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    Where Did the Love Go?

    From the COLlive inbox: Here, in our own shchuna, we are experiencing a wave of relentless, brutal, and downright disgusting attacks from yungerleit. Full Story

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    Never mind Crown Heights.... I experienced that hatred
    Guest
    Never mind Crown Heights.... I experienced that hatred

    even in our Chabad community up here in Chabad of ………… can’t say the name……… for sure, people have to start coming down from their high and mighty blackberry castles and picture themselves in a shtetl…… to greet everyone with yaffa panim.

    A guest for a while...
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    A guest for a while...

    Oh, I am so tired to hear about all the love. You have to love others, but you have to be tough on yourself. Crown Heights has a major disaster on its hands. There is isnt a peep from the leadership, there are no initiatives, no taking responsibility to tackle the terrible breaches. Nature does not tolerate a vacuum. In a vacuum of leadership, zealots are taking over. Is this a good thing? No, no, no. But it is a SYMPTOM, not a cause. The symptom is zealotry. The cause is lack of leadership. Fill the vacuum and you will… Read more »

    i don't get this
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    i don't get this

    what do you aim to acheive with an oped telling us what we already know? you need to get your message across to the misguide
    souls doing this, who most probably view your article in their warped minds as “proof” their efforts are working.
    if you want to fix this issue just publish online their names. once it’s public knowledge who they are, i believe enough people will speak with them and straighten them out

    I agree with #2.
    Guest
    I agree with #2.

    Very well said and 100% true.

    Donet bother reading article
    Guest
    Donet bother reading article

    Am sorry you signed your name anonymous

    Dear everyone please move on to another worthy article not this one

    Wannabees
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    Wannabees

    I agree with you. We have here in our shchunah many wanabee shluchim. They would never make it anywhere. I wonder how many are Crown heights born vs Israli born & BP born where such actions can happen? The people who should walk over to woman are the female mashpiam in CH. If anyone knows these ‘men’ who bother woman… their names should be made public. If they can shame people in Public, then they should be brave enough to have their names made public too. Wannabees and Mushrooms destroy the greatness of our work worldwide. They have NO ONE… Read more »

    and what do we say to guests who visit?
    Guest
    and what do we say to guests who visit?

    what if these yungerleit approach a non frum visitor to the shchunah?

    to number 5
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    to number 5

    imalil confused wat?

    OGM I agree with every word!!!
    Guest
    OGM I agree with every word!!!

    I have been hearing about these incidents, even though I never saw or experienced it myself, but I was absolutely HORRIFIED.
    And I have a question for these people: if you are so into ‘tznius’ how is it ok for you to you approach women and speak to them on the street?
    According to what I learned, that is COMPLETELY AGAINST THE LAWS OF TZNIUS.

    Pashkville
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    Pashkville

    Didn’t the rebbe say that when someone writes a letter without signing their name it is a pashkville?
    Where is the integrity of collive?
    Publishing a pashkville.

    their mothers should be ashamed of them.
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    their mothers should be ashamed of them.

    let us not forget how downright disgusting it is to speak to a woman in such a way. Their mothers should be ashamed of them. Also, to add that in as well as stress on the fact that to visitors to crown heights, as anyone, first impressions are always the most lasting. This is clearly the difference between Lubavitch (Crown heights) and Chabad, (our shluchim.) No wonder these guys arent on shlichus. At the end of the day however, the key is that all of this lack of tznius falls on the parents. If they are tznius in the home,… Read more »

    AS S'TUT VAY SHRAIT MEN - WHEN IT HURT YOU SCREAM.
    Guest
    AS S'TUT VAY SHRAIT MEN - WHEN IT HURT YOU SCREAM.

    That is what the Rebbe said when he screamed about issues that mattered.

    Just a point on perspective: would you categorize Pinchos : relentless, brutal, and downright disgusting attacks???

    Brutal?
    Guest
    Brutal?

    I agree with the basic points of your op-ed, however your choice of wording leaves me somewhat mystified.
    “Brutal”? “Relentless”?
    Are these acts of Chassidic zealotry we’re talking about or Suicide bombers?

    Let’s not get carried away in hyperbole . . .
    -Mottel

    To # 12
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    To # 12

    If you are using the Rebbe as an example then you should remember that the rebbe always treated every person like a precious diamond. he would never berate or humiliate them for not beign tsnius.

    lost
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    lost

    who ever wrote this article is part of the problem in this community

    u arent pinchas
    Guest
    u arent pinchas

    The Torah describes him as just that. that was the point. and you arent pinchas. get that through your head.

    LR M
    Guest
    LR M

    These guys have to get a job and get a life!!!!!
    And leave the rest of us alone
    Dont be jealous of others who have good in their life and you dont.

    brutal
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    brutal

    calling women wh—-, yes, that is considered brutal. If someone called my wife that my foot would be so far up their rear it would come out of their mouth.

    my turn from europe
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    my turn from europe

    i love these people that love to make other people feel like,,,,i must say , am a big am hooretz ,i dont know anything about these things ,of men saying things to women then,i could get a bit prost ,but then my comment wont get on line ,what the ,,, dos anyone have to say to a women,when i was getting married ,one of the things we found out -WAS- THAT ,the mikve going ,is to be something other people are NOT yo know about ,and so we made sure to be away of THAT corner VED”AL ,,,nevermind GOING to… Read more »

    PLEASE CLARIFY
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    PLEASE CLARIFY

    Maybe it’s just rumors someone made up – but they don’t really happen. I live here in CH, and I haven’t seen any of the above mentioned incidents, and it doesn’t sound like the people who are writing saw them either, they just heard about them.
    Maybe someone is making this up.
    Hard to believe that this is really happening. Please don’t answer me if you HEARD about it – only if you yourself experienced these unpleasant incidences.
    Maybe this is a case of someone(s) trying to slandar our community?!?

    youngerlite
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    youngerlite

    So there are Kolell Yungerleit that are zealots and making a Chilul Hashem – and Shluchim fear bringing people to Crown Heights.
    So let it be known: its not the Meshichisten that are chasing people away, it the Kolell Yungerleit that are doing this.

    # 10
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    # 10

    What’s your name

    Amazing
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    Amazing

    This author is a poseur. It is so obvious. All the hallmarks of an agent provocateur.

    Posing as a shliach (holier than thou, the reader) laying exaggerated claims (of confronting ladies coming out of the mikvah)and waxing so holy-holy about nebich the women coming out from such a mitzva….
    A shlucha doesn’t have the time to puddle in this wading pool.

    Aha, you my ask, so what is the intent of this poseur? Trying to accomplish what by posing as a shlucha full of love for Jews?

