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  1. Unbelievable
    March 10, 2022 – 7 Adar II 5782
    Unbelievable

    Really thankful that this article was published. ONLY HASHEM can heal the pain. May we merit to be agents of healing.

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    • unbelievable
      March 10, 2022 – 7 Adar II 5782
      unbelievable

      Amen

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    • Intention
      March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
      Intention

      The intention of the article was to bring awareness and start a conversation. Although there is a mention of support in this community to or for widows and orphans there is no comparison. Every group has their own challenges. And these need to be respected. There’s no pain like death and maybe widows do need special outings etc much more than divorcees.

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  2. Wow
    March 10, 2022 – 7 Adar II 5782
    Wow

    This was such a powerful article. Beautiful written. Thank you for bringing up this topic.

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  3. Thank you
    March 10, 2022 – 7 Adar II 5782
    Thank you

    Thank you so much for writing this so beautifully. For bringing light to this issue. It’s so important and so needed.
    We need more awareness to support the divorced too.
    Tx for starting

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  4. Love your calm composed tone of voice
    March 10, 2022 – 7 Adar II 5782
    Love your calm composed tone of voice

    I love how you expressed the truth and that people should acknowledge you for you and not for your situation that you are in. Its unfortunate especially for Baali teshuva when they have to face how the frum world treats them when they get divorced. I’m so in awe for some of them and I would like to continue encouraging: always remember: you decided to become frum for Hashem and his Torah AND you have our Rebbe to hold on to! Never let that go, no matter what society throws at you. I would like to add a correction: as a orphan myself, you expressed “We dont get the compassion orphans get…” orphans do not get that much compassion. We are reminded every now and then “oh your different since you lost your parent.” Its not out of compassion, it’s out of “oh I know your not regular like everyone else. ” it’s perhaps a higher standard in the society then divorced children but not compassion.

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  5. Women victims
    March 10, 2022 – 7 Adar II 5782
    Women victims

    I am not saying that a lot of divorce women don’t suffer. However let’s be very very clear that divorce is NOT only when the guy is the bad one. There are plenty of women who are the narcissist who play the victim with false water works and please pity me my ex was horrible. When in truth she is the evil one. And yes I do feel for kids of course I do but let’s not compare divorce women or kids from divorce to widows or orphans. Make your case on what you personally are going through without comparing to a worse situation and making it all one sided. This part is far from the truth. As I know all of it from a personal perspective as I am a child of divorce, a widow and the mother of a divorced son I resent the implication that we don’t feel pain. Or somehow your jealousy of the widows getting some gifts to make our pain a little less strident bothers you I don’t belittle what you are going through but in your own pain you are belittling others. You can be more sensitive that way.

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    • Yup
      March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
      Yup

      I was thinking this the whole time as I was reading the article.

      It goes both ways. People need to know that.

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    • Parental Alienation
      March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
      Parental Alienation

      Some Divorced women are angry, Jealous and vindictive. They get sympathy from do gooders that support parental alienation.
      Parental Alienation is Child abuse.

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      • Parental alienation claims
        March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
        Parental alienation claims

        That claim is usually the narrative of a vindictive man to gain sympathy and abuse his ex wife.

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        • THIS
          March 12, 2022 – 9 Adar II 5782
          THIS

          the idea of the “poor maligned father” is often a tactic by the absentee dad who, after he can no longer refuse a Get, tries to force a relationship with his kids that was never there. He realizes what he’s losing once his wife can’t take it anymore and then the kids become the way he tries to maintain control/bully his wife or the new victims. it’s disgusting.

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  6. Wow
    March 10, 2022 – 7 Adar II 5782
    Wow

    Thank you for bringing this up .

    I’ll check back in comments to see if you answered –
    Practically speaking – how can I help a struggling single mom without making her feel nebach ? Bec i truly don’t think she is
    But don’t want her to feel shame or embarrassment
    Ty

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    • Correction
      March 10, 2022 – 7 Adar II 5782
      Correction

      Already using the word “nebach” is already wrong. They are not nebach cases, they are our fellow yidden who want to be treated as our brothers and sisters with understanding at what they are going through. Nebach should be taken out of the dictionary. Just because something goes wrong in YOUR life, YOU become a nebach? Gross! For starters:invite them over for shabbos or yom tov, that’s always a huge help.

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      • I’ll be honest
        March 10, 2022 – 7 Adar II 5782
        I’ll be honest

        I’ll be honest , I used to invite a local single mother until she started commenting on how lucky I am to have a husband and lucky to have a table with family etc . It made me uncomfortable. Yes I may have a husband but who said my marriage is perfect just because we are not divorced. These comments make a person uncomfortable. I hope you understand. As if she was jealous !

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        • I totally agree and understand
          March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
          I totally agree and understand

          I believe people have lack of communication and lack of understanding with between eachothers situations. How about before to invite her, explain to her “the grass is not greener on the other side” as it might appear. If she still insists, then just be a listening ear friend (listening can do wonders), when you meet her but definitely not make her feel uncomfortable because of her personal situation.

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        • From an experienced single mom
          March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
          From an experienced single mom

          I think it’s important to reframe this and not to assume she was jealous. I want to validate that her comment made you uncomfortable but think about all the discomfort she probably lives with every day and how HaShem has blessed you and then take a moment to extend your heart to hear and to hear her pain.

          By telling you how lucky you are to have a husband, she has actually given you a gift by helping you to feel more grateful and appreciative of your supportive husband – it’s an example of a relationship that she has never had so if anything, you are helping her to have more hope for the future by showing her what a healthy relationship looks like.

          If she did not offend you or say something rude then I would simply push through the discomfort for the sake of everyone concerned and see this as a growth opportunity and keep inviting her.

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          • Reply
            March 12, 2022 – 9 Adar II 5782
            Reply

            Reply to:
            By telling you how lucky you are to have a husband, she has actually given you a gift by helping you to feel more grateful and appreciative of your supportive husband

            Like someone wrote, just cause she is married doesn’t mean things are well.
            Her husband might be very unsupportive etc. Just a reminder

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    • unbelievable
      March 10, 2022 – 7 Adar II 5782
      unbelievable

      bring over something before yom tov or for Purim
      just show up
      see what is needed and act
      hamaase hu haikar

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    • To wow
      March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
      To wow

      Hire her for something, maybe ask her to babysit or something and pay here what you wanted to give her. So you’re a generous boss? Why not, it gives good reviews on Google. 🙂

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    • Add money on her grocery bill
      March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
      Add money on her grocery bill

      You can help by putting money on her grocery bill for her, She doesn’t have to know! Just add a few dollars here.and there.

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    • How you can help
      March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
      How you can help

      You don’t need to worry that helping her will make her feel like a nebach bc she already does feel like a nebach. If anything, the financial help will make her feel better.

