Read more »

    #17, you are so wrong
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    #17, you are so wrong

    Bocher was playing Uno
    It was posted as “playing cards”, and we all know what that means
    Someone rheds him a shiduch
    Parents ask for references
    CHAS V’SHALOM if the following were to happen
    Someone who saw the post on Instagram says, “be careful. He was gambling at the airport. I saw the video on line!”
    Parents think he can’t be a good match for their aidele frum daughter.
    Bye bye shiduch
    Stop posting thinks that can destroy lives just so you can have a few minutes of fun

    A fellow yid videoing
    Guest
    A fellow yid videoing

    What ever happened to “ma toivu ohulecha yaakov mishkenosecha yisroel” which we say every morning in davening?!?
    Reading the comments make it clear that sadly many people are desensitized on what it means to keep your nose out of other people’s business which is supposed to be a major value of the Jewish people.
    The one that took the video was wrong.

    Fan
    Guest
    Fan

    שיחת חולין של תלמידי חכמים

    No, this is wrong period.
    Guest
    No, this is wrong period.

    To all of the above comments, I think one important factor is missing and that is these are the top bochrim in lubavitch. Each one of these boys have tens in not hundreds of mushpaim and followers. Each action they take has serious repercussions and they know that. They might be playing uno cards but their followers will use real cards. They might be doing it in the airport, but their followers will do it in a bar vechulu. I’m a shadchan and I’ve studied each of these boys intently but now I have a whole different view on the… Read more »

    Can I just say that
    Guest
    Can I just say that

    I love bochurim.
    They’re the best. The stuff they do, the genius they have, or that they are totally lacking… to the smart Bochurim- please share some of your private life with us so we can enjoy and learn.

    Number 12
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    Number 12

    Get off your high horse. Were you such an innocent bochur back in the day? Did you never “waist time” travelling to weddings? Did you always have a sefer with you? And remember not all bochurim are the same so don’t go judging.

    Other videos
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    Other videos

    I have other videos of those boys, which I will not post because I was asked not to, but it’s a shame you all can’t see them. It’s a video of some of those boys present dressed up as Antiochus, soldiers and Chana’s sons being dragged away as Release Time kids watch on. Or the video I have of other of these boys visiting families of those children, helping them light their menorahs and dancing and singing with them and their families instead of joining their siblings in Crown Heights at their own families Chanukah parties. Or what about the… Read more »

    CH Mother
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    CH Mother

    I think this young man expressed himself very politely, both to the man who took the photo and here, in this col post. I personally agree with his point, that one should respect the request of someone asking NOT to be posted on social media. And his point about social media having negative net impact on our lives.

    Larry
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    Larry

    The problem I see here is people are always thinking what other people are saying about them.in public or in private as a religious Jew and a normal human bing You have to behave a certain way before Instagram existed and after Instagram existed sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder who cares what people think if you are doing the right thing.those that want to twist stories will twist stories those that are always judgemental will always be judgmental no matter how many times we say or tell people that what you see is not nesserily what… Read more »

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