    Think.

    been there..#11
    Guest
    been there..#11

    you are soooooooooo wrong!

    its not clear
    Guest
    its not clear

    i totally dont understand this article!!!! what exactly happened? what was the incident? its very unclear? please explain clearly what is going on?

    To #2
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    To #2

    WHAT LEADERSHIP???

    Name a leader. One of the Rabbonim? Ha! They all hate each other so much they couldn’t sit together in a car to be Menachem Avel the Satmar Rav.

    The Vaad? Well, one of THEM has a trimmed beard…

    Who’s left? Me??? Believe me, if i could I’d be in a position of leadership. I’m FFB, have a degree, a business AND a profession, married off my kids & ALL MY DAUGHTERS ARE 100% TZNIUS. ALL MY SONS HAVE FULL BEARDS etc.

    Oh, but I can’t be a “leader.” I’m a woman. Too bad.

    Comment #13
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    Comment #13

    Just so you know, that comment isn’t from me! I dont know the difference between the hyperbole and the superbole!
    -Mottel

    Its Rabbi Hellers
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    Its Rabbi Hellers

    fault who lets the Kolel guys become radical….

    A RESPONSE TO # 11
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    A RESPONSE TO # 11

    Your simplistic acusation that the lack of tznius is the fault of the parents is both often untrue and causes needless pain. I ‘m a bubby, and i have several close friends whose tznius both in and out of their home has always been flawless ( yes, I’m SURE ). Yet, their daughters were among the first, many years ago, to begin dressing in an inappropriate manner. These women had to then sit through speakers saying that “if the mothers are careful with tznius, then surely the daughters would be too.” The level of dress here in CH is definitely… Read more »

    coward
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    coward

    An anonymous article like this one should not be published unless it is signed . it is the rabanim’s job to tackle the tznius issue!

    name
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    name

    what is the authers name? also i agree with #20 & #23

    Agree with #9, am horrified!
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    Agree with #9, am horrified!

    I am absolutely HORRIFIED.
    And I have a question for these people: if you are so into ‘tznius’ how is it ok for you to you approach women and speak to them on the street?
    According to what I learned, that is COMPLETELY AGAINST THE LAWS OF TZNIUS!!!

    -Couldn’t have said it better.

    Sad
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    Sad

    The truth is that what one sees in Crown heights is truly alarming and what is even worse is that nobody really knows what to do. For a very long time things have been left in the name of Lo zu haderech- let’s not say to much lest we make matters owrse, lest they rebel. They have rebeled and matters have got worse. Pritus is catchy and when younger siblings see their older sisters walking around dressed in an in-tznius way they are very often tempted to follow. But my question is this, “Why and how should a Chabad girl… Read more »

    crown heights is finished
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    crown heights is finished

    there is no community in crown heights just a bunch of lost souls wondering around experiencing the delights of this world. unfortunately it will have to inplode and it will take a few disasters before people realise its time to shape up

    to #11
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    to #11

    you are totally wrong!!!!!!!!!!
    children (teens) get influenced mostly by their friends without the mothers knowing anything about it!!!!!

    Kettle calls the pot black?
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    Kettle calls the pot black?

    “It almost seems the direct opposite of our Charedi counterparts in Mea Shearim, Williamsburg, and other “hardcore” neighborhoods.”

    Oh, so we should all look the other way when a frei Yid does an aveirah but only in CH? How about you stop bashing the frum Yidden and even Snags in other places? We all have our challenges, and don’t believe everything you read in the leftist media.

    More kolel bashing
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    More kolel bashing

    It seams all these op-eds from “very concerned individuals”, only bring more kolel yungerliet bashing. It is about time people realised the truth. The idea of coming nicely to someone to coerce them to keep to keep shabbos, is as you said to someone who does not keep shabbos, but not to someone who is supposedly as frum, and demands a Shishi on the shabbos before Gimmul Tamuz Vda”l. You call your self a Shliach, which means total 100% Bitul to theMishalieach, some shliach you are, with headlines such “MY OPINION” really makes the Rebbe proud of you, and with… Read more »

    Comment #13
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    Comment #13

    Yes it is, yes I do!

    Never Heard of This
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    Never Heard of This

    I live in Crown Heights and walk the streets all the time. I’ve never heard of or seen anything the author is talking about. How doe he as an outsider see this when he comes in when I (and everyone I know of) never heard of such a thing? Seems like someone is trying to still up the community for their own reasons…

    Mind you, I fully agree that this is disgusting and whoever is doing it should stop. It’s just that I don’t think it was ever done in the first place…

    love has not worked!
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    love has not worked!

    Don’t you think all these years the approach of love and accepting was used and at this point now it is not only about chesed but GEVURAH needed too!! perhaps it should be woman stopping these woman but enough with the “feel good” religion, our community needs help and help now! just to “tolerate” this with love will not get our community anywhere! yes some gevurah and yiras hashem is emphasized in Mei Shearim and boro park but hey IT WORKS THEY ARE TZNIUS, HAMASE HU HAIKER. whatever it takes it is time to take that measure!!

    Chaim Dovber
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    Chaim Dovber

    Shaming people especially in public is never the way.
    We have a vacuum exists, the cause is no physical Rebbe, people need that type of inspiration that only personal real time interaction can give.
    This is a painful and difficult issue; however we can no longer avoid it.

    happy
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    happy

    the womans should spray them with mace.why are men doing it its not tznius.theys lowlifes are pervs thats the problem.because they are so many ways to go about this.

    esther in LA
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    esther in LA

    please,please ,please do not allow THAT word the author used here on COL.even though he’s describing other’s actions that word is so grub and prust it doesn’t belong on a website having anything to do with the rebbe.this should be very poshut to anyone who cares about tzneeus.

    I agree...
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    I agree...

    I agree w/ #2
    I have a friend, I can say it is me but it is really a friend…she was asked in a jewish grocery store by the cashier ( Monsey chassidush lady) if she can start wearing more tzniuz closing in honor of her daughter who is trying 2 become pregnant. My friend is a B”T and always looks very tzniuz, this was a smack in her face!!!
    PPL in crown heights, get a life, stop pointing finger at each other, start w/ the person u c in the mirror!!!

    Shomrim should protect the women
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    Shomrim should protect the women

    Shomrim should follow these people around to defend our women from these predators donning a cloak of religiosity.

    The women should also file harassment suits against these bigots.