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  7. This is actually similar for regular singles
    March 10, 2022 – 7 Adar II 5782
    This is actually similar for regular singles

    Thank you for your honesty
    And I hope you don’t take this the wrong way
    I’m not trying to move the spotlight off you
    Or devalue your specific plight and the details of your story that pertain only to you
    But if it makes you feel better
    Most older singles (30+ women) feel very similarly to you
    We suffer in silence
    We don’t get much support
    We are viewed as misguided
    People think we need advice
    People suggest very outlandish Shidduchim to us
    We have to work hard to support ourselves
    It must be even harder for you
    But some of this is universal for older women who are plain and simple alone

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    • Hugely different
      March 10, 2022 – 7 Adar II 5782
      Hugely different

      Older singles are alone and deserve to be included and invited but that’s basically the only similarity. Divorcees have the huge burden of raising and supporting their family. If an older single needs a vacation, she only has to think of her own schedule. No child care, no can I afford this over my kids’ needs, etc.

      Btw, not just to divorcees, but “Go fundraise” is an awful, insensitive thing for anyone in the chinuch sphere to tell a parent. Many years ago, while paying a decent tuition (top 10%) by the words of the administrator(!), I (married) was told, “Go ask your parents or grandparents. They have money. Why should “school” fundraise the difference of full tuition for you?!” 25 years later, I remember walking out from his office in tears. And when his name comes up – that’s the first way I think of him. “Uch un vay” on him…

      May you find true happiness and your bashert speedily.

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    • with you
      March 10, 2022 – 7 Adar II 5782
      with you

      crying with you
      hope people support older singles as well

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    • a possible suggestion
      March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
      a possible suggestion

      Your observation might be a partial answer to this situation. Would an older single woman be able to assist and get involved with helping a divorced mother of children. It would be a tremendous bracha if the single woman could offer to pick up a kid when necessary, grab something in the market etc. for the divorced woman trying to keep her family together. she could help make shabbos, and come over to eat there. there would be much less stigma for both of the adults, as they’ve arranged to help each other face their challenges. I don’t need to belabor the point, but give it thought.

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    • You're so right!
      March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
      You're so right!

      And with pesach approaching it becomes all the more painful – if you’re over 30 and single and can’t afford to travel, then your stuck with family or friends who are sometimes much younger than you and have all their kids at their table
      Kudos goes out to Bronya Schafer who as a widow makes seders for women only, those who are single and no kids at the table. My friend said it was the first time in her adult life that she really enjoyed and got into the seder. There should be more ways that older single women feel companionship with other people who aren’t feeling sorry for them.

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  8. I love this.
    March 10, 2022 – 7 Adar II 5782
    I love this.

    Thank you for posting this.

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  9. Infertility
    March 10, 2022 – 7 Adar II 5782
    Infertility

    I got divorced with one beautiful daughter years ago. Silently, I have the pain of wanting more children. My siblings and friends have large families and I have an empty nest. A little sensitivity would be nice when speaking about your due dates and large families. Yes, it’s life. Just awareness.

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    • Friend
      March 10, 2022 – 7 Adar II 5782
      Friend

      As your friend what should we do ? It’s hard to know . If we talk about our regular milestones then you may get hurt why you can’t move on. If we avoid it you may get upset why we don’t talk to you like a regular person. It’s hard to know what we should do .

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      • you hit it on the head
        March 12, 2022 – 9 Adar II 5782
        you hit it on the head

        I have a toddler and desperately wish I was still married and getting to have more little ones. There are times when people’s pregnancies, brisim, weddings, etc are too much for me. Or times where I can’t be their sounding board for complaining about how overwhelmed they are with their big family/tons of kids because I don’t have what to give. But you are so correct and so sensitive in saying that it also hurts to be left out.

        I can only tell you what I do/what works for me: open communication. my friends tell me when they have milestones or they know that I will hear them vent about any issue. BUT if i can’t handle it in that moment/I cant’ come, I let them know in a very polite way. And I don’t feel hurt by it and they don’t either. Sometimes I have to bite my tongue with less sensitive acquaintances but I can at least maintain my close friendships without the ‘elephant in the room.’

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    • Sorry
      March 10, 2022 – 7 Adar II 5782
      Sorry

      I’m sorry for your pain .

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    • a fellow sister
      March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
      a fellow sister

      I feel your pain and also wish that “circumstantial infertility” was more spoken about. sending love to you. you are not alone!

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  10. Rather offer than not
    March 10, 2022 – 7 Adar II 5782
    Rather offer than not

    Tell her straight out that it’s a pleasure

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  11. My family is divorced all over
    March 10, 2022 – 7 Adar II 5782
    My family is divorced all over

    We have many divorces in my family. It’s hard. It’s bitter. It’s lonely. It’s uncomfortable.
    I don’t see why you need to compare yourself to what widows get. They have it hard just as well, and sometimes harder.
    I also don’t know why you paint the picture that the woman is always the victim. And the husband is evil and careless. It’s rather 50/50 quiet the opposite.
    Good luck and I hope you find a job.
    P.S. ‘most people’ aren’t out to get you. They simply don’t have jobs to offer.

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    • where is your sensitivity
      March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
      where is your sensitivity

      to the author of this article, please disregard comments like this.

      what you experience is so uniquely difficult, especially as a woman. do not let anyone belittle your pain. it is very real and very valid.

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    • To family is divorced all over
      March 21, 2022 – 18 Adar II 5782
      To family is divorced all over

      Hope you get a job? The author is employed full time. She said her salary isn’t sufficient cause it seems that her ex doesn’t pay child support. Insensitive comment

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  12. Suffering in Silence
    March 10, 2022 – 7 Adar II 5782
    Suffering in Silence

    I feel your pain, and I am glad that you expressed your sadness. Yet I feel it important to point out that TOO many people are suffering ( children addicted to drugs, abuse, loss of loved ones, battling illness, etc.) and many are suffering valiantly and quietly. I believe we have to be more intuned and more sensitive to others whether we are privy to their suffering or not. Most of us have the same hard lives and we should all try to be more caring to others so non of us feel alone.

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    • Great point
      March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
      Great point

      But right now we’re talking about women who have gone through or are going through divorce, so let’s allow our attention to remain on them.

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    • oof
      March 12, 2022 – 9 Adar II 5782
      oof

      I knew this comment would be coming from some well-meaning person who completely missed the point. This mother is writing to explain how she feels and bring attention to something that is hard and also silent. There are MANY posts about drug addicted children, abuse, loss, etc. Do you go on those and say “shush, everyone has their issues?” (I hope not). Please give people the space to express themselves without trying to talk over them. there is no need. one pain doesn’t negate another. She didn’t say “we are the only people who suffer” or “we have the hardest lives” or “anyone who is married can’t complain about their life.” Think about it.

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  13. Now let’s flip the coin
    March 10, 2022 – 7 Adar II 5782
    Now let’s flip the coin

    Fathers that try to stay involved, and get rejected, parental alienation there’s way more to this sad dynamic, father also gave emotions, it’s not ALWAYS THE DAD to blame.

    I agree their should be a better shidduch process for divorced individuals.

    Kindness should be for everyone including the dads.

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    • And yet...
      March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
      And yet...

      Very often the blame does fall on the father, and no one even cares.

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    • Very well said
      March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
      Very well said

      Well said.
      It is a shame that women decide to be ‘strong’ after their divorced rather than being strong during their marriage.

      29 out of 30 times a marriage can be more than just salvaged, rather it can be rained upon with blessings when the woman does רצון בעלה.

