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People have been saying....
January 11, 2021 1:12 pm

Signal is better for now… not as many features as WhatsApp but pretty private.

WhatsApp is private too
Reply to  People have been saying....
January 11, 2021 2:20 pm

You have end-to-end encryption. Unlike what most people think, WhatsApp has no access to your chats. They have very little and useless information about you.

True
Reply to  WhatsApp is private too
January 11, 2021 2:55 pm

The whole privacy panic is overrated, by people who don’t understand anything about what information is collected and how it’s even used.
And meanwhile everyone is still using Gmail, Google Maps, YouTube, Google, Chrome, lol.

Bye then
Reply to  True
January 11, 2021 3:29 pm

so start by using less

It's way more complicated...
Reply to  True
January 12, 2021 12:49 pm

Unfortunately, this is incorrect. Your personal data is very valuable. It’s not overrated, it’s about time… What you do on your device, what you purchase, who you connect with, for how long, where you were when you did it. These are the data-points that profile you and is very valuable, perhaps not uniquely, but enough demographically to profile individuals and groups by city block or house on it. When that information filters what you find online, what news you get, it has tremendous power to shift perception. With no business value to speak of, why did FB pay Billions for… Read more »

Anonynmous
Reply to  It's way more complicated...
January 13, 2021 4:23 am

Google already knows all that. And they didn’t announce any of it.

Some information for you...
Reply to  WhatsApp is private too
January 11, 2021 3:06 pm

Firstly, the end-to-end encryption cannot be verified because WhatsApp is not open source (the code is not available to the public), so, you just need to take their word for it when they tell you messages are encrypted (and anything else they tell you). Secondly, backups are not encrypted. And, all backups are managed by a third party, Apple (iCloud) or Google (Drive), and are stored in plain text (unencrypted), meaning WhatsApp and Google/Apple have full access to all your messages, assuming they’re backed-up (most people back them up). Lastly, compared to Telegram and Signal, WhatsApp has substantially more information… Read more »

Incorrect
Reply to  Some information for you...
January 11, 2021 4:16 pm

WhatsApp does not have any access to information on your phone, any more than Signal and telegram does. The “purchase history” and “payment info” that they have access to is referring to the purchases you make INSIDE WhatsApp, just like any store knows your purchase history at THAT store, and the payment information that they have is only the payment information that YOU choose to use INSIDE WhatsApp. But WhatsApp does not have access to your private information from other apps. That’s simple basics of app security. It’s simply not possible. Location permission does not need to be given for… Read more »

Scary How Many People Claimed WhatsApp is Private
Reply to  Incorrect
January 12, 2021 7:06 am

I don’t blame you when you don’t know how it works. WhatsApp collects your location based on your IP when your GPS is not available. And basically WhatsApp collects a lot more than you can imagine. In fact, ever since Facebook bought WhatsApp, they started collecting. You can easily see that if you are on both Facebook and WhatsApp, you would see Facebook started suggesting your contacts but you never share your contact list with Facebook. The recent statement about privacy change is basically a legal statement to cover their butt about “okay now we are officially taking your data… Read more »

what a joke
Reply to  Scary How Many People Claimed WhatsApp is Private
January 12, 2021 11:29 am

You care about privacy and you have Facebook?? Lol
WhatsApp collects nothing compared to the notorious Facebook platform. And it’s been that way for a decade already. So it’s funny you have Facebook and complain about WhatsApp

I actually read the terms
Reply to  Scary How Many People Claimed WhatsApp is Private
January 12, 2021 7:43 pm

WhatsApp clearly states and reiterates over and over that your contacts are not shared. If you can prove that they are pure lying about that clear detail, you can make big headlines.

Felix Martin jr.
Reply to  WhatsApp is private too
January 12, 2021 7:55 am

Facebook just changed their tos, they are now collecting that end to end encrypted message and saving it just like all other facebook data. This is why Elon musk said try the Signal app. He didn’t say use telegram, that’s just for —-.

Don’t go back to WhatsApp whatever you do. Just find the alt tech that works for you. Signal and gab are currently our best choices, not the do nothing mentality of the author.

really?
Reply to  Felix Martin jr.
January 12, 2021 11:18 am

Do you know what end to end encryption means?

