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Yeshiva is More Challenging Than Chanting Songs on Kingston

Op-Ed by By Rabbi Avrohom Brashevitzky: "It is difficult to give a clear response to your observations and questions regarding our "system" oriented Yeshivah students in your article, still, I wish to share some anecdotes and perspectives." Full Story

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אין המענה דומה להטענה
February 27, 2024 12:21 am

The issue at hand isn’t that bochurim aren’t expressing their excitement through song and dance. It is that that you look around and you don’t see any appreciation by these bochurim for the fact that they have yiddishkeit on such a higher level.
It is not that their excitement waned from when they were on the beginning of their journey whilst remaining on the same spiritual stature, rather that this higher level of observance( for lack of a better term) is not being given over with the same reverence and passion as it merits.

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Reply to  אין המענה דומה להטענה
February 27, 2024 10:10 am

However you slice it, the excited teens were in camp mode, period. and camp is more fun than sitting in Zal learning.

Our kids in camp look similarly excided during camp and during color war.

CH Family
February 27, 2024 12:25 am

Thank you for this. Well said. This is why we want Moshiach NOW : so that we will be able to sustain the awareness and appreciation of Hashem and everything He has given us.

Or as stated in Tanya:
February 27, 2024 12:38 am

שההרגל על כל דבר שלטון

Nunu well written
February 27, 2024 12:55 am

The Bochur made it onto COLlive and you brought him back down to reality.

Reply to  Nunu well written
February 27, 2024 1:33 pm

Why do people keep putting him down? Is it because they don’t want to admit there may actually be a problem?

Reply to  Why
February 27, 2024 8:22 pm

There may be a problem, but it has nothing to do with excitement of the teens visiting CH.

They are not excited like that on a daily basis, they were on a trip joined together with teens around the globe.

During different times of the year there are exciting times for all as mentioned in this article.

Simchas Torah, Purim, Camp and other occasions.

February 27, 2024 1:51 am

I don’t think the bochur from the previous article was specifically referring to the chanting on Kingston or other chitzoyinus forms of excitement, but rather to the general approach of shlichus towards the outside world that learning Torah and doing mitzvos can actually be enjoyable, and that Chassidus is understandable and practical, and that yiddishkeit isn’t just something we do out of habit or because we were brought up that way, but because it’s our identity as a yid. This is the feeling that’s given to them and that feeling needs to be given to ourselves as well. That’s just… Read more »

Good article
February 27, 2024 2:33 am

Thank you for sharing your perspective. I personally don’t think yours contradicts r’ Leizers original article. I think you’re looking at the situation in a positive light, which is great, but at the same time, there are (always) the issues that can be brought to attention and discussed etc. And they really are real issues. It may be they’re only affecting those that couldn’t/can’t handle the system and didn’t become the shluchim you referenced, and maybe not even frum today. Or they may be the part inside some of those shluchim or Baal habatim that isn’t really enjoying yiddishkeit, Torah,… Read more »

Very well said
February 27, 2024 2:57 am

Yasher Choach

Beautifully written
February 27, 2024 4:36 am

People have to stop complaining about how nebach the “young generation” is. Boruch Hashem our bochurim are amazing. All the op-eds shouting otherwise notwithstanding.

Just to point out
Reply to  Beautifully written
February 27, 2024 1:34 pm

The op-ed being discussed, was written by someone from the “young generation”

Right on point!
February 27, 2024 7:53 am

Couldn’t have said it better. Great response.

Yasher Koach!
February 27, 2024 9:24 am

Very well said!

Great response!
February 27, 2024 10:21 am

In camp and specifically during color war our kids get the same Chayus and excitement.

Yes and No
February 27, 2024 11:14 am

I want to respond to the writer who made a faulty Kal Vechoimer between Yeshivah Bochurim and secular teens on a fun weekend vacation. The two are completely unrelated, even though I see that underlying the lament is a point he was trying to make. I would like to respond to his article because I know many Frum good souls look at “others” thinking, Why are “they” so happy, and what’s wrong with me? I believe the writer and many who hold that same train of thought are set on a faulty premise and a flawed perspective. Years ago, when… Read more »

I think
Reply to  Yes and No
February 27, 2024 1:38 pm

Yes everyone has their problems, but I think the point was that Yiddishkeit for them is something that’s joyful and positive in their life (even if life’s not perfect) while for many bochurim, it’s not.

look a t the bigger picture
February 27, 2024 11:42 am

there are valid concerns Many unfortunately have gone off the Derech.remember they are still children teenagers! School is hard hours are longI think part of the solution is the occasional change of pace like that what was recently done for The Bochurim learning in Chovevei Torah a mini vacation if you will out of the yeshiva building a week in one place another week later on in a second involving a little sightseeing lighter learning special shiurim etc maybe not automatic but a completion visible goals goals & mix in throughout the year a hands on experience such as seeing… Read more »

You’re not understand
February 27, 2024 12:04 pm

We and the author don’t think that the Cteen child’s life is all fun and games. But they have down time to do enjoyable things which our own children do not.

Reply to  You’re not understand
February 27, 2024 1:40 pm

You just recruited everyone against this guy involuntarily

bigger problems
February 27, 2024 2:08 pm

I would like to redirect the conversation to things that are a bigger priority, larger problems, and more urgent.

  1. How are we going to connect all singles with their correct other half
  2. how are we going to get all the needy jews enough food, shelter, and other basic necessities
  3. how are we going to get all the tinok shinoshba jews out of public school
  4. how are we going to help the jews in Israel
  5. how are we going to stop intermarriage between tinok shinoshba jews and goyim

to continue the new discussions, feel free to comment below.

Reply to  bigger problems
February 27, 2024 8:46 pm

They’re all challenges to deal with and one doesn’t cancel out the other. And who decides what’s more important 🤔

being a tinok shinoshba jew in public school
February 27, 2024 2:10 pm

is much more challenging than being in yeshiva, in almost all circumstances though, and I’m not talking about intellectually challenging. Something to keep in mind, in response to the title.

The answer from torah
February 27, 2024 2:25 pm

The baal tshuva has a greater longing for hashem than the tzadik and is on a higher level than the tzadik as a result of being far away.
When moshiach comes the tzadikim will do tshuva.
We of the older generation had an advantage and a taste of this when we were in fabrengen with the rebbe.
We were transported to a totally different level and everyone could experience the longing of the baal tshuva.
The current generation never got to experience this.
However moshe rabbenu envied the generation before moshiach, for keeping faith in this double darkness

Great article
February 28, 2024 4:08 pm

In schools and Yeshivas Yiddishkeit should be taught to be more exciting and fresh and new

Yeshiva kids deserve breaks and fun trips too
Reply to  Great article
March 2, 2024 11:15 pm

Our kids also have Hayus when are on trip days or having fun days.
Today with all technology it’s possible to make Torah live by creating more interactive classes…. it would be amazing to learn about Beis HaNikdash and immerse kids /virtual trip inside Beis HaMikdash etc etc etc… our kids deserve