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wow
February 1, 2012 11:27 pm

BH
BSD

IS THAT WHAT THE REBBE WOULD LIKE?

It cost MONEY
February 1, 2012 10:49 am

The coffee cost money,the restroom cost money come on!

This has been done before
January 31, 2012 8:55 pm

Famous story you may all recall. Charging people to collect or not allowing people to collect has been done before as stated by Rabbi Levi Yitchok of Bardichiv “IN SEDOM.”

seriusly
January 31, 2012 7:33 pm

just make a rule no colekting during davening because it disturbes the mispalelim imagen you are davening shmona esrey an this guy is standing there wating for you to finish davening and then you cant concentrate and you start praying that he will go away

sick
January 31, 2012 6:48 am

have we become sodom and amorah? I felt the same way when Guiliani said people could not panhandle. Im by no means a bleeding heart liberal. But you cannot take away nor charge for so basic a human right as to beg. Im sorry for all you that are disturbed by them or dont think they are ligit g-d help that you never should have to beg, its so sick to kick someone when they are already down. Like one poster wrote “i dont think avrohom avinu had that attitude” We have forgotten our roots and values.

to number 16
January 30, 2012 8:26 pm

Yes, of course that is true if the person is truly in need of tzedaka. But, what if the person is buying alchohol or drugs? Unfortunately, in this day and age, giving is sometimes aiding an addict. I am a soft- hearted woman who would always give anyone and everyone, because I felt the same, until one day… I saw one of the “usual” customers come into the liquor store where I was, plunk down all his assorted change, and ask for the “usual”.

Ask your rov to give you advice as to who is a true needy recipient.

Another reason not to read the papers.
January 30, 2012 7:13 pm

The Post wasted a chance. It would have been so easy to get a great story by sending in a rookie reporter to try shnorring. Newspapers have the internet machala too — it’s only real if it’s bogged.

Shocked!
January 30, 2012 5:34 pm

I wonder if Avrohom Avinu charged per day for a stay. Aren’t we the one’s carrying on his mesora. Apparently Chabad isn’t!

think about it
January 30, 2012 1:04 pm

i know for a fact that some of these beggars have more money then the average big family of crown heights,but we still have to give-that is the law.so,i thnk it is fair to ask them to pay something back to the community,that supports them

chinese auctions
January 30, 2012 12:03 pm

I believe the chinese auctions charge admission to keep out the beggars.

Shul bills
January 30, 2012 11:05 am

since when do the gaboim pay for electricity?

thanks #7
January 30, 2012 10:07 am

thanks #7

בחירה חופשית
January 30, 2012 4:48 am

if other shuls are free why do thay come to 770 and pay $5 ???
mabee its still whorthwile for them and shul gets income too

Maaser
January 30, 2012 2:56 am

Just make it obligatory for the beggars to give their maaser money to 770. They’ll collect much moe that way!

I hold from what 770 is doing

to #18 & 20
January 30, 2012 2:11 am

why should u anyway agree with that?

WHAT???!!!!!!
January 30, 2012 2:08 am

that really doesn’t make sense al all, and anyway it’s not fair …

seriously
January 30, 2012 1:30 am

you cant let them get their parnossah in peace you have to find a way to get money out of them also like they dont have enough problems already without this???!!!????!!!!

Essa
January 29, 2012 10:52 pm

If someone is really at the end of his/ her financial rope, there are numerous institutions that can help. This is new York city in the 21st century- not to be crass, but people generally dont starve to death. Theres food stamps, unemployment, wic, disability, chjcc food pantry, and more. I don’t feel sympathetic for panhandlers because with a little effort they can receive aid from a few different places, especially if they are legitimate and really do need the help. Worst comes to worst, even making a living as a garbage collector is better than collecting money- the gemara… Read more »

educate the poor
January 29, 2012 10:45 pm

use the $5 to give these people a course in halacha
where in davening you can interrupt a mespalel that he should
stop davening and give them ….
as we see those who come with a Jewish education
do not disturb when they are not suppose to…

to#15
January 29, 2012 10:25 pm

who is youre rov?

to #14
January 29, 2012 9:49 pm

“have them “register” so you can check them out to see if they’re allowed to beg”
RIGHT ON!

they should have to pay a license fee
January 29, 2012 9:39 pm

most established jewish communities have a vaad atzdakah that gives certificates to collectors. The pay an $80 fee to obtain these cetificates and the vaad does research on these individuals as to verify why they collect. If they are not ligit they do not get a certificate.

i only agreed with them after i read this
January 29, 2012 9:39 pm

Another gabbai, also asked not to be named, said: “They get free shelter, coffee, cake, a chance to raise money – $5 is not a percentage.”

shlomo
January 29, 2012 9:31 pm

with my russian background if someone was ask me before i read. i will answer sure, it always work in this manerr. any doubdt. especialy in rusiia and franse it going for hundred years. nobody can beg w/o pay. even in kotel maaravi (i see it in arutz2) it vos tah some sousand dollars in month to beg. and only after police enter agetn ti was inwestigate, but finaly nobody arested. why amaricans so naive? other side. it some place in CH that needed can get kosher food, you never see beggars asking for food, and real needed people beg… Read more »

one scary one...
January 29, 2012 9:23 pm

there is this 1 scary looking guy who is seen collecting every morning in 770 and outside the mikva on kingston avenue late every friday. I have seen him eating and drinking at starbucks in park slope whilst on his ipad. he should be kept away.

mordechai
January 29, 2012 9:07 pm

I’ve heard it from their mouths…they earn more this way then by getting a real job…I have no pity for them…and when u give them ur own hard earned money and they don’t agree with the donation…some even throw it back at you….most don’t come from ch…and some go to all the jewish communities…maybe I should quit my career….and do this…I’ll make more money for my family….

