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8 Rabbis Obligate Reporting Abuse

8 Chabad Rabbis signed onto a letter stating, "there is no need to seek rabbinic approval prior to reporting" all forms of abuse. Full Story

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Correction - Thank You #53
September 19, 2017 10:30 pm

Thanks for clarifying that its NOT a Lubavitch decision.

Thank You #53
September 19, 2017 4:35 pm

Thanks for clarifying that its a Lubavitch decision.

September 19, 2017 11:53 am

not every lubavitcher who is a rav/daya, is a “lubavitcher rov”. a few of these signed are daynim in a very modern BD which does not require mechitzos in shuls. they are fine individuals, but are not “rabonei chabad”

will the evil JCW finally stop
September 19, 2017 3:26 am

Rabonim have been saying to goto police for years.
JCW prefers to be instigator, witness and hurt and executioner.
After posting the selected supposed abusers who they want to shame they anounce “goto police”.
I know of a case prominently featured where all proffesional and police cleared the guy but JCW still shame him
Another 2 cases are not publicly shamed thank gd even though they are known to jcw and police.

Because JCW has other priorities.
Shut down the evil site and GOTO POLICE

September 19, 2017 12:11 am

Nobody is judging you especially being clueless to what you
have been through. Generally speaking , every case is
different and therefore should be assessed as how to best
deal with it. Secular courts is a last resort. Its not a one size
fits all.

With but every case is different

to 49
September 18, 2017 9:15 pm

only police and the court system gave me and my children the protection we needed. the rabbonim and mashpiim? sent me back to him repeatedly despite knowing what had happened.
and once i found the courage to go to police and court? we were left at best to hang dry, at worst further abused, by the same rabonim, mashpiim and shluchim who knew what we had been through and were still facing. without the goyim involved we would be homeless and penniless and in danger right now.

September 18, 2017 12:42 pm

I refer to those worthy of the title Rabbi. Those who work
according to the laws of our HOLY TORAH.
When your fate is at stake let us know if the police are
your best friends.

#41 You are missing the point
September 18, 2017 10:49 am

Please carefully read the post by #33 with one important line being; “(whom the POLICE and AUTHORITIES CLEARED THEIR NAME)” So obviously the issue is not just about whether the police will convict an innocent person, but that even when they do not convict, that does not mean that the lives of innocent people can’t be ruined and destroyed. This kind of abuse of children (and bullying and other abuses of adults, like in communities and in the work place for example, which I know of first hand, how horrible and life destroying it can be) is totally evil and… Read more »

September 18, 2017 9:08 am

This is a no-brainer. The Rabbis signing are doing the responsible thing. The state has authority in these matters. Yes, there is a risk that people will rat on other people about which there is no evidence (or could be making up outright lies) and ruin lives but that is always a risk whether the Rabbis give their support to going to the authorities or not. Someone can always spread a lie about another person. Overall this should help as a deterrent to someone who might have the urge to commit abuse. If they know that it is harder and… Read more »

to #24
September 18, 2017 9:01 am

Please tell me where you can find a rov “well versed on these things”
This is precisley why you need to avoid rabonim. For years people assumed a rov would help them and instead, the hushed it.
Stop having blind faith.

Trust the Rabbis?
September 18, 2017 5:15 am

To #42
Do you trust the rabbis to decide your fate? Put yourself
in that place!!! How many reports have we read about corrupt rabbis over the last couple of years?

You're all forgetting something
September 18, 2017 12:23 am

THE VICTIMS! They need and deserve justice and the knowledge that their attackers won’t harm anyone else. HOW are Rabbis supposed to do that? They don’t have any power! They can’t even control their own Kehillot. I’ll bet most of you who say just go to a Rav are either blind groupies or at risk for disclosure. This might not be as good as it can be, but it’s a great start. And FTR – as a mandated reporter, but very naive in those days, I DID go to the Av Beis Din (in another community) He did nothing, so… Read more »

To #10
September 17, 2017 9:30 pm

You may have a point however yes there are some ppl who are accused of things out of hatred! And there is no proof but they already have a bad name! Can a wife welcome him home?
What if the person dos do something and needed to go to therapy and the doctors/police gave a clear that he is not a danger ?
You seem to have a lot of hate in you!
Get your facts straight before accusing ppl.

September 17, 2017 8:28 pm

Do you trust the police to decide your fate? Put yourself
in that place!!!