      So, ladies who are reading this, take a note. Leave feminism outside of your marriage.

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      • Feminist?
        March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
        Feminist?

        Being a divorced woman does not make the woman a feminist

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        • True
          March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
          True

          But also what is so wrong with being a feminist?

          All human beings should be feminists.

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      • Hahaha
        March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
        Hahaha

        This comment is disgusting.

        Feminism is clearly central to any good relationship.

        Marriage doesn’t have to work out, Gd created divorce for a reason.

        And to all the women reading this, it is not your job to save your marriage. If you want out, that is 100% your choice and you are doing the right thing.

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      • Reality check
        March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
        Reality check

        There’s no being strong when there’s domestic violence. Most divorced women I know got divorced because they were being terrorized and tortured by their husbands. You clearly don’t have experience with this bh so please stop the distortion.

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      • Seriously?!
        March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
        Seriously?!

        That was a disgusting judgemental comment.
        How dare you.
        You don’t deserve any further explanation of how wrong you are.
        May Hashem help you

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      • Feminist?
        March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
        Feminist?

        How about living with a narcissist sociopath?
        If a frum woman leaves her marriage it’s usually in irreparable situation, such as narcissism (which has no treatment), repeated cheating, psychopathic behavior or untreated mental illness
        Not feminism….
        I’m glad your not aware of the crazy reasons women leave
        Wish you well

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      • In the end only kindness matters
        March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
        In the end only kindness matters

        I hope you never have to go through the pain of feeling trapped, lonely and out of options. Your insensitivity is probably born of pain you are not dealing with.

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      • Huh?
        March 12, 2022 – 9 Adar II 5782
        Huh?

        what so stay in an abusive marriage?

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      • To Very well said
        March 12, 2022 – 9 Adar II 5782
        To Very well said

        You are either being very condescending as you have it “all worked out” and know nothing of what other people’s lives might really be likeOr, you are bitter and resentful from your own experience. Either way, your comment reflects a real unhealthiness. That kind of attitude doesn’t reflects a person who has a healthy understanding of relationships

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      • gross
        March 12, 2022 – 9 Adar II 5782
        gross

        Your comment is as idiotic as it is tone deaf. If you have a wife or daughters, I pray for them. This sort of outdated way of thinking is what keeps people in abusive marriages. I would know.

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      • They were strong
        March 14, 2022 – 11 Adar II 5782
        They were strong

        We were strong in the marriage trying to make it work for so long. And then we were strong to realize we and our children deserved better than to live in fear and conflict and misery. And then we are strong every day we do everything on our own. We have always been strong. So please don’t delude yourself into believing we do this out of choice or before trying everything else. Shame on you for your distasteful post

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    • Feminism
      March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
      Feminism

      If you don’t like feminism, make sure your wife doesn’t work to help supply the family. If she does, please ensure she earns less than men in the same job. Make sure she doesn’t vote in local or national elections to support your preferred candidate. Don’t allow her to open credit cards in her name c”v, or apply for loans if your own credit is shot. And if anything comes up that requires talking to your children’s doctors or teachers, take care of that yourself because loud, assertive women are so annoying!

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    • there's always one
      March 12, 2022 – 9 Adar II 5782
      there's always one

      There is always the person who can’t let anyone express their point of view without trying to talk over them because “men too.” neither the time nor the place. Nor relevant to the conversation. nice try though

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  14. Employment opportunity
    March 10, 2022 – 7 Adar II 5782
    Employment opportunity

    Crown Heights Career Hub is an on-site Quickbooks/Excel training program for the Chabad community located in Crown Heights . In a span of only 6 weeks we will train you for a bookkeeping career with huge growth potential. Employment assistance is available. Separate men’s and women’s classes starting after Pesach. Limited spots available. Please contact us at n.schwerd@jccgci.org or 718-449-5000 ext 2336 and leave a message. Click on http://www.chcareerhub.org to apply.

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  15. Be the change you want to see
    March 10, 2022 – 7 Adar II 5782
    Be the change you want to see

    This is beautifully written.
    Yasher koach!
    Here is another thought to consider.
    Every person has pain.
    We all need support.
    So many people are needy for more money.
    Thankfully, there is something we can do to change things for ourselves and others.
    Start a community of support!
    Create a whatsapp group or a Facebook page. Get together in person.
    There is so much you can do to help yourself and others at the same time.
    Yesssss it is important for everyone to be sensitive to other people’s needs.
    But if someone isn’t inviting you or reaching out…
    Don’t judge them!
    The fact that they’re married or they’re financially stable doesn’t mean they have an easier life than you do!
    It may be hard for you to believe but it is still true.
    These are difficult times for everyone.
    There is sooo much pain, everywhere.
    Nobody is coming to save any of us from our loneliness or difficulties. Even the nicest people can’t save us. But we can save ourselves by creating circles of support. Be the change you want to see in our community!!

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    • How not to react
      March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
      How not to react

      This is a perfect example of what not to do when someone tells you they’re hurting, struggling, or need your support.

      Don’t tell them that everyone else is struggling too.

      Don’t tell them that only they can save themselves.

      Don’t push their feelings to the side and demand they “be the change they want to see.”

      Instead, listen. Empathize. Give them space to feel their suffering and stay beside them so they’re not alone.

      Friendship 101.

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      • exactly
        March 12, 2022 – 9 Adar II 5782
        exactly

        I find the multitude of tone-deaf responses of “other people suffer” and “what about the dads” to be pretty sickening. thank you for your response

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  16. Same with single girls
    March 10, 2022 – 7 Adar II 5782
    Same with single girls

    Same happens to single girls

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  17. Clearly there are two sides
    March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
    Clearly there are two sides

    While eating at certain families, sometimes we see the mother showing complete disrespect to her husband, making fun/putting him down in everything he does specially in from of the kids/guests…very disturbing/destructive/shocking really embarrassing bringing along this toxic “power of feminist movement”, being completely oblivious of the husband/father feelings
    At a certain point if/when the husband reaches a certain limit its just to late for any chance to repair. Respect proper communication to each other is a key element
    in the holy foundation of marriage
    And yes unfortunate sometimes this destructive behaviour also happens from the husband/father side…
    Marriage is a institution created by G-D , when truly connected focusing on the ultimate goal of raising children according to Torah which could only be achieved with the approach of “Hatzy HaShekel” always looking for the other halfs needs mutually on/from both sides , strengthen and completing the circle together, harmony is only achieved with combined efforts/proper focus on the purpose of this holy union, once that is achieved it brings a much healthy/positive light which shines/paves out path/journey of life.
    Bring G-D/Torah to illuminate soul
    Shabbat Shalom

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  18. EVERYONE IS SUFFERING
    March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
    EVERYONE IS SUFFERING

    I feel it ironic that you chose the word “invisible” to express your pain. When being divorced is definitely a challenging journey yet not a secret. Possibly many are not appropriate when discussing your life, yet it’s still not invisible! There are to many in our community who are suffering SILENTLY ( abuse, addiction, mental illness ECT) and we will never know. Yet none believes a divorcee is not suffering. Perhaps our community is not sensitive but “invisible” really???

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    • Lack of empathy
      March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
      Lack of empathy

      Of course everyone suffers, but this article is specifically talking about divorce.