Anonynmous
Reply to  People have been saying....
January 13, 2021 4:23 am

Do you have a google account? Do you know how much google knows about you? I don’t think so, because they know about everything.
And believe me. WhatsApp could have had access to your account without telling you, they are just making it official now.
Make your life easier and stay on WhatsApp

I believe telegram is hostile toward conservatives
Reply to  People have been saying....
January 19, 2021 7:57 pm

Headed to Signal. I watched conservative channel after channel go down on Telegram. Yet antifa’s stayed up. It was unbelievable. People warned in comments about the admin’s behaviour, but I didn’t listen!

Get Signal
January 11, 2021 1:13 pm

Get signal, no advertisements, it was created solely for the purpose of privacy end to end encryption.

Some information for you...
Reply to  Get Signal
January 11, 2021 3:07 pm

Signal was also created by the co-founder of WhatsApp, Brian Acton, after a disagreement with Zuckerberg who wanted to monetize WhatsApp.

Get Signal
January 11, 2021 1:14 pm

You only speak of Telegram, what is wrong with Signal?

NO STATUSES :-(
Reply to  Get Signal
January 11, 2021 2:22 pm

Besides missing features, this is dividing everyone. It was great having everyone on one platform

so silly
January 11, 2021 1:22 pm

that’s ridiculous I have been using telegram for the last 5 years way before I used what’s app you can change the last seen just like WhatsApp and no it doesn’t go straight to top WhatsApp also asked you to put a name what a joke, they only ask once to verify and not even just like WhatsApp they send a code through text and that thing about nearby ppl I have never gotten that and once again you can also turn it off by settings ,stop trying to find the bad in everything cuz there will always be something… Read more »

Not true
Reply to  so silly
January 11, 2021 3:01 pm

You CANNOT control last seen. You can choose not to sort YOUR list by last seen, but everyone can still see when YOU were last seen “just now” / “a while ago” etc. The article mentioned this. Why is a privacy-based app even asking for a name altogether? The name for the users will display whatever they have in their contacts, so why are they asking for my name? You actually cannot remove “Nearby” (you can turn off location, but then the teenager can turn it back on, where’s the safety in that?) You cannot remove the Channels feature which… Read more »

Not not true
Reply to  Not true
January 12, 2021 11:17 am

Please inform yourself of the facts
https://telegram.org/faq#q-can-i-hide-my-last-seen-time

Every app asks for your name, WhatsApp Telegram and even Signal.

There’s kosher versions of Telegram that remove all that stuff.

Didn't post
January 11, 2021 1:22 pm

You didn’t post anything about Signal…

True
Reply to  Didn't post
January 11, 2021 2:25 pm

I think the article was about Telegram

okay, what about...
January 11, 2021 1:25 pm

Signal?

What about...
Reply to  okay, what about...
January 11, 2021 2:25 pm

WhatsApp where everyone is already?

Wait. What...?
January 11, 2021 1:29 pm

All of those features are opt in. They can all be turned off. Each one.

Exactly
Reply to  Wait. What...?
January 11, 2021 1:48 pm

Sounds like this person doesn’t know the 1st thing about “settings”

You are incorrect
Reply to  Exactly
January 11, 2021 2:39 pm

You can’t opt out from sending YOUR broadcast message to everyone when YOU join.
You can’t out out of “Channels” which lets anyone search for anything, totally unfiltered.
You cannot usefully block the Nearby feature.
You can’t opt out from providing a name, sure you can lie about your name or just put an emoji.
You can’t opt out from people seeing your “Last Seen”, you can only opt out from sharing the exact minute.

Mostly
Reply to  Wait. What...?
January 11, 2021 2:09 pm

Not finding new groups who can post anything. There is real smutz there that no filter can block.

Wrong
Reply to  Wait. What...?
January 11, 2021 2:12 pm

1) When you sign up for Telegram, they will RIGHT AWAY send out the broadcast message from your phone to all your contacts about your joining. There is no chance to turn that off not to get sent out. 2) You can choose to not sort YOUR OWN contacts list by last seen, but all your contacts are still able to sort THEIR lists by last seen and there goes your privacy. 3) “People Nearby” feature cannot be removed, and even if it CAN be removed there’s still a real issue that it’s there, and there by default. Don’t underestimate… Read more »

Response to wrong
Reply to  Wrong
January 12, 2021 11:21 am

1) agreed
2) read the facts you can sort by those who were online in the last 3 days you can turn off your last seen. Read the facts.
https://telegram.org/faq#q-can-i-hide-my-last-seen-time
3) the nisyonos are there, don’t use telegram, but if you need it use the kosher versions.

