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Beard or No Beard? Rabbi Refutes His Teacher’s Lecture

Rabbi Moshe Wiener Responds to a lecture from his former teacher, Rabbi Dr. Aaron Rakeffet-Rothkopf of Yeshiva University questioning whether growing a beard is "theologically important" according to halacha. Full Story, Audio

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HPZ is a very odd sefer IMO
October 26, 2022 12:39 am

I don’t understand why people can’t accept Jews who rely on the SHULCHAN ARUCH, written by the BEIS YOSEF. This isn’t just a simple Rabbi we’re talking about, he would learn with a maggid (malach) and led the Tzfas community also in Kabbalah.

This is the Halacha and the tradition of a HUGE kahal b’yisroel, namely almost all Sephardim and Yeshivish yidden.

Of course we believe you must have a beard and have no power to argue with the Tzemach Tzedek but 70 panim l’torah v’chulu.

Er... did you read the article?
Reply to  HPZ is a very odd sefer IMO
October 26, 2022 1:45 am

They did not have the high-tech electric shavers of today 400 years ago in Tzfas. Older heterim (many of which are debatable) no longer apply.

What?
Reply to  Er... did you read the article?
October 26, 2022 5:17 pm

What do “high-tech” electric shavers have to do with it? The Tzemach Tzedek says it’s an issur d’urayso to trim your massive beard to slightly less massive with scissors. The Shulchan Aruch writes clearly you can use scissors even like one uses a razor. i.e. extremely close with the blade, much closer than an electric razor can get. The Rema who together with the Beis Yosef are the foundations of Jewish Law merely comments that Ashkenazim are careful to shave with the top part of the scissors but on the neck there is no worry to follow this practice. Here… Read more »

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Reply to  HPZ is a very odd sefer IMO
October 27, 2022 1:12 am

The comment states: “I don’t understand why people can’t accept Jews who rely on the SHULCHAN ARUCH…” The Rebbe Rashab responded to this argument in a Public Announcement addressed to (not only Chassidim, but to) all Jews and published in Igros Kodesh of the Rebbe Rashab, vol. 2, p. 927, and Shaalos u’Teshuvos Toras Sholom, section 45. There the Rebbe Rashab wrote: “Important Announcement  “To our Jewish brethren, “believers, children of believers”:  “There are many who are lenient and cut their beards with scissors. They base their conduct on what is quoted in Shulchan Aruch, declaring that they are acting in accordance with the halachah  as… Read more »

Point of the article
Reply to  HPZ is a very odd sefer IMO
October 27, 2022 1:15 am

Is to show that injunctions against shaving aren’t just chassidishe hanhoga but also shared by many non chassidic halachic sources.
That doesn’t mean that those who are ok with shaving don’t have anything to rely on but they also can’t say it’s not “theologically important” as far as halacha is concerned

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Reply to  HPZ is a very odd sefer IMO
October 30, 2022 1:21 pm

The Tzemach Tzedek did not disagree with the Beis Yosef so we can choose who to follow. Rather, the Tzemach Tzedek demonstrated that the Beis Yosef’s ruling in Shulchan Aruch regarding beard removal is erroneous because there is no question that the Beis Yosef would not have ruled leniently had he seen the Rishonim (quoted by the Tzemach Tzedek) who prohibited beard removal. The S’dei Chemed who was a Sephardi who normally ruled like the Beis Yosef in Shulchan Aruch. He surveyed and compiled the literature of the Poskim concerning this issue, and was certainly qualified to know whether the… Read more »

HPZ is a most incredible sefer
October 26, 2022 1:54 am

Rabbi Weiner really knows his stuff!

I just wonder why rabbi rakeffet wasn’t reached out to for comment…

Why Rabbi Rakeffet wasn't reached out to for comme
Reply to  HPZ is a most incredible sefer
November 4, 2022 12:02 am

Did Rabbi Rakeffet reach out to Rabbi Wiener before attacking his sefer and the shitah of the Tzemach Tzedek?

P.S. Rabbi Rakeffet recently responded to Rabbi Wiener’s refutations of his lecture and explained that for himself he is following his YU Rebbeyim who were all beardless, but his own grandsons now all have beards. He said thank you for making him famous. Rabbi Rakeffet’s response can be heard at the following link: https://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/1047519/rabbi-dr-aaron-rakeffet-rothkoff/responsa-october-30 (At 7:16).