    Did you ever see R’ Heller berating a woman on the street? or R’ Osdoba? Or, any of other rabbanim anywhere in the world?!!!!?

    amazing...
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    amazing...

    it just is amazing that someone can write this whole letter and doesn’t have the guts 2 put his/her name down

    ahron
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    ahron

    without a name this article is worthless. for all we know the auther could be a “modern” lubavitcher.

    to #29 re letter
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    to #29 re letter

    If you could provide me with a source for that letter, I’d appreciate it.

    to # 12
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    to # 12

    Pinchas is Pinchas. He was able to do what he did without it being disgusting.
    Not everyone is on his level

    To Mottel
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    To Mottel

    Everyone expeirences thing differently. For some people it is truly relentless and brutal. Those are not just adjectives for terriorist.

    Mistake
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    Mistake

    it’s “Yungaleit” not “Yungerleit”.

    Observation and to #6
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    Observation and to #6

    So many posts who are critical of anonymous posts yet none of them have the guts to put their names to their posts either. ( I don’t need to post my name because I am not demanding it from others.)
    To #6: “Wannabees and Mushrooms destroy the greatness of our work worldwide. They have NO ONE to answer to.” Our work??? Are you a shliach? If you think you are, this is not how a shliach of the Meshaleiach would talk.

    SOMONE EXPLAIN
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    SOMONE EXPLAIN

    How it is Tznius for Young Men to approach women and talk to them like that.

    Rebels?!
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    Rebels?!

    You say there are “rebels”. Who are they “rebelling” against?
    The Torah? The Rebbe? Chassidus? The parents? You say that these “rebels” are entitled to “love & tolerance” How come we don’t find in any place in Torah Sh’Biksav – when the yidden rebelled against Moshe & Hashem – that they were “loved & tolerated”?! If you choose to commit a sin, you should also be ready for whatever comes as a result.

    to number 11
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    to number 11

    I dissagree with you completely. The girls dress this way because they do not care about tznius, it was not taught in schools it was shoved down their throats and they were never explained why it’s so important. In my opinion we have to get back to the basics and explain and learn about tznius from the beginning and in a nice way. My mother is the most tznius person I know and unfortunately we have issues of tznius in our family. We do not look down on those siblings we do hope that by being an example and not… Read more »

    Never Are We To Judge!
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    Never Are We To Judge!

    To “SAD” #33
    (“Is it so hard to dress in a tznius way? Is the yezter harh so great?” )

    Who are we to question the power of another’s Yetzer Hara?
    Have we stood in their shoes? Have been through the same challenges, ordeals and peer pressure?

    In this generation to re-quote the Rebbe, “There are strange winds blowing” in these times. Obviously, Halacha and modesty are indisputable but in this world, it is all we can do to keep striving higher.

    What IS the answer?
    Guest
    What IS the answer?

    I agree with the basis of what the author is saying, it is not the way to bully people etc, but the author failed to bring anything else constructive to his op-ed. Like can anybody answer the question as to how should the tznius problem be tackled? Love has not worked, nor has bullying. Whilst it is not my direct business how others dress (they have their own cheshbon with G-d), it IS my business how they dress in this neighborhood (crown heights). Crown Heights was always a frum community, where it was not acceptable to dress not tznius. If… Read more »

    #21
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    #21

    I Agree with #21

    truly shocked resident of crown heights...
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    truly shocked resident of crown heights...

    I cannot beleive that some of these comments actually agree with what the guy is doing. It is completely wrong to shame someone like that.
    I believe that the head of the Kollel, if it is Rabbi Heller, then it should be him – must take responsibility for this and make it stop immediately.
    what a chillul hashem and lubavitch!

    hmm
    Guest
    hmm

    if you really wanted leadership you should of voted for shea hecht, instead your messiacnic ways where too important

    Sad sitch.
    Guest
    Sad sitch.

    Everyone is blaming the yungerlite but avoiding the root of their actions. This may sound harsh ,but i mean it in the kindest way: if you dont dress like a wh… , no one will mistake you for one,and t/f wont call you one. That of course shouldn’t be the reason to dress tznius, and is not an excuse for the actions of a misguided minority. (These are people that obviously care about the kedusha of the community, but how exactly do you want them to express their pain at the lack of dress? If they do it in a… Read more »

    errr
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    errr

    So despite it being only two days after tish bav , here we have a raving attack on maybe , some misguided souls but at least they aren’t happy with the status qua.Who else is doing anything, who else is protesting or just not paying lip service to ideals. maybe the method is wrong , but credit , i give them.shtika k hodaha , if you dont do something , than perhaps your part of the apathy as well.Which to honest , perhaps i could well be.

    No Choice...
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    No Choice...

    B”H As much is it’s hard for people to have to “police” CH, after so many years of trying the “nice” way, with shiurim, gentle words, etc., we have no choice. Unfortunately, the people who’re behaving against our Chassidishe beliefs–many times against the Shulchan Oruch itself–are getting more numerous and poluting the whole Shechuna. Anyone who wants to live a Modern Orthodox life is free to do as they please, but just move out from CH… We’re Lubavitchers, our Shechuna is the Rebbe’s. We love every Yid, and we mekarev people with love all over the world, but with our… Read more »

    Like
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    Like

    seems like ch is the place teens go to escape their parents supervision and authority. how many teens are living in basements doing gd knows what? But lets not trash ch. Its society, morality, and life that has drastically changed. find a way to reach the teens, find a way to make them normal…

    anonymous
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    anonymous

    once again a letter with no name is …..
    put a name or dont write it atall

    to #63 & #64
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    to #63 & #64

    WELL SAID!!!! YOU ARE RIGHT!!!!!!!

    yeah 64 its true and sad..i mean i used to be one of those teens in those basements and you have no idea what goes down..i feel bad these kids dont know how they are destroying themselves as i did not know myself..

    baal teshuva
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    baal teshuva

    \being a baal teshuva i used to be more scared of the mishichist..the “off the derech” teens are not what scares people.

    and what of visitors to Crown Heights?
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    and what of visitors to Crown Heights?

    We are neglecting to answer the question the author asks…. How will visitors who are not frum be treated upon arrival in crown heights? What if one of them tries to be tznius but doesn’t know all the parameters? Are they going to be yelled at? are they going to be called horrible things?

    Do we need to hang signs about modest dress around? These are just questions, not meant to be an attack. What is the answer pertaining to this? Any suggestions are welcome.

    to 67
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    to 67

    Du tzugekummener.

    reallly?
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    reallly?

    Really? no.11 its the parents. Avrohom Aveenu had a Yishmoel and Yitzchok Aveenu had an Esav. I guess our Avod weren’t frum enough for you

    Bas Yisroel
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    Bas Yisroel

    There are many stories of people that did not have kids, etc.. R”L
    When they wrote to the Rebbe, the rebbe inquired to know if they ever hurt or insulted a Jewish girl, …. VD”L

    Judge others the way you would like to be judged!

    Guest

    are you saying that as long as thay are not visiting its ok?!

    to 69
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    to 69

    what does that mean?