      It’s like people who say “all lives matter.” Obviously all lives matter, but right now we’re calling attention to black lives mattering.

      Why is it so difficult for this community to show empathy?

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      • Well said
        March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
        Well said

        There is no limit on showing empathy!

        The plight of divorced single Moms and their children is a situation that is sadly not given much (if any) attention.
        And if you have not experienced yourself or someone close to you, do not make judgements and assume the divorcee has not tried their best to make the marriage work.

        Be sensitive, show compassion, be kind and helpful to these wonderful families

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      • Full of empathy
        March 13, 2022 – 10 Adar II 5782
        Full of empathy

        If we don’t label the issue properly we will Never get the solution. Yes invisible is inappropriate. We need to be sensitive and accurate to truly help others. Sounding nice does bring us closer to the solution.

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        • A pity
          March 14, 2022 – 11 Adar II 5782
          A pity

          That you have the opportunity to realize you said something rude, apologize, and learn/grow. and instead you double down and stick to your opinion. Sigh.

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    • Stop Comparing
      March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
      Stop Comparing

      A divorced woman expresses her pain. She feels invisible, isolated.
      Who are we to question the pain of feeling ‘invisible”.
      This is not a time to judge or compare.
      Let us show compassion and be sensitive to the situation that so many innocent woman/ men and innocent children face.

      It is time to show compassion. To be there for the heartbroken.

      To LOVE our fellow Jew!
      To show them LOVE !
      To make each person feel like they matter!, Because they do ❣️

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  19. Children often times suffer the most
    March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
    Children often times suffer the most

    Amazing article that shines a light on the most invisible in divorced situations

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  20. # 613 here. Reach out to me.
    March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
    # 613 here. Reach out to me.

    First I want to address are there any decent shidduch offers out there. There are if only we’d give them a chance and date them once. I am sure Kalba Sabua didn’t think Rochels choice of shidduch with Akiva was decent . He was actually horrified. Yet Rochel chose to see something else. And Rochel interestingly enough proposed too.

    If a shidduch does come up give it a fighting chance. Thank the shadchan they atleast suggested to you.

    As far as how you feel treated re divorce I feel your pain. You spelled it out well. There needs to be more effort on everyone to not judge people and to give everyone no matter their lifestyle or background an opportunity and to treat them like everyone else. Marriage is a mitzvah and at times when warranted so is a divorce. If you want to ever reach out you can I am a Shlucha. I feel your pain. Let’s daven that Hashem will make this Adar a miraculous one in an open and revealed manner for all. So there will be no more pain and no more tears. I want to dance at your chasunah.

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    • you hit on another bad cliche we get
      March 12, 2022 – 9 Adar II 5782
      you hit on another bad cliche we get

      the way you say “if only we’d give them a chance and date them once.” please remember you are talking about women who have already had a failed marriage. There may be red flags we ignored while in shidduch process/dating/engaged. we do not want to make the same choices. We don’t want to “take what we can get” if it could end up in another abusive marriage. There may be many reasons why we say no to a shidduch. Sometimes it’s because people say “well you’re single and he’s single, it’s a shidduch” and leave it at that. Sometimes it’s because you see certain red flags you saw in your ex spouse. Whatever the reason, we are not obligated to give it a try if we are not interested. we don’t have to take what we can get if it’s not what is going to be good for us.

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  21. Kindness
    March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
    Kindness

    Sadly There is a lack of sensitivity ! Many people going through challenges -and though it’s hard they will deal with it in the best possible way and hope hashem will show them the light!
    However, no one ever rejected kindness! A small kind gesture goes a long way ! Try it even if not sure -it is so easy and not expensive to show someone a touch of thoughtfulness (even Amazon can help with that) even if you are busy or have your challenges -reach out -I guarantee they won’t reject you for showing you care

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    • Beautiful! Thank You
      March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
      Beautiful! Thank You

      We need more people like you!!

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  22. Reality
    March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
    Reality

    BTW the tuition fees are the same as public school. The only difference is, the govt pays for it.

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  23. "we suffer quietly"
    March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
    "we suffer quietly"

    If you suffered publicly , would it make you feel better?

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    • It's not about the publicity
      March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
      It's not about the publicity

      It’s about being supported and feeling valued.

      If you’re not married, wealthy, or have the right last name in this community, you’re basically invisible.

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      • So true
        March 12, 2022 – 9 Adar II 5782
        So true

        Also don’t forget the baal teshuva’s and their children who are treated like second class citizens.

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        • It’s still not the same
          March 21, 2022 – 18 Adar II 5782
          It’s still not the same

          I am a divorced baal teshuvah woman and I have never felt so “on the outside looking in” than I do now as a single mom. I do have people in my corner because of the circumstances of the divorce but I am still struggling with feeling so out of place. Much more so than I did as a baal teshuvah. I know everyone’s situations are different (which is part of what I’m saying) but I don’t think the two can be at all compared

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    • is this a joke?
      March 12, 2022 – 9 Adar II 5782
      is this a joke?

      I’m hoping this is a rabble rouser’s idea of a joke and not remotely serious. If you are being serious, please seek help. compassion is free

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  24. To OP
    March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
    To OP

    OK we can solve this issue. My name is Nossy Drelich, and my number is 7069623222.
    Give me a call and we’ll see what solutions we can work out.

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  25. mInyan linyan
    March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
    mInyan linyan

    Please for the love of moshiach explain how one gender is financially less capable, if the other isn’t allowed to go to college & instead learns smicha/shlichus/kvutza/kollel aka zero master degrees,that is typical for their better half’s , who now magically are supposed to earn more 🤷‍♂️🤔🤷‍♂️🤔

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  26. Very true
    March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
    Very true

    As the child of divorced parents who still struggles with past experiences from my youth and present experiences of un-belonging, it’s very difficult to function in this community.

    It’s nice knowing that there are others out there going through the same things.

    We were trained to keep quiet because divorce is something “shameful,” but maybe it’s time we stop being silent.

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  27. Thank you for writing this
    March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
    Thank you for writing this

    Someone once told me to “suck it up” when it came to my own issues with divorce and my past. It was very hurtful.

    Do not listen to those people.

    Expressing your feelings is courageous and takes more strength than sucking it up.

    Many in this community lack basic empathy and understanding, but there are those few of us who relate and understand.

    You are not invisible to me.

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  28. So real
    March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
    So real

    People who come from whole, “normal” families with a father and a mother don’t even know how privileged they are.

    They have somewhere to go for Yom Tov, they have built-in support, they’re treated better in the community…

    The only person I can rely on at this point is myself.

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    • Really now ?
      March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
      Really now ?

      This is what you think that’s why it’s hard to bring you to our table . You think we have it made just because we are married . Yes we may be a mother and father but maybe that’s where it starts and ends !

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      • So just imagine
        March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
        So just imagine

        If you don’t have it made, how much more so for someone who doesn’t have your privilege.

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    • I sympathize with your pain and loneliness
      March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
      I sympathize with your pain and loneliness

      But people who have parents: are treated better in the community, for sure. But built in support and a table to go to, not really…. it appears that way but you’ll be very shocked. I’ve learned going through life – sometimes it’s really so not good that people would rather not have parents then have parents….( the people in the deep core of this community know what I’m referring to)

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      • Going "NC" is a terrible trend!
        March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
        Going "NC" is a terrible trend!

