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Friday, 19 Iyyar, 5779
  |  May 24, 2019

    An Orphan With 2 Mothers

    From the COLlive inbox: While you were shopping at Brooklyn's Atlantic Mall, my wife and I caught the nanny walking off with your 4 year-old. Full Story

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    fascinating.
    Guest
    fascinating.

    truly fascinating.

    The police were right
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    The police were right

    The signs that are so obvious to you — that the woman is not from our community — are not at all obvious to an outsider. If this black lady had been frum, you would have known immediately, and would not have been worried; but how do you expect the police to know?

    Sometimes
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    Sometimes

    Sometimes people leave so much of the childcare to the nanny, that they may as well be the mother. Don’t outsource your parenting. You may regret it later…

    Such racism!
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    Such racism!

    Would you stop a white, Jewish, refined, well dressed tzniyusdike woman walking with a young black kid with an afro, earrings, a big gold chain around his neck, baggy jeans down to his knees, pink and white boxers sticking out, and neon green shoes with the orange laces untied?

    To number 4
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    To number 4

    Who cares about racism! This is a jewish child we are talking about! When it comes to our jewish family, you have to put everyone else aside, black, white etc.

    Thank you
    Guest
    Thank you

    Well written! You did the right thing – its people like you who keep us safe!!

    No value for the Yiddishe Child
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    No value for the Yiddishe Child

    To the father of the child: Would you allow this African American nanny to take your laptop for a walk in the mall? To the mother of the child: Would you entrust your diamond ring to this African American nanny if she would ask to borrow it for a shopping trip to the mall? Are you absolutely certain that this nanny did not share the nachos she bought at Target with your source of Nachas? Are you aware of the activities and conversations your precious little yingale was exposed to? Dear parents of the four year old child: Please feel… Read more »

    This Nanny
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    This Nanny

    This “Nanny” thing in CH is out of hand, what the… is up with everyone having a nanny! what about the mothers spending some time with their own children; yes, letting them pester and nudge while they shop and yes pushing their own. .. stroller!

    to # 4 and 5
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    to # 4 and 5

    Even if it were a Jewish lady walking with a kid that fits your description I would guess that the kids mom is off doing something ” better” (more fun) than watching her child and that this lovely Jewish lady has a heart and is gonna help him find her….if a lady is trying to impersonate a Jewish lady she would probably fail b/c the middos of a Jewish woman are extremely special and no one can even try and copy…

    very well written
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    very well written

    some mothers are soo neglectful in that they give their nanny total control- and they ech believe: “shes different- shes really amazing, my kids love her!” such denial, ignorance and IRRESPONSIBILITY!
    and yes, as part of the jewish community, we look out for each other- call it racism, but we call it AHAVAS YISROEL!

    Be realistic.
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    Be realistic.

    I dont know if you are a drauma queen, but this is not racism. This person did the right thing and shut up b4 u say that this is racism!

    Reasonable Racism
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    Reasonable Racism

    Although this is racial profiling, I think it is reasonable given the general quality of Brooklyn’s black community. They would have done the same thing if the nanny looked like white trash.

    Such racism..
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    Such racism..

    Point well taken, parents watch over your kids. But seriously, STOP the racism. Why do you think the woman reacted the way she did after the way you treated her?

    #4 so open minded his/her brains fell out
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    #4 so open minded his/her brains fell out

    I base the above on the fact that you are so blinded to reality by your prejudice against other Jews and your sense of judgement so impaired, that you are unable to process the fact that in light of events that happen again and again and again, the chances of a young, Jewish mother being the kidnapper of a non-jewish child are about a billion to one. You may put your political correctness before the welfare of another person’s child, but I hope for your sake that common sense returns at least when caring for your own.

    as for you
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    as for you

    You
    Are
    parnoid

    to # 7
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    to # 7

    As a person who was raised by a black man, to be who I am now, your comment is all the more ignorant. Yes it was wrong of her to lie, but to image it like that is plain wrong just because she’s an “african american”

    There might be more to this story that you don't know
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    There might be more to this story that you don't know

    Why did you write this story and bring more pain to the mother? I saw her as she came off the train. She was very upset by what happened. You have no idea of her circumstances and why she was at the mall with a nanny. I hope she doesn’t see this article. Please try to be dan le kaf zechus.

    A working mom fed up the condescending comments. you are not a bad parent for using a nanny!!!
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    A working mom fed up the condescending comments. you are not a bad parent for using a nanny!!!

    The judgmental tone of the title and these comments is quite disturbing… how does employing a nanny make you neglectful?? It usually means that the mom is working for crying out loud. She is at work to help support her family. She is at work to put bread on the table for her child, pay tuition for her child, pay rent for her child because she does not want her child to grow up in a home where the parents are always in debt and unable to afford clothes, rent, camp, or the countless expenses that come with being a… Read more »

    black mother balck son
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    black mother balck son

    i never saw a black mother that had a white, blond son! so unless she was adopted mother, there is no way of her being the real mother. the oposite could happen if the father is black!

