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We Are Becoming Increasingly Polarized Over Vaccines

Article by Rabbi Raphael Aron: "Ironically, until now Covid prevented families from being together. Now, tragically, it is the vaccine that is preventing family and friends from having the contact they desire as the community is becoming increasingly polarized over the issue." Full Story

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Great point but biased way getting to it
December 14, 2021 8:33 pm

Your point is great! We do need achdus but honestly you could have done a better and now effective job by not bringing an opinion on whether to vaccinate or not. You almost lost me as soon as you wrote “There are other stories devoid of any medical evidence linking the vaccine to fertility problems, miscarriages and related issues” spend some time listening to those who have been hurt by the vaccine before calling them a “fringe religious organization and a cult” To those who are really hurt but will not get acknowledged (because science doesn’t agree that having a… Read more »

Closing line explains it all!
Reply to  Great point but biased way getting to it
December 14, 2021 10:48 pm

Well done

Mandates are not about health
Reply to  Closing line explains it all!
December 15, 2021 12:20 pm

If the mandates had anything to do with health, people with antibodies would be exempt.

The proof that this is not about health is that entire groups are exempt from the vax:
Everyone who works for the post office
All members of Congress
All members of a religious group called X-Scientists

Exactly my thinking
Reply to  Great point but biased way getting to it
December 14, 2021 10:56 pm

When I saw the title, i thought the article wouldn’t address the efficacy of the vaccine. Boy was I wrong. This article will accomplish nothing that it set out to

It's not about health
Reply to  Great point but biased way getting to it
December 15, 2021 12:45 pm

If the mandates had anything to do with health, people with antibodies would be exempt.
Why are all post office employees exempt?
Why are all members of Congress
exempt?
Why are certain Gentile religious groups exempt?

Dear Rabbi,
December 14, 2021 8:37 pm

Vaccinate if you’d like, but please
don’t try to push your ideas on others

There are very real issues with the vaccine
And many people with the vaccine around the world got covid anyways

Be well and don’t preach about this

Well…
December 14, 2021 8:38 pm

Well done polarizing the community while writing about the polarizing issue.

Proof
Reply to  Well…
December 15, 2021 12:15 pm

The proof that this is not about health is that entire groups are exempt from the vac:
Everyone who works for the post office
All members of Congress
All members of a religious group called X-Scientists

If the mandates had anything to do with health, people with antibodies would be exempt.

Just answer this:
December 14, 2021 8:41 pm

So I should get vaccinated if I already had covid??? When the answers stop making sense everything starts getting questioned.

To Just answer this
Reply to  Just answer this:
December 15, 2021 4:30 pm

The answer is yes. It’s well know to the educated. I will not debate with you on each and every point. It’s ridiculous. The efficacy from having had Covid does not last. Plain and simple. This is not a gemara shiur. Get real people.

Lost cause?
December 14, 2021 8:41 pm

Judging by the ratio of upvotes to down it’s on ColLive articles on this subject, it seems like the percentage of our community that have started following conspiracy theories due to covid is not negligible.

Yup
Reply to  Lost cause?
December 14, 2021 9:40 pm

It’s horrifying. The frum world has become synonymous with uneducated.

Just the opposite
Reply to  Yup
December 14, 2021 10:04 pm

The vax hesitant know and think critically a lot more than the sheep letting themselves get stabbed.

Sure
Reply to  Just the opposite
December 15, 2021 6:36 am

Have fun being “critical thinkers” once you’re dead from the virus.

Political
Reply to  Just the opposite
December 15, 2021 11:22 am

Your political rhetoric of “sheep” saddens me. When there is an issue of health we should FOLLOW WHAT THE REBBE SAID & look to the advice of doctors. Not follow what politicians (many of whom are they themselves vaccinated) who want to stir up conspiracy. Enough is enough. People are at risk & dying. Stop putting yourself and others at risk. Stop embarrassing the Rebbe and the name of Lubavitch. It is beyond damaging.

Rebbe's Opinion
Reply to  Political
December 15, 2021 12:28 pm

The Rebbe had a letter in which he advised the yid not to take an unproven experimental substance that has not been studied for at least ten years. Maybe YOU should educate yourself on “WHAT THE REBBE SAID” SMH

Totally false
Reply to  Rebbe's Opinion
December 16, 2021 4:53 pm

The Rebbe’s letter on vaccines implies the opposite.

The letter says ” since the vaccine is successful for months proven to be safe.” (Paraphrasing).

There is no indication that a vaccine needs 10+ years of success. Only some months.

Where RNA Vaccination
Reply to  Rebbe's Opinion
December 19, 2021 8:13 pm

The RNA vaccination development has been happening for 20+ years now.

Really
Reply to  Just the opposite
December 15, 2021 11:27 am

I resent your thinking that you are the smart one and the rest of us are sheep
Do you know you are calling our Rav an animal ? He who laughs last laughs best and stays healthyv

...
Reply to  Just the opposite
December 15, 2021 5:46 pm

‘Vax hesitant’ is different than being ‘uneducated’ or ‘anti-vax’

Totally!
Reply to  Yup
December 14, 2021 10:28 pm

Just in this case, it’s the Rabbis that are proudly proclaiming their lack of education

Don't go by upvotes
Reply to  Lost cause?
December 14, 2021 10:40 pm

Making an analysis on the basis of anonymous votes on a website is just as anti scientific as the conspiracy theories that anti vaxxers promote

Bad point
Reply to  Don't go by upvotes
December 14, 2021 10:54 pm

The dude wrote “judging by the upvotes.” He doesn’t address whether that’s a valid mode of judgment

Thehighwire.com
Reply to  Don't go by upvotes
December 14, 2021 11:06 pm

In one article, you are labeling millions of Americans and fellow shluchim as conspiracy theorists.
And bemoaning the lack of unity…!
Amazing.
Do some of your own investigation. Then decide. Don’t be so narrow minded as to label half of Americans so negatively!