        For those of you that have been told by “”a well meaning”” friend/ therapist that you have an abusive parent. I have news for you. Maybe that “good friend / therapist” has an agenda.

        There are certain situations that do require creating boundaries. a good therapist/friend would support you in creating BOUNDARIES and not cutting off the person that gave you life.
        Stop living in Victimhood mentality and understand that parents are human beings and are not perfect just like you are not perfect.

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        • Yikes
          March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
          Yikes

          Clearly you have never been abused before.

          Just because my parent gave me life doesn’t mean they have a right to treat me like garbage.

          No one has that right.

          Cutting an abusive parent out of your life is the healthy, right thing to do. Anyone who tells you otherwise is not a real friend.

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          • No one has a right to abuse, let's end the cycle
            March 13, 2022 – 10 Adar II 5782
            No one has a right to abuse, let's end the cycle

            100% no one has the right to hurt another person. Not physically and not emotionally or any type of disrespect to another.

            If a parent abuses their child it is the most unnatural thing and is often caused by an illness, or that parent was abused and now repeating that same behavior.
            For those victims of abuse I feel your pain. It is not right and not acceptable. The issue is how does one heal and move on? Having family members that have gone through this, the best counselors are trauma informed and teach victims how to accept the past and put boundaries to keep them safe. The child can teach the parent what behavior is acceptable. Cutting off is not the only or necessarily the best solution in every situation. I think to break the cycle of abuse, learning these skills are essential that the victim does not repeat the pattern and G-d forbid.

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          • Replying...
            March 13, 2022 – 10 Adar II 5782
            Replying...

            “The child can teach the parent what behavior is acceptable….” it’s too late. Best path is Rather cut before it has a everlasting effect on the child and grandchildren G-d forbid. Be lucky that the children of abusive parents are not effected for life, that they can have the strength to turn the page, cut off, move on and not give it to their spouse or kids! Be very very lucky!

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          • Replying
            March 13, 2022 – 10 Adar II 5782
            Replying

            “The child can teach the parent what behavior is acceptable….” it’s too late. Best path is Rather cut before it has a everlasting effect on the child and grandchildren G-d forbid. Be lucky that the children of abusive parents are not effected for life, that they can have the strength to turn the page, cut off, move on and not give it to their spouse or kids! Be very very lucky!

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  29. In response from a former Crown Heights invisible
    March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
    In response from a former Crown Heights invisible

    BH

    Having grown up with divorced parents who struggled without outside help and having been abused by my own father both physically and psychologically and having not known where to turn or who I can trust, I can personally say I relate to this article 💯 because it can seriously scar a person’s actual brain functioning and what they believe about themselves after having been through such atrocities and yes I struggled for all of my childhood and adolescence and early adulthood thinking I did not deserve better because I never had an example of a healthy relationship in my home environment and so naturally I attracted a dysfunctional abusive husband who used me, neglected me and treated me like a doormat

    I watched my older sister repeat the same parent which did not help much either.

    I am incredibly thankful to the author ✍🏼 that had the courage to share this writing because I do not feel victimized by it at all. I feel empowered and validated to speak up for myself about how lonely and isolated I have felt and embarrassed at times to have to ask for help and yes I have experienced those judgmental glances the author writes about and that feeling of being invisible at the times I needed a caring invitation.

    It’s all very real and deeply painful to endure and then when I have had the courage to reach out for help only to experience the cold indifference of an unreturned phone call or text or a superficial response to a urgent need.

    If someone has not truly gone through this they have no right to judge the experience of a single parent whose life can be a living hell to bear without the loving help of caring friends and community.

    It’s important to realize that many of these Crown Heights women who are invisible have come here to escape worse family dynamics or may have had to flee for our safety from an abusive relationship and we have sought after a hope for a safe haven of community and connection. If we are made to feel like outsiders, imagine what that has done to our kids…

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    • Amazing comment
      March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
      Amazing comment

      Wish I knew you in real life, it’d be nice to meet someone with a similar background and the ability to empathize.

      Thank you so much for sharing!

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  30. Here to help
    March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
    Here to help

    If any divorced women in crown heights need free help with childcare or errands in the evening hours or on Sundays, please feel free to email:

    somethingkind101@gmail.com

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    • Beautiful!
      March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
      Beautiful!

      This is so kind.

      You should be blessed with alle Berachois.

      You are a true role model.

      We need more people like you👏

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  31. Not from NY
    March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
    Not from NY

    Thank you for describing the pain many divorced woman experience. Sometimes, the father isn’t in the picture at all.

    People are busy and everyone has their own stressors. However, It would be so nice to be invited out to a shabbos meal. Sometimes we are, but not often. I still don’t understand why.

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    • Eruv
      March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
      Eruv

      A lot of people are divorced with young children and in CH, due to the lack of an eruv (yes I know one physically exists), you’re stuck at home. They might want to invite you but what’s the point?

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  32. Such an important topic
    March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
    Such an important topic

    Are there any support groups for single mothers/children of divorce in this community?

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    • Support Group Needed
      March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
      Support Group Needed

      A support group would be helpful as well as awareness on empathy, kindness and respect towards the divorce single parent.

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      • I agree
        March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
        I agree

        How should we go about creating one?

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    • Sister to Sister
      March 12, 2022 – 9 Adar II 5782
      Sister to Sister

      is a religious organization for divorced women (with some special programs for single moms/kids). They have some free programs and some nice events. They can be a good sounding board as well

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  33. Please
    March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
    Please

    I know so many divorced women they have a much better life then the married wife!

    They only have their kids 50 percent of the time! Which married women get a break for 2 weeks a month? Where they can go party go on vacation ?

    Divorce women get child support from their husband and not have to work!

    Divorce women party and many things married women can not!

    Divorced women are always invited out for shabbos.

    And so much more

    Divorced is by choice! You married that person you divorce that person & you can remarry someone else!

    The only ones to feel bad for are the kids. Not the parents.

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    • Just horrible
      March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
      Just horrible

      This comment is painful to read.

      Please educate yourself, learn some empathy, practice kindness.

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    • Stop Judging!!!
      March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
      Stop Judging!!!

      It is apparent that the above letter writer does not speak from personal experience.

      To say it is better to be divorced or that divorce is a choice someone makes is far from reality.

      Some very good women desperately try and save their marriage but do not have a spouse that is equally committed (or emotionally stable).

      Think before you speak.
      May one never know of the pain of rejection, dejection, isolation or being shamed.

      Let us empathize and show compassion and kindness to divorcees and their children. It is not a contagious malady. Can we think of ways to help all in our community and give them respect and embrace them.
      Moshiach Now!

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    • Reality check
      March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
      Reality check

      I hope this comment is a Purim joke. Many husbands aren’t paying child support and we are worried each day how we will pay our daily expenses. We chose to marry this man who pretended to be a functional and kind human being but turned out to be an abusive Narcissist. Please educate yourself before posting hurtful and destructive comments

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    • This is laughable
      March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
      This is laughable

      I get 267 dollars a month child support for 2 kids. Does that mean I can quit my job?????

