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ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
June 20, 2010 1:53 pm

I KNOW THIS WILL FALL ON DEAF EARS BUT HERE GOES. HASN’T ANYONE HEARD OF THE CONCEPT LIVE AND LET LIVE? I DIDN’T GROW UP IN CROWN HEIGHTS, I HAVE LIVED HERE FOR 23 YEARS HOWEVER. DON’T PEOPLE GET IT THAT EVERYONE HAS A RIGHT TO THEIR FEELINGS AND OPINIONS. LIFE IS HARD, SOME OF US ARE HONEST, HARD WORKING PEOPLE WHO CAN’T MANAGE ALL THE EXPENSES OF LIFE,LIKE THE OUTRAGEOUS COST OF FOOD HERE IN CROWN HEIGHTS, LIKE CAMPS AND TUITIONS AND MORTGAGES AND CLOTHING ETC.. THIS MACHLOKES IS MAKING IT HARDER BECAUSE THAN NO ONE CONCENTRATES ON WHAT… Read more »

Who's been against a Din torah/Zabla all along?!
June 20, 2010 2:17 am

The ONLY way to end the macloikes (and TRAGEDIES) once and for all is to go to a Din torah/Zabla.

Hello #50
June 20, 2010 1:34 am

THERE ARE MANY MORE BELIEVERS IN OTHER DEITIES WHO HAVE ALSO EXPERIENCED MIRACLES AND CREDITED THEM TO THEIR SAVIOR.
We are a people who base our belief on Torah not on miracles.

HELLO #17
June 20, 2010 12:09 am

I HAVE THE WORLD OF PITY ON YOUR POOR SOUL.. I FOR ONE AM A (AMERICAN) ”MASHICHIST”! AND AWFULLY PROUD OF IT. AND BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THE REBBE, KING MOSHIACH IS STILL WITH US (JUST AS DOVID MELECH YISROEL CHAY VEKAYOM), I WAS ABLE TO WHIZ THROUGH THE MOST MAJOR SURGERY WITHOUT THE SLIGHTEST PROBLEM WHAT SO EVER. FORCING THE DOCTORS TO CONCLUDE THIS WAS ABOVE NATURE. ALL I CAN SAY TO YOU NUMBER 17, FROM THIS AND MANY MORE PERSONAL ABSOLUTE MIRACLES THROUGH THE REBBE MELECH HAMOSHIACH TODAY IS:: YECHI ADONEINU MOREINU VERABEINU MELECH HAMOSHIACH LEOLOM VOED!!!!!

Beis Shmuel member
June 18, 2010 7:07 pm

Yes there are a lot Shweys ppl very very -in fact extremely -disappointed, and are grabbing any straw to keep their head up….well in wont help you any dirth trowing (did you ever hear that…. Rabbi Osdoba who is trying to stop the court, which is the best thing a Rov could do… yet the Shwey boys are trying to find only shmutz with everything he’ll do) it wont help you guys THE COMMUNITY VOTED YOU OUT…accept it these are the facts…

hu making problems from nothing !!!!!!
June 18, 2010 2:43 pm

disaster what would the rebbe do about it!!????

hu making problems from nothing @!!!!!!
June 18, 2010 2:42 pm
Katzman--NEW or same old?
June 18, 2010 2:11 pm

Well, I guess now we know who is really behind the “anonymous” (aka pashkvil) website, ANewCrownHeights. It’s Katzman. And his vision for our shchunah includes only his particularly toxic brand of machlokes. Shame, shame, shame. It seems all it takes is one person to destroy an entire community.