It's all about vinishmartem
Reply to  Lost cause?
December 14, 2021 11:26 pm

The conspiracy theories don’t drive the crowd as much as we care for our survival and good health.
It’s you (in this moment of making such a statement) whose bought into the conspiracy theories against other ppl.
We must unite and heal from a healthy place. Such a place doesn’t coerce others…
Think Rabbi Akivah and his 2400 students..

Lost Cause
Reply to  Lost cause?
December 15, 2021 4:31 pm

Sad and true……

Australia is diffrent
December 14, 2021 8:43 pm

Australia is not a free country. They are locking people up in covid camps. I’m not surprised that people there are against it. Who wants to be locked up for not getting a shot ? you are saying comply so it will end but its because people are complying that it is still going. Who wants to take a innefective vaccine when you need to take seven boosters for ten new varients that keep coming out?

There’s got to be another way.

Australian
Reply to  Australia is diffrent
December 15, 2021 2:06 am

No one in Australia is getting locked up for not getting the vaccine. Australia also is divided into seven states and each state has it’s own pandemic laws. Some of them were and are very restrictive, in others life is was or is almost completely back to normal.

Stop
Reply to  Australia is diffrent
December 15, 2021 11:26 am

Please stop regurgitating scare tactic information. This is not accurate and it further harms people. Please remember that lies that put others at risk transgress MANY mitzvahs. Please please stop.

propaganda videos
Reply to  Australia is diffrent
December 16, 2021 8:56 am

The neo nazis being beaten by police were NOT anti vax demonstrators, as widely circulated.

There are NO covid camps. There was some quarantine facilities built at the height of the pandemic which are defunct, and it had nothing to do if you were vaccinated or not. This was a cut and paste video.

Yes there were extended lockdowns in some cities and borders were closed because they wanted to keep infection rates low before the vaccine came out. They saved many lives.

ch resident
December 14, 2021 8:52 pm

I personally am not for or against the corona vaccine. I feel very strongly that if you have a reason to take it then you definitely should take the vaccine. Here in America the vaccine is a big joke. Threatening a person to take the vaccine or lose your job is absolutely ludicrous. A person has a choice if he/she wants to take it. The last I heard is that the vaccine was approved for emergency use only. Since when is mandating the vaccine an emergency use? The American government has lost there minds. The mandates that they are imposing… Read more »

“Vaccine approved for emergency only”
Reply to  ch resident
December 15, 2021 9:52 pm

Millions of people getting put on vents, having to deal with long covid, and unfortunately also passing away, sounds like an emergency to me. The Chabad community lost some very near and dear people to this illness.. when are we going to start taking this risk seriously? This is pekuach nefesh.. and at the very least ahavos yisroel for our brothers and sisters who are at even greater risk.

Correction
Reply to  “Vaccine approved for emergency only”
December 16, 2021 8:14 am

It _was_ pikuach nefesh for a while. It isn’t now. Compare and contrast the spring of 2020 with now.

Your position is about the same as someone saying that it’s dangerous to visit Spain, because of the Inquisition.

Responding
December 14, 2021 9:10 pm

Ask your doctor. Unfortunately today doctors are not really your freind. They are there for the money, not for your health. Sometimes being your own doctor is even better then your doctor because only you know your body. Second point: this vaccine people are against it because it’s not a real vaccine. The real vaccines were 30 years ago, when babies were vaccinated in the hospital, got one shot for each sickness which lasted for life. NOT: EVEN AFTER 3 SHOTS YOU NEED A BOOSTER! Good grief! In addition: medical experts dont believe in natural healing. There is something called… Read more »

A booster?!
Reply to  Responding
December 15, 2021 6:38 am

How dare they!

Am I supposed to believe that booster shots are normal?! Just like the flu shot we take every winter?! …Wait.

Think
Reply to  A booster?!
December 15, 2021 11:53 am

Are you forced to take those annual flu shots, on pain of losing your job or being forbidden to travel?

Are there multiple ones in one season?

You have to take the risk level into account
Reply to  Think
December 15, 2021 9:56 pm

The flu is not as deadly as covid- fortunately the majority people make a full recovery. If it were as dangerous, I’m sure it would be mandated as well.

Fine
Reply to  You have to take the risk level into account
December 16, 2021 8:15 am

Regular flu has a fatality rate of 0.1%; COVID, 0.6%. Still far too small to justify draconian measures.

.1 vs .6?
Reply to  Fine
December 16, 2021 11:52 am

COVID has a morbidity rate of .6 IF you’re including those people who happened to “test positive” with the wildly inaccurate tests, and ignoring their other commorbidities. It’s like deblasios crime rate statistics…

We are following a doctor's advice.
December 14, 2021 9:14 pm

Dr. Zelenko

Hmmmm
Reply to  We are following a doctor's advice.
December 14, 2021 10:04 pm

“Dr”

Ha!
Reply to  We are following a doctor's advice.
December 14, 2021 10:04 pm

Sorry, my dinner just came out of my nose!