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    • You must be joking
      March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
      You must be joking

      How are you so utterly out of touch with reality???? The divorced women I know get zero child support (ex-husbands cleverly negotiated to be released from child support in exchange for agreeing to give the woman her gett, work off the books or don’t work or are in jail) and have their children 95%-100% of the time (due to ex-husbands having no interest in taking the kids). This creates a situation where the divorced moms have to fully support themselves and their children WHILE also being the sole caretakers of their children. Believe me, divorced women have no time, money, or energy for “partying” or “vacations”. And no, divorced women are certainly NOT “always invited out for shabbos”, particularly when they have children who are rowdy, misbehave or are disabled. They are barely scraping by emotionally and financially.

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    • To please
      March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
      To please

      Your comment is so hurtful I don’t even know where to start. How about zero child support for more than a handful of kids? How about fathers never visiting? Or abandoning their kids physically and emotionally? Divorce is by choice? Marry someone else? I’m going to my room to cry from your comments ughhh

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    • Horrible
      March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
      Horrible

      What nasty and horrible thing to say! First of all divorce isn’t always a choice! Sometimes u need do it to protect your children, your spouse can be abusive or obsessive and those are just 2 reasons there are many many more! We need to be sensitive to others, you have no idea what struggles they go threw! They may only have their kids 2 weeks a month but they are alone the other 2 weeks and on most cases they have off one day a week! Being a single parent is almost impossible, when children are younger and u can’t work Bec u can’t afford child care, not everyone gets child support. In fact most people don’t get child support! And no a lot of divorced couples can not get remarried Bec there abusive ex’s won’t give them a get! Please be careful when posting u have no idea what a person is going threw

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    • oh my goodness
      March 12, 2022 – 9 Adar II 5782
      oh my goodness

      I think this is the most laughably idiotic post I have ever read. Have you ever met a single mom/divorced woman? Because what you’re describing is just a weird fantasy. Also, only have your children part time means (best case scenario) missing them/missing special events with them and (at worst) being PETRIFIED that they will be emotionally/spiritually/physically harmed or neglected while they are out of your care. it means (in my case) having to ask permission of my abusive ex to change the visitation schedule slightly if I want to go on vacation/go away for shabbos with the kids. It means having someone who wants to make you suffer hold power of you and the people you love most in the world. It means having to speak kindly about someone you despise so your children will go to the visits. It means being the bigger person all the time while they create chaos and destroy routines/sanity.

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  34. Better
    March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
    Better

    I feel like this would have been better without the animosity towards divorced men and fathers, many of whom haven’t done anything wrong, and are in very much the same situation as the author, sometimes with additional challenges too.

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    • To better
      March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
      To better

      It’s very possible. The author is talking from her experience but men could be abused as well and need to get out of their marriages and deserve much support as well. It doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen to men, this is Her experience and her perspective

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  35. Reach out
    March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
    Reach out

    Any single family home… reach out to this amazing organization.
    My extended family.
    Mye

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  36. pain of divorce has wide reaching consequences
    March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
    pain of divorce has wide reaching consequences

    Kol ha kavod to the author for bringing this pain of suffering into the daylight for articulation. I have devoted the last ten years as a shalucha for the topic of shalom bayit and particularly for marriage education and especially for engaged and newly married couples to help mitigate against this incredible pain of divorce which reverberates into the homes, the schools, the work places – society in general with such far reaching consequences. May the author find nechama in her life and others who are in the same situation and may Hashem grant all in this situation menucha hanefesh and solace in all spheres of their lives.

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  37. Majority of the time it is the FATHER
    March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
    Majority of the time it is the FATHER

    That is “extremely unhealthy”Albeit there may be some exceptions.
    That is why you can find many women divorcees who are very marriageable and only a few good men.
    P S. B”H I am a happily married man with kids and unfortunately have witnessed and have first hand knowledge of quite a few divorces etc.

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  38. Fellow Single Mom
    March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
    Fellow Single Mom

    As a fellow single mom i hear this so much. Its so difficult shabbos and YT to be alone and yes i dont want people to think of me as a nebuch. While i hear the complaint about “what about the mend” or “some women cry but they are abusing their husbands” people are always willing to run a mile to help a single father and the roles are not equal there are many comments “oh wow look at that husband in the park/grocery store with his kids, hes such a good father” but when a mom does it thats life. Here are a few practical solutions one can do to help:

    • Put money on a grocery account for them
    • invite them for meals
    • give them mishloach manot (I dont think i got a single one last year)
    • On a quiet evening at your house tell her youre coming over and this will save her from being alone or having to pay for a babysitter.
    • Offer to have her kids for a bit on a sunday or shabbos afternoon even if its for an hour so she can have a break
    • if you have a car and she doesnt offer to take her to the store with you
    • small inexpensive gifts (manicure etc)
    • just a simple text: “hey how are you doing?”
    • if you are at the grocery store in the evening when its hard for a single mom to leave text her and offer to grab something for her if she needs
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  39. There are fathers too
    March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
    There are fathers too

    Even more so are the fathers who suffer
    Divorce is not one way
    And if there is any sympathy or support it always goes to the women
    Very rarely do people support the father and if there is anyone that this article should be about it is those fathers who are left with nothing because some narcissistic woman got everyones sympathy and now he is left with no family and nothing and no one cares
    So yes I feel bad for the woman but there is ZERO support or AWARENESS for the men and that is something that needs to be spoke about more. Not every man is a villain and not every woman is an angel

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    • How do you know who's the real narcissist
      March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
      How do you know who's the real narcissist

      There are covert narcissist men too who aside from abusing their kids, know how to make people feel bad for them and call their ex wife a narcissist and liar.

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    • Nice about u
      March 12, 2022 – 9 Adar II 5782
      Nice about u

      Write your own article . This one isn’t about the men .. who statistically are unfortunately mostly at fault.

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  40. He who sees
    March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
    He who sees

    Maybe you could start a support group for such people
    You could make programs retreats maybe some shiduchim
    Maybe some classes and special tools how to go about life
    Some people have this struggle other people have other struggles
    At the end of the day every minority feels alone
    However if you make it out alright you will be a hero
    Maybe that’s why you were created

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    • 1Oz of Prevention is worth more than 1Lb of cure
      March 13, 2022 – 10 Adar II 5782
      1Oz of Prevention is worth more than 1Lb of cure

      Support groups need to be made, for sure

      But an ounce of prevention is worth more than a pound of cure.

      Make the support groups, for those who are still holding on, in a difficult marriage, to support them, and prevent the devastation, caused by divorce.

      This article serves as a description of how miserable you will be, if you choose to get a divorce, and should serve as a Chizuk for people, to stick it out, make the effort, to cure their marriage the hard way, with therapy, rather than by taking the easy way out,
      by abandoning ship, and leaving your children, messed up for life, as living orphans.

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  41. Orphans
    March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
    Orphans

    It’s amazing how she says that they don’t get attention like the orphans do in ch.
    as a whole ch doesn’t care about us orphans.
    So many times I was just another person that had tk go to avos ubanim and asked where my father was. This article is basically saying that you want tk be a sob story and trying to get attention as a victim. I learnt at a young age that no one really cares about you and it’s only in your hands to make of something.