Reply to 35
June 18, 2010 12:45 pm

How dare you call the singing of Yechi “WILD PROPAGANDA” when the Rebbe publicly encouraged this before Gimel Tamuz and Rabbi Marlow pask’nd, after Gimel Tamuz that it is al pi halacha permissible to put it on the Paroches. If this is not according to your taste, then don’t daven there. But don’t besmirch a group of Jews that are promoting what the Rebbe encouraged them to promote

The venue of 770 / from an outsider
June 18, 2010 12:29 pm

What is the primary venue of 770? We all know that it is Bies Rabbienu. But what is the primary venue? A community shul? A yeshivah? Headquarters of Lubavitch Inc.? What is the validity to any gaboim not appointed by Lubavitch Inc.? If the gaboim want everyone to feel comfortable then why not work with Lubavitch Inc.? Isn’t Rabbi Asdoba stating that the primary venue of the building is headquarters of LUbavitch Inc.? Shouldn’t Brod, Rapp, Lavkovsky, and Glukcowsky be part of any solution? Can the yeshiva establish that trouble makers will be kicked out even if in kvutzah? Can… Read more »

SHOLOM!!!
June 18, 2010 12:19 pm

I voted in this election (for those gabboim) because I understood that this election was about sholom.

Levi
June 18, 2010 12:13 pm

I can’t believe that they pulled the wool over my and my friend’s faces. We voted for the EXACT opposite. It seems like these individuals – Katsman and co. – are determined to perpetuate the Machlokes R”l. Had this position been made clear 1 day “before” the elections, I’m sure that several hundred voters wouldn’t have supported the “new crown heights” group… I feel like those who voted for Obama because they wanted a breath of fresh air and young blood, but were utterly shocked when they learned about his real (hidden) agenda… Katzman, you did a fabulous job in… Read more »

#36
June 18, 2010 12:05 pm

The content of this letter is absurd, and I’m sure that Rabbi Osdobo had absolutely NO intention that this letter will be followed. It is just that he is attempting to politically position himself for the elections for a 3rd Rov. He is trying to play into the politics of a certain group so that they will come out en mass (some of whom have boycotted the elections even when the Rebbe gave a dolor for each voter!) to vote for his pick. For the record: the gaboim NEVER took Krinsky or Shemtov to court!!! And they cant take it… Read more »

The community was fooled!
June 18, 2010 12:00 pm

I spoke to a few friends before the elections about which Gabaim to vote for, and they said Menachem Gerlitski because he has a loud voice and we need to be able to hear the Hachrazos, etc. When I told them “don’t you understand that this group of Gabaim is taking sides with Krinsky just to get Rabbi Shvey out”? “Don’t you know that they are campaigning that 770 needs to be a place where Shemtov can farb?” They said no! They did not know about all this. It is true that there is a big part of the community… Read more »

To #29
June 18, 2010 11:56 am

Deaer CH resident member of Beis Shmuel, What does it take to gain your respect? If a Rov goes strictly according to the Torah and the directives of the Rebbe, then he must be old fashioned and not worthy of my respect. But if he becomes politically savvy and starts pandering and posturing to gain more votes in the upcoming elections for Rabbonim, well then he is a Rov worthy of the highest level or respect. What is your definition of respect? To be like Bibi, Sharon etc. who pose like right wingers, and then after being elected, they go… Read more »

To #17
June 18, 2010 11:42 am

So you are calling the REBBE a lier CH”V. He said that M”YAD refers to MEM=MOSHIACH (Menachem Sh”moi), YUD=yosef Yitzchok & DALET= Dovber. Healso said that the NOSI hador is the Moshiach She’bidor.

dumbfounded
June 18, 2010 11:33 am

if Rabbi Osdoba really wanted what is best for the community he would wait for a 3rd rov as instructed by Rabbi Rosenberg, he is not king, just one of three rabbonim.

relax
June 18, 2010 10:55 am

1)r osdaba didnt write a leeter on the bais din letter head. its from his persnal. 2) why u on katzman. whats he got to do with R. osdaba letter he acted on his own. he knows whats going on. 3) he didnt give a Pesak he just ask them to please stop fighting and make a zablo. thats perfctly fine. hes asking NO CURT. thats why the new gaboyim where elected.

