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    Who Stole My Stuff?

    From the COLlive inbox: Days before Yom Kippur, Meir's valuables were stolen in 770. Now, who should he blame? Full Story

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    every year
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    every year

    i always said it watch those israelis they have fast fingers

    wow
    Guest
    wow

    such blatant accusations!

    meir ur an am haoretz
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    meir ur an am haoretz

    i feal bad u lost ur valubales but azlinan basar rov is a complicated sugya and has nothing to do with the above mentioned situation…

    "I'm not calling for a boycott of Tishrei orchim"
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    "I'm not calling for a boycott of Tishrei orchim"

    so what are you saying?! how dare you go ahead and lump together thousands of guests and accuse them of being ganovim on erev yom kippur when you write this orchim slamming crap on erev yom kippur! you should know that your average israeli selling tzisis outside 770 is just trying to make back half the money he spend on a ticket to come to the rebbe! if you would know anything about emerging country economics you would know that in israel youre average mid career salary is about 17g not 80g like the the u.s. , so they cant… Read more »

    wow!
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    wow!

    i totally agree

    Reminds me...
    Guest
    Reminds me...

    Of the first time I was in Israel and saw a police station. I was puzzled as to why they would need a police station in a country full of yidden

    keep quiet! ur a jew! dont blame on jew!
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    keep quiet! ur a jew! dont blame on jew!

    the goyim are totally suspects!!!!!!!

    Misnaged
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    Misnaged

    QUOTE: “There is a rule of “bosar acar harov” (we go after the majority). The ratio of thousands of guests to just 10-15 janitors means that according to halacha it was most likely a yid.”

    There’s another rule. KOL YISROEL BECHEZKAS KASHRUS. How could you make an accusation like this against Yidden on Erev Yom Kippur? And then blame (your misunderstanding of) halacha? And you’re a chossid?

    Shame on you.

    Talmid chochom ...
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    Talmid chochom ...

    770 has the din from Shulchan Oruch of “makom she’rov ganvim yehudim.” Which means that not only can you assume that it was a Jew that stole your Ipod, you can also eat a piece of raw meat that you find lying on the well-trampled floors of 770.

    i think
    Guest
    i think

    from now on stop thinking that we are above goyim that we wouldn’t steal were Jewish sadly it dos not matter any more

    Al Chet
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    Al Chet

    Dear Meir,

    Bosar Rov Azlinon? Now here are a few sayings for you:

    – Dan Lechaf Zchus
    – Yisroel Bechezkas Kashrus
    – Motzi Shem Ra

    Take the chance this Yom Kippur to have special Kavono during Al Chet:

    Al Chet Shechotonu Lefonecho Beloshon Horo.

    to #6
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    to #6

    u need policeman for other reasons, there are PLENTY OF arabs that steal tooo….com’n number 6 get a grip on life and a grip of the police ALWAYS being near 770 and the like……seriously.

    cameras
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    cameras

    There are many security cameras in 770. Check them out and hopefully you could put an end to it.

    Totally sucks
    Guest
    Totally sucks

    but…… trust me, plenty of things get shoplifted during the year as well and it’s by people you would never suspect.

    To #4
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    To #4

    There’s always the concept of not doing something you cannot afford…
    I want to be near the Rebbe too, but I’m not going to spend money I don’t have to do it.
    It’s common sense.

    disgusted
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    disgusted

    you have no proof whatsoever, circumstantial evidence!! well. not even, just accusations based on…

    Check Shmais
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    Check Shmais

    to # 4 I have an idea………..why don’t they stay in Israel and save themselves from bankruptcy! If they can’t afford to come here then they shudn’t! If they’re coming for an uplifting experience and spend 80% of their time raising the money for their tickets well, that’s hardly uplifting!

    To the author: Check Shmais! someone found an Ipod in 770! 🙂

    ShmoBagel
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    ShmoBagel

    How mean of you to write in the you do.

    Don’t jump to conclusions
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    Don’t jump to conclusions

    We in the neighborhood have this problem of things getting stolen all year round. It is not only now during tishrei. We have numerous Jewish drug addicts in this neighborhood who are know to steal in 770 and people continue to give them hand outs (Tzeduka) until that doesn’t stop they will not leave and more thing will continue to go missing.

    THE BIGGEST JOKE OF ALL....
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    THE BIGGEST JOKE OF ALL....