    Crown Heigthts Mother
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    Crown Heigthts Mother

    I am so sorry if what the author said truly happened. But I am SO GLAD people are talking about the tznius problem in Crown Heights instead of remaining silent!! I believe the problem will be solved not by one action, but by a number of different actions (not that I know what they all are…). One way might be a women’s campaign called “If You See Something, Say Something.” Let women approach someone they feel might listen to them (possibly it should be someone they already know — ? I’m not sure about this part) and speak kindly and… Read more »

    Big Shliach
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    Big Shliach

    Why remain anonymous? I know you are full of it. how di u use such words being a Rebbe’s Shliach.

    so what now???
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    so what now???

    Apparently he is asking these immodest women how much they charge for their services. How he singles them out is his shmiras einayim problem along with their dressing problem. They both have a problem here.
    Did anyone come up with a solution- cuz this problem has clearly been here awhile, discussed in every neshei newsletter, etc… it is very worrisome…

    Don't Be Ridiculous
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    Don't Be Ridiculous

    I agree with #57 and am amazed that 56 people before did not say it… Most of us can agree that verbally attacking someone is a DISGUSTING and pointless approach, but we must separate the message from the messenger. I am a young Lubavitch B”T that worked SO HARD to reach the standard of tznius set forth by the Rebbe. Now I have to turn around and watch my neighbors and friends disregard it – saying either that they just can’t handle it, or that they don’t think it’s truly “the standard” anymore. Imagine if someone turned to you two… Read more »

    We need an "Ohel"
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    We need an "Ohel"

    a Magid came to a town and gave one of his Musar routine acts. Everyone cried… one clever chossid got him in a dark alley and threatend to kill him, when he asked why, the chossid anwered simply because we live too far from any tzadik’s “Ohel” – so I will kill you, we’ll bury you right here in town so we can have a Tzadik’s kever. The “Tzadik” confessed to a sin, but the chossid said it’s not a big sin.. this went on until all of the “Tzadik’s” true colors were revealed. That’s when he said to him… Read more »

    to 78
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    to 78

    good story and lesson

    Tznius needs to be emphasized in behavior more
    Guest
    Tznius needs to be emphasized in behavior more

    Tznius is not just clothes. Moshe Rabbeinu did not rebuke until his last days and then only in an allegorical way.

    Very Nice!
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    Very Nice!

    Well said, but the situation is so bad that I dont see it helping.
    The fact that Chabad is too nice and has ahavas Ysrael permits this lack of tzinius. other places this wouldnt stand. Somehow something has to be done to this people because they send their kids to the same school as mine or yours… Even with the whole forms to sign about tznius, tv.. does not help!!!!!!

    a student of this shliach
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    a student of this shliach

    You definitely are sincerely anonymous!!

    Where the love went.
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    Where the love went.

    When you threw out the values of Chassidus and tznius, the love went too. Why is it that you suddenly are worried about the loss of Lubavitch values. Where were you when the other values disappeared? Charity begins at home. You begin with the values that you are uncomfortable with, and then the love will come. But as long as you discard the values of Lubavitch (Chassidishkeit, tznius etc) you can not expect the rest to stay. It’s all part of one package. You can dress the way you want, and live the way you want, but don’t expect the… Read more »

    can't believe it
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    can't believe it

    no. 81 “very nice.” What was that you said ‘other places wouldn’t stand for it. I don’t know who you are but since when to we do what “other places do” . why don’t you just pick up and leave and go to this “other places” because you sure don’t sound like you belong in the Rebbe’s daled amos. “These people are what you call our brothers and sisters. Can’t wait to see you pack up and leave and Hatzlocha there with “Those people” You maybe live here but you are not a chossid of our Rebbe and don’t holier… Read more »

    ha ha
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    ha ha

    Funny someone like no. 65 complains of someone writing a piece ,yet not giving their name. I guess when you got your name , you were named anonymous .Look in the mirror

     SO YES, IT IS TRUE
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    SO YES, IT IS TRUE

    MY CLOSE FRIEND, AN AIDEL, TZNIUSDIKE WOMAN, CAME OUT OF THE CH MIKVEH AND WAS ATTACKED BY ONE OF THESE SO-CALLED ZEALOTS. HE USED DISGUSTING LANGUAGE AND UPSET HER TERRIBLY. I WOULD HAVE CALLED THE POLICE. THESE ‘ZEALOTS’ BELONG IN JAIL. THEIR BEHAVIOR IS ABOMINABLE AND ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE. THE ONLY PEOPLE THEY FEAR ARE THE POLICE. SO YES, IT IS TRUE.

    CH Dad
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    CH Dad

    Unfortunately it is a tough situation – one not easy to explain. However, that said, I am staying and so are many of our friends. Let one of these goons try anything like that and the cops will be called. Moiser this mesira that. Aiin’t gonna help – you do the crime you’ll do the time.
    You harass our girls (for right or wrong – its not you to judge) you WILL bear the punishment.

    Face the facts
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    Face the facts

    Some way altough I dont understand how Lubavitchers decided that its okay to be frei Tznius is not the issue its a just one of the many side affects.

    These frei yidden who are a serius percentage of Lubavitch. CH as well as shluchim want to run Lubavitch.

    So lets stop fooling ourselves no sweet talk will help the situation Lubavitch needs some sort of serious wake up call to wake them up from this situation

    Basic hypocrisy
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    Basic hypocrisy

    I guess some of the signs of ikvesa d’meshichs (chutzpah yasgei, samim or lachoshech v’choshech la’or) are being fulfiled in front of our eyes. Have we completely forgotten that lack of tzniyus is 100% assur, and something that a true chassid abhors? Why is the attack always on the one trying the make the shchuna look normal? Of course, his methods may be extreme, but how hypocratic and chutzpahdik is it for someone to continue to blatantly act and dress untzniyusdik, and the minute they are told something, they immediately counter with, “Hey! You can’t talk to me like thata!… Read more »

    teach laws of tznius in bais rivkah
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    teach laws of tznius in bais rivkah

    They don’t teach it, they should start from a very young age. They should have it as a subject with tests and contests. They should take girls to stores and show them what is right and what is wrong. They should take them on trips to other neighborhoods and to seamstresses to talk about how to fix brautifully clothing bought without tznniuss and how they could be fixed. Teach how to fix them in school. Chassanim and kallos classes should include it.

    I am Untzeius
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    I am Untzeius

    That’s right – I am untzneius, and do you wanna know: why? Because I can. And you can’t do nothing about it. I walk down the street wearing whatever I please. You can stare all you want, but don’t you dare call me names. If you don’t like the way I’m dressed – no one forces you to look at me! If you are offended by my dress code, does that give you a right to embarress me? Since when do two wrongs make a right?! I don’t care what you think of me. I might make you blush, but… Read more »

    arrest them
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    arrest them

    1) They should be thrown out of kollel and if they are not thrown out, pressure should be placed on the heads of the kollel, since by not throwing them out they are condoning it.