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    • I learned that too
      March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
      I learned that too

      But wouldn’t it be great if the children of today didn’t have to learn such a terrible lesson?

      What if people like us, we who were ignored and invisible, helped the next generation feel loved and seen?

      The writer of this article is not a sob story or an attention seeker. She’s bringing awareness to a very real issue, and it’s our job to listen and make a change.

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    • Orphans
      March 13, 2022 – 10 Adar II 5782
      Orphans

      I hope crown heights starts caring more about it’s orphans

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  42. My extended family- greatest gem out there
    March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
    My extended family- greatest gem out there

    I highly encourage you to be a part of my extended family! They do incredible things to make single family feel that they belong! They have a branch in ch. If anyone is looking to give tzedakah this is where your money should go!

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    • MEF
      March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
      MEF

      My extended family is till a certain age

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      • Teen program in the making
        March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
        Teen program in the making

        As far as i know they are starting a teen program as well!

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  43. All about attitudes
    March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
    All about attitudes

    Ps This one feels rejected this one feels rejected and that one. Time to hang around the right people who are true friends and stop running to make friends with the famous ones etc….. learn the value that you are.

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  44. Waiting for a divorce
    March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
    Waiting for a divorce

    I’m waiting and hoping for a divorce, what about all the men who are withholding the get and they live in peace and no one bothers them and they get away with it, is that fair? Something has to be done there as well.

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  45. ❤❤❤
    March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
    ❤❤❤

    So beautifully written.
    Please ignore the ignorant, hateful comments and know that the silent majority has taken your words to heart. May Hashem bless you!!

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  46. Waiting for a divorce
    March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
    Waiting for a divorce

    I feel your pain
    Definitely!! Something has to be done
    It’s avla to withhold a get once the marriage is basically over
    People need to be held accountable for withholding gittin. No sympathy there

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  47. And divorced MEN?!
    March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
    And divorced MEN?!

    Divorce is equally hard on divorced men as it is on divorced women. The effect of divorce is the issue, the gender is not the issue, Lest we forget.

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    • and another one
      March 12, 2022 – 9 Adar II 5782
      and another one

      the need of people to make these idiotic comments rather than just bringing up their own issues in their own times just highlights how much single moms and divorced are silenced. Also, before you post things that a patently untrue, please look up the PLETHORA of statics and information about single mother having a harder time than single dads or divorced men. Bye bye now

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      • To be honest.
        March 22, 2022 – 19 Adar II 5782
        To be honest.

        The divorce crisis is really harder on the children if you ask me. I think every single person here commenting about how it’s so hard for the mother or it’s so hard for the father…. this one’s a narcissist that one’s a narcissist are really the problem in this whole situation. How about we stop looking for people to blame looking to statistics and trying to prove who has it worse when in reality the only real people that have it the worst when a parents get divorced is the children who are impacted by being forced to be separated by both their parents and having to choose sides when it’s really not fair to put a child in that sort of situation.

        Now, the reason I’m specifically answering your comment is because you seem to be so adamant on the fact that women are the ones that are most highly impacted and you seem to be looking to the science and the facts for this…

        While my facts may be anecdotal I happen to come from a family of divorced parents and a lot of people in my family have ended up divorced and pretty much every single time people got divorced in my family actually had to do more with the women than it did with the men. maybe that’s just my lived experience but to just sit here and dismiss the fact that men are also being affected is ridiculous.

        I think everyone that is in the situation children and parents alike are all affected equally.

        While yes I do agree that there are preconceived notions that women are supposed to be with children and caring for children which makes it a lot harder for people to identify when a woman is divorced and may need help…

        I think it would also be really helpful if we as women stopped expecting everyone to read our minds and know our needs and actually started articulating them so the world can begin to help us with our needs. I think one of the biggest issues is that a lot of people are so afraid of people at looking at them as nebach because it’s shameful that they’d rather sit alone and suffer then just putting their ego aside and asking for help when they need it who cares what people see you as realistically speaking if you need help don’t be afraid to ask and if you are you can’t blame anyone but yourself.

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  48. Yitzchak
    March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
    Yitzchak

    No one should ever look down at, nor judge anyone unfavorably, just because they are divorced or just because they are a child from divorced parents.

    But not being judgemental, works both ways.

    Those who are divorced, or if they are children from divorced patents, they should also not be judgmental of others, who look at them in a certain way.

    Fact remains, that most of the time (with very few exceptions), both parents are usually very much at fault, in almost every divorce case, both parents needed much therapy, before they got divorced, and if they both availed themselves, to the needed therapy, neither would want to get divorced and both parents would remain happily married.

    Yes, there are exceptions, but it’s very rare.

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    • Please
      March 11, 2022 – 8 Adar II 5782
      Please

      If someone’s husband is abusing and threatening them please explain how she’s at fault? I wait patiently for your response

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      • Yitzchak
        March 13, 2022 – 10 Adar II 5782
        Yitzchak

        Divorced people, almost always like to
        “play the abuse card”,
        blame each other,
        but never themselves!

        When is the last time, you ever spoke to anyone who is divorced, who ever, blamed, themselves?????

        Never!!!!!!!

        If true, that only 1 party in a marriage, is ever at fault, then how come you can’t show me even 1 in a million, of any divorce case, where anyone ever admidts that they were the one at fault????

        Everyone agrees that at least one party is at fault, inly each one argues that they are right and inly the other is wrong.

        I agree with both parties in the dispute. Each one says that the other is at fault. And I say that both speak the truth.

        A Cohen us permitted to marry a widow, but not a divorce. There is good reason, for this difference.

        The Torah doesn’t say that “it depends” on who was right and who was wrong in the divorce.

        Think about that!

        Divorce causes by abuse, does happen, but that is a very rare exception to the rule.

        99 percent of divorce, is not because of any abuse, but because of the failure of both sides to compromise and because the failure of both sides to be willing to change themselves, and being committed to long term therapy.

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        • Please seek out help
          March 14, 2022 – 11 Adar II 5782
          Please seek out help

          Your response is full of incorrect statistics/statements and out right lies. I’m not sure why survivors of abuse or women suffering post-divorce speaking out is triggering such an angry/false response from you. You have a golden opportunity to listen rather than try to yell over everyone and ignore their experiences. If you are unable to entertain that others may have experiences and feelings different than yours, please seek help. Good luck to you

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      • Partial answer
        March 13, 2022 – 10 Adar II 5782
        Partial answer

        The word “abuse” gets thrown around way too easily these days

        When someone tells you they are being “abused”, ask what they mean in detail, and then try to find out from them the fuller story of what might be behind these behaviors that are being dismissed as “abusive”

        I can tell you (from experience, unfortunately) that you should not go by surface-level descriptions

        When police arrests criminals, they are not labeled ae abusive. They are working on stopping bad things from taking place. Inside the home, there is no “police” force, and it’s very easy to dismiss things as abusive.

