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    8 Rabbis Obligate Reporting Abuse

    8 Chabad Rabbis signed onto a letter stating, "there is no need to seek rabbinic approval prior to reporting" all forms of abuse. Full Story

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    Yasher koach!
    Guest
    Yasher koach!

    Yasher Koach!
    May this only reduce the occurrences of such atrocities amongst us!

    Good start
    Guest
    Good start

    Included should be workplace violence and abuse from your boss.

    This is very very applicable in today’s frum workforce.

    A Survivor
    Guest
    A Survivor

    Why are there only 7 signatures on this???

    not so simple
    Guest
    not so simple

    there are many many many people who have reported “abuse” with little proof and majorly embarrassed and messed peoples lives

    BH
    Guest
    BH

    Wonderful news!

    BH yes
    Guest
    BH yes

    This is great! Finally

    relatives
    Guest
    relatives

    wonderful- keep in mind that if someone is an abuser his/her relatives most likely didn”t know about it and it”s not their fault. they suffer – make sure they can still be a part of the community.

    ch'er
    Guest
    ch'er

    why no NY Rabbonium ???????????????????????

    To #4
    Guest
    To #4

    There are many who report abuse , some have evidence and many many do not by the time they report it. It doesn’t mean it never happened. It’s true that some do lie about it even abusers will blame their victims. Most do not lie about being abused and many of them aren’t beleived bec they can’t prove it. I am a victim of child and adult abuse and there’s no evidence of any of it since my state of mind wasn’t focused on collecting evidence.

    To #7
    Guest
    To #7

    You are right, but I would think certain conditions would have to be met, like the abuser doesn’t stay in the home or go to his children’s schools etc. But yes, if the relatives are as horrified as the rest of us, we have a moral obligation to protect them and help them as much as we can. I personally know of cases where despite conviction, wives welcome their husbands back into the home. One actually ran a day care out of her home and still he moved back in. Those women should leave their communities if they believe their… Read more »

    Crown Heights
    Guest
    Crown Heights

    Interesting to note that NOT ONE CH Rabbinic Authority signs on this vital document. There must be a reason abuse is so rampant in our neighborhood. Who r they protecting? Or should we not ask? We are at least a large community as any one of those represented by the Rabbonim who signed this doc. Kol HaKavod to them for standing up to the perpetrators in order to protect the victims.

    Emes and tshuvah
    Guest
    Emes and tshuvah

    My concern is interest of truth some rabbis who signed this themselves were involved in possible cover ups or shunning victims etc
    At the same time there is place for positive change and tshuva on these rabbis part
    I like that they express remorse and direct reporting directly to authorities and saying there’s no need to ask rabbis prior to reporting

    Workplace and / or Boss
    Guest
    Workplace and / or Boss

    I don’t c where above statement excludes the work place or one’s boss. Abuse of any type or form across the board is just that and includes any type or form of space and individual perpetrating the abuse, imho.

    wondering
    Guest
    wondering

    Why no rabbincal authority from Crown Heights signed?

    Thank You
    Guest
    Thank You

    Very glad to see that something productive is happening.. Although only 7 Rabbonim – I think it is a wonderful new beginning. Now Shluchim from all over should sign and promise that they will support the victim regardless of political status. That would be a tremendous deal! Moshiach Now!

    To #4
    Guest
    To #4

    Someone could be telling the truth and still not prove it.

    How many rabbis were asked to sign?
    Guest
    How many rabbis were asked to sign?

    If you know the information plz post who declined to sign

    yasher koach!
    Guest
    yasher koach!

    where is the out cry from raboni chabad in Israel from the sexual abuse cases happing there

    COL left out major info
    Guest
    COL left out major info

    This document is more progressive than the article portrays. Take a look at the proclamation. It says molesters should be publicly exposed. Is this a nod of approval to the infamous Wall of Shame? (JCW)

    Mandate court reporters
    Guest
    Mandate court reporters

    Any teacher working in a Head Start or day care facility in our community, as well as liscensed therapists , they are required by law to report any sort of neglect or abuse to Agency for Child Services. They are to look at children daily on their hands faces , for any sort of abuse. Unfortunately, frum communities sweep things under the rug. We can not ignore, we must step up yo the plate and advocate for these children. Before reporting anyone to authorities, the school gets involved and that is where it ends. Before schools open yearly, as part… Read more »

    So basically ......
    Guest
    So basically ......

    Rabbis have admitted they are not capable of any power and or influence whatsoever within their communities and therefore because of all the pressure that has come out of recent they are forced to finally admit to this sorry confession.

    Yossi A
    Guest
    Yossi A

    To #12

    YES.
    VERY true& sad.
    Let’s hope that the Rabbi you are refering to truly did an about face when dealing with sexual abuse…….