Do you work for WhatsApp??
January 11, 2021 1:39 pm

Respectfully, I have been on Telegram for a very long time now, way before the WhatsApp issues arose.
All of those ‘problems’ you mentioned – are completely controllable! You don’t have to know when someone joins Telegram (unless your settings ask to be informed) and if you don’t turn your location on, you won’t be part of any groups. As to the other stuff, same as WhatsApp.
Telegram is a multi-platform app – which means you can have it on many types of devices, unlike WhatsApp.
Learn how to use the app properly – it’s way better than WhatsApp!

No. The problems are NOT controllable
Reply to  Do you work for WhatsApp??
January 11, 2021 2:44 pm

The issue isn’t me knowing when someone else joins, the issue is that they broadcast a message about ME when I join, without asking me, and that CANNOT be stopped.
Also, how do you disable the ability to browse channels for inappropriate content?
Also, WhatsApp supports all platforms btw, seems you didn’t know. Oh they don’t support Palm Pilots, sorry.

Response
Reply to  No. The problems are NOT controllable
January 12, 2021 11:23 am

Use a kosher version of Telegram if need be.
WhatsApp doesn’t have multi device support, meaning you can have it simultaneously running on your computer and phone without needing either device. It can be just on the PC as well.

WhatsApp is more secure in this aspect
Reply to  Response
January 12, 2021 7:46 pm

WhatsApp ensures that you have access to your phone before they allow you to use WhatsApp on PC. This is simple security. Like 2 factor authentication.
Once you confirm it’s you, you can use WhatsApp on your phone and computer simultaneously.

Anonynmous
Reply to  Do you work for WhatsApp??
January 13, 2021 4:29 am

But, what about the split. People will be using WhatsApp, signal, telegram etc. It will be so confusing and wrong to have so many different ones

Get rid of telegram it’s easy to get hacked
January 11, 2021 1:41 pm

I had telegram for a few months. It’s not safe even if you set a password. I set a password so in order to read messages I have to type in my password. One motze shabbos I couldn’t log on someone in Dubai changed my password and added me to so many Arabic groups over 600 groups and I had to manually one by one deleted each group. And once again a different motze shabbos the same thing happened. After that I had telegram for a few more weeks then I deleted it.

Telegram and Signal
January 11, 2021 2:01 pm

Both of these apps are routinely used for trafficking, drugs, etc because of the low privacy and control on them as compared to WhatsA pp so before blindly following every conspiracy theory ( which sadly our community has been doing this year) please educate yourselves properly. As a parent, these are also more concerning because of how easily you can connect with other us ers.

Some information for you...
Reply to  Telegram and Signal
January 11, 2021 3:10 pm

Do some research. Signal is the most secure. It was created by theco-founder of WhatsApp, Brian Acton, after he had a disagreement with Zuckerberg, who wanted to monetize WhatsApp (by sharing more user data with advertisers etc.). Acton strongly disagreed with Zuckerberg and, so, he left Facebook and created a new messaging app, Signal, a privacy and security oriented messaging app.

Anyway
January 11, 2021 2:12 pm

Telegram is filled with filth, drugs, movies etc…

welcome to the internet
Reply to  Anyway
January 11, 2021 3:11 pm

so is the entire world

Bad excuse
Reply to  welcome to the internet
January 11, 2021 4:19 pm

Bad excuse to intentionally use Telegram app, while WhatsApp and Signal offer messaging without the filth.

Why didn't you just go to Signal?
January 11, 2021 2:13 pm

It’s far safer than WhatsApp and Telegram

False alarm
January 11, 2021 2:19 pm

1. Indeed annoying, but don’t forget it’s only those who have you as a contact, which in WhatsApp you can see as well. 2. Like it said you can turn it off in the settings it’s split into seen recently, seen within the week, within the month and year. What’s wrong with that? It doesn’t let the whole world know if I was up till 2am and still let’s them know if I use telegram occasionally. (WhatsApp also has time stamps enabled by default). 3. You can put in any name just as by WhatsApp. 4. They ask for permission… Read more »