TIME TO END THIS NONSENSE
June 18, 2010 10:51 am

Its about time that merkos – Rabbi Krinsky get up and take control of this crazy situation. I am a born and bred Crown Heightser who hasnt stepped foot in 770 in 10 years – and I grew up here and spent most of my teen years in 770. Its time for Merkos to take charge and get rid of all the people that have taken over the Rebbe’s shul for far too long. What about all the rest of us, regular people that want to be able to daven in a normal shul, the way we remember it? without… Read more »

GEOURGE
June 18, 2010 10:48 am

IT SOUNDS LIKE MUSLIMS FIGHTING HOLY WARS

out of towner
June 18, 2010 10:32 am

To all the above, booh hoo hoo!!

so this is CHANGE?!
June 18, 2010 10:28 am

It seems that the interested parties petitioned for change but all we get immediately following the elections is more rebel-rousing and political schemes. We the local residents don’t care about all the back door politics. We want to come to our shul and daven. Let those who want to say Yechi do it in an organized way sans any fan fare. Those that don’t be respected. We want a counsel that will bring programs to the community, help our poor, our yeshivas and keep our streets safe. Shame on all those that feel the need to float to the top… Read more »

Out of Towner....
June 18, 2010 10:00 am

Did ANY of this political mess exist when the Rebbe was alive?? Can someone clarify for me the exact meaning of the word Mishichistim?? Which “side” is more “mishichtic”?? Osdoba? Schwei?? Wouldn’t the Rebbe be totally horrified if he knew what was going on in his neighborhood with the political fights?? I hope someone sees this post and gives me, an “outsider looking in” some answers. Shabbat Shalom.

this is the Rebbe`s shul
June 18, 2010 9:20 am

This whole argument reminds me of the palestinians who want Erets Israel – it is not ours to give it to them and not theirs to take- it is Hashem’s. Same thing with 770 – it is the Rebbe`s shul and whoever urgues about it will lose. ahdus is what we need!

CH resident member of Beis Shmuel
June 18, 2010 9:20 am

Rabbi Osdaba you are gaining my respect more and more, you really deserve the title “the Rebbes Rov”….

Confused
June 18, 2010 9:12 am

I’m really confused: Did the Gaboim take ANYONE to court? Are they suing anyone? I believe they [gaboim] are being taken to court, with Krinsky claiming he wants to EVICT the Gaboim and current shul from 770. Just READ the court documents and you will have do doubt about this. It’s like a landlord takes a tenant to court for proceeding to evict him, then a Rov turns to the tenant, demanding that he withdraw the case from court and go to a Bais Din…. Should I laugh or cry? If you read any of the court documents, you would… Read more »

Answer to # 4
June 18, 2010 9:10 am

How many days has it been since Gimel Tamuz? As of Friday the 6th of Tamuz 5770 (June 18, 2010 L’Misparam) it is 5851 days. Week 836.

Beis Shmuel member
June 18, 2010 9:07 am

I am not sure if you noticed, the letter was not a psak, rather a suggestion, an opinion, something a Rov may have!

You are obviously someone who is an anti-Krinsky, anti-Rebbe hate monger who wants to see fighting go on and on and on, rather then seek peace.

We the community voted against that, so good bye and good riddance to you and the like…

I Was Fooled...
June 18, 2010 9:02 am

Wow, It seems like they took a page right out of the playbook of Barack Hussain Obama. When you have a general population that is fed up with the status quo, not happy with the current situation, you campaign for ‘Hope’, ‘Change’ – ‘fresh new faces’, ‘a new Crown Heights’, new blood, ‘Clean slate’ and the like. Once you win, you turn around and claim that the voters gave you a mandate to make ‘radical’ changes to the way of life of our society. This is exactly what they did, they campaigned for a fresh, new beginning, while slyly, behind… Read more »

Flatbush Chabad
June 18, 2010 8:34 am

We are shocked over this. Once again Rabbi Osdoba breaks all agreements and psak din. HJe shouyld never write a letter on his own. He is a rav with Rabbi Schwei. He wants attention to gain future power. He is being misled by Yosef Katzman. The Crown Heights community must now join together to fight this letter and show Rabbi Osdoba that the community is not a bunch of fools or lemelach. Crown Heights must show him that you know what you want and that is achdus – not one corrupt supreme power. Good Luck to all in the Rebbes… Read more »