    Comments:
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    Comments:

    To #2: without knowing specifically how non-Jewish this women looked and how Jewish the child looked, how can you make such a statement that the police “were right” for not even asking any questions. A police officer doesn’t have to be accusing anyone of anything before pulling them to the side with some questions. Basically, a civilian came over to a group of police officers, reporting what to him appeared to be suspicious activity, and instead of making a simple check to ensure the child’s, they sat and argued why they don’t need to and why the civilian is the… Read more »

    I think
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    I think

    That the point of this article is to make it very clear to the parents of this child that their nanny is crossing the boundaries in regards to relationship with this child. If you are not the parents of this child then technically this has nothing to do with you. I would like to continue and say that while racial profiling is wrong, it is only being used in this article as a description. Like “the brunette” or “short guy”. Which is also a form of prejudice. So let us all just bow our heads and beseech the L-rd to… Read more »

    From the author to comment #17.
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    From the author to comment #17.

    There is more to this story as to why she was in the mall with a nanny, and yes, I am aware of the circumstances. Those details came out when I met the mother. I had specifically not gone into that because I had wanted to protect the mother’s identity, and I openly state, that commenters who bash the mother for being an irresponsible parent for going to the mall with a nanny have no idea of the situation. The reason I wrote this story, is because – for whatever reason – I did not yet have the opportunity to… Read more »

    Watch your kids people!!!!!!
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    Watch your kids people!!!!!!

    And I agree with number 7. Watch were they go, what they see and hear. Invest more and pay frum nannies !

    #18
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    #18

    you are fooling yourself. you don’t really care. anyone knows, if you really care, you spend more time with your child and in debt, is better than having a nanny raise your child with your fancy house. be honest. you’re lying to yourself and now here as well.

    Note on comment #20.
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    Note on comment #20.

    Comment 14 is now comment 15.

    THAT WAS YOUR BABY!
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    THAT WAS YOUR BABY!

    I saw a young nanny on her cell phone walking about 23 ft. ahead of a toddler on Brooklyn Ave. She did not even look back to check on/wait for the child. She then proceeded to cross the street BY HERSELF. The toddler ran after her, tripped on the uneven concrete and fell flat on his face. He was beyond hysterical and I picked him up. The nanny ran back and grabbed the screeaming child out of my hands and cursed me out that “I pushed him”. MOTHERS! YOU SHOULD JUST KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH YOU CHILD WHEN YOU… Read more »

    No good deed...
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    No good deed...

    Goes unpunished. I think you were right, but no one seems to appreciate that…

    it has happened!
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    it has happened!

    I am a teacher and was checking out book from the brooklyn public library (grand army) when i saw an african american nanny/babysitter sharing her fries from McDonalds with a frum child citting in a stroller. I went over to the nanny and asked if the parents know that this child is eating this food. and she said, so what its only potatoes, i dont give him pork. I decided to follow them home at a safe distance and see which house this child lives in. I later returned and rang the bell to show the parents the picture i… Read more »

    I am #4 and was being sarcastic
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    I am #4 and was being sarcastic

    Anyone that says this is paranoia, has learned very little from the kletzky story. I stop any little kid I see walking alone and ask them where their parents are.
    Slap me with a racism charge, and bring every Jewish child home safely to their mothers. (And that was not sarcastic)

    Please read VERY IMPORTANT
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    Please read VERY IMPORTANT

    a double green nice stroller with a black nanny and looks like twin girls inside with pink sneaker shoes . YOUR nanny left them outside of a store and went inside to buy icecream for quite a while untill my husband went to follow her and we where going to contact you but she didnt go home . Very dangerous on Nostrand ave and Union to leave kids outside by themselves 2 Yiddishe Neshomas and black nanny inside buying ice cream if any ques i can give the mother my contact number nanny jean skirt double green nice stroller ,… Read more »

    If your cleaning lady/babysitter walks your toddler on Albany Ave....
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    If your cleaning lady/babysitter walks your toddler on Albany Ave....

    I don’t know who you are, but I did stop your child care provider. These women are not trained nannys, so I won’t call them that. She looks similar to my Spanish cleaning lady, yet she was out walking your child. Possibly she was supposed to take him to Lefferts park. However, she didn’t. She was standing leaning against the tree on Albany between President and Carroll talking on her cell phone, while your toddler stood near the tree waiting and crying. To me he seemed cold – it was windy and his jacket was in her arms. After I… Read more »

    i am shocked
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    i am shocked

    i live in a place that it is nearly impossiable to have jewish nany and therefore i have my kids hanging around with me all day, and yes it is hard, and they are schooled at home, online, but i never want to one day have to regret my desicion of having a non jewish nany

    Seichel
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    Seichel

    Do people know anything about their child care providers or even our housekeepers? Do you know where they live or what type of situation they live in? The whole concept of trusting people we know nothing about is very strange.

    To 32
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    To 32

    You are truly an amazing mother! It would be wonderful if all Jewish mothers would realize how precious their children were, the way you do!

    glad
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    glad

    it is heart warming to read, that there are some pple who feel responsible for kids and will stop and check things out if it looks wrong. its reassuring, and makes me have some faith in our society that is usually so self absorbed.

    to #18
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    to #18

    THANK YOU!! some people dont get that some mothers HAVE to work to help support their families- I wish people wouldnt judge.