No.
Reply to  False alarm
January 11, 2021 2:51 pm

WhatsApp does NOT send out a broadcast message to all your contacts when you join! Wrong. The whole world can know you were up at 2 am if you are seen “Just Now” at 3am. The point is, if they are private, why are they asking for a name. Of course you can lie about your name or just put a dot. From a Privacy app, they should use as least permission as possible. make and Place calls, and then asking for Call Log was not needed. Thank you. It’s good to know. Can you confirm that they do not… Read more »

False alarm
Reply to  No.
January 11, 2021 3:27 pm

As I said indeed annoying, but not altogether crazy. I think your mistaking Telegram as a top notch security app like signal. Telegram is primarily the most feature filled messaging app, which does focus on security, but if there’s a way to optionally make it more convenient for the user they’d do so. Take a look at the telegram settings you have options for everything, including last seen you can turn that off. As for the kosher challenges that’s always going to be an issue, instead of just avoiding the issue you gotta discuss how to solve it. Bottom line… Read more »

False false alarm
Reply to  False alarm
January 11, 2021 4:22 pm

You clearly did not read the entire article. It clearly states that even if you “turn off” last seen, everyone can STILL see when you were last seen! they just won’t see the exact minute, but they can see “Last Seen: Just Now” when you browsed your phone at 4am.
Also, it’s not “annoying” that they send a bradcast message about me without my permission, it’s outright disgusting! Sending a broadcast message to all my contacts without asking me??

Telegram is not a good alternative but signal is
January 11, 2021 2:20 pm

The poster is correct in what he/she says about telegram – signal however is the better solution (albeit imperfect). You can’t search groups with signal, and there’s no “nearby” feature. Even groups on signal you can only see what it’s about if invited.

Don't be sheep research yourself
January 11, 2021 2:24 pm

All this is made up garbage they don’t require you to do anything You don’t have to put in your last name it’s the same thing like every single messaging app You can turn off all the features and make sure your privacy is secure Don’t be sheep guys

Who da sheep?
Reply to  Don't be sheep research yourself
January 11, 2021 4:27 pm

Sheep is to run away from WhatsApp because some news outlets scared you into that. Everything in that article is true: You CANNOT disable “last seen”, your contacts can ALWAYS know that you were seen “Just now”. The app has Channels feature which provides unfiltered filth on a silver platter. Ein Apotropos La’arayos… And the message they broadcast to all your contacts about YOU when YOU join, cannot be stopped.

People nearby
January 11, 2021 2:33 pm

I have my location off on telegram so people nearby does not work

And how hard is it to turn location back on?
Reply to  People nearby
January 11, 2021 2:52 pm

Don’t underestimate the challenges our teens (and adults) face

telegram is amazing!
January 11, 2021 2:52 pm

to whoever wrote this thing… LEARN MORE ABOUT SETTINGS!
you can turn things on and off!

Read the comments
Reply to  telegram is amazing!
January 11, 2021 4:30 pm

You CANNOT turn off most of those things. For example, “turning off” last seen, just hides the exact minute, but still shares with everyone when you were last seen in vague terms. Channels cannot be disabled, offering free p*** to everyone. the broadcast about YOUR joining cannot be stopped.

Settings!
Reply to  Read the comments
January 11, 2021 5:12 pm

> For example, “turning off” last seen, just hides the exact minute, but still shares with everyone when you were last seen in vague terms

“Vague terms” you mentioned sound like “recently”, “within a week”, “within a month”. How harsh this threatens you privacy?

>the broadcast about YOUR joining cannot be stopped.

…unless you disallow the app reading your contacts.

Lol
Reply to  Settings!
January 11, 2021 10:33 pm

Disallow a messaging app from accessing your contacts… What a convenience!
(Also, at the time you realize your brilliant Chap, it’s too late, you have to be warned not to allow contacts to begin with.)

Are you stupid or dumb?
Reply to  Read the comments
January 11, 2021 6:27 pm

Wait, you actually care if someone sees you were online “recently “?
And why in the world are you talking about_____If you are really Immature that all you do is watch____then SEEK HELP!