Thehighwire.com
Reply to  Ha!
December 14, 2021 11:09 pm

The INVENTOR of this vaccine, Dr. Robert Malone is actively involved in urging people not to take it en masse!!
So is Dr. Geert Vanden Bosch, who was the vice president of Pfizer. These are not clowns! Look it up.

Clown Biden is our President
Reply to  Ha!
December 19, 2021 7:22 pm

It just so happened Biden declared that the entire world will be cured of COVID once everyone has taken the Jabs. How many times will it take. As far as the Sports world is concerned three national sports leagues are almost completely vaccinated. Football, Basketball, and the Hockey leagues. That hasn’t stopped them from having out of control numbers of COVID cases which they can’t stop. Mr. Clown in the White House doesn’t know what he’s saying. It’s just about power and control over the American people. This has absolutely nothing to do with the health of all of us.… Read more »

Just the opposite
Reply to  We are following a doctor's advice.
December 14, 2021 10:06 pm

many more than just Dr Zelenko are correctly warning against the mrna for younger people. There are actually hundreds even thousands of health care professionals warning against a poorly tested vackx

Dr. Malone
Reply to  Just the opposite
December 14, 2021 10:49 pm

Yes like the inventor of the mRNA technology said don’t give it to kids!!!

Great.
Reply to  Just the opposite
December 15, 2021 6:39 am

Blood is on his hands too.

and many others
Reply to  We are following a doctor's advice.
December 14, 2021 10:21 pm

in the filed that warn about the danger.

besides, now its all about passports etc.. not about health anymore

Come on
Reply to  We are following a doctor's advice.
December 14, 2021 10:42 pm

If c’v there’s a medical emergency, you’re going to call Hatzolah to get a real doctor, not zelenko or the other ones you found on YouTube

Exactly
Reply to  Come on
December 15, 2021 6:40 am

All these anti vaccine crazies preaching their insanity, and then they wake up with covid one day and are rushed to hospitals to beg for the vaccine.

Honesty is the best policy
Reply to  Exactly
December 19, 2021 8:31 am

With all due respect, it’s not ahavas yisroel to call anyone crazies. With the world in such a crazy state ahavas yisrowl is crucially important. There is a big difference between anti vaxxers and and those that are anti covid vax. I had covid and got nowhere with my local Dr. I got desperate and got a telehealth appointment with Dr Zelenko. He saved my life. Then when it came time to get the vaccine I had heard rumors of negative side effects from the vaccine but I got it anyway. Now I’m suffering from all my covid symptoms shortness… Read more »

Honestly
Reply to  Come on
December 15, 2021 10:10 pm

I want in on the whatsapp group chat of millions of doctors worldwide all collectively scheming together and risking their medical license and ethos pact and life in federal prison (wait maybe the feds are in on it too!) to inject us with microwave pieces for fun. And I guess they have a translator so everyone across the globe can be on the same page about lying to us all. Rumor has it they even have facetime pajama parties! Don’t worry no one has broken the story yet… but hopefully soon we’ll get some screenshots. p.s. not a conspiracy theorist… Read more »

You think you’re funny
Reply to  Honestly
December 16, 2021 8:22 am

You don’t need a conspiracy like you’re describing. Really, all you need is one prominent doctor – Fauci, in this case – forcing some into line. Doctors are human too, and few are going to dare go against the “consensus,” even if they know it’s based on hooey, and risk their lives or parnassah.

And if you don’t believe that such things are possible, look up Trofim Lysenko and his career.

He should lose his license
Reply to  We are following a doctor's advice.
December 15, 2021 11:27 am

“Dr.” Zelenko has a lot of Jewish blood on his hands. I pray he does Teshuvah

"Dr" Fauci
Reply to  He should lose his license
December 15, 2021 12:36 pm

You should do teshuva for all your loshon hara

I think you mean motzei shem ra
Reply to  "Dr" Fauci
December 19, 2021 11:39 pm

technically, loshon hara is true, which this is not.
Don’t you mean therefore motzei shem ra, which is false

"Dr" Zelenko
Reply to  We are following a doctor's advice.
December 16, 2021 5:02 pm

The same “Dr” Zelenko who made the insane “prediction” that “90% of the ppl who take the vaccine will die within 2 years”.

The guy has lost his mind.

He believes the insane conspiracy theory that there is a plan to “depopulate ” 90% of humanity.

I mean. C’mon. Seriously.

And ppl still respect this man?

Disguise
December 14, 2021 9:18 pm

This is not an article about division. This is an article about getting the vaccine. Like this whole COVID story it is all about disguise,. Dr. Aaron is from Australia where the group think is so bad that if you are walking outside alone during lockdown “you are killing people”. Australia now has COVID camps that have security and you can get fined $5000 for crossing the wrong line, all the name of “public health” Yes, for now, let’s see what the next steps bring. He quotes Konrad Lorenz as if this is some proof. How about the basic tenant… Read more »

Like Reb Meilach Zwibel Z"l used to say....
Reply to  Disguise
December 14, 2021 11:24 pm

Zugst goot, zug vayter….

All I'm hearing
December 14, 2021 9:19 pm

All I’m hearing here is “get vaccinated get vaccinated”. I think your point would’ve been stronger had you remained impartial.
Sick of people with their agendas.

agreed
Reply to  All I'm hearing
December 14, 2021 10:31 pm

Agreed.

Lord help us
Reply to  All I'm hearing
December 15, 2021 6:41 am

Getting the vaccine is not an agenda, it’s a way to save lives.