    2) Shomrim should citizen arrest them and charge them with harassment.

    3 There should be zero tolerance for harassment in Crown Heights.

    to#91
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    to#91

    I could care less if those guys embarrass you and humiiate you. You know why? not because of the way you dress, but because you are so proud of it, and so arrogant and so insensitive to other peoples feelings. I have boys, they dont need to be exposed to wh…. like you. I dont live in Vegas, this is a frum community. Its sad to say that the non frum ones who are way more intillectual than you will cover up when they come to our neighbor hood. Loose the attitude, its very unbecoming. I hope those guys do… Read more »

    To#91
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    To#91

    I hope those guys make you blush, the same way you dont care if the bochurim blush. Are you that insecure that you need to dress like a cheap…. to get attention? have you any dignity? or self respect? im not saying to dress like morman but man, have some class at least. Even in Hollywood, there are the classy ones and the cheap ones. Show less skin and more brains (if you are capable)

    yay!
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    yay!

    it may not b the right approach- but at least someones doin something. untznius women should NOT feel comfortable- and why r they surprised when they are dressed like that? it is sickening. besides that this ruins their marriages, family life, and obstructs the brochos from Hashem.

    to #91
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    to #91

    u r publicizing to the world that u have never learned the basic trait of respect for yourself, and others. it may not b ur fault- u were probabely raised in a broken home- but u have a void that u dont know how to fill. i hope ur not a grown woman speaking like that…it sounds too immature and selfish…please seek help…

    hot topic
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    hot topic

    this is obviously a hot topic and one that keeps coming up again again ill just put in my opinion like everyone else here i have a “long kapote” , untrimed beard, my wife covers her hair and dresses 100% tzniusdike with all the chumros .. so do all of our kids …….. and both of us don’t care how others dress. It simply doesn’t even register i don’t see their clothes or there hair or their legs. I see a person. I dont want anyone thrown out of ch, i dont want anyone screamed at or harrased ch’vsh i… Read more »

    Observer
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    Observer

    Who would have dreamed that the graduates of the non-chassidish Bais Yaakovs would turn out to be LEVELS ABOVE their counterparts in CH when it comes to tznius?

    t s
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    t s

    insecure people need to use brute force. if you can’t get people to do as you want, beat them up. has worked since adam and eve. works in iraq. worked in europe in 1940. works in monroe. seems like crown heights is a battleground for democracy. yes, yes. torah is not democratic. (i thought they just had elections here and they will soon have another for rabanim just as the rebbe did decades ago) az es toot vey, shreit men. Yup. YOUR toe you cry about, not mine. and my skirt is not yours. my beard is not yours. do… Read more »

    my friend, i love you but...
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    my friend, i love you but...

    you are crazy!!
    you lost youre balance of whts right or wrong… come back to yeshiva it’ll help.
    …or kolel

    I am A Satmer Chosid
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    I am A Satmer Chosid

    and my question is that when the Lubavitcher Rebbe ZT”L came to america and said “America is nisht andresh” and set up the entire chabad which in fact has done and continues to do so much good for the world, but for the aygine chasiddim that are now not acting like Lubavitcher chasiddim they are worse then the friya. maybe the Satmer Rebbe ZT”L when he came to America was correct by saying that “AMERICA IS ANDRESH” and that we have to keep our children away from the fraye and away from the goyim, because now you see that Satmer… Read more »

    Just wondering.
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    Just wondering.

    I haven’t seen such conduct alleged in the article. I’m surprised that an anonymous article should be accepted as fact and arouse such reactions.I’m also wondering why collive finds it more important to address some zealots ,rather than a serious problem of people blatantly disregarding shulchan Aruch and the words of The Rebbe in the Rebbe,s neighborhood .

    a teen
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    a teen

    if some one screams at my girlfriend like that the they’re head will be rolling down the street
    and to those who scream i understand you are attracted to the women and it bothers you, but to embarrass them is not going to do much so get lost

    nos
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    nos

    to we need an ohel #78
    the clever chossid was reb shmuel munkis

    Cops?
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    Cops?

    To all the morons talking about calling the cops: Ever hear of the First Amendment? You can say what you want. The cops can’t do anything about it.

    # 83 makes a fair point
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    # 83 makes a fair point
    telling people to leave crown heights!
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    telling people to leave crown heights!

    all these comments that people with lack of Tznius should leave crown heights, what utter chutzpah. The rebbe very clearly wanted more jews to live in crown heights, even jews who are not that frum. (russian immigrants years ago).

    To #91
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    To #91

    Kudos.

    COL is a respectable site, but it has always been plagued by substandard trolls. Although the performance wasn’t perfect, and a few choice words could have had some commenters foaming in the mouth, it was still a classic job. Keep coming. Society needs artists whom are willing to perform for free.

    83 is right
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    83 is right

    what an amazing point!
    the author of this article is so off point, i wonder if he is truly a shliach?
    anyways, today no shluchim can give any mussar to CH residents where many of them are frumer & more chasddish than a large percent of shluchim!

    basic --- edcucation...
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    basic --- edcucation...

    I saw young girls walking near the n’hood late at night obviously ‘going out’ and thought to myself forget about tznius, these kids are putting themselves in danger!

    Let me deal with M!
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    Let me deal with M!

    I’ve never seen these Taliban in action. I wish I did! I’d beat them within an inch of their lives & I am one of the “super-Tznius brigade” (according to most “poskim” on COLlive!) Calling women names is not only wrong, but insane. Where are others who see it? Why don’t they speak up & protect these women? I don’t know who this M. & his buddies are. How about someone circulating pictures of them so we can be ready to fight back? Where are their Mashpiim? WHO are their Mashpiim? I too am appalled by the terrible standards especially… Read more »

    uch and vey!
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    uch and vey!