    To #33
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    To #33

    Actualy, yes, I did abackground check on My nanny, have a copy of her passport, know where she lives and who her husband is. I got extensive references for her and I trust that I am doing the best I can to protect my children.

    Even if you need the nanny
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    Even if you need the nanny

    in the store with you, why can’t they stay near you within eyesight? Also, to those crying racism: really? you think there’s even a 1%chance that a non-jewish woman has a kid with yarmulke and tzitzis? Color matters not in this sit.

    What would the Rebbe do?
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    What would the Rebbe do?

    I’m so happy to read the inspirational stories here that encourage us to be lamplighters & spread yiddishkeit, however today for the first time I feel the need to chime in…the Jewish child is the cornerstone of our future existence. Neglect of them and the laws of kashrus are serious concerns when anyone watches your child. As parents its important that we know who’s taking care of our children and that we are watching over each other within our community. WE MUST ALSO REMEMBER that kosher is not just what we put into our mouths, it is also what comes… Read more »

    new york
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    new york

    I think that the main problem is the Brooklyn problem..people there dont know what goes on in the outside world cuz they are so closed in to their communities. if anyone has a bitof sechel they would find and nanny who they can trust and give them ground rules of how to take care of their children. you guys are actually willing to believe that the reason for these problems are nonjewish nannies.. i suppoose you are so closed into your communities that you havent seen the jewish girls of today or read the stories of what goes on sometimes… Read more »

    People judge so fast !!!
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    People judge so fast !!!

    I wish COL would verify how much of this story is actually true. I know the family and there are some lies to this article plus some missing points. And while the outhor of this article does not personally know this family or what they go thru on a daly basis than you have a lot of” Ahavas Israel” and “don’t judge another” to do !!!! If all of you ( outhor and co mentors) would know how you made this mother and father go thru yesterday and today everyone here would be quiet !!!!!!!!! I know them, I know… Read more »

    seriously???????????????????????
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    seriously???????????????????????

    you adults/children are so immature. every single article that someone comments on has to turn into everyone making rude comments to each other. i think its the same people every time. why don’t you find something else to do in your spare time.

    #19, so how do you know he isn't adopted?
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    #19, so how do you know he isn't adopted?

    You say “so unless she was adopted mother, there is no way of her being the real mother”. So how do you know this isn’t the case?

    #20
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    #20

    Assume that the kid looked as Jewish as any of our kids – short hair, peyos, tzitzis hanging out, velvet yarmulke. And assume the woman looked as goyish as you like – pants, hair, the works. You or I would immediately know that she is not the mother of that kid. But how should the police know this? These cues that look obvious to us are really quite subtle. And that is in the most obvious case. Now assume the woman was not so obviously goyish; maybe she was wearing a skirt, etc. That just makes it *harder* for the… Read more »

    To "People judge so fast" (#41)
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    To "People judge so fast" (#41)

    What would you say are the lies in this article? That the child was walking ALONE with his nanny’s back to him? I was there, and witnessed this entirely. I think that’s the point the author is bringing out. The author does not once criticize the parents for having a nanny. That is clearly not the issue, nor is it the author’s business. The author has told over the story with accurate details of what occurred.

    What if this was your child??
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    What if this was your child??

    Firstly, racism has nothing to do with this story. Anyone, including the police, who bring it up are simply suffering from their own complex. This nanny represents many nannies — strangers who are simply looking to collect a paycheck in exchange for taking care of your child. Any way they can cut corners to make an easier buck, they will employ. No doubt it is hard to take care of kids all day — but, if you plan on resting while they are playing, talking on your cel instead of talking with the child, walking ahead of the child instead… Read more »

    my two cents
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    my two cents

    When you employ someone who will be taking care of your children; you should be clear about what is expected . I remember I had a neighbor who left her children with a nanny all day who imbued her children with all types of goyishe music including christman caroles.My mother taught us to always let a yiddishe lady or girl watch our most precious commodity (the children) so that our kinderlach would remain holy.

    only in crown heights
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    only in crown heights

    do people leave their infants and toddlers with uneducated non english speaking cleaning ladies to care for their small ones. in the rest of the country childcare is a profession

    to #4
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    to #4

    actually i would.

    oh gosh
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    oh gosh

    imagine that you are two years old and your mother shoves you out the door everyday to be with this strange balck lady that barely talks to you. I feel so bad for these kids.

    raise your own kids.
    Guest
    raise your own kids.

    if you cant take care of your kids, dont have them. people live their kids with goyim, then wonder why their kids dont turn out like they want.

    #51
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    #51

    There are many people in Crown Heights that have never been brought up by goyim as you say and their kids are not frum. Stop worrying about the children and start worrying about those teenagers who are walking our street like goyim, and they are the ones who lived in the generation of not having nannies or goyim watching them…

    Words, words... Do something!
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    Words, words... Do something!

    CH needs a proper vetted nanny agency, Professional nannies are should be certified in cardiopulmonary resuscitation, qualified in First Aid, and have a degree or extensive training in child development.

    its not racisum
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    its not racisum

    he was just looking out for another jew (everybody come down ok)

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