Being impartial to saving a life isn’t an option. The writer of this article understands that, do you?

Really?
Reply to  Lord help us
December 15, 2021 12:38 pm

Where is the proof it is “saving lives”? Hospitals are filled with covid patients who are fully vaxxed.

This is patently false.
Reply to  Really?
December 15, 2021 3:23 pm

In fact, across the world, icu covid patients population is over 90% not vaccinated!

to "Patently false"
Reply to  This is patently false.
February 7, 2022 9:09 pm

Actually, they’re “unvaccinated” because the definition of “vaccinated” is more than two weeks post second dose, and with the boosters, the goal posts are moving yet again.

Also hospitals aren’t asking status.

It’s how to lie with statistics. Handy when you want to scare people into jabbing themselves needlessly.

Spewing rhetoric
December 14, 2021 9:21 pm

Wahoo you are splitting the social scene with the lies written in this article and pushing your beliefs on others. Most people I know are open to discussion debate and learning the actual science of what and how this shot operates and what are the benefits and risks. Yes there are a few ppl who are quacks on either side but seeing things as you do, I wonder if you belong to one of those extremes because most people are not anything close to your distorted description.
Wishing you success in your journey of self growth!

Hmmm
Reply to  Spewing rhetoric
December 14, 2021 9:38 pm

Nah most people are not open to debate at all. I find the extremists are overly extreme. Those who had covid or children who we’ve seen aren’t too affected don’t need vaccine. However. The others should protect themselves . yes there r treatments .somehow.unfortunately it attacks the lungs too soon. Hashem yerachem

Your feeling sum it up
Reply to  Hmmm
December 14, 2021 11:18 pm

Basically you are not open to hear out another side so you say that there are no open conversations and debates happening, well if you had opened your eyes you’d see them all around. But the catch is that you got to be open yourself….

Debate?
Reply to  Your feeling sum it up
December 15, 2021 6:43 am

You can’t debate science and facts.

They are what they are.

anonymous
Reply to  Hmmm
December 15, 2021 10:06 am

My husband lost his job after refusing to get the shot. HE HAD COVID! They don’t care

Hmm
Reply to  anonymous
December 15, 2021 8:18 pm

Exactly .most people aren’t into debating on both sides. No need to be extreme. If he had covid no one wants to listen tht he diesnt need vaccine. And those who are anti aren’t accepting anything either. They believe everything they read as long as it’s anti vax material and are not open to hear about my three friends in last 2 months got very very sick where one actually ddnt survive

when politics dictates "public health"
Reply to  anonymous
December 19, 2021 11:44 pm

I hope your husband gathers with like others and files a lawsuit. I’m glad he didn’t quit. Maybe it could be argued that was wrongful termination and medical discrimination.

We are following a doctor's advice.
December 14, 2021 9:22 pm

Dr Zelenko

Sure
Reply to  We are following a doctor's advice.
December 14, 2021 9:39 pm

U can follow and do what u feel .the problem is encouraging others to follow ur opinion

Yikes
Reply to  We are following a doctor's advice.
December 15, 2021 6:43 am

That man is off his rocker. Find another doctor.

Responsibility
December 14, 2021 9:32 pm

I wonder if anyone realizes their responsibility when they encourage or discourage vaccination. I’m not refering to Drs. I’m refering to my friends who read alot and believe everything they read and they just feel they know it all. I don’t need statistics. I can make my own statistics from all my acquaintances. Unfortunately in the past half year I’ve seen horrible consequences/death from covid to the unvaccinated and a couple of deaths where maybe maybe might be linked to vaccine. Very disturbing to read the nshei newsletter pointing out 10 reasons( where some could and most likely totally false.… Read more »

Quacks
Reply to  Responsibility
December 14, 2021 9:39 pm

nshei newsletter should be your very last source for reliable medical info… they were against shots and medicine and pro home birth well before covid

kudos to nshei
Reply to  Quacks
December 14, 2021 10:17 pm

Im proud that Nshei is standing up and publishing articles that people sumbit. Its ok to have two opposing views, arent there two opposing views to almost anything? Its a balance.
Someone really feels deeply that they have a duty to fill by posting it – their intention was not to harm. If you dont like it, there is 10x+ more info from drs pro the vaccine available out there. This small article is like a grain of sand next to it. Just skip it

No!
Reply to  kudos to nshei
December 15, 2021 5:49 pm

It is 100% the wrong place to write your OPINION on something like vaccinations etc.

I think
Reply to  kudos to nshei
December 15, 2021 5:51 pm

They should have written the true pros AND cons to it. Just saying that it is terrible and bla bla bla doesn’t help and just makes you sound crazy

Correct
Reply to  Quacks
December 15, 2021 12:36 am

However, they have no write to even give such advice. They have zero medical expertise.

Really?
Reply to  Correct
December 15, 2021 12:48 pm

Yes but that does not stop some from saying those who don’t get vaxxed have “blood on their hands”. They have blood on their mouths.

Fury
Reply to  Responsibility
December 14, 2021 10:06 pm

N’shei is propaganda; it’s editor has blood on her hands.

Actually
Reply to  Fury
December 14, 2021 10:51 pm

In the merit of righteous women we will be redeemed!

Righteous women?
Reply to  Actually
December 15, 2021 6:46 am

I’m not following “righteous” women, how in the world does that have any impact on my medical choices? I’m following the smart educated ones.

