2 Letters from the Rebbe About the Manhattan Eruv Discovered
2 unknown letters recently found shed light on the Rebbe's position regarding the Manhattan Eruv. Full Story
2 unknown letters recently found shed light on the Rebbe's position regarding the Manhattan Eruv. Full Story
Thank you for posting that Rebbe supported the Eruv in big cities and everywhere as long as it’s built properly.
Do you have a Makor for where the rebbe said there should be an Eruv in BROOKLYN? Manhattan is very different than Brooklyn…
You just made something up with no basis!!! You claim vis a vis eruvin that there is a difference between Manhattan and Brooklyn, however you drew this distinction with no grounds to base it on, all while we see the Rebbe supporting eruvin, but you want to impose limitations to the Rebbe’s view, suggesting it shouldn’t always be followed, based on nothing. Enough conspiracies. Face the facts. The Rebbe supported Eruvin, and even quoted Chazal that they should be constructed in every place possible. And until this was released clearly you would have denied this on some baseless hypothesis. Time… Read more »
Why are you avoiding a simple question. Yes the rebbe spoke about eiruvim in other cities, but what about Brooklyn? Where is there a letter sicha etc speaking about Brooklyn.
The rebbe said many things about certain cities, do we now do those things here as well? Some distinctions?
Also, It’s Assur to put an Eiruv in Crown Heights bc Eastern Parkway doesn’t extend past the suburb, or in this case the neighborhood.
You can have an eiruv everywhere but in crown heights because of this and that and this reason or that reason….the layout of crown heights must be very unique compared to everywhere in the world,wow…
Do you have a makor that not?
How is BROOKLYN very different than Manhattan
From my understanding, it seems the Rebbe was encouraging an Eruv in an area where many frei Jewish carry anyways, and this would save them the chilul Shabbos.
That’s very different than an eruv in a frum city, where yidden know and keep Shabbos and have them get used to carrying
Borough Park as a mehudar beautiful Eruv and all frum yidden carry and have oneg shabbos.
Many communities in boro park don’t use the eiruv
Igros moshe explains why it is different, manhatten is surrounded by real mechitzos
Brooklyn is surrounded by mechitzos, check Google maps.
its printed in Mishne Haloches chelek ches page pey zayin, the rebbe support to make a eruv in Brooklyn.
Does this change anything for CH?
no, because the Rebbe clearly said there Crown heights should not have an eruv.
did someone forget to post the whole conversation all the letters afterwards and before because
This makes it pretty clear that the Rebbe supported Eruv in big cities
About this Manhattan Eruv that it should be done in “utmost secrecy” for the sake of people who carry anyway. He clear says the Manhattan Eruv should not be to allow people who don’t carry to start carrying. Look it up online. Its an English letter
Eruv yes eruv no
Families can’t stay cramped in a 1 or 2 bedroom over the whole shabbos! Without access to any backyard tree,
Come on! Money is tight, rent is expensive, askanim and rabbanim pleave get out of your chair and make it happen!
Please make the eruv happen. Change the disputes for another topic. Move on.
Thank you and welcome to my rant
The rabanim don’t dispute it they just say no bc the rebbe says no, did zero research and gave zero reason…
So why no one goes to a rav put an end to this? I’m sick of this back and forth: Nothing happens, people move on, then the eruv talk comes again. Nothing happens, rinse repeat.
Noone is stopping you from using it. Has that ever occurred to you?
Stop lying to people, does CHK recognize this eruv that you are talking about? So no. There’s NO eruv. Until is recognized we can’t use it. How many rabbonim you see using it???
The rabbonim will never verify if it is kosher or not because their paskin is that any eiruv in crown heights is assur period. This eiruv is kosher verified by Rabbi shochut in 2016. If a person is writing and complaining that the rabbonim have to allow the eiruv because they’re stuck with their babies all day inside than they clearly don’t agree with the rabbonim so therefore, Noone is stopping anyone from using the eiruv thats kosher. If someone feels the rabbonim are wrong,they clearly don’t respect and believe in the valididty of the appointed rabbonim of croen heights.… Read more »
the Rebbe Clearly said there shouldn’t be an eruv in CH.
Everyone says the same thing. Now we need it. Do you realise when the rebe said that people could afford HOUSES. People were even ENCOURAGED by the Rebbe and even gave money to buy houses. Whatever the reason is, it’s an out of touch to NOT let people go out of their cramped 1,2 (only, because landlord figured it out it makes more $ to have couoles going for shlichus or whatever and then rise the rent, rinse and again, new buildings don’t even think of having 3bedrooms) BDMS APPARTMENT. Is cruel! And people don’t feel confortable using the whatever… Read more »
nobody is forcing anyone to stay in crown heights.
There are plenty of places to go live with trees and grass where you don’t have to stay cooped up…
No , I won’t
Your response is a fallacia, sorry, but that’s not a response. And out of touch, is like the following conversation
-hi don’t make enough money
-did you try not being poor?
There was a second avenue elevated train line that according to many made Manhattan easier to make and eruv but that train line is no longer.
The letter say’s “an important section of New York” , For Clarity ,it’s important to knoe, What section is it referring to ?