    Our Rabbonim
    Guest
    Our Rabbonim

    Already said this before

    people have maliciously reported abuse that was false
    Guest
    people have maliciously reported abuse that was false

    there is nothing wrong with first discussing this with a rov who is very well versed in these things

    there should be help for "abusers" too
    Guest
    there should be help for "abusers" too

    most abusers wish that they did not have the urge to do these things
    there should be help and a place for them to reach out to help them PREVENT hurting people in the first place

    Wall of Shame
    Guest
    Wall of Shame

    Cannot be a Jewish concept.
    It is vindictive and serves no purpose. It doesn’t stop new molesters. They can’t help themselves. It ruins families for generations. Shaming people especially publicly is a harsh sin on the Torah. Even if exposes molesters.
    Sure, we must take every precaution to keep molesters away from children. But shaming them, their wives, children and grandchildren – is not helping that mission.
    It is just vicious. It creates a new set of victims the innocent wife, children and grandchildren. Who made their blood spillable?

    Abuse is not dealt with in crown heights
    Guest
    Abuse is not dealt with in crown heights

    What’s going on in crown heights ,rabbis and men and woman authorities discourage all kinds of victims from speaking out or leaving their abusers and undermine their abuse. It’s time to turn the victim into survivor instead of trying to change an abuser.

    To #25
    Guest
    To #25

    It’s time to start changing the victims by turning them into survivors.

    Its a no brainer!!
    Guest
    Its a no brainer!!

    Err, why would anybody in their right mind, even think to seek rabbinic approval prior to reporting a crime, especially from some of those signitures!!

     Two Sides To The Coin
    Guest
    Two Sides To The Coin

    Abuse is unacceptable … BUT there are enough evil
    spirited lowlifes who have used the option of reporting
    false accusations of abuse as a weapon against those
    whom they seek to harm for personal reasons.
    The above Rabbis should come up with better solutions!!!

    #12
    Guest
    #12

    It was actually the parents on shlichus who hid this abuse, they did NOT report the abuse to police.
    They were perhaps scared about shidduchim problems if their daughter’s abuse became public.
    I’m don’t follow blindly any organization or individual.

    Its a Sad very sad day
    Guest
    Its a Sad very sad day

    The Rabbis have basically raised the white flag in surrender they are not capable of handling their internal affairs of the Jewish community. What a crying shame. Instead of finding ways to improve the standards of our Rabbis we have given in to the goyishe authorities.
    Signed by a Rabbi.

    Not ok!!
    Guest
    Not ok!!

    Reporting someone as a child molester is a sure-fire way to exact revenge on an innocent person. I know PERSONALLY several instances of innocent people (whom the POLICE and AUTHORITIES CLEARED THEIR NAME) whose lives were destroyed because of false claims of abuse. And I agree 100% with #25. The abusers are only acting that way because they were abused themselves in some way!! They need just as much pity / help as their victims!!!

    #25 #32
    Guest
    #25 #32

    our rabbonim have no authority in the secular orld. they are correct in saying go to the police. also why are you trying to defend the molester? yes he can help himself or the torah would give way out. he is just an animal and acting like one. and if his family suffers, he should have thought of this before he ruined the lives of innocent children. if a father was to die his family would suffer so ask g-d why he is making the family suffer when all he wants is the man dead? megalgelim zechus al yedi zaki… Read more »

    #32 No name Rabbi
    Guest
    #32 No name Rabbi

    Wow!! What do you have to hide with a comment like that. Are you afraid of the authorities here and in Israel. Those Rabbi leaders don’t have the know how or the tools to deal with this except to hide them into different communities in different countries to continue the cycle elsewhere because you believe it’s better not to bring them to the authorities whether Jew or non Jew. “A crying Shame” for those that hide behind our beautiful religion and turning it into pedophile heaven. Hi

    Good Press for them
    Guest
    Good Press for them

    Interesting , after decades of silence , I assune it suits these Rabbis to be seen as good fellows

    WOW

    Easy Way Out
    Guest
    Easy Way Out

    Obviously they have been burdened with too many
    problems. Judging case by case to see what is true and
    what is false and come to a halachic conclusion
    is too much work. So they found a “solution” . Go to the
    secular and help the evil minded to destroy innocent
    people…

    #37 I Agree 100%
    Guest
    #37 I Agree 100%

    Shame on those Rabbis who shirk off their responsibilities.

    #35
    Guest
    #35

    Why are you so angry. How about you set an example and sign with your own real name before asking others to do so.

    Purpose of the wall of shame is...
    Guest
    Purpose of the wall of shame is...

    To protect families, children, and potential victims when nobody else will!