Thehighwire.com
Reply to  Fury
December 14, 2021 11:13 pm

History will tell which leaders had blood on their hands.
Give lots of respect to someone who is willing to say their own opinion in this single-minded world!

anonymous
Reply to  Fury
December 15, 2021 10:12 am

Sad that you can’t handle hearing another possibly correct perspective

Wow, yes!
Reply to  Responsibility
December 15, 2021 12:35 am

I was just coming to write the same thing ab the Nshei Chabad Newsletter. Are they doctors? Do they take responsibility for their posts??

Seriously??
Reply to  Wow, yes!
December 15, 2021 8:57 am

Oh, the horror that an author in a magazine may have different views than you!

Many magazines publish articles about many things in the medical field. A normal person reads the articles, but makes decisions based on their own doctor. There is nothing wrong with reading opposing views or publishing them. That’s the basis of a free society. You don’t like it? Well there’s plenty of countries where the government is in charge of all media, and they only publish things that will keep you safe.

Opinion
Reply to  Seriously??
December 15, 2021 5:23 pm

Actually journalism is supposed to present both sides of an issue and quote informed sources. Otherwise its just an opinion piece and should be labeled as such.

Precisely
Reply to  Opinion
December 15, 2021 10:22 pm

It is so incredibly skewed. And if you know anything about marketing you know the impact an authoritative statement has on the subconscious, especially if you’re looking for something to tip you on way or another- and at worst to play in to your delusions. & I assume that phenomenon is strong here since nshei is well regarded. Even if you decide to “do your own research”, this is dangerous.

anonymous
Reply to  Wow, yes!
December 15, 2021 10:14 am

Do you know how many nurses and doctors are walking away from their jobs because they know the dangers of these so called vaccines and don’t want blood on their hands? Media is supressing this!

What do you mean
Reply to  anonymous
December 18, 2021 6:20 pm

This is not a topic for the media! This is a medical issue to be discussed between your doctor.

anonymous
Reply to  Responsibility
December 15, 2021 10:10 am

Part of the reason for the high death rate from covid is the concerted effort by the medical world to not promote or even allow (to put it mildy) ivremectin and hydroxycholorquin. I know people that recovered in days after receiving these treatments. The Doctors won’t prescibe it and hospitals don’t allow it. An all out war on people’s health. Don’t you think?

deaths are murders and falsified records
Reply to  Responsibility
December 19, 2021 11:47 pm

If the people “died of covid” in certain states, it may very well be murder, withholding medical treatment.

Rite Aid Pharmacy refused to refill my ivermectin. They also refused to sell it to me for $200 cash.

It’s not about saving lives. It’s political. How can they justify a clot shot if there are drugs that work? The EUA is illegal and invalid.

Ahh what?!
December 14, 2021 9:34 pm

First anyone with any logical brain would question a first of it’s kind vaccine and there isnt enough long term or short term research for you or anyone to say it’s totally safe, people who have had covid have been proven to have a higher level of antibodies than those who are vaccinated , and the vaccines effectiveness has been proven to be low and tends to undo a persons natural immunity and yes two European female sceintists did do a study on the vaccine and the virus effecting womans fertility and hormones and the results were shocking!!! Just because… Read more »

Propaganda
December 14, 2021 9:37 pm

Whats dividing us is the forced mandates, Not vaccinations. I For one am very pro vaccine, but to suggest that the covid vaccine is the same as a vaccines that have been around for years and are safe, is just turning a blind eye to common sense. And dont throw the “experts say” at me.

Exactly, its not the vax but the coercion
Reply to  Propaganda
December 14, 2021 10:08 pm

Forcing people against their will to be injected and applying pressure and propaganda like this writer is no less than tyrannical tactics.

Haha
Reply to  Propaganda
December 15, 2021 6:48 am

Do you know that the covid vaccine has had more research and testing done on it than any other vaccine in history?

So you’re right, the covid vaccine isn’t the same as other vaccines, it’s actually better.

actually, what?
Reply to  Haha
December 19, 2021 11:54 pm

What do you say to someone when they make assertions that are patently false and disprovable with facts?

You can’t say anything, because their belief is their religion.

Not my religion. In the USA, we are free to practice our religious beliefs.

smh

anonymous
Reply to  Propaganda
December 15, 2021 10:16 am

Whatever happened to free choice? You have to be suspicious of a dark agenda if they have to compel people to take and experimental treatment that hasn’t been tested on human beings and killed all the animals in the study. You have to look hard to find that supressed information!

thanks for writing this
December 14, 2021 9:42 pm

You’re right

Excellent article
December 14, 2021 9:42 pm

Keep encouraging the vaccine! And for those who continue to refuse, best of luck on your death beds.

Where is Ahavas Yisroel?
Reply to  Excellent article
December 14, 2021 11:53 pm

The core mitzvah of the Torah. We cant change anyone. You did your part and now Hashem will do his. we cannot change others – if you want to be a good example, that is what people follow.

This is a lesson in general, not even vax specific. I am not for the vaccine bt not wishing death to those who do something that I personally feel is life threatening.

Wait
Reply to  Where is Ahavas Yisroel?
December 15, 2021 6:51 am

I’m not hoping that they die, I’m just hoping that Gd judges them kindly when they inevitably do.

You’re right, we can’t change anyone. Anti vaccinators will remain selfish until they’re literally dying and causing others to die from covid, so again, best of luck on your death beds.

Mandates are not about health
Reply to  Wait
December 15, 2021 12:23 pm

What exactly makes them selfish?