Furious and Fuming
June 18, 2010 6:43 am

I can’t believe this letter. Here is another attempt at fooling the community and misrepresenting the facts. This letter is not being addressed to the right party!!! It should be addressed to Krinsky. they are the ones instituting this court case, NOT THE GABBOIM. Its not up to the Gabboim to remove it from court, they are the defendants, its up to Krinsky to remove it from court and sit down with a Bais Din over this disagreement. Here is another example of the community being mislead, “by a Rov”, non the less, who is being, lead by the nose,… Read more »

Katzman is all about Maclokes STOP
June 18, 2010 6:25 am

Every time there seems to be a sholom and positive action comes Katzman and steers things up with yet more machlokes. ENOUGh! The community does not like that! Get machlokes out of our midst!

I told my Husband
June 18, 2010 6:01 am

I told my husband not to vote for Losh-same old same old

who`s shul is it?
June 18, 2010 5:29 am

you people are totally crazy. the shul is NOT a crown heights shul;it is a LUBAVITCHER shul, and dearfor everything in this shul should be under the ruling of agudas chasidei chabad.

SHULL-770
June 18, 2010 5:08 am

IF I REMEMBER CORRECT, THE LETTERS WRITTEN (PAINTED BY SHOLOM JACOBSON) ON THE BUILDING OF 770: BEIS AGUDAS CHSIDEI CHABAD OIHEL YOISEF YITZCHOK LUBBAVITCH. WAS TOLD TO BE WRITTEN BY THE REBBE. ALSO THE SHABOS BEFORE ELECTIONS FOR GABOIM EVERY ONE INCLUDING THE BEIS DIN:HOBEN GUT GECHAPT IBERN KOP. AND THERE WAS NO ANWER FROM THE REBBE TO MAKE ELECTIONS FOR GABOIM,AND THE REBBE DID NOT GIVE MASHKE OR DOLLARS FOR ELLECTIONS FOR GABOIM, SO IT WAS WERRY CLEAR THAT THE REBBE WAS NOT FOR THIS ELECTION. AND BY ELECTIONS OF RABONIM AND VAAD HAKOHOL THE REBBE MADE IT VERY… Read more »

The only real choice for third rov..
June 18, 2010 3:57 am

is Charlie Buttons! Let’s have a funny clown show for once instead of a nasty one!

It's time to put an end to this Yechi nonsense
June 18, 2010 3:52 am

If we don’t, we will lose a generation if not more of disillusioned people, who are being fed damaging nonsense in the name of G-d and the Rebbe. The Rebbe is NOT moshiach, he passed away 16 years ago, he was a great leader and there are amazing life changing lessons to learn from his teachings and that’s that!

As long as we let the meshichistim try to take over Lubavitch, we will continue to damage everyone. It must be put to an end.

why is COL taking sides?
June 18, 2010 3:34 am

“Excitement”?
well that depends on what side your on

i for example, will be UPSET if 770 is run over by krinsky and co.
the rebbe clearly gave the running of the shull to the rabbonim not Mercaz (never mind if Krinsky is Mercaz at all), and thats why Mercaz LOST in court.
i want it be the way, THE REBBE wanted!

Advice not instruction
June 18, 2010 2:54 am

If I read Hebrew correctly, Rabbi Odsdoba only gave advice to the Gabboiim to adjourn the hearings in court to placate the voters, there is no instruction to do anything.

CLEARLY going against Rabbi Rosenburgs Psak!
June 18, 2010 2:37 am

chapter 42 of Rabbi Rozenburgs Psak states:

“Until the election [of a third Rov] there should not be any instruction in writing or verbally, regarding rabbinic matters, without the consent of both rabbis (i.e. rabbis Osdaba and Shwai)”.
this has only rabbi Osdaba’s signiture and not Rabbi Shwai’s, it is therefore a CLEAR break of the Psak, and should be considered null and void!

relax
June 18, 2010 2:27 am

calm down a second. to #3 & #5 this is not a edict or psak, it is a suggestion. therefore does not go against the psak.