    That our some in our community don’t realize that these “Brutal” and “Relentless” attacks are NOT Chassidic zealotry! Although I agree that the author of this article should have signed his name, let’s call it what it is….100% emes! Unfortunately the author did not get carried away in hyperbole . . .

    olam hafuch
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    olam hafuch

    you might be right that it is not nice to approach people in not a nice way…. but the fact that it is happening, is because people has forgotten everything else lubavitch stands for besides love. the rebbe was against woman walking on the street with a tichel on. and as we see it starts with a tichel on the streets then just a little hair showing (who cares according halacha this much is ok and then once that is ok) then the tichel goes half of your head…. then as long as i have a skirt i don’t need… Read more »

    schools
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    schools

    Talking about Tznius the schools of our neighborhood must call a mandatory meeting for parents to attend before the school year starts , Bnos Menachem was the only school so far to do something for Tznius Schools you can make the difference instead of calling your teachers meeting about tznius call the parents.We need your help

    I live in Brooklyn outside of Crown Heights
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    I live in Brooklyn outside of Crown Heights

    I don’t know what goes on these days in Crown Heights but what I could tell you is the preception of other orthodox communities of crown Heights. It is very sad and shameful. As a Lubavitcher who leaves ouside of Crown Heights, I was approached many times by non-Lubavitchers asking me why crown heights girls are not so tznius? the first time I heard that question I was shocked. I had to explain to them that some dress that way but they are chasidishe girls and are not as bad as they think. Needless to say that trying to explain… Read more »

    Weird
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    Weird

    This group of yungerleit is one to three people. If you (author) were so concerned, go to Rabbi Heller, and I am sure you would reach a normal conclusion. The gist of this article is not tznius.

    Tznius
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    Tznius

    One of the comments is s uggesting to make public the names of these yungelait not bad idea but together with that list make one with the names of those women that dress untzniusdik maybe also pictures of them. If you look into it you will see that must of these women have a low self esteem problem and are looking for some attention they can’t get from other missing attributes. The are selfish and don’t care about others. Provoking the yetzer hara is doing bad or even worse against ahavas yisroel then telling them the emes openly. Tznius is… Read more »

    to 91
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    to 91

    YOU are a perfect example of the warped mentality of the morons who claim to be “chassidish” and “frum” – yet they are far from it! If I want to call you what you really are – I’ll do it! Why are you entitled to the freedom of walking around half naked – and I, am “not allowed” to say a word about it?! I think that instead of the yungeleit screaming and yelling at these insolent dogs {which, by the way, ALSO walk around without any clothes….} they should file a complaint for INDECENT EXPOSURE!!!! After a few of… Read more »

    Hood dad
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    Hood dad

    to the ones saying you can NOT call a cop or whatever – I believe you could. There is harrasment and aggravated I forgot what its called but I’m sure if what they are doing is illegal – the authoroties can be called vechulu. As much as I don’t totally agree with the tzinius issue, this is chabad after all, and I would never ever judge another like this. It is just not in our insides. It will only push people away and thats not what the rebbe wanted. The Satmar guy says abt being more chassidush and stuff –… Read more »

    to #27
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    to #27

    Please don’t assume my name – and please don’t write stupid dribble using fake words like superbole[sic]!

    Cigarettes
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    Cigarettes

    Have you ever known someone who smokes? Have you ever talked to them and told them the dangers of smoking and they still won’t stop? The same with people who are ot dressed tznius. You can talk and talk to them about tznius but they enjoy the clothes they wear and talking about being tznius won’t do much good. To get a person to stop smoking, the person smoking must have the desire and will-power to stop smoking. So the question is, how do you instill in someone who is not dressed tznius the desire and willpower to dress tznius?

    My two cents
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    My two cents

    A. First things first. There is a serious Tznius problem going on in Crown Heights. When we lived in Crown Heights I would try to walk to walk down Albany or Brooklyn instead of Kingston in order to avoid much of the pritzus. Nowadays volt dos oich geholfen a kadoches. B. Lubavitch has long been known for stopping people people on the streets and asking them to up their Jewish observance. You might even say this is our Modus Operundi. So I see nothing wrong with Chassidim stopping other Chassidim on the street and asking them to raise their standard… Read more »

    Boruch N. Hoffinger                BS"D
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    Boruch N. Hoffinger BS"D

    Firstly, where’s your self-esteem everybody…sign your names. This makes your comment more believable. Secondly #10 I don’t think it’s a ‘pashkville’ because no names were mentioned. #9 Perhaps being a little ‘gevuradick’ might work? Not the best way. Women, oh fine and spiritual Jewish Chabad women, those who don’t dress ‘keHalacha’ should know…dearest ladies, that when you show what shouldn’t be shown, you are putting your own brothers in conflict…pain. The men see an attractive woman with a short dress, with a slit or exposed arms (Above elbow) and they start thinking thoughts that, if they are trying to fight… Read more »

    TO 103
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    TO 103

    boy maybe u should tell her to dress more accordingly!

    wow
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    wow

    This article was written perfectly. The author didn’t write their name, because of all you crazy people who would attack at scrutinize her personally. Many of these comments are shockingly pathetic. Some of you don’t even believe it’s true. Let me just tell you, yes, it is true. I had a high school girl visiting from out of state, who became frum, and goes to a modern orthodox high school and is considered one of the “the religious one” amongst her friends. She went walking down kingston, dressed respectfully, and she came back less than ten minutes late bawling her… Read more »

    A real Crown Heights problem
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    A real Crown Heights problem

    Why do girls from out of town who are NOT baalei teshuva have to eat alone 4 out of 5 friday nights because nobody invites them?

    Positive
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    Positive

    Why won’t someone do something positive here and write and post an article about tznius explaining the issues and rules in todays language. If you get one, only one person to change you got a full world. True nothing is 100% logical and you need some believe and modesty within yourself but inmersing in a pool every month is logical? But everybody does it even the ones that dress loosely why ?because they still have some believe and they feel the kedusha and care about their children. I think women should organize small group to discuss this issues among themselves… Read more »

    level headed person
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    level headed person

    if it walks like a duck talks like a duck then its a duck sorry to burst your bubbles but if a lady walks like a prutza then thats what she is! and its high time someone told her what she represents! but then again on the other hand it should maybe done in a more positive way.. how i am not sure but I think that this may be the only way for the message to hit home. you ladies who dress like this bring shame to the shechuna, the Rebbe, your parents, your family, your children and YOURSELVES!… Read more »

    Story from Gemorah
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    Story from Gemorah

    Do you people know there is a story from the Gemara that said that Rebbi tore off a red dress from a woman in public!!! would you dare to call him taliban etc… calling names is nothing compared to tearing off a dress in public! so there you go! imagine if you saw someone who is a ganav and a murderer would not scream ganav murderer well these ladies are worse, yes worse, they steal the kedushah of the yiddishe neshamos the murder the kedusha of a yiddishe neshamo. and the gemorah says this “gadol hamachtio min hahorgo” worse is… Read more »

    so called chabad, reform is more like it
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    so called chabad, reform is more like it

    why dont you move to modern orthodox community and continue living the way you do. you are not chabad! chabad is chassidish which means lifnim meshuras hadin beyond the letter of the law, if you are willing to follow halacha fine.. if not you as well open up a reform temple a good few blocks away and all of you who do not care to follow halacha may daven there! and that goes for the men also who have tvs at home watch movies… trim or shave… just move to a community where you will be welcome, and maybe the… Read more »

    tznius
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    tznius

    many of you ask what is tznius well you know many of you should take a walk into williamsburg and borropark and you will see the proper way of tznius, and guess waht in willi no one from the community will be dressed the way some of u dress because they will be humiliated or worse it works there, so maybe thats the way to go. I for one will be willing to point out to a lady that makes a chillul shem lubavitch that you bring shame to me and chabad and to yourself, and shame on you! and… Read more »

    esther in LA
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    esther in LA

    much of the problems here are a result of a lack of personal boundaries.when women think that they can go however they want in the rebbe’s schuna that is one boundary broken.when others loose their boundaries and attack these women verbally no one should be surprised.frankly if a women dressed improperly is insulted by this,she’s being very hypocritical.