Selfishness
Reply to  Mandates are not about health
December 15, 2021 10:29 pm

Imagine someone said, in regards to a toddler’s class “yeah xyz has the flu today but you know I just have such a busy schedule today so i just dropped him off anyways” that selfish, to knowingly do that, because now every little kid in that class is at risk of getting the flu. Their parents did not consent to that, and their children did not consent to getting the flu. Do we say “too bad, I can do with my kid as I want?” No, we understand that we have an affect on the people around us and we… Read more »

Explain
Reply to  Selfishness
December 16, 2021 1:54 pm

Not analogous. The vaxxed are protected against the un vaxxed (if the vax works), and the un vaxxed prefer to take the risk.

logic.
Reply to  Explain
December 20, 2021 12:01 am

well said. thank you.

Of course, you’re speaking science. To one whose religion is injections, nothing you say will matter.

We can learn so much from these people, how to have religious fervor.

sick vs not sick
Reply to  Selfishness
December 19, 2021 11:59 pm

agreed if a person is sick, better to stay home. If a person is healthy, why should they make themselves sick?

How is that helping anyone?

Besides, the China study showed no such thing as asymptomatic carrier. Now, VACCINATED PEOPLE can spread disease, or shed. We’ve known this from the DTaP jab. We know this from live virus vaccines like MMR. But a healthy person cannot make others sick. Hence the rule to stay home from school for 24 hours fever free.

imagine
Reply to  Excellent article
December 15, 2021 2:33 am

Imagine hoping people who are hesitant to get vaccinated will die. I can almost see the self righteous smirk on this persons face as he typed Good luck on your death beds. Is this what we really want ? Or maybe we should be wishing these people (like myself, who had covid for example) that they shouldnt need it and should live a long life regardless of what they choose. I cant even.

Finally!!
December 14, 2021 9:44 pm

Thank Gd someone’s coming out with a pro-vaccine article.

This community is becoming less and less educated by the day, we’ve never needed a leader more desperately than right now.

Education
Reply to  Finally!!
December 15, 2021 11:54 am

Does not just come from the radio.

So sad to hear that you've drunk the Kool-Aid
December 14, 2021 9:44 pm

There is so much I could tell you that refutes your basic regurgitation of the mainstream media’s denial of the science. With all due respect, your opinion piece sounds like a troll against intelligent people who are using their Hashem-given powers of reason to dare ask questions about false assumptions, the “But what about ___?” still small voice inside each of us. You make your opening broad-sweeping ad hominem attack (“conspiracy theorists” who “want to belong”) on anyone who disagrees with you on this matter. That kind of sounds like you have little respect here for the intelligence of your… Read more »

Love to read it
December 14, 2021 9:44 pm

Great article! Smart people of the world unite!

Wonderful article
December 14, 2021 9:58 pm

Conspiracy theorists are the greatest threat to America today. It’s not surprising that so many of them belong to white supremacist, pro-gun, trump supporting extremist groups. They must be shut down.

Hmm
Reply to  Wonderful article
December 14, 2021 11:25 pm

You mean like the conspiracy theory about Trump being a “Russian asset”? Oh, wait, that was on the Democrat side.

Or the one about Hunter Biden’s laptop being Russian disinformation? Whoops, another Democrat one.

Say, there seem to be an awful lot of conspiracy theories among anti-Trump, anti-gun extremist groups. Better start shutting them down too, hey?

Hahaha
Reply to  Hmm
December 15, 2021 6:53 am

Trump supporters are crazy!

I think we need a two state solution right here in America.

projection
Reply to  Hmm
December 20, 2021 12:04 am

Same tactic used by these types throughout history. Turnspeak is what they called it during WWII as I recall.

In fact, it is a good rule of thumb, that whatever they accuse the conservatives of, is exACTly what they are guilty of themselves.

Once you can translate their language, it’s quite interesting and predictive.

Simple questions
December 14, 2021 10:00 pm

1. Does the vaccine immunize you against getting covid?
2. Does the vaccine prevent you from spreading covid to others?
3. Why are the entire medical community, medical and government bodies totally negate and ignore the natural immunity that according to science is way stronger and more effective than the vaccine?
4. Why write an article about achdus when you are clearly biased and taking a side?
Hence the skepticism

Ummm
Reply to  Simple questions
December 15, 2021 6:54 am

Natural immunity is not stronger or more effective than the vaccine, I don’t know where you got that “information” but it’s false.

Achdus isn’t about losing sight of humanity, it’s about bringing people closer together through kindness. Getting vaccinated is the kind thing to do. Get it done.

Mandates are not about health
Reply to  Ummm
December 15, 2021 12:25 pm

Why exactly is it kind?

We’ll said
Reply to  Ummm
December 15, 2021 2:15 pm

Maybe have some achdus and accept peoples decision not to vaccinate!

re: We'll said
Reply to  We’ll said
December 20, 2021 12:06 am

I’m not sure what “We will said (we’ll is contraction of we will)” refers to, but your comment is very witty and to the point. Thank you.