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        • Yikes! This is literally the worst advice
          March 14, 2022 – 11 Adar II 5782
          Yikes! This is literally the worst advice

          When someone tells you they are being abused you don’t question/interrogate them to see if you agree. There are many forms I’d abuse, all of which cause immense physical, emotional, psychological damage on a person. If you “know from experience” because someone told you that you were being abusive, learn from it instead of being defensive. Best of luck on your self growth.

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    • Clueless
      March 12, 2022 – 9 Adar II 5782
      Clueless

      You seriously have no clue what you’re talking about. May you never understand

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    • really?
      March 12, 2022 – 9 Adar II 5782
      really?

      your idiotic post merits nothing more than 1) an eyeroll, 2) a deep sigh of pity, 3) a caution that those who lie create a place for themselves that they don’t want to go after 120.

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  49. A Bubby
    March 12, 2022 – 9 Adar II 5782
    A Bubby

    Of course single mom’s face hardships. Life is full of all sorts of hardships for all kinds of people. What does Tanya teach us all about facing hardships in life? It gives us all the spiritual tools we need to not see ourselves as victims, to not be wallowing in bitterness, jealousy, or depression, no matter what our life situation. It teaches us to accept all our difficulties and pain with joy, to focus on our havodah hanisayonot as a means to increase our awareness of Hashem in our lives and, to come closer to Him. We cannot change other peoples’ behaviour or attitudes no matter how much finger wagging we do towards the community, but we can change our reaction to other people. We can work on not feeling so hurt by every perceived slight, on developing a thicker skin, and being less dependent on others’ physical help and approval. One can try not to be overly concerned with what people may think of us. You are only a nebach if you see yourself that way. One has a choice: a person can feel defeated and cheated in life, no matter what their situation, or a person can feel emboldened to grow personally and face life’s challenges with bitachon, to have an attitude of gratitude, and to do whatever one can to improve their life situation. Victimhood, bitterness towards those one perceives as not being helpful enough, jealousy, feeling as if one is an unfortunate individual who got a bum deal in life, shows a profound lack of emunah, will negatively affect one’s ability to parent in a healthy way, and is not winning formula for raising psychologically children with yiras shamayim.

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    • A bubby
      March 13, 2022 – 10 Adar II 5782
      A bubby

      Doesn’t sound like the author is or feels like a ‘nebach’ or a victim, she’s actually strong in her Bitochon in Hashem and empowered in life’s lessons. Read it again

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      • no it's not
        March 20, 2022 – 17 Adar II 5782
        no it's not

        The author may be wrong or right about some statements, but this is not an example of Bitachon in Hashem. I’d imagine that even the author would have to admit as much.

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  50. Empty nesters
    March 13, 2022 – 10 Adar II 5782
    Empty nesters

    Please dont forget about us empty nesters/gray divorcees. My not soon enough to be ex is a lawyer who was able to move up in his career because he never had to lift a finger to help with the kids of house. He controlled all the finances. His lawyer is a psycho who deprives me of my rights to counsel. Twice shes lost me a lawyer by calling them up and spreading lies about me and threatening them if they represent me. Its truly disgusting yet i carry in and hope and pray.

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    • Empty nesters
      March 13, 2022 – 10 Adar II 5782
      Empty nesters

      Hashem Yaazor
      Emes always end up showing up
      Trust Hashem

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  51. This article is spot on 1000% correct
    March 13, 2022 – 10 Adar II 5782
    This article is spot on 1000% correct

    As correct as if the gender/status was switched

    No 2 sufferings are similar & every pain is unique and deserving of its own thousand word essay

    The divorced/we
    the widowed/er
    The singles
    Abused
    Alienated

    Everyone has their unique experience and unique suffering and this article highlighted 1 and we have to alleviate this just as much as the others vs only this

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  52. potential job offer
    March 13, 2022 – 10 Adar II 5782
    potential job offer

    if it is at least a small job on the side. reach out to Yakov Schacht on Linkdin.

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  53. SO SORRY for your pain!
    March 13, 2022 – 10 Adar II 5782
    SO SORRY for your pain!

    I’m sending you a virtual hug 🤗 May Hashem bless you & your family to be a complete family again very soon. Please share your simcha when it happens that we can congratulate you!Purim Sameach

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    • Good intentions, but...
      March 14, 2022 – 11 Adar II 5782
      Good intentions, but...

      the solution is not getting remarried. A husband does not fix anything. A complete family does not require two parents.

      Hashem should instead bless this community to be more accepting, hold more space for families of all shapes and sizes, and learn to value women as they are, even without a man by their side.

      Purim sameach.

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  54. Easy Divorce
    March 14, 2022 – 11 Adar II 5782
    Easy Divorce

    Another advantage of these articles is to reveal the difficulties involved after a divorce which will perhaps reduce the number of divorces. While plenty of divorces are justified, our society has projected divorce as an easier solution than actually working out relationship problems.

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  55. Embarrassed Bubby
    March 15, 2022 – 12 Adar II 5782
    Embarrassed Bubby

    I was forced to accept a get (Daas Torah) after 40 years of marriage (32 ‘good’ years) because, my husband got a disease of old age, ‘flipped’, and blamed me, lashed out. (I see a lot of old(er) husbands’ secretly being mean to their wives, even when they don’t divorce/abandon them.) I am ashamed of myself for envying widows/friends my age who are ‘loved on’ and respected by ‘society’, while I’m an anomoly, embarrassed to visit my grandkids alone. My widowed friends are suffering, feel abandoned, bereft, and grief. They deserve all the solace and support they are given. But they have a special nod from Hashem, ‘respectability’ and status in the community that I miss. As an unwilling divorcee in old age I’m still emotionally enmeshed with an angry Zaidy who shares dozens of aineklach with me. I am horrified and ashamed that I envy widows.

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    • You can envy widows but...
      March 20, 2022 – 17 Adar II 5782
      You can envy widows but...

      You at least had 32 ‘good’ years…. my mother had only 21 months (now a widow) and me 10 months (an orphan). It always looks greener on the other side but instead of envying other persons situation try to make a habit to count your blessings that Hashem has given you and will continue to give you till 120 years…

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  56. What gives anyone the right to minimalize
    March 17, 2022 – 14 Adar II 5782
    What gives anyone the right to minimalize

    What gives anyone the right to minimalize, judge, or invalidate another’s experience? Each individual’s pain is just that….the individual’s. To compare their experience to an unrelated one indicates ignorance.

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  57. This was me many years ago
    March 18, 2022 – 15 Adar II 5782
    This was me many years ago

    If only an article like this could have been written many years ago when I was in that situation. Oh, how I knew how it was. Feeling shut out of so many things. Being offered a 65-year-old man when I was in my 30s. People asking me if they could adopt my kids so they could be raised in a two-parent home. Living in an apartment where if I asked the landlord to fix something, he would threaten to throw me and my kids out in the street. Feeling like a beggar when it came to tuition or camp fees. Oh, how I knew how it was. I want to hope it will be better for all the divorced women out there today. Offering you my blessings and hopes and prayers for only revealed good.

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    • This was me
      March 21, 2022 – 18 Adar II 5782
      This was me

      💔 hope it brought you some comfort even to read it now

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  58. To family is divorced all over
    March 21, 2022 – 18 Adar II 5782
    To family is divorced all over

    Hearing you 💗💔

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