Beautiful Article
October 26, 2022 5:21 am

Well Written, Very Solid and to the point
A Big Yasher Koach
Mechail El Chayil
Chodesh Tov

95% of klal yisroel
October 26, 2022 7:52 am

Over 95% of klal Yisroel shave

We believe our shita and let them believe there shita

כולם אהובים כולם ברורים

לא תענה... לנטות אחרי רבים להטת
Reply to  95% of klal yisroel
October 26, 2022 1:16 pm

The fact that many people do it does not make it right. As is written in the article, many gedolim spoke out against shaving, and still do, but unfortunately are not listened to. The whole point of this article is to show that “their shita” doesn’t really exist. It is just a desire to have a shaven face and excuse it.

Not true
Reply to  95% of klal yisroel
October 26, 2022 8:16 pm

Only a minority of shomrei mitzvos shave, and most of those who do shave do so simply out of ignorance. They have been misinformed that it is permitted, and that not shaving is merely a chumra; the responsibility lies with those who propagate that misinformation.

95% of Klal Yisroel
Reply to  95% of klal yisroel
November 4, 2022 12:16 am

1) The Rebbe Rashab wrote a public letter addressed to the entire Klal Yisroel explaining that anyone who thinks there is a heter to cut the beard with scissors is in ERROR (Igros Kodesh of the Rebbe Rashab, vol. 2, p. 927). 2) The Chofetz Chaim wrote in his sefer Tiferes Adam that until his time only one in a thousand shaved. The tradition of 95% (or more of) Litvish communities was therefore to have a beard. 3) The three most recent individuals the non-Chassidic world considered to be their “Gedolei Hador” (Rav Elyashiv, Rav Shteinman and Rav Chaim Kanievsky… Read more »

well written
October 26, 2022 9:49 am

Well written and fascinating. However, it left out a very important authority: my wife.

Cute but perhaps insightful..
Reply to  well written
October 26, 2022 8:33 pm

In fact the Rebbe insisted to a few people that the wife agrees before a decision to grow a beard is made. Can we infer that there is a substantive heter, or why would a wife’s opinion play a role if the Halacha was completely one sided?

Very Important Authority: My Wife
Reply to  well written
October 30, 2022 3:22 pm

A person once wrote to the Rebbe that although he desired to grow a beard, he was meeting opposition on the part of his wife. In his handwritten response, the Rebbe explained that growing his beard would prove beneficial not only to him but to her as well:   יסבירה (באם רוצה – בשמי) שהתיקוני דיקנא ממשיכם ברכות השם בגשמיות ורוחניות לכל המשפחה, כמאמר חז”ל.   “Explain to your wife that, as Chazal state, growing a beard draws down Hashem’s blessings to the entire family, materially and spiritually. (If you prefer, you can tell her this in my name).” ספר… Read more »

Rebbe's Support of Sefer Hadras Ponim Zokon
October 26, 2022 10:40 am

The two most recent volumes of Igros Kodesh include eight (8) letters from the Rebbe providing encouragement and guidance regarding the sefer Hadras Ponim Zokon.
For an article on COL regarding the Rebbe’s extensive involvement in and support of the publication of sefer Hadras Ponim Zokon, see: https://collive.com/after-40-years-the-rebbes-involvement-is-revealed

alIyah
October 26, 2022 11:05 am

we should not give anyone an aliyah in a Chabad shul if they shave.

Really?
Reply to  alIyah
October 26, 2022 11:33 am

And what is this based on?

אג"ק ריי"צ ח"ד עמ' תקנח
Reply to  Really?
October 26, 2022 12:33 pm

“…ועל שאלותיו, בדבר השו”ב, אם הוא אומן וירא שמים יכול לאכול משחיטתו כי בענין תספורת הזקן יש נ”מ לדינא בין בן מדינתנו בכלל שלא קיבלו ההיתר דרבני איטאליע ואשכנז וגזע החסידים בפרט ובין בני מדינה אשר קיבלו ההיתר”.

Dangerous
Reply to  alIyah
October 26, 2022 12:15 pm

This is not the Chabad approach.

I hope you are not judged as harshly as you are judging others!

???
Reply to  alIyah
October 26, 2022 5:23 pm

So you’ve never been to a chabad house?

Beard
Reply to  alIyah
October 26, 2022 8:19 pm

The Rebbe would never agree to that!

