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4 Levels Are Needed in Yeshivas

25 years ago, the Rebbe reviewed this article calling for a change in how Gemara is taught to children. Here's the alternate-track proposal. Full Story

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Yeshivah gedola melbourne
February 11, 2016 3:51 am

to repeat the above statements about yg in melbourne , yes, is is definately a yeshiva where any bochur of any ability has tremendous support to learn so long as he is interested. Oof course thanks to Rabbi cohen, but also because of his streaming system, the highly dedicated shluchim and more,. Highly recommended. :from a Current bochur at YG

Bravo
February 11, 2016 12:19 am

Thank you Rabbi Lebovic, and collive,, for republishing this article. Perhaps now is the right time for more, positive, intelligent changes to be made, including changes in attitude so that parents and sons can be proud to be in whichever track best suits them. Let us design our programs to produce a mentschliche young people, who are happy with themselves and shalem with Hashem, wih a strong and clear fundamental knowledge of Torah and practical halachah,. Parents, support a sensible chinuch for your children, one that does not break their spirits with insurmountable pressure, but one that prepares them for… Read more »

YG Mel is the best for this
February 10, 2016 10:55 pm

YG Melbourne legitimately has 4 tracks catered to each level with personal care and attention to each one. This is only because of Rabbi Cohen who spends 4+ hours a day giving shiurim to both shiur gimmel and high level shiur alef as well as a weekly shluchim shiur. He is the only Rosh Yeshivah who learns one on one with students. Because of these 4 shiurim YG is good for anyone looking to learn. Rabbi Cohen has been doing this for over 40 years.

Preaching
February 10, 2016 3:33 pm

The problem is not Elementary School, it’s Mesivta!
How could a Cheder decide to stop teaching Gemora when Mesivta demands that all Bochrim coming into their Yeshiva have a good command in Gemora?

YG Melbourne
February 10, 2016 1:54 pm

In melbourne YG is streamed. Best yeshiva for ANY level of learning

It's always a different yeshiva's problem!
February 10, 2016 12:28 pm

Unfortunately, every yeshiva is more worried about their image over the best interests of the students. Had it been otherwise, they would have figured this out long ago. Instead, each yeshiva claims that they are the mainstream track, and the alternative track must be done in another yeshiva. A bigger proof of the above, is their insistence on teaching gemorro altogether to children age 9 or 10. In truth, they are reaching less than 10% of kids in gemorro when beginning before 15. What’s even funnier (yet sadder) is teaching Tosafos to 14 year olds when Tosafos was written for… Read more »

Sources
February 10, 2016 12:07 pm

The subject which the Rebbe spoke the most about, and wrote the most about is — Chinuch. The author would do us a great service if he can provide sources where the Rebbe either spoke, or wrote, in support of this multi track idea during the many decades of his Nessius (editing an article does not indicate as such). Comment 2 is correct in pointing out why this will idea not work.

Boys yeshivos must add English and Sciences
February 10, 2016 11:51 am

Today we don’t have many Yissishors we have Zevuluns that need basics to survive high pressure from the outside …..
Be realistic , teach only High Levels of Miahnayous or Gemorah but don’t make a pressure on everyone to know it for 100%, give kids minds to rest on English and Sciences classes ….. ( you all know that they waist time on all gadgets , better to enjoy some sciences experiment )…..
Why our adults are suffering from parnosah ? Because men didn’t graduate any college and not everyone can run businesses ….

it would be amazing
February 10, 2016 11:50 am

i think parents are well aware of their children’s capabilities and only want whats best for them,
i think this is an amazing breakthrough if you can accomplish it

To 2
February 10, 2016 9:32 am

I’ve been teaching in a school who always tell the parents that they run the school as they see fit and parents should not interfere. I think that’s too harsh and parents should have some say, but please the hanhala do not need to listen to parents when it comes to this issue. It’s ridiculous. if they have no backbone what are they doing in education!!!

love that!
February 10, 2016 9:04 am

So true that we do not like things that we are not good at. All kids must be made to feel successful and can be successful .

4 Prongs
February 10, 2016 8:49 am

The title shouldn’t say 4 Tracks. The article says it’s one alternative track with 4 prongs. (Did u read it? : )

Maharal
February 10, 2016 8:46 am

The Maharal of Prague in his time tried to bring educational reforms and was unsuccessful because the establishment was more interested in showing off and status than in caring about the effects of continuing the old way. Parents! Wake up! If you don’t do something, you may lose your child to Judasim! (G-d forbid) Even if they continue and even seem to thrive, is the ORDER of how things are taught conducive to the development of the child?? Maharal thought that teaching Gemara to ten year olds generally was too early. What is the rush? Something is radically off and… Read more »

Most can
February 10, 2016 8:18 am

Most boys can handle gemorra and perhaps – mostly – when they can’t – then the teacher is not adequate to the task of teaching 1) clearl and 2) with the necessary discipline (without breaking a kid – certain kids). Many timers the boy had a small problem and needed to change teacher (not a good match scholastically or personality wise) and if there is no leeway in this kind of thing, it can lead to alienation also. Most boys can handle the level – if the teachers are ADEQUATE) and also, if they are “worked with” if a problem… Read more »

Best idea in a long time!
February 10, 2016 7:45 am

Not everyone wants to be realistic but allowing your child to feel successful is more important than the amount covered
Would love to see this put to practice in all s schools

It won't work
February 10, 2016 12:05 am

It won’t work because you will have all the parents complaining and saying there son is really supposed to be in the higher track this can only work when bochurim and parents face the reality and realize where they truely belong Everyone always thinks that they belong in the higher class learning the deepest stuff and in a “regular” yeshiva no one will say I will go to a mesivta that doesnt learn gemoro just learns mishnayos because then we don’t fit in with the “normal” yeshivas So they go to a regular yeshiva that has gemoro But then people… Read more »

nu already?
February 9, 2016 11:04 pm

How many boys will we lose as we attempt to stuff them all into one model? Lets get real and ensure a great range of frum working chasidim for our range of frum daughters to build homes with.

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