Very hurtful
Reply to  Are you stupid or dumb?
January 11, 2021 10:35 pm

Many people suffer from the issue that you laugh off and so easily label “immature.”
I bless you that you should never know how relevant the concern is (Spoiler: It’s very relevant, and not just for unmarried Bochurim)

Response
Reply to  Read the comments
January 12, 2021 11:26 am

Read the facts
https://telegram.org/faq#q-can-i-hide-my-last-seen-time
Don’t forget there’s kosher versions

Settings is the least of the problem
Reply to  telegram is amazing!
January 11, 2021 11:46 pm

HI,

It is an interesting article in that the settings and features are mentioned more than a very simple fact.
TELEGRAM IS OPEN INTERNET THAT CANNOT BE FILTERED. (almost)

What should mentiond the most is the fact that you can search for any garbage name a person can come up with and there will be a group with the garbage.

That’s the point.

Response
Reply to  Settings is the least of the problem
January 12, 2021 11:28 am

With last seen switched off you can’t see when one is currently online. Read the facts
https://telegram.org/faq#q-can-i-hide-my-last-seen-time

Don’t download Telegram. If you need to use the kosher versions.

Chaya
Reply to  telegram is amazing!
January 12, 2021 6:30 pm

God Bless Telegram!

hu?
January 11, 2021 2:53 pm

what are you saying?
do you know ANYTHING about settings?

Answer
Reply to  hu?
January 11, 2021 4:31 pm

Most of what is mentioned in the article CANNOT be fixed with settings. Many other commenters already pointed that out.

Face the facts.
Reply to  Answer
January 11, 2021 6:27 pm

Telegram is good.

AGREE
January 11, 2021 3:10 pm

Telegram has so much shmutz!!!

Ever heard of settings?
January 11, 2021 3:12 pm

You know can disable all of these features you mention?

Also, no one is asking you to enter your real first name, you can just enter an alias.

Simply false
Reply to  Ever heard of settings?
January 11, 2021 4:33 pm

you cannot change settings to stop most of the issues described in the article. And yes, duh, you can lie about your name, the article asked “WHY” is a privacy app asking for your name? What is it even being used for? You will show up on others phones based on the name in their contacts, so why are they asking extra info about me?

Response
Reply to  Simply false
January 12, 2021 11:31 am

Kosher Telegram together with settings solves everything except the broadcast.
Signal which is advertised as privacy first also requires a name.
Don’t download Telegram.

What about statuses
Reply to  Response
January 12, 2021 7:48 pm

Telegram and Signal both don’t support this feature which is important to me

Signal is the most secure but needs to update...
January 11, 2021 3:14 pm

Signal is the most secure messaging app. It was created by the co-founder of WhatsApp, Brian Acton, after he had a disagreement with Zuckerberg, who wanted to monetize WhatsApp (by sharing more user data with advertisers etc.). Acton strongly disagreed with Zuckerberg and, so, he left Facebook and created a new messaging app, Signal, a privacy and security oriented messaging app.

Signal still has a ways to go in terms of interface and simplicity, but they are not that far behind and, with the tremendous influx of new users, they are probably working on new updates already.

Stop LYING
January 11, 2021 3:15 pm

You and YWN are so greedy and afraid of losing your whatsapp followers that you are intentionally misleading everyone by claiming it’s safe to stay with whatsapp. Whatsapp is not safe and not private. Everyone should leave. Do not listen to COLLIVE and YWN . They want you to stay because they get traffic through their whatsapp alerts

If Elon refers user to signal
January 11, 2021 3:23 pm

If Elon the richest man on earth refers user to signal I’m sure he did his homework too on whats best & safest out of them all, I have been using signal for couple days now & it dosent ask me for any of that private info

Ha!
Reply to  If Elon refers user to signal
January 11, 2021 4:36 pm

Please don’t tell me you make decisions in your life this way.

This article is not understanding
January 11, 2021 3:35 pm

The fundamental reason for switching should be because it is part of big tech, its not only about there policy but more so their hypocrisy of monitoring and stifling another view that doesn’t agree with them.

Telegram is not owned by big tech has more features than WhatsApp

Signal is probably the best its a non-profit and is actually secure.

You are not understanding the article
Reply to  This article is not understanding
January 11, 2021 4:37 pm

The article was about the issues of Telegram. Maybe try Signal, just not Telegram.

Signal belongs to Twitter
Reply to  This article is not understanding
January 12, 2021 10:18 pm

If you’re trying to hurt Big Tech and not hurt yourself, you have to find an alternative to the current options.