    It was probably an international visitor of some sort and the irony is that they will probably not see this article, but should they happen to see it, they wont even understand it. Shame on you all out there…..

    #5 Swing and a Miss
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    #5 Swing and a Miss

    I DISAGREE With #5. I have been to Israel for school in two different school. One school shared a campus with Chabad Israeli Students and the other was all american boys. When i was in the first school that shared a campus.iI had ALOT of things missing or stolen. My valuables were locked up all the time when i was not in class. All of these Israelis who only make 17G a year somehow manage to have iphones and ipods and expensive laptops from america. I wonder where they got them from. my iphone went missing in Isreal among other… Read more »

    to #1
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    to #1

    DISGUSTING!
    how can u jump to conclusions so quickly like it doesnt happen during the rest of the year? only when tishrei rolls around and the israel’s want to be close to 770? how can u even say such a thing and i’ll tell you one thing- i’m not an israeli…

    Maybe......
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    Maybe......

    I think you should post this on one of the meshichistim’s sites (where lot’s of the “businessman” go) and maybe the “ganuv will see it and have charata and return it

    camras
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    camras

    maybe it is time to put up some cameras during the week. and go after them.

    POSTED ON SHMAIS TODAY:
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    POSTED ON SHMAIS TODAY:

    HASHOVAS AVEIDA….IPOD FOUND

    Found an ipod at 770, to identify please call 219-614-0913 219-614-0913

    re: #4
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    re: #4

    You are right about the costs of these tickets and the lack of funds …and maybe that’s why some are resorting to stealing hats, teffilin, ipods and other valuables.

    Someone who actually read what was written
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    Someone who actually read what was written

    To #2: he’s not making accusations he’s stating facts, you decide who stole it To #3: yes it is a comlecated sugya and the general halach is bimomon azlinzn achar harov and in a place that is rov yidin we assume it was a yid. Obviously it has more details that a rov must handle, however he’s no am haoretz for stating the facts. To #4: you obviously didn’t read what he wrote, he said that some of the chilled out guys that come for Tishrei come to make a quick buck. Yes in Israel it’s hard to earn money… Read more »

    meshugoyim
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    meshugoyim

    there are lots of crazy people….. i would not blame someone who came in to the rebbe!

    Very strange
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    Very strange

    It is most puzzling that collive decided to publish this letter.
    It’s one thing a person is upset, very upset about his loss. Anyone who had things stolen from him can confim it’s hard to think straight when it happens to you. But collive editor(s)?
    What it has to do with guests? There are many different people in 770. Some were caught at their act, BTW. Not even once those who got caught were guests.
    Collive, please.. We want to like you.. Ok, ok, It’s hard to get around CH on Tishrei.. But publish this???

    to #4
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    to #4

    Don’t be a hypocrite. Your post reeks of hatred. Seriously- “i can only hope you are forgiven tommorow night……”. Are you that perfect? Is your scorecard so clean that you can hope for others to be forgiven? Work on yourself, this guy can work on himself, and I’ll work on myself. And when you leave your suitcase full of valuables in 770 and it disappears, you can can smile and react however you like.

    Its so sad
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    Its so sad

    My daughter had some expensive stuff taken from her room in saminary in Israel its sad to think we can’t trust our friends

    its unfortunate
    Guest
    its unfortunate

    that we have to lock everything up and can’t trust anyone today!

    leib
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    leib

    Please he has a great point. Everyone can troll around looking for problems in all articles, and you can even use some obscure quote to make him look stupid, but the facts are facts. Every Tishrei we unfortunately have the same issues, stealing, fistfights,pushing,boys and girls hanging out on the streets etc. I think the author has a great point, maybe 770 should hire security guards for Tishrei .

    stupid move
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    stupid move

    you are the only one to blame for what happened to you.You should never have left your belongings unattended.
    Doesn’t the Torah say Lifnei iver lo titen michshol,
    simply put in this case Do not tempt the ganav

    meshugeneh!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    meshugeneh!!!!!!!!!!!!

    how dare you just openly blame fellow jews like that its comlete and utter ANTI SEMITISIM and thats before we look at the halachik and timeouse issues
    ithink you should realy contemplate on that when hitting your heart by al cheit

    i agree
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    i agree

    with no. 4

    well said!