The authorities don't just convict people.
September 17, 2017 8:13 pm

All those righteous people complaining that the rabbis should be the ones to determine whether a claim is true, are missing the point. It was never a Rov’s job to decide when someone should be reported to the police. In addition, the police won’t convict someone of CSA until they have good proof. So for all those complaining that lives will be ruined because of false claims have nothing to worry about since the police won’t convict unless their certain

Purpose of the wall of shame is...
September 17, 2017 7:34 pm

To protect families, children, and potential victims when nobody else will!

September 17, 2017 7:33 pm

Why are you so angry. How about you set an example and sign with your own real name before asking others to do so.

#37 I Agree 100%
September 17, 2017 6:57 pm

Shame on those Rabbis who shirk off their responsibilities.

Easy Way Out
September 17, 2017 6:53 pm

Obviously they have been burdened with too many
problems. Judging case by case to see what is true and
what is false and come to a halachic conclusion
is too much work. So they found a “solution” . Go to the
secular and help the evil minded to destroy innocent

Good Press for them
September 17, 2017 5:58 pm

Interesting , after decades of silence , I assune it suits these Rabbis to be seen as good fellows


#32 No name Rabbi
September 17, 2017 5:43 pm

Wow!! What do you have to hide with a comment like that. Are you afraid of the authorities here and in Israel. Those Rabbi leaders don’t have the know how or the tools to deal with this except to hide them into different communities in different countries to continue the cycle elsewhere because you believe it’s better not to bring them to the authorities whether Jew or non Jew. “A crying Shame” for those that hide behind our beautiful religion and turning it into pedophile heaven. Hi

#25 #32
September 17, 2017 5:31 pm

our rabbonim have no authority in the secular orld. they are correct in saying go to the police. also why are you trying to defend the molester? yes he can help himself or the torah would give way out. he is just an animal and acting like one. and if his family suffers, he should have thought of this before he ruined the lives of innocent children. if a father was to die his family would suffer so ask g-d why he is making the family suffer when all he wants is the man dead? megalgelim zechus al yedi zaki… Read more »

Not ok!!
September 17, 2017 5:14 pm

Reporting someone as a child molester is a sure-fire way to exact revenge on an innocent person. I know PERSONALLY several instances of innocent people (whom the POLICE and AUTHORITIES CLEARED THEIR NAME) whose lives were destroyed because of false claims of abuse. And I agree 100% with #25. The abusers are only acting that way because they were abused themselves in some way!! They need just as much pity / help as their victims!!!

Its a Sad very sad day
September 17, 2017 4:34 pm

The Rabbis have basically raised the white flag in surrender they are not capable of handling their internal affairs of the Jewish community. What a crying shame. Instead of finding ways to improve the standards of our Rabbis we have given in to the goyishe authorities.
Signed by a Rabbi.

September 17, 2017 3:37 pm

It was actually the parents on shlichus who hid this abuse, they did NOT report the abuse to police.
They were perhaps scared about shidduchim problems if their daughter’s abuse became public.
I’m don’t follow blindly any organization or individual.

Two Sides To The Coin
September 17, 2017 2:47 pm

Abuse is unacceptable … BUT there are enough evil
spirited lowlifes who have used the option of reporting
false accusations of abuse as a weapon against those
whom they seek to harm for personal reasons.
The above Rabbis should come up with better solutions!!!

Its a no brainer!!
September 17, 2017 2:38 pm

Err, why would anybody in their right mind, even think to seek rabbinic approval prior to reporting a crime, especially from some of those signitures!!

To #25
September 17, 2017 2:35 pm

It’s time to start changing the victims by turning them into survivors.

Abuse is not dealt with in crown heights
September 17, 2017 2:20 pm

What’s going on in crown heights ,rabbis and men and woman authorities discourage all kinds of victims from speaking out or leaving their abusers and undermine their abuse. It’s time to turn the victim into survivor instead of trying to change an abuser.

Wall of Shame
September 17, 2017 2:03 pm

Cannot be a Jewish concept.
It is vindictive and serves no purpose. It doesn’t stop new molesters. They can’t help themselves. It ruins families for generations. Shaming people especially publicly is a harsh sin on the Torah. Even if exposes molesters.
Sure, we must take every precaution to keep molesters away from children. But shaming them, their wives, children and grandchildren – is not helping that mission.
It is just vicious. It creates a new set of victims the innocent wife, children and grandchildren. Who made their blood spillable?

there should be help for "abusers" too
September 17, 2017 2:02 pm

most abusers wish that they did not have the urge to do these things
there should be help and a place for them to reach out to help them PREVENT hurting people in the first place

people have maliciously reported abuse that was false
September 17, 2017 2:00 pm

there is nothing wrong with first discussing this with a rov who is very well versed in these things

Our Rabbonim
September 17, 2017 2:00 pm

Already said this before

Yossi A
September 17, 2017 1:49 pm

To #12

VERY true& sad.
Let’s hope that the Rabbi you are refering to truly did an about face when dealing with sexual abuse…….