Whatsapp and Signal are owned by Big Tech (Facebook and Twitter, respectively)

Telegram is not a good place for klal yisroel as a whole even if you personally are sure of your tzidkus.

Turn off the options that you dont want
January 11, 2021 3:44 pm

Theres absolutely no need to scare and panic everyone by writing and posting it, even whatsapp has features that not everyone likes
Stop searching for the bad part of everything and paniciking about it
Thats not good either

The real problem
Reply to  Turn off the options that you dont want
January 11, 2021 4:19 pm

happens to be the shmutz.
There is NO way to trust yourself at all times.
anyone who claims that they never fall or let themselves slide is either delusional or already DEEP in it already

Docheiu B’shtei Yodaim

false
Reply to  Turn off the options that you dont want
January 11, 2021 4:38 pm

Most of these settings cannot be changed. Read the other commenters who already explained it

I decided to leave WhatsApp
January 11, 2021 3:54 pm

The moment they made it mandatory to share your info with their Facebook platform
As a matter of fact I’m closing my accounts with Facebook and Instagram as well

Even with a code
January 11, 2021 3:58 pm

its easy to be hacked on telegram

Don't give your real information
January 11, 2021 4:00 pm

Don’t use your real name, address or phone number.
For phone number get sideline, or one of the other random alternate number generating apps.
Put in any made up name other then your own.
Don’t worry about their hypocritical “rules”, they don’t worry about your privacy.

The real problem
Reply to  Don't give your real information
January 11, 2021 4:18 pm

happens to be the shmutz.
There is NO way to trust yourself at all times.
anyone who claims that they never fall or let themselves slide is either delusional or already DEEP in it already

Docheiu B’shtei Yodaim

Define "fall"?
Reply to  The real problem
January 11, 2021 5:00 pm

Yes there are people who have never given their real name or number on the internet.
You can’t speak for others and decide for them, what they are capable of.

The real problem (response)
Reply to  Define "fall"?
January 11, 2021 7:38 pm

The point of the response “The real problem” was not about using your real name or number, that’s your personal choice. The Nekuda was, and continues to be, what are you exposing yourself too. What choices will you have to make, to click or not, to look or not. The Alter Rebbe in Tanya compares our (very human and normal!) desires to a burning furnace, meaning that no matter how prepared you are, or how many “safeguards” you put in place, at the moment of truth, you never put yourself in such a situation. Just as you wouldn’t knowingly move… Read more »

The alter Rebbe lived in this world
Reply to  The real problem (response)
January 12, 2021 10:49 pm

He went to cities when he had to. He did business with various people and knew that his chassidim had to live in the world as well. Most people do not have the luxury of cocooning themselves away from anything that their eyes might accidentally see. And if that was the point of existence, G-d wouldn’t have put our Neshamas into this world in physical bodies in the first place. How many people think they are so “frum” because they never leave the daled Amas of Yeshivah and still say Loshon hara? There are averas far greater then accidentally seeing… Read more »

I'll repeat it for him
Reply to  Define "fall"?
January 11, 2021 10:38 pm

Yes EVERYONE is capable of falling.

You evaded my question.
Reply to  I'll repeat it for him
January 13, 2021 5:49 pm

Like I said there are plenty of people who NEVER gave their real names or numbers on social media.
Do you think you have the right to speak for them?
Yes or no?
Which is it?

Typical liberal evasion tactics.

Incovenient
Reply to  Don't give your real information
January 11, 2021 4:40 pm

It is inconvenient to have separate phone numbers for different platforms. Your friends should be able to use the same phone number to find you in any platform. Don’t be those guys “My WhatsApp number is this, my SMS number is this. Oh I didn’t get your call because you called my WhatsApp number, not my real number…” etc.

I didn't say different numbers for each app.
Reply to  Incovenient
January 11, 2021 5:02 pm

I just said not your real/main number.
Use one different one, for all apps that is not your main one that you use at work and at home.

Wondering
Reply to  I didn't say different numbers for each app.
January 11, 2021 10:40 pm

And what exactly do you solve by this?
So now your 1st number won’t get spammed, only your second number. Yay! (If anything, having more numbers is more openings for spam and robocalls etc.)

They don't know your name
Reply to  Wondering
January 12, 2021 1:25 am

Or address, and can’t physically find you to harm you, G-d forbid.