    Just a thought
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    Just a thought

    I think it’s incredibly patronizing and condescending to think it is ever appropriate to rebuke a stranger on the street- yes, even if done in a mentclich manner described in some comments above. As condescending as saying ‘just teach them the halochos and they will see the light and improve their mode of dress’.
    Women who dress that way have learned the halochos in school, trust me. There may be a million underlying reasons for what is happening in chabad but nobody is going to take to heart the words of a stranger on Kingston.

    #33 hit the nail right on the head.
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    #33 hit the nail right on the head.

    Under the Rebbe’s tutelage and personal presence (please don’t include “imaginary presence”) we accepted a lot. The Rebbe raised the bar of “kum va’assey” by adding kappitlech tehillim; Rambam daily; campaigns on this; campaigns on that (e.g. siyumim). Without his presence the “lo sa’asseh” is drifting down with the dropping off of the “kum va’assey”. Mashpiyim etc are all calling for the standards of the past, without delineating clearly as to what is black and what is gray. Any new (3rd) Rov will be cannibalized if he attempts to do just that. What an absolute disaster. “Modern Chabad” is already… Read more »

    Ahavas Yisroel doesn't mean Hefkeirus!
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    Ahavas Yisroel doesn't mean Hefkeirus!

    If were all so nice , we wont have a community, we’ll have a jungle and a second manhattan Cv”s in CH

    Restraining order
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    Restraining order

    If every women in CH will file a restraining order against him, he will not be allowed on most blocks.

    Tznius for Men Too
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    Tznius for Men Too

    While we put the emphasis on the women, there is a lot the men can do too.
    Let’s not be naive ,but another big Tznius problem is that too many men talk very freely to woman.
    I have personally heard men compliment other women on their dresses Etc.This kind of behavior only perpetuates the problem. So let’s look at the issue as a whole.
    Maybe the men also stop exposing their chests as they have begun to do lately.

    TO # 67
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    TO # 67

    Best response.

    WE need to work on ourselves- not harass others.

    To "leah" #125
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    To "leah" #125

    You write: “The author didn’t write their name, because of all you crazy people who would attack at scrutinize her personally”

    Besides being grammatically incorrect (author is single, their is plural), you reveal that you know the author – a “she” – in the second half of the sentence.

    Learning
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    Learning

    Learning and teaching are the key and when this is done with love and respect, like our rebbeim taught, then we succeed! What will you say you did to bring moshiach?

    Boro Park and Williamsburg?!
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    Boro Park and Williamsburg?!

    Yes they are tznius but that is not who we are! We are the princessess and princes of the chabad lineage and we are proud of who we are and aspire to be just that!!! Our rebbe was so passionate about shaitelach being worn that he created a fund and wanted women to wear the most beautiful ones. So go encourage your wives, sisters etc to spend the time and effort on choosing a shaitel they love, then slowly build the confidence within each woman , girl and mother to find the appropriate attire that befits a jewish woman. We… Read more »

    STEP UP TO THE PLATE!!!
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    STEP UP TO THE PLATE!!!

    SARA IMEINU MERITED A SON BECAUSE OF HER TZNIUS!! EVEN THE BIGGEST TZADDAIKES STRUGGLES WITH HER TZNIUS!!! WE HAVE A GREAT MISSION HERE TO ACCOMPISH, LETS FOCUS ON OUR GOAL AND NOT LOOK DOWN AT OTHERS! WHO SAYS WE ARE PERFECT!! IF WE BEGIN BY BEING KIND AND RESPECTFUL TO ONE ANOTHER THIS WILL BRING UPON US SUCH GREAT MERITS. THIS WILL FIGHT THE YETZER HARAH AND THIS WILL AROUSE AN AMAZING AWAKENING WITHIN EACH ONE OF US TO HELP ONE ANOTHER ON OUR JOURNEYS TOWARDS A UNIFIED AND DIGNIFIED LUBAVITCH WITH THE MOST POWERFUL EFFECT ON THE WORLD TO… Read more »

    The Chabad Way
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    The Chabad Way

    I don’t understand what all this back and forth discussion is all about.
    Just to clarify to all those who are not familiar with the Chabad opinion on this matter, I present you with some information that may enlighten you.
    The first Chabad Rebbe clearly writes in his Magnum Opus how these situations should be dealt with.
    In Chapter 32 of the Tanya, regarding the Mitzvah of ‘Hochiach Tochiach’ rebuking someone who may be doing something wrong (Tznius in our situation), he writes ‘Tzorich lemoshchon bechevlai avosois ahava’ -‘One must draw them (towards good) with thick ropes of love’.

    Tanya
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    Tanya

    Tanya also says that anyone not davening properly will be in cherem… The difference is that chap 32 speaks about those outside you have to pull them in with love.. But those who know and are chabad should daven and act proper if not they are in cherem

    work on ourselves
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    work on ourselves

    When I work on myself I influence others. It is a good formula!

    Jerusalem
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    Jerusalem

    It is good to see so many people express their concern regarding the lapse in the community standards of modesty, a real and pressing problem which reflects, unfortunately, a lack of unified leadership rather than the absence of Yiras Shemayim. I live in Jerusalem where Naturei Karta and other disturbed individuals roam around the frumer areas screaming and spitting at people that are not necessarily dressed according to community standards. This is abhorrent to all and resemble the actions of a rabid and depraved animal rather than the praised zealotry of Pinchas Ha Cohen which so many of you are… Read more »

    Manis Freedman and the like
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    Manis Freedman and the like

    Manis Freedman and the like should hold discussion groups with these young people and ask what is bothering them to have abandoned tznius and let’s remedy things.

    To 144
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    To 144

    Where are you getting your information from?
    Where does it say that you will be in Cherem?
    And in Perek Lamed Beis does not talk about ‘those outside’ it clearly says who it is talking about, ANYBODY who is not your equal in Torah and Mitzvos, and who is not close to you.
    It looks like there are people who like fights and twist the Tanya and the Sichos only so that they can support their fighting.