What about Temple Emmanuel?
January 29, 2012 8:35 pm

Do they allow beggars to panhandle in Temple Emmanuel? What about Riverside Church and Patrick’s Cathedral?

they should charge some of them 100$
January 29, 2012 8:24 pm

there are quite a few phonies out there

chutzpah to call shluchim beggers
January 29, 2012 8:19 pm
I happen to agree.............
January 29, 2012 8:05 pm

ever “tom dick & harry” can come to 770…………& make afew bucks they can giv 5 or 10 dollars to the Shul…….

o ya
January 29, 2012 7:39 pm

if you read it its so good becuse why not?????
b/c if you go over there you will see them and they will ask you for money that we dont have but we still have to give b/c they dont have and if they don’t have we should give then bet we dont have any thing to give then but these who can give shuld give GET IT BECUSE I DONT

Insight
January 29, 2012 7:15 pm

There’s a letter from the Rebbe in Igros in which he writes that if one is not sure whether certain charities are really deserving, one should recognize that it could probably be argued that he himself doesn’t deserve the kindness bestowed upon him by the Airbishter. The solution, then, says the Rebbe, is to give to other unquestionable charities IN ADDITION to the questionable one. (Don’t remember the volume off-hand, but a quick look at the maftechos should resolve give you that info)

These people rarely have the Din of being a Tzedakah case
January 29, 2012 7:08 pm

ask your Rov if giving these people $$ is being Mikayim the Mitzvah of Tzedakah… mine says no.

Just wrong
January 29, 2012 7:03 pm

Either kick them out, let them beg for free or have them “register” so you can check them out to see if they’re allowed to beg but charging a fee is just wrong.

This will inevitably attract all major news stories since it is a very awkward and heartless thing for a religious institution to do.

not right
January 29, 2012 6:23 pm

if somebody has to beg for money chas veshalom why should they have to pay 5 dolars

Pan Handlers need a certificate they are in need
January 29, 2012 5:58 pm

The CHJCC should give the Real collectors a pass stating they are real just l.ike in other communities , These beggars are not from our community , They drive here to make $40.00 an hour Clean NO TAXES.
They are drug users , theifs, and outright troublemakers
They have been caught stealing Tefillin , money pushkes and disturb you during Davening all the time

this is insane...
January 29, 2012 5:35 pm

as annoying as they are, where ever there is a shul there will be beggers, this is part of our culture… every chassidisher story we were told growing up ( well maybe not every;) involved a begger… to charge them is ridiculous !!

and on another note …. aren’t most shluchim (glorified) beggars too?? let start chargeing them to come to 770 too!

# 5
January 29, 2012 5:25 pm

So give them all a dollar!

We Need To Know If They Are Merely "Jewish"
January 29, 2012 5:22 pm

Some Of them Are Gypsie Women That have Men Waiting for them Nearby; Same thing goes For the Simcha Halls:
They Package Up & Take Loads Of Food; That is meant for the Guests In the Hall;

facts
January 29, 2012 4:40 pm

every frum shul in the world has a fee, plus you know those letters from rabbonim you see the beggars holding when they collect the money? well they need to pay anywhere from $200 to $1000 for that letter and it expires.

so why did you see this article in the NYP? because people who hate chabad and CH will find anything to write up about and send it to the papers and try and make us look bad!

Yosef Hershkop
January 29, 2012 4:25 pm

This is the email I sent to the reporter. Dear Mr. Busio I read your article in today’s NYP online edition and I am totally shocked. I am usually a big fan of the NYP however you must have been under some pressure or this story was misrepresented to you. I pray in that synagogue several times a week and have never gotten the feeling or have heard any of the beggars complain about a synagogue fee. If anything there might be fight’s amongst the different factions of money collectors. let’s say, for arguments sake, that such a fee was… Read more »

Failed Rosenberg
January 29, 2012 4:22 pm

Notice who is involved? Anything that Mr. Rosenberg touches stinks.

“Beggars told the blog Failed that they were being slapped with a $5 fee because the congregation is “losing too much money” to the panhandlers.”

Keep them out
January 29, 2012 4:19 pm

These panhandlers are aggressive and swarm all over you. If you give a dollar to one of them, the others all attack!

stupid
January 29, 2012 4:00 pm

thats not fair for them

huh?
January 29, 2012 3:55 pm

is this really true?
sounds strange to me.
I cant believe this is really going on…

Wow!
January 29, 2012 3:55 pm

Thats really ironic. Why does it matter if they beg inside?? Just as long as they are not in the way. I just dont get it.

Can we have a gabai response
January 29, 2012 3:50 pm

Please?

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