I caught a lot of hypocrisy in this piece. It was kind of amusing, although reading the comments it seems that sadly there is a very serious pandemic of a lack of critical thinking.

good questions
Reply to  Simple questions
December 15, 2021 9:50 am

and thre are good answers. Indeed, think about it: why are entire medical community, medical and government bodeis all over the world basically saying the same thing? Why are the hundreds of thousands of frum doctors not endorsing Dr Zelenko? Why are the hundreds of thousands of frum doctors all over the world not protesting the vaccine? Are the entire frum medical communities (with very few exceptions) in cahoots trying to harm the Jewish people?? Or, are they all just plain ignorant? or stupid? The Nshei Newsletter should be criminally charged for printing absolutely false allegations, not supported by any… Read more »

Dr. Zelenko
Reply to  good questions
December 15, 2021 5:31 pm

DR. ZELENKO LOST HIS JOB FOR PUBLICIZING HIS SUCCESS IN TREATING PATIENTS WITH HIS PROTOCOL!

SFS
Reply to  good questions
December 15, 2021 9:31 pm

Why-because humans are subject to peer pressure and follow the crowd-even when there is glaring information otherwise! Americans pride themselves as free thinkers, yet many just go with common advertised opinion.

Could not agree more.
Reply to  good questions
December 15, 2021 10:38 pm

As I said in an earlier thread, let me join the worldwide whatsapp group!! Greatest secret of all time held by millions of doctors across the globe! Did you know that Dr fauci is personally in cahoots with COL even?? In fact, I’m pretty sure he himself wrote this article.

Yay!!!
December 14, 2021 10:01 pm

BH!!

As a liberal, progressive Chabad individual living in Crown Heights, it can be so discouraging to see so many insane, unvaccinated people pretending that their beliefs are based on anything substantial.

It’s nice to know that there are other educated Chabad Jews who follow science and reason.

Liberals
Reply to  Yay!!!
December 14, 2021 11:24 pm

You can others insane…

It seems that for many liberals the idea of being accepting and loving only applies for whatever they give their stamp of approval to love and accept, otherwise these beliefs of love and acceptance, not only turn to the side, but turn to hate and insults. How sad and revolting.

Right right
Reply to  Liberals
December 15, 2021 6:58 am

Is it hard for you to see liberals love and accept people of color and other marginalized groups in this country?

Is it hard for you to see us shut down hate and racism and misogyny?

I’m so sorry if we’ve hurt your fragile feelings. That must be very hard for you.

And we notice
Reply to  Right right
December 15, 2021 11:58 am

that you haven’t responded to his or her point at all. Where in earth do you get, for example, that they have anything against “people of color and other marginalized groups”? Or is it simply that your “liberalism” is a cover for looking down on anyone who doesn’t agree with you?

For a split second
December 14, 2021 10:02 pm

You started off sounding like you cared about the community being divided and then soon enough made it obvious you had your own agenda. You are part of the problem with your condescending and patronizing tone!

The Rabbi complains of "polarization"
December 14, 2021 10:05 pm

And then he proceeds to polarize, seemingly oblivious to what he is doing, with name calling (a.k.a. ad hominem attacks) against anyone who does not agree with him about the COVID vaccine! He characterizes as “conspiracy theorist” anyone who disagrees with his camp, even if the disagreer is not one. He characterizes unfairly in other ways too. It is sad to hear a Rabbi of his stature lowering himself to such polarizing and cowardly tactics — the refuge of bullies, I am sorry to have to point out . Perhaps there is hope. Brave people are standing up for the… Read more »

Pro vax lost me
December 14, 2021 10:06 pm

They believe that the unvaxxed are endangering everyone who is vaxxed. Where is the logic in that? If the vac works, you’re protected right? If it doesn’t work, why are you forcing it on others?

Oh dear
Reply to  Pro vax lost me
December 15, 2021 6:59 am

If you don’t yet know how viruses and vaccines work when we’re almost a month away from 2022, then I suggest you do some research now.

Hello?
Reply to  Oh dear
December 15, 2021 12:06 pm

Vaccines protect the person who is vaxxed, correct? Why should I get vaxxed to protect everyone else?

SFS
Reply to  Hello?
December 15, 2021 9:33 pm

What great logic! Those who are worried should mask and vax-if they work, the person has absolutely nothing to worry about!

Fury
December 14, 2021 10:10 pm

Bravo, bravo, bravo! I applaud your bravery and sensibility.

Alas, your words are wasted. Our community has become uninspired, unintelligent, and uncaring. Where the Rebbe was once Moshiach, now it is a yellow-haired ex-president who controls our brothers’ hearts.

Hubris, arrogance, proud ignorance have become the hallmarks of who we have become.

I cry for us and I cry for what we could and should be instead.

Absolutely
Reply to  Fury
December 14, 2021 10:36 pm

You said this perfectly.

1000%
Reply to  Fury
December 14, 2021 10:37 pm

I applaud this comment, because it’s sadly completely accurate.

Our community is a joke.

Joke??
Reply to  1000%
December 15, 2021 5:42 am

When ahavas Israel is replaced with the attitude of indifference, intolerance, shaming and shunning then that leads to trouble. If you will love a person and respect their decision then that builds community. If not it destroys. Community means unity.

Keep crying
Reply to  Fury
December 14, 2021 11:32 pm

Keep crying, but not because of our community.

Rather because of the complete incompetency and corruption of the democrats and the nursing home patient they installed as prez.

What does trump have anything to do with anything, it’s literally his vaccine and and he encouraged it multiple times.

Talk about uneducated

It is not Trump's
Reply to  Keep crying
December 15, 2021 5:44 am

Gates showed diagrams of the covid “virus” long before Trump. They were preparing this mRNA before his presidency too. Get your facts straight.

"encouraged it multiple times"
Reply to  Keep crying
December 15, 2021 7:00 am

You’re too delusional to waste my time on.