    The authorities don't just convict people.
    Guest
    The authorities don't just convict people.

    All those righteous people complaining that the rabbis should be the ones to determine whether a claim is true, are missing the point. It was never a Rov’s job to decide when someone should be reported to the police. In addition, the police won’t convict someone of CSA until they have good proof. So for all those complaining that lives will be ruined because of false claims have nothing to worry about since the police won’t convict unless their certain

    #41
    Guest
    #41

    Do you trust the police to decide your fate? Put yourself
    in that place!!!

    To #10
    Guest
    To #10

    You may have a point however yes there are some ppl who are accused of things out of hatred! And there is no proof but they already have a bad name! Can a wife welcome him home?
    What if the person dos do something and needed to go to therapy and the doctors/police gave a clear that he is not a danger ?
    You seem to have a lot of hate in you!
    Get your facts straight before accusing ppl.

    You're all forgetting something
    Guest
    You're all forgetting something

    THE VICTIMS! They need and deserve justice and the knowledge that their attackers won’t harm anyone else. HOW are Rabbis supposed to do that? They don’t have any power! They can’t even control their own Kehillot. I’ll bet most of you who say just go to a Rav are either blind groupies or at risk for disclosure. This might not be as good as it can be, but it’s a great start. And FTR – as a mandated reporter, but very naive in those days, I DID go to the Av Beis Din (in another community) He did nothing, so… Read more »

    Trust the Rabbis?
    Guest
    Trust the Rabbis?

    To #42
    Do you trust the rabbis to decide your fate? Put yourself
    in that place!!! How many reports have we read about corrupt rabbis over the last couple of years?

    to #24
    Guest
    to #24

    Please tell me where you can find a rov “well versed on these things”
    This is precisley why you need to avoid rabonim. For years people assumed a rov would help them and instead, the hushed it.
    Stop having blind faith.

    Obvious
    Guest
    Obvious

    This is a no-brainer. The Rabbis signing are doing the responsible thing. The state has authority in these matters. Yes, there is a risk that people will rat on other people about which there is no evidence (or could be making up outright lies) and ruin lives but that is always a risk whether the Rabbis give their support to going to the authorities or not. Someone can always spread a lie about another person. Overall this should help as a deterrent to someone who might have the urge to commit abuse. If they know that it is harder and… Read more »

    #41 You are missing the point
    Guest
    #41 You are missing the point

    Please carefully read the post by #33 with one important line being; “(whom the POLICE and AUTHORITIES CLEARED THEIR NAME)” So obviously the issue is not just about whether the police will convict an innocent person, but that even when they do not convict, that does not mean that the lives of innocent people can’t be ruined and destroyed. This kind of abuse of children (and bullying and other abuses of adults, like in communities and in the work place for example, which I know of first hand, how horrible and life destroying it can be) is totally evil and… Read more »

    #45
    Guest
    #45

    I refer to those worthy of the title Rabbi. Those who work
    according to the laws of our HOLY TORAH.
    When your fate is at stake let us know if the police are
    your best friends.

    to 49
    Guest
    to 49

    only police and the court system gave me and my children the protection we needed. the rabbonim and mashpiim? sent me back to him repeatedly despite knowing what had happened.
    and once i found the courage to go to police and court? we were left at best to hang dry, at worst further abused, by the same rabonim, mashpiim and shluchim who knew what we had been through and were still facing. without the goyim involved we would be homeless and penniless and in danger right now.

    #50
    Guest
    #50

    Nobody is judging you especially being clueless to what you
    have been through. Generally speaking , every case is
    different and therefore should be assessed as how to best
    deal with it. Secular courts is a last resort. Its not a one size
    fits all.

    With but every case is different

    will the evil JCW finally stop
    Guest
    will the evil JCW finally stop

    Rabonim have been saying to goto police for years.
    JCW prefers to be instigator, witness and hurt and executioner.
    After posting the selected supposed abusers who they want to shame they anounce “goto police”.
    I know of a case prominently featured where all proffesional and police cleared the guy but JCW still shame him
    Another 2 cases are not publicly shamed thank gd even though they are known to jcw and police.

    Because JCW has other priorities.
    Shut down the evil site and GOTO POLICE

    rabonim
    Guest
    rabonim

    not every lubavitcher who is a rav/daya, is a “lubavitcher rov”. a few of these signed are daynim in a very modern BD which does not require mechitzos in shuls. they are fine individuals, but are not “rabonei chabad”

     Thank You #53
    Guest
    Thank You #53

    Thanks for clarifying that its a Lubavitch decision.

    Correction - Thank You #53
    Guest
    Correction - Thank You #53

    Thanks for clarifying that its NOT a Lubavitch decision.

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