    Headline
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    Headline

    I think it should be ‘Where did the hate come from?’
    And I think the answer is ‘not from Lubavitch’
    The love is still here, it’s just that a few haters have infiltrated with their non-Chabad hatred.

    rachmono litzlan
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    rachmono litzlan

    i like, di epel falt nisht vait fun di boim, but the winds are too strong these days

    To #29
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    To #29

    I agree with u well said!
    This did happen in Kan Tziva

    leadership
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    leadership

    #26 is right on the point!

    So worried about Guests?
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    So worried about Guests?

    What about us? I don’t know what the solution is anymore

    "THE ANSWER" from a R E A L Shlucha - Part 1
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    "THE ANSWER" from a R E A L Shlucha - Part 1

    Here is what is really going on in C.H. The author of the article is guilty of gross misrepresentation of the facts in C.H, while using the IMAGINARY, misrepresented outrageous behavior of the “imaginary, non-existent zealots”, as the vilins and making out the Prutzos to be the imaginary victims when in truth the exact opposite is the real reality in C.H. Only someone who lives outside of C.H. who has never been here, can believe the stupidity and imaginary MYTH portrayed by the writer since the scenario portraid in the article does in fact NOT exist, period. For all the… Read more »

    "THE ANSWER" from a R E A L Shlucha - Part 2
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    "THE ANSWER" from a R E A L Shlucha - Part 2

    Assuming that we have 2 thing in C.H. which are inappropriate, the priztuzes is rampant on every corner 24/7 and the imaginary “RARE meshugener zealot” happens only 1 in a million, why would the write choose to be outraged and a very rare Meshugener Zealot, rather than be outraged and the all too common PRUTZOS who roam the streets of C.H. 24/7 ?????? The answer is because what the writer is REALLY being bothered by is the fact that the Kolel has recently EFFECTIVELY created such a massive campaign that dressing Un-Tzniusdik is to be LOOKED DOWN upon because it… Read more »

    "THE ANSWER" from a R E A L Shlucha - Part 3
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    "THE ANSWER" from a R E A L Shlucha - Part 3

    As for the imaginary fear created by yelleing “fire” and yelling “danger” to use SCARE TACTICS to justfy the Untznius on Kingston Ave, and letting everyone get away with it, by scaring us, by saying: “What if this untznisudik looking women was sent here by a Shliach or Shlucha”. This argument is also being “U S E D” to take the heat off the real problem. Let all Shluchim and Shluchos be put on notice, that when we Shluchim send our mekurovim to C.H., we first TELL THEM, that in this area, there is a DRESS CODE and that not… Read more »

    kick them out of our schools!!
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    kick them out of our schools!!

    the kids of these barely dressed will turn out worse than their moms- we dont want our kids influenced by these low-lives!

    Housewife in C.H.
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    Housewife in C.H.

    # 151 is right. No women would ever even think of walking outside with a dress which is completely dirty, utterly filthy, soiled from top to bottom. Any normal women would be too ashamed to walk outside that way and if for some reason she had nothing else to put on, she would just stay home until after the wash is done. The only reason women walk outside dressed with short sleeves, a short dress and a low neckline is only because they don’t realize that such dress is more shameful and far more disgusting looking, than a badly soiled… Read more »

    aaaargh
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    aaaargh

    To all those that say these scenarios are not true – what do you know?!
    It happened to my sister and my sisters friend.

    To # 159 - Me too
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    To # 159 - Me too

    My sister and her friend also just purchased the Brooklyn Bridge.

    Don't do to others
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    Don't do to others

    This must stop for a very simple reason, if this continues then other people will counter harass, and they will harass all the harassers.
    It won’t be pretty, Crown Heights will turn into one big fat jungle of animals harassing each other.
    I hope those who have started this method will be happy with what they are doing to Crown Heights.
    “Don’t do to others, what you don’t want to be done to you”.
    Because otherwise, others will do it to you.

    #161
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    #161

    By your reasoning: I think We should not have Police because if the Police “harass” the criminals then the criminals will be upset and harass the police and then we will have “one big fat jungle”, according to you. I got news for you. According to Torah being dressed improperly is a real crime and unless someone is going to go after the Torah_Criminals, then the criminals will continue to do their crime. Without a Police force there is no law and order. Vehashiva Shoftayich Kevarishona….. Shoftim VESHOTRIM titen lecha bechal shearecha. Torah Law IS enforceable, according to Torah just… Read more »

    just an opinion
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    just an opinion

    To #162
    Yes Torah Law is enforceable when we have a Sanhedrin otherwise, it is left to the Bais Din which is about as enforceable, as, well, you #162.

    What if
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    What if

    A woman in a bikini would enter a chabad house during Davening or learning? What if everyone nicely and respectfully asked her to put something on? What if she wasn’t interested? The next day a few friends joined her. Honestly, what would you do? Crown heights is a kehilla kedusha

    Ahavas Yisroel
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    Ahavas Yisroel

    With all the talk of ahavas Yisroel bad mouthing other kehillos to prove a point just undermines your point. Using the term Misnagdim in a negative way is inappropriate and just divides Klal Yisroel further R”L.

    a bochur in crown heights
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    a bochur in crown heights

    im a bochur who comes every tishrei and other yomei dipagra to crown heights. the reason i come is to get inspiration from 770 the farbrengens dancing. i just want all those dressing untzniesly that what you do ruins the avodah of us bochurim. instead of spending my time farbrenging ive gotta work on keeping my taavos in control.

    thank you for defeating the purpose of my traveling

    thanks to those trying to clean up our neighbourhood
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    thanks to those trying to clean up our neighbourhood

    Community standards without sanctions are meaningless. Chassidus says that chessed has to be balanced with gevurah. Chassed hasn’t worked. Time for a bit of gevurah. And the goal is not to get them to change–that’s a lost cause, or at least not something we can count on. It’s that they should know that either they leave, or they act as expected out of fear. No more monkey business!

    What To Do -
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    What To Do -

    Hashgocha Protis –
    At the same time (!) that this was beginning to heat up on the web, Rabbi Shwei made a Siyum in 770, during which he happened to address the drastic increase in people going off the track. He proposed a compassionate approach,asking everyone to get involved. It’s worth viewing.
    To view, go to: 770live.com, and click on the left side: “Recent Broadcasts (Archives)”, then click on: “13th Siyum, Thursday Night After Tisha Beav – SIYUM on Maseches Chagiga” ( -the last third, till the end of the video).

    to  #125
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    to #125

    good form.

    agree
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    agree

    i completely agree with #35

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