So basically ......
September 17, 2017 1:46 pm

Rabbis have admitted they are not capable of any power and or influence whatsoever within their communities and therefore because of all the pressure that has come out of recent they are forced to finally admit to this sorry confession.

Mandate court reporters
September 17, 2017 1:44 pm

Any teacher working in a Head Start or day care facility in our community, as well as liscensed therapists , they are required by law to report any sort of neglect or abuse to Agency for Child Services. They are to look at children daily on their hands faces , for any sort of abuse. Unfortunately, frum communities sweep things under the rug. We can not ignore, we must step up yo the plate and advocate for these children. Before reporting anyone to authorities, the school gets involved and that is where it ends. Before schools open yearly, as part… Read more »

COL left out major info
September 17, 2017 1:44 pm

This document is more progressive than the article portrays. Take a look at the proclamation. It says molesters should be publicly exposed. Is this a nod of approval to the infamous Wall of Shame? (JCW)

yasher koach!
September 17, 2017 1:44 pm

where is the out cry from raboni chabad in Israel from the sexual abuse cases happing there

How many rabbis were asked to sign?
September 17, 2017 1:39 pm

If you know the information plz post who declined to sign

To #4
September 17, 2017 1:38 pm

Someone could be telling the truth and still not prove it.

Thank You
September 17, 2017 1:32 pm

Very glad to see that something productive is happening.. Although only 7 Rabbonim – I think it is a wonderful new beginning. Now Shluchim from all over should sign and promise that they will support the victim regardless of political status. That would be a tremendous deal! Moshiach Now!

September 17, 2017 1:32 pm

Why no rabbincal authority from Crown Heights signed?

Workplace and / or Boss
September 17, 2017 1:24 pm

I don’t c where above statement excludes the work place or one’s boss. Abuse of any type or form across the board is just that and includes any type or form of space and individual perpetrating the abuse, imho.

Emes and tshuvah
September 17, 2017 1:24 pm

My concern is interest of truth some rabbis who signed this themselves were involved in possible cover ups or shunning victims etc
At the same time there is place for positive change and tshuva on these rabbis part
I like that they express remorse and direct reporting directly to authorities and saying there’s no need to ask rabbis prior to reporting

Crown Heights
September 17, 2017 1:18 pm

Interesting to note that NOT ONE CH Rabbinic Authority signs on this vital document. There must be a reason abuse is so rampant in our neighborhood. Who r they protecting? Or should we not ask? We are at least a large community as any one of those represented by the Rabbonim who signed this doc. Kol HaKavod to them for standing up to the perpetrators in order to protect the victims.

To #7
September 17, 2017 1:16 pm

You are right, but I would think certain conditions would have to be met, like the abuser doesn’t stay in the home or go to his children’s schools etc. But yes, if the relatives are as horrified as the rest of us, we have a moral obligation to protect them and help them as much as we can. I personally know of cases where despite conviction, wives welcome their husbands back into the home. One actually ran a day care out of her home and still he moved back in. Those women should leave their communities if they believe their… Read more »

To #4
September 17, 2017 1:10 pm

There are many who report abuse , some have evidence and many many do not by the time they report it. It doesn’t mean it never happened. It’s true that some do lie about it even abusers will blame their victims. Most do not lie about being abused and many of them aren’t beleived bec they can’t prove it. I am a victim of child and adult abuse and there’s no evidence of any of it since my state of mind wasn’t focused on collecting evidence.

September 17, 2017 1:02 pm

why no NY Rabbonium ???????????????????????

September 17, 2017 12:57 pm

wonderful- keep in mind that if someone is an abuser his/her relatives most likely didn”t know about it and it”s not their fault. they suffer – make sure they can still be a part of the community.

BH yes
September 17, 2017 12:51 pm

This is great! Finally

September 17, 2017 12:31 pm

Wonderful news!

not so simple
September 17, 2017 11:56 am

there are many many many people who have reported “abuse” with little proof and majorly embarrassed and messed peoples lives

A Survivor
September 17, 2017 11:27 am

Why are there only 7 signatures on this???

Good start
September 17, 2017 11:21 am

Included should be workplace violence and abuse from your boss.

This is very very applicable in today’s frum workforce.

Yasher koach!
September 17, 2017 11:18 am

Yasher Koach!
May this only reduce the occurrences of such atrocities amongst us!