Chabad Light
October 26, 2022 1:10 pm

Children of parents who shave should not be allowed in our schools.

this is not not a chabad aprouch
Reply to  Chabad Light
October 26, 2022 7:51 pm

just because someone doesn’t keep halacha doesn’t mean the children shouldn’t be allowed to learn torah

That's not a chabad approach
Reply to  Chabad Light
October 27, 2022 1:09 am

So i guess that makes you the “light” one

Chabad Heavy - perhaps even Worse than shaving?
Reply to  Chabad Light
October 27, 2022 5:01 am

To deny Chinuch to a jewish child, is denying one of the basic principles of Hashkafas Chabad. Perhaps those calling to not allow kids in school would be more suited for Satmar or similar. While Shaving is an issur, it is being nichshol or failing, Calling to deny children Chinuch (ח”ו) as a policy is a denial of one of the ikkarim of Chabad and worse. So if anyone should be sending their kids elsewhere, it would be the author of the above message. One more point: “Chabad Light” may even be a reaction to “Chabad Heavy”, both are deviations… Read more »

FYI
October 26, 2022 3:13 pm

I want to make some aware that there is a fairly large percentage of individuals in our community who do not shave and would never shave but it appears as if they shave. The have a habit of picking on the beard thus leaving little to no hair on their face. This is an addiction similar to nail biting. I sat with a good friend, from a very prominent family, on Simchas Torah who told me that he was shocked when a mashpia approached him and asked that he stop “touching his beard! He couldn’t believe that someone thought he… Read more »

Dan lchaf Zchus
Reply to  FYI
October 26, 2022 5:29 pm

I’ve never been 100% sold on the picking “habit” being real, but who knows! I’ve certainly never been tempted to inflict pain on myself repeatedly.
In general I don’t think about other peoples beards or dress or observance. Not my job!
As it turns out I’m not quite a beinoni yet so before I start looking down on others I have some things to work on myself!
In a world that needs perfumers and tanners; why chose to be a tanner?

There is not only one way there are many
October 26, 2022 4:12 pm

To say that someone that trims his beard should not get a aliya is why we have so many young souls running far far away from our community and way of life. It doesn’t work and it’s also wrong. Not everyone is the same and it’s not like eating not kosher what has gotten into people. We need to relax and no when to enforce someone and when to be accepting. There are high quality yidden that trim or shave and I would rather learn from them then half the extreme people with no middos I talk with. We need… Read more »

It is exactly like eating not kosher
Reply to  There is not only one way there are many
October 26, 2022 8:19 pm

Except that many people think kashrus is only a chumra.

Let’s compare it to married women exposing their hair. There is no question that this is just as forbidden as eating traif; and yet so many imagine that it is somehow less forbidden. They sin out of ignorance, not out of defiance.

You just cancelled most of the jewish people
Reply to  It is exactly like eating not kosher
October 26, 2022 11:39 pm

I hope your some young kid who is still growing up

Wrong
Reply to  It is exactly like eating not kosher
October 27, 2022 1:10 am

It is like eating ou D instead of cholov yisroel

Brocha comes through the beard
October 26, 2022 7:25 pm

Here, the Rebbe says it:

https://youtu.be/Tc-hziUXFQM

Brocha and hatzlacha!

Wrong shul
October 26, 2022 8:21 pm

Rav Shlomo Frankel (Rov of the Shevas Achim shul in Flatbush)

Rabbi Frankel has no connection at all with Sheves Achim, whose rabbi is Rav Meir Fund.

Frankel
Reply to  Wrong shul
October 27, 2022 10:42 am

Rav frenkels shul is kehal bnei shlomo zalman. The Vialipoleh rebbe on 21st between I-J

Wrong Shul
Reply to  Frankel
October 29, 2022 10:58 pm

There are two Sheves Achim shuls in Flatbush. Sheves Achim-Flatbush Minyan where Rav Meyer Fund is Rov is on Avenue H. Sheves Achim where Rav Shlomo Frankel is Rov is at 1184 East 14th Street.

Beautifully argued
October 26, 2022 9:37 pm

Nice how you first gave respect where due but then said what needed to be said. A real mentch

Pinchos Woolstone
October 31, 2022 6:48 pm

Can the Teshuvos of the Tzemach Tzedek regarding the issue of not removing and trimming the beard by any method be posted on this site.

Reb Ahron Kotler
November 15, 2022 1:37 pm

Reb Ahron’s own son and successor, Reb Shniur Kotler shaved as a bocher. And anyone who knew Reb Shniur knew that he was first and foremost a talmid of his father. Three of the four current roshei yeshiva of Lakewood shaved when they were bocherim so there has to be something missing from the “Let Us Learn from Lakewood” quotes of this story. My guess was that they were quoted in a specific kind of shaver that may have had halachik problems rather than addressing shaving in general. 

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