    Some of you are so naive
    Guest
    Some of you are so naive

    Jews NEVER

    steal
    murder
    assault
    molest
    follow every law, all the time

    Be realistic. Yes, it may well be one of the goyim stole his stuff, but you can’t say it never happens that a Jew does it.

    Fact is, you don’t assume honesty because we’re in 770. After all, the whole place is full of a bunch of radical nutcases!

    ha ha
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    ha ha

    you write: “I am not a Crown Heights resident”
    So you are a guest youself! Ha… making fun of the Orchim

    Mendel
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    Mendel

    Only a dummie or fool leaves luggage at 770. There is no security, 770 is an international terrorist threat target. There are thieves all over NYC ready to prey on defenseless non-English speaking Jews. And there are Tsfatim terrorists in our midst, those we refer to as our own Taliban. Buyer beware, it’s your own fault if you get taken to the cleaners.

    agree with #29
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    agree with #29

    I also don’t understand why could this article be published while it is so bluntly accusing the Tishrei guests. I don’t think we would be pleased if israelis would blame their crimes on americans who come to doven by the Kotel or the resting places of Tzaddikim. Every person is entitled to their feelings, but to openly publish an article like that really means supporting this kind of attitude and placing wrong thoughts, emotions and doubts even in people who would never had it otherwise. I am neither israeli, nor american and don’t come to NY for Tishrei, so my… Read more »

    to 2, 7,4 and 8
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    to 2, 7,4 and 8

    a fuuly agree with meir, and want to say, most of these israeli bochurim have no idea or comprehension of what to come for the rebbe for, they just want to come to america, and it is out of order what they get up to, i dont think there is anything that we could do, but noone does anything, it will just continue. you might ask how i know that these israelis cant be mekushar to the rebbe, i learnt in israel for a while and i saw the greatest dib mashpiim and rabbonim, and they farbreng as they know… Read more »

    grossman har nof
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    grossman har nof

    hi having just moved to erez israel i see that people living here on very little money and definetly no extra things so a bet whoever has come for tishri worked very hard to get there please dont blame them because there israelis they may be rough but they know your not ment to steal

    # 4. C'mon, chill out.
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    # 4. C'mon, chill out.

    Let’s all be happy and simchadik from Erev Yom Kippur till the last tiring druken dancing of Simchat Torah. The reality on the ground is there is “chilled out” Israelis or “chilled out” whoever it is, looking dufke for this grand opportunity to make a few bucks!

    Who should he blame?!?!
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    Who should he blame?!?!

    Himself!!!

    come on # 34
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    come on # 34

    we were always able to trust our own, lokk at the lobbies of most buildings with frum Yidden do we lock up every stroler and bicycle??? The point being its very unfortunate that its come to this that yiden have to lock up their suitcases…
    and can’t trust anyone!! Have we come so low???

    If this is a true story
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    If this is a true story

    First I am not accusing it of not being true. However why not leave details howw the ‘ganev’ can return your items? For sure he will have an hisorerus teshuva over yom kippur and want to return them.

    avarian?
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    avarian?

    so apart from being stupid now he committed an aveire of lifnei iver? meir, according to stupid move now u have a reason for doing teshuve in yom kippur.
    steeling things there is a minor thing happening there, not having security or organization in that place, unfortunately.

    upset about an ipod???
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    upset about an ipod???

    these throngs of “guests” have stolen our 770, our Rebbe and our lubavitch and you are worried about your ipod???

    Not just 'ipods'
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    Not just 'ipods'

    I left my Teffilin and hat unattended inside the shul for 5 minutes to use the facilities downstairs, and neither were ever seen again! My father is ready to kill me as he must pay almost $3,000 for a new set of tefillin! So, while the author’s lomdus is certainly faulty, I understand his sentiment and feel his pain!

    agree with #4! COMPLETLEY
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    agree with #4! COMPLETLEY

    WHY R U WRITING THIS? ESPECAILY EREV YOM KIPPUR???!!!!

    chani
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    chani

    BS”D
    nu, we have a problem
    let’s fix it
    stop squabbling
    question: why is it happening?
    good question, let’s think about this and come up with an answer.