AOC 2024!!

Laughable
December 14, 2021 10:25 pm

By definition it is not a vaccine…
The virus is not a threat to everyone, not a threat to the majority either…

Never in recent history (last 200 years) have people acted so irrationally and rediculous…

All a sign that Moshiach must be very close

What are u on about
Reply to  Laughable
December 14, 2021 10:38 pm

Everything done in the last 200 years was rational?

Totally
Reply to  Laughable
December 15, 2021 7:01 am

When we’ve become complete morons and refuse the vaccine that Gd Himself sent us, He’s probably all like “these idiots, I either redeem them or watch them continue to kill each other out.”

Let’s see what happens!

SFS
Reply to  Totally
December 15, 2021 9:34 pm

Despite great mass vaccination in Israel among other countries-why-pray tell-are the viral rates climbing?

but - you're being logical
Reply to  SFS
December 20, 2021 12:19 am

smh psychotic people do not respond to logic. the only way to snap them out of it –think about slapping a hysterical person –is to scare the bejeebes out of them, by redirecting their fear to a legitimate fear. Like the totalitarian tyrannical take over of humanity in a concerted effort modeled on the first holocaust, using the same playbook with capricious ever more restrictive rules with no basis in logic whatsoever, and the concerted effort to pit neighbor against neighbor. And don’t use the word holocaust either because many have been brainwashed to actually believe that “never again” is… Read more »

Mrs.
December 14, 2021 10:31 pm

So true that families need to stay together and when I asked a Rav regarding something related to the vaccine his reply was paraphrased: as long as both husband and wife are on the same page. However the author writes:: The issue is complex and there are reliable reports regarding the effects of the vaccine which are concerning, but ultimately, this is about managing risk and making an informed decision. And for this, we again turn to the Rebbe unambiguous response to questions about medical issues; “Follow the doctor’s advice.” Why does the author assume all doctors encourage the vaccine… Read more »

over 1500 doctors who are against it
Reply to  Mrs.
December 15, 2021 9:54 am

but well over 15,000 doctors who advise it!
millions of doctors, in fact.

Really?
Reply to  over 1500 doctors who are against it
December 15, 2021 7:56 pm

“Millions of doctors”? Do you know how many people there are in the world? About 7 billion. Do you know what that divided by 2 million is? 3500. Do you seriously believe that one out of every 3500 people in the world is a doctor? And if you’re that innumerate, why should we believe that you know anything whatsoever about science or public policy?

Highly agree with your last line
Reply to  Really?
December 15, 2021 10:55 pm

However according to the last WHO count in 2018, there are an average of 1.5 doctors per 1,000 people. The ideal would be 2.5

vaccines do not work against Omicron
December 14, 2021 10:34 pm

Neither the vaccines nor natural antibodies work against the new Omicron variant. As of today, according to the New York Times 13% of New York Covid patients have the new Omicron variant, and it is growing by the day. What I want to understand is WHY do stores in CH not obey the new law, which started yesterday, that all stores in New York State have to have both employees and shoppers wearing masks? They are doing this because in the last two weeks there has been a 40% increase in hospitalizations from Covid, and Covid is surging because of… Read more »

Maybe because
Reply to  vaccines do not work against Omicron
December 14, 2021 11:30 pm

Omicron (or, to call it by an anagram, Moronic) may be “the most highly transmissible,” but it causes at most mild symptoms. The discoverer of it in South Africa has pointed that out. There is not a single death so far that has been shown to be of Moronic. On the contrary, there’s evidence that getting it protects against the other variants. So what exactly are you “sick and ashamed” about? And, maybe if the “health experts” hadn’t completely shot their credibility with all of their lies and backtracking and pretenses and so forth, people might indeed be more concerned.… Read more »

Because its ridiculous
Reply to  vaccines do not work against Omicron
December 14, 2021 11:34 pm

Tell me .. when is this gonna end? Every other day a “new variant” we need “another booster” “mask up” “the horrible unvaccinated” Enough of this nonsense This ends when the people say it ends! We are done with this government overreach. Ever heard of a LAW to wear a mask for a cold?? Is that what a free country does?? This new variant is the mildest form of covid. Close borders for this??? Ridiculous!!! And people are so used to it , don’t even realize what a golus this is!! And in austrailia they revere it. They don’t even… Read more »

40% increase
Reply to  vaccines do not work against Omicron
December 14, 2021 11:35 pm

From 0.5 people per million to 0.9 people. Laughable.
Start giving raw numbers. Stop using statistics to manipulate data

.......
Reply to  vaccines do not work against Omicron
December 15, 2021 5:53 pm

There is less proof that it doesn’t work against omicron then whether it works or not. Get your opinions straight

Clickbait alert!
December 14, 2021 10:36 pm

I was disapponted by the bait-and-switch of the headline vs. the actual article. I am looking forward to you (or anyone else) writing something about achdus on this matter. Achdus can only be made by somone that accepts both people’s perspective. As eucated and smart you may be, unfortunately, you cannot bring achdus by making fun of one of the parties you’re trying to unite. Thanks in advance! PS reminds me of the joke: My wife and I had an argument as to where we should spend Pesach; she wanted to go to California and I wanted to go to… Read more »

SFS
Reply to  Clickbait alert!
December 15, 2021 9:35 pm

100%

Has COL posted 1 article on the anti mRNA shot?
December 14, 2021 10:37 pm

If yes, it must’ve been the day I missed…. There’s an agenda going on among media news outlets. Those that are