Katzman
June 18, 2010 2:21 am

Yep, he’s at it again!

outsider
June 18, 2010 2:15 am

the rav asked for something end of story! why cant u people just listen to the rav and give him the respect he deserves! nothing will ever be settled if u dont listen to them!!!

1 rov or Beis Din?
June 18, 2010 2:10 am

who gave Rabbi Osdobo shlit”o the power to drastically alter the landscape in the Rebbe’s Shchuna? he was elected as ONE ROV, part of a 3 Rov beis din, he can give his halachic opinion publicly ONLY if it concurs with the majority of the Beis Din! I think that this is how the problem with the Rabbonim began in Crown heights: After the passing of Rabbi Y.K. Marlow, Rabbi Osdobo concluded that he is the SOLE Rov of Crown Hights and therefore it is his opinion alone that counts. he seems to refuse to share that power with ANYONE.… Read more »

fact
June 18, 2010 2:06 am

the community are with the gaboim not with krinski

purely political agenda!
June 18, 2010 2:03 am

Many people were duped to vote for “fresh new faces”, “a new crown hight”, a new beginning etc. when in fact there were secret back-room deals made between Katzman and Krinsky and company to use US, the innocent people wanting to finaly see some peace in the Rebbe’s shchuna, they are using our innocence against us, only to further their purely political, and power-grabbing agenda!

shame on Katzman and company!

Is this politics? or…
June 18, 2010 1:24 am

It’s very interesting how in politics, things get very twisted. Do you believe that all the voters for Gerlitzky, Holtzberg and Losh want 770 given over to Krinsky???

Did you see the representatives of Rabbi Osdobo on the “election board”? ALL of them had big Yechi on their Yarmulkes! MOST of his supporters are Mishichistim!

They blindly thought that they are following the Rebbe’s Rov…. Now it seems they were also following a very shrewd, conniving, POLITICAL agenda and group lead by Katzman…

It's a political ploy
June 18, 2010 1:15 am

My opinion is that this is a simple political ploy/scheme: Rabbi Osdobo knows full well that the Gaboim wont do this. He is posturing and positioning himself for the next elections for a 3rd Rov. He wants to align himself with the Krinsky-Shemtov crowd so that they will vote for his nominee as 3rd rov. I sure hope that someone in this community can recruit a candidate for rov that is TOTALLY neutral in the Osdobo/Shwei war. We need to turn a page away from this, not dig ourselves deeper into this hole. Crown Heights residents: PLEASE don’t vote for… Read more »

Dovid
June 18, 2010 1:10 am

Wasn’t there a Psak Din from the Zablo of 5 Rabbonim, headed by Rabbi Rosenberg clearly stating that no public (controversial) step should be taken by either Rov (Osdobo or Shwei) on their own until AFTER the election of a 3rd Rov (in Elul)?

Is Rabbi Osdobo’s letter circumventing this?

Here we go again.....
June 18, 2010 1:07 am

How many days since Gimmel Tammuz has it been?

The King of Crown Heights?
June 18, 2010 12:37 am

What is going on over here? Wasn’t the PSAK DIN form the Zabl”o of 5 Rabbonim, headed by Rabbi Avrohom Rosenberg of Monsey that no 1 Rov should issue edicts to the community without the consent of the other – until the election of a 3rd rov (there is a Bais Din, not 1 king!).

Rabbi Osdobo’s Piskey Dinim are starting to get more interesting by the day. (it is interesting, up until this letter, it seemed to be quite since the beginning of the Din Torah! Are things changing??? I sure hope not)

Moshiach Now!

sick
June 18, 2010 12:25 am

I am so sick of this back and forth mumbo jumbo.

Dave
June 18, 2010 12:18 am

Why doesn’t Rbbi Osdoba ask Krinsky to pull it out of court? He’s the plaintiff!!! I am mad!! I hope the gaboyim don’t listen! And I can’t get over what type of baal machlokes Katzman is! Even after the psak and the elections he keeps campaigning against Rabbi Schwei. Throw him out of Crown Heights!!!

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