Where’s the full story
I heard that the Rebbe wanted the Eruv without people knowing about it so that they shouldn’t use it. Where people were carrying anyway without concern for an Eruv they would be saved of Chilul Shabbos
Is 100% Kosher, and has zero issues to it, it gets checked every Friday and for our local rabanim to come out with letter and plain and simply say no is absurd and not what a rac does a rav put out a opinion or psak not halacha misinai he’s disposed to do his research and give the reason why yes or not, not just rely on a “shmua” that the rebbe did or didn’t want it… wtvr the rebbe ever wanted the rebbe was vocal about – so don’t say this comes from the rebbe… come out with proper… Read more »
WHy are people so gullible? have you seen any other letters from the Rebbe looking like this? These are clearly made on a computer.
Theres no letterhead, original copy, signature etc!?
These letters were printed in the beis moshiach magazine issue vov mar cheshvon.
If you read carefully it sounds like this is a Bidi’eved scenario to help mitigate desecrations that will happen without the eruv. Meaning, that these people will be carrying anyway, so let’s make an eruv: “… through this we save many jews from shabbos desecration…”
Let’s do it,there are many people that will use it even if most wont.
May we please see a SIGNED copy of these letters?
Thank you.
the rebbe encouraged rav eisenstat to make the eruv, but also not to publisize it thesame can be said about crown heights=it may be kosher _according to some rqbonim, but publising it doesn’t seem to fit the wishes of the rebbe
Seems to me that the Rebbe’s encourgment for an airuv was mainly or people who are mechalel shabbos and carry, to protect them from chilul shabbos…
But not necessarily for frum shomrei shabbos to have the convenience of carrying on shabbos
Everyone agrees that the Rebbe supported the creation of eiruvin in large cities. However, the debate centers on the intended purpose of such eiruvin: To prevent chilul Shabbos by Jews who, unfortunately, are already carrying on Shabbos. To permit shomer Shabbos Jews to carry items such as a tallis to shul, push strollers, and the like. The distinction between these two purposes has a significant practical nafka minah: If the purpose is to enable shomer Shabbos Jews to carry, the eiruv must be publicized so that everyone can use it. If the goal is to prevent chilul Shabbos, the eiruv… Read more »
Thank you for explaining it well
“מפורסמת דעתי שבדורנו זה איש או ארגון שמתחשבים אתי העושה עירוב ויודע שסוף סוף יתפרסם הדבר – הרי זה תקלה איומה, כי אי אפשר שלא יארע שבת קודש אחד והעירוב פסול – וע”פ טבע שיתרגלו פעמים אחדים בהוצאה בשבת קודש לא תועיל כל הכרזה והודעה שהעירוב נפסל ואסור וכו’ שיפסיקו להוציא
ואין לעשות עירוב אלא בסודיות”
This. That’s it.
In this article it includes the igros kodesh where the Rebbe explains the circumstance when not to announce the eruv, which is when they use the ocean walls for the the Eruv which is explained in shulchan aruch that it can become pasol when the water level rises, which was the case of the response you mention in Melbourne Australia that the first Eruv was then established with the ocean walls. A few years later the Eruv was made by Rabbi Shimon eider and built properly and the Rebbe gave a response to consult with the local Rabbonim regarding the… Read more »
The headline of this article is “2 letters of the REBBE”. The discussion around the Eiruv (as well as many discussions about topics that are disagreed upon in our community) always seem to rotate around the REBBE. So, it seems that B”H everyone agrees that we should be following the Rebbe’s opinion and Horaos. So, what is the Rebbe’s opinion about what to do when there are disagreements? What is the Rebbe’s clear Horaah and instruction about how to go about disagreements or subjects that we would have wanted the Rebbe to clarify after Gimmel Tamuz? A week… Read more »
The Rebbe’s “position” on the “eiruv” is clear. Not for Chasidim, not for yerei shomayim of other groups. Bdieved this should be made to remove issurei dOraisa vchiyuv skil… R”L from Jews who otherwise do carry. The same with the OK having then given hechsheirim to chol akum products with the Rebbe’s express encouragement, because we hold it’s metamei the lev and the moach as the Alter Rebbe says in Tanya yet it is better than treif lchol hadeios. Same with “heter mechira” for Shmitta. There are so many examples of this. The Rebbe never allowed an Eiruv in CH… Read more »
To those who are trying to say that the Rebbe supported Eruvin only in locations “where people were carrying anyway” (so that they are not mechalel shabbos), or that “The Rebbe wanted the Eruv not to be publicized”…. why then would the Rebbe give such a beautiful answer to the Eruv in Kfar Chabad??? Isn’t Kfar Chabad mostly frum Lubavitchers? מזל טוב בעד גמר העירוב בשעה טובה ומוצלחת, ויהי רצון שעל ידי פעולה זו הנוספת בעניני שמירת שבת יתקרב עוד יותר זמן גאולתנו בפועל, וכנודע מאמר רז”ל אלמלי שמרו ישראל שבת אחד מיד הן נגאלין And to those who claim the Rebbe… Read more »
Can anyone post one source that shows the Rebbe opposing an Eiruv in CH, or an Eiruv that does not include ocean walls (which S.A. cites a problem with)?
The Rebbe (above) cites Chazal that an Eruv should be constructed in every place possible!!!
What am I missing?
great point!
Once we look at the bigger picture we see the truth. if Chazal created the parameters of eruvin it is everlasting without limitation on geography, as long as the guidelines are followed.