Come on
Reply to  They don't know your name
January 12, 2021 11:22 am

Facebook is not coming down to your address to harm you.
Easy on the conspiracies, Facebook is just trying to serve you relevant ads instead of irrelevant ads, that’s it. What’s the big deal.
There’s no need to be so paranoid.

Who said it was Facebook coming!
Reply to  Come on
January 12, 2021 6:30 pm

I said nothing about Facebook.
I have many times been threatened by antisemites who said they wanted to find me, to harm me.

And one email address of mine was mentioned on the dark web, with various unknowns saying they were willing to pay money to find out more about me.

So much for your “paranoia”, fantasies.

Your blaming the wrong crowd
Reply to  Who said it was Facebook coming!
January 12, 2021 7:52 pm

These bad guys did not get your info because you use WhatsApp. Don’t conflate issues.

Where's your proof?
Reply to  Your blaming the wrong crowd
January 13, 2021 4:35 pm

How do YOU know where they got my information?
You didn’t even know who I was talking about and conflated what I said with your own beliefs about what you wanted to pretend I was saying.

You aren’t any authority, on where they got my info from.

Fake news
January 11, 2021 5:06 pm

If you turn off your last seen there’s no way for someone to see that you were just online. And I quote from their website “Last seen recently — covers anything between 1 second and 2-3 days”, I don’t think that’s invasive at all, That’s actually very useful to know if someone actively uses telegram

Not on my phone
Reply to  Fake news
January 11, 2021 9:23 pm

I was able to see as detailed as “Just now”. Maybe they changed it recently, I wouldn’t know because I left telegram

We are all being Controlled
January 11, 2021 5:26 pm

Whatsapp, Telegram and Signal. I wonder which one will announce Moshiach first.
Actually, maybe I will get rid of all three and see what better way I can spend my time. True, it says in Hayom Yom about gashmius into something spiritual but too much of the day seems to fly away on these “social?” apps.

Perspective
January 11, 2021 7:37 pm

I think people are angrier about whatsapp, because it subsitutes personal texts. It is more invasive when a tech company sells, uses, your personal texts, whereas Facebook Twitter instgram, as they are essentially advertising platforms, so a consumer feels it comes with the terrotory. Even personal accounts its advertising your name brand.

+ whatsapp has a simple substitute of texting. There are no real alternatives to facebook twitter or instagram yet. So a consumer will leave faster, and not feel they are missing something.

People will leave Gmail if there is a good alternative.

There are many alternatives
Reply to  Perspective
January 12, 2021 2:32 am

Tutanota and protonmail are great alternatives for email

Let’s go back to the local CH newspaper 🗞
January 11, 2021 8:59 pm

We are all on whatsup because all my school is in whatsup, parents chats, Rabbi’s chats … how did we communicated before? Maybe let’s do something kosher old version- kosher phones…
we are all into internet too much and yes pls send me mail as well …. ? Anyone know if it will work?

there is also Viber
January 11, 2021 9:09 pm

used it for years.

Telegram
January 11, 2021 9:16 pm

Not safe for kids- they can browse on telegram and many do not realize

May I add
Reply to  Telegram
January 11, 2021 10:42 pm

Not safe for teens and adults too

Biggest break of privacy
January 11, 2021 10:31 pm

B”H
It was already mentioned on here a few years ago where the biggest lack of privacy – our knees, elbows collarbones and hair. Maybe that kind of privacy breach we can all work on.

what a joke
January 12, 2021 11:33 am

Funny how many of the people complaining about WhatsApp sharing data with Facebook, actually have Facebook itself!
If you used Facebook all these years, you should be more than fine with the new WhatsApp terms.

This is just the start!
January 12, 2021 1:20 pm

It can also be used to access “channels” where you can download all sorts of illegal and often corrupt files. Really not an app you want on your phone.

Leaving anyway
January 12, 2021 2:54 pm

I don’t care propaganda friendly or not, quitting all social media.

Kudos to you
Reply to  Leaving anyway
January 12, 2021 7:54 pm

Seems like you still visit news websites though

fed up with Bochurim waisting time on WhatsApp
January 14, 2021 4:48 pm

apparently WhatsApp Tweet the other day does not exactly fit with the new terms and conditions that will be taken into affect on January 8th.

Besides, in 2019 they listed on their website “privacy is built into our DNA” and now and 2021 that statement disappeared.

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