An article several days ago was published on COLlive.com advocating for Shluchim to arm themselves with firearms. The article intimated that perhaps the tragedy that took place in Mumbai in 2008 where Rabbi Gabi and Rivky Holtzberg hy”d were murdered may have been averted. The author points to recent threats discovered in Azerbaijan and to the fact that the previous Chabad Rebbe, Rabbi Yosef Schneerson, carried a revolver.
When it comes to firearms, due to their lethality it is of utmost importance to take everything into great consideration. Having a firearm has advantages and disadvantages. To justify having one, the former must heavily outweigh the latter. I’ll begin with disadvantages.
First up, is safety. Sadly, many children each year have killed themselves as a result of accidental discharge because they gained access to their parents firearm/s. Utmost diligence is required to ensure such accidents will not happen. One must install a gun safe, and keep the firearm on them or in the safe at all times.
Second is, proficiency. A firearm is useless unless you know how to use it. “Knowing how to use it” does not mean knowing how to pull the trigger. It means knowing how to acquire, shoot and hit a target quite quickly. It means knowing what to do when the gun jams and how to disassemble it for cleaning purposes. Last but not least, it means constant practice. Just like a jogger who doesn’t jog for a few weeks, becomes less fit, so to with shooting proficiency. This is why law-enforcement agencies train regularly.
Third is, “sense of security”. Feeling secure when your are not is probably the worst out of the above. A firearm tends to give its owner a sense of security. As I will explain, in the face of the threats the author addressed in his/her article, the firearm does not produce real security. Thus, in this situation, The Shliach would have a false sense of security.
The advantage, is quite simply the ability to defend yourself, and, if it is public knowledge you carry a gun, deterrence. However, these advantages do not apply in the face of a Mumbai style threat.
The Mumbai terrorist were definitely not deterred by the Indian police force armed with pistols and rifles or the Mumbai Anti-Terrorist Squad. More than ten police officers, and anti-terror squad members were killed by the terrorists. Obviously they were dealing with trained terrorists, who were armed with assault rifles. So against a terrorist threat C”V, a trained police officer, let alone a “semi-trained” person doesn’t have much of a chance (especially if the terrorist wears a bullet-proof vest as most pistol rounds cannot penetrate bullet-proof vests. Which means the only take-down would be a head-shot, which requires a high degree of proficiency). In Azerbaijan, it was reported one of the terrorists was planning on using a sniper-rifle C”V. That makes a personal sidearm completely obsolete.
Solution:
(Just to be clear, this is with regard to Mumbai style terrorist. Against “smaller” threats or muggings, perhaps a personal a sidearm is the solution). The solution is preventative action in the form of intelligence for instance hiring the services of “STRATFOR”. Stratfor is a private intelligence organization contracted by corporations and the like who have assets in non-safe regions of the world where kidnappings are extremely frequent etc. The idea would be that they would keep an ear out for any would-be terrorist activity. Every (sophisticated) terrorist attack takes immense planning, which leads to intelligence communities picking up on it. All information would be classified by threat level, and if it reached a severe enough level C”V, they would alert the Shliach and local law-enforcement, or if need be a trained professional could be hired until the threat passes. Of course, such a thing is not cheap. However, not every region would need this. It would be for places where there is increased danger. Regardless, there is no price on life, and Merkos would just have to foot the bill.
With regard to the fact that the previous Chabad Rebbe, Rabbi Yosef Schneerson, carried a revolver, it cannot be a public Hoiro’oh (directive). There is a story with the Rebbe Rashab, the previous Chabad Rebbe, Rabbi Yosef Schneerson’s father. A businessman who happened to be carrying a revolver once met the Rebbe Rashab in his cabin on a train. The Rebbe Rashab told him to get rid of it as it is “Klei Eisov”. This is not a contradiction to the fact that the previous Chabad Rebbe, Rabbi Yosef Schneerson, carried a revolver because neither story is a public directive and it all depends on the context.
In conclusion, We need to use our heads. If carrying a firearm saves lives, then carry one. However, as I have illustrated, Shluchim carrying guns will just create C”V a hazard for their family and cause them to slip into a false sense of security, as it does not work against a Mumbai styled attack.