    Print the comments and put them in the Igros
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    Print the comments and put them in the Igros

    Print out these comments and put them in the Igros and see what the Rebbe says. You should all be disgusted with yourself. The entire world can read this! Religious Jews, Non Religious Jews, Goyim! They all see these this as our true colors. The Rebbe would be embarassed if any of these was presented to him in the flesh. You make his bones shake in the ohel. We all need to do teshuvah and beg Hashem to forgive us for such lack of Ahavas Yisroel. May we merit Moshiach now please!!!!

    we are jews
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    we are jews

    dont blame other jews!

    i pods shmy pods
    Guest
    i pods shmy pods

    i lost my gatkes in the mikvah.. and i know it was a isreali who stole them so if any one is in the mikvah thats ses the isreal with my gatkes, they are red and they say Herbert on them, they are very sentimental to me, i feel like superman in them.

    #54
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    #54

    LOL I sure did

    #54
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    #54

    my cleaning lady cut them up for shmattehs. Sorry 🙁

    to 54 dont give up, the israeli thief is prob still wearing them!
    Guest
    to 54 dont give up, the israeli thief is prob still wearing them!

    i feel very bad about your stolen valuables and #54 stolen superman power shorts, but i think the amount of people who come every year is eautiful!

    this is 54 speaking
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    this is 54 speaking

    t0o 57 56 and 55, thank you for your support, it was very disturbing for me, and i had a very hard yom kippur without them. but i am glad to let you know, that on the way home from shul, motzei yom kippur, pssing the mikveh, lo and behold, were a pai of blue gatkes. might suit me fine for now. i have put in my insurance claim. thats it for now. will keep you posted.

    mendel

    ok, pls explain
    Guest
    ok, pls explain

    soooo its ok for u to be an oreach in CH during the chaguim because u are an american who live close to CH. EXCUSE ME, but the 770 is the shul of all lubavitchers, even israelis, belive me. And have a little ahavas isroel here, because when u lable “israelis” “frenchies” etc u forget that for many centuries our ppl suffered because of this exact type of labels.

    ummmm....
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    ummmm....

    we are jews and who says it was an isreali!? we dont blame other kews! it was just yom kiur so…..

    hate to say it
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    hate to say it

    my husband has had many things stolen in 770 though out the year,nice things,thousands of dollars,it’ so terrible diffucult to replace it,very warm coat with/inslulation put in. he doesn’t always daven there. my son has a locker,he doesn’t leave a thing laying around

    #21
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    #21

    you def learned in ohr tmimim

    halacha
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    halacha

    First of all whoever you may be. There is no such thing as going after rov even if there is 1 goy only. There is no chazoko or anything according to halacha. Second, why is it because you behave unresponsible you write a whole article blaming people. I’m sorry but the only thing you can and should do is writing in the lost and found article.

    so s/o stole your ipod
    Guest
    so s/o stole your ipod

    it could be almost anyone; a yid, a janitor, a not-so-nice resident or someone who is a bit smarter than you.

    ...confused...
    Guest
    ...confused...

    rochmonus on u meir !!! on the ipod and on your strange way of thinking…

    Way don’t you...............
    Guest
    Way don’t you...............

    Way don’t you all make a big sine how you all feel. like “All Israelis NOT welcome”
    Or “No archim for Yom tov’ And tell all the Israelis how much you all HATE them.

    Girls too
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    Girls too

    Every year after Yizkor,I get trampled on by Israeli girls trying to get back to their seats. When I say be careful, I get dirty looks and pushed harder. Does somone have to get seriously hurt? Why is not someone in charge of these girls. CH is chefker during Tishrei. My daughter who houses some of these girls has to wake them up at 11 every day or they would sleep all day. I am sure not all but still?????

    to #52, #11
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    to #52, #11

    and all other dreamers out there: Maybe you should add tracht gut vet zain gut to your list of brilliant quotes. Do you think that by burying your heads in the sand, you’ll change the reality of what goes on in crown heights? Wake up! The goyim in 770 have to be careful what they do, because people see them all day, if they tried stealing it would be more conspicuous, and they need their jobs. There are many yidden, on the other hand, who wander around 770 with no one to answer to, and no one watching what they’re… Read more »

    A true Torah Scholar of our generation.
    Guest
    A true Torah Scholar of our generation.

    “kol kavua k’mechtza al mechtza dami”
    -Tractate Ketubos, Chapter One and numerous other locations throughout Shas.

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