The Rebbe should watch over his Shluchim and protect them among Klal Yisroel and may we be Zocheh to the coming of Moshiach immediately rendering this conversation useless.
“The Rebbe should watch over his Shluchim and protect them among Klal Yisroel and may we be Zocheh to the coming of Moshiach immediately rendering this conversation useless.”
EVERY JEW A 22.
OR A 9MM EVEN BETTER!!!!
Danny Cohen is a shaliach in Chevron a place with allot of blood thirsty Arabs so in this case it doesn’t count
The Author is from Australia, good on you
#28 the author, I just returned from the range, I shot my .45 carry gun in a fast draw wild shoot, I hit the target center mass from 15 yards away. These calibers you rattle off, mean something to us shooters, I choose a .45 and am very comfortable shooting it for bh 6 years of carry. I have taken well over 100 people shooting, I have seen guys learn to shoot well 30 yards away on their first trip. I have a .44 magnum revolver I enjoy shooting, I dont carry that with me because its not realistic, same… Read more »
In resonse to some of the coments: The point of the story of the Rebbe Rashab is that when he called a gun “Klei Eisov” it is not a blanket rule the same way the Friediker Rebbe carrying a revolver is not a blanket rule. It all dependsn the situation. I am not an anti-gun activist. However, the point of the article is that in the face of a terrorist threat (i.e. not a robbery, holdup, mugging etc), a personal sidearm will only compliment the current security situation and not supplement it. Meaning, advocating that Shluchim should (acquire and) take… Read more »
if you want to fight learn martial arts
This article is as intelligent as someone can be in arguing against gun ownership. So because of that I will bother to reply: #1 Previous Rebbe’s revolver: It’s a public story that we know of, and the Rebbe says on sichos, the fact that we know of this story, means it is a lesson to be learned. #2 Safety: Oh yeah! Be super careful. Children etc, it’s not about statistics. I carry, and for a second around children (or adults) I don’t let my guard down. I have a safe etc. We have weapons to protect our children… not the… Read more »
I am getting tired of these anonymous op-ed’s, but I will still leave my comment, true I am not either using my real name but commenting and writing a full out article are 2 different things. First off B”H this formally tabo subject, is now getting out into the open congrats to collive for helping make that happen. For those whom live in States or countries, that allow Gun ownership, do your own research, maybe visit a Shooting range a few times, in order to get comfortable, then decide for you family, if owning a gun is the right thing.… Read more »
Who cares what your article says. If the Shliach or any person wants a personal firearm for protection, he’ll get it. Seriously, do you really think you’re going to convince someone to get one with your stupid opinions? I think its quite humorous. Keep writing these articles, and keep entertaining us. I love how you think you are saving the world. If I ever am debating whether or not to buy a gun, I will definitely reread your article as a last ditch effort to convince me out of it. Thank you for your time and effort. May G-d bless… Read more »
i dont know where you are from but if you kill and shoot for self defiance you will not get booked and go to jail !!! just walk down the street of CH and you can go to jail wen cops see you have a ccw they give more respect to you cause they know you have no criminal record the only way a kid can get hurt is if the owner is not careful and leave a loaded gun around ,and if you tech your kids about it and they under stand what it can do they will never… Read more »
you have no facts or statistics: “many children each year”… – a number please?!?!?!????? you’re not backed with facts and have not convinced me of anything!
The whole concept of not putting your name by an op-ed is ridiculous…if you really believe so strongly in your opinion and the strength of your argument there’s no reason to hide. On the contrary if your correct its a great merit. Furthermore, if there is no name attached to this how can we be sure your not conspiring in any way? What if you are someone cleverly and purposefully seeking to keep people unarmed in certain communities for malicious reasons? Not that these scenarios are likely, but they serve as examples of why we can disregard this article.
Anybody who has ever held or fired a gun knows that a gun without bullets is as useful as a rock. Guns are only as dangerous as the ignorant users of them, statistics of accidental deaths dont take into account how many of them are caused by illegal guns, meaning guns that are being used by some teenage gang member that has no clue about gun safety, who’s child happens to find it etc…… Those that are naive enough to think their families are safer because they DONT have a gun are suffering from the same delusion as those who… Read more »
It’s so dangerous for them…
don’t you all keep kitchen knifes and matches at home ?
You feel its worth taking the risk so you can have a good cholent .yet you fear the few$$$ and hrs a week to give yourself a chance of getting out of a attack alive i know of at least 1 shliach who used his sidearm to kill a terrorist who infiltrated his yishuv thereby saving countless lives
the author should trow out his bath tub ,being as for every child that dies from a gunshot wound 3 children drown in the bath tub
The author did not make one logical or valid argument.
“Better to be judged by 12…”
I see that there is no shortage of naivete here.
You do realize that while you are being held in prison for murder or manslaughter, terrible things can happen to you. (I don’t have to get into details, but let’s just say “Sodom”, which can lead to HIV contraction…)
If you kill someone, EVEN in self defense, you will likely be held in a facility with murderers and rapists.
If the jews would have been armed even during the Holocaust the job of the Germans to liquidate them would have been harder. The jews should all be armed so we will have the ability to protect ourselves. Obviously if you own a gun you need to go to a shooting range and learn how to should properly and practice over and over again. BUT, we should all be ready to fight back and defend ourselves at any time!!!
why the anonymity? the author is obviously not confident enough to put a name to the article.
Someone needs to actually do some research, and not just phrase nonsense so it sounds like the truth. 90% of all personal defense scenarios involving a firearm happen with five to seven feet. That means that someone with even the most basic of training need only point and shoot. Even if one is wearing a vest, the force of impact is such that one would probably have time for a second shot while the assailant was recovering. Center mass is the best shot someone can take. There are companies that train people how to defend themselves with firearms and basic… Read more »
You are very wrong and dangerous ground, firstly, in Florida and Texas #7 is 100% wrong! The law here is shoot!! #2, the biggest concern is mumbai style, virginia tech shooting etc… that can stop this is like yeshiva merkaz harav, an armed civilian. You know better ? my concealed weapons courses are given by a 15 year law enforcement officer, former 4 year marine and a NRA licensed instructor and private security consultant, he taught me to shoot and these security issues. The same opinion is held by every law enforcement person on the city, county, state and federal… Read more »
the authur most be a 13 year old
actually if you will look up the story where the fellow with the gun was told to hand it over and then the rebbe threw it out the train window, you will see that the fellow admitted that he had been planning to chas vesholom assasinate the rebbe.
You raise three wonderful points as to how a single person cannot single handedly take on an entire terrorist unit- the only people who disagree with you too addicted to watching movies to care about this article… but that doesnt mean shluchim shouldn’t own guns. 1) safety- hmm- never heard of a childproof cupboard.. or a safe? 2) proficiency -yes- someone who owns a gun must invest time into learning how to use it. The most highly pressured people in my life are shluchim- they definitely could do with some stress relief (one very effective method of stress relief is… Read more »
Amen. I was trained even if we have legal authority to shoot…do NOT shoot someone. YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT A DISTRICT ATTORNEY WILL SAY. IF YOU HAVE A GUN. DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE *NOT* TO FIRE IT. I START SCREAMING, “I’VE GOT A GUN! I’VE GOT A GUN!” EVEN IF I DO NOT TO SCARE PEOPLE. THE IDEA IS NOT TO SHOOT. DEATH INVESTIGATIONS ARE SERIOUS BUSINESS. LEAVE THE “OK CORRAL” TO RAY KELLY AND HIS NYPD. THE GOYIM GET AWAY WITH MURDER R”L.
You’re as wrong as it gets. First of all, the reason there are many deaths with children and firearms is because most firearm owners are hillbillies without common sense, which is not the case here. Second, the training is not nearly as tough as you make it, and you don’t need to train regularly to be able to shoot a terrorist 15 feet away. Cops shoot from distances, and it’s their job, that’s why they train regularly. Third, the sense of security can’t hurt when you are targeted for death; that is only the case by robberies. Throughout history the… Read more »
maybe all buchrim in yeshiva shulde get guns
all shluchim should get guns!!1 but how about the countries which dont allow it
How about let each guy decide how to run his life, why do we feel a need to decide how others should be. I DECIDE WHAT IS OR ISN’T RIGHT/GOOD FOR ME. And if you really care, then send a check.
Clearly the person doesn’t know very much about guns but believes the media distortion that owning one is dangerous and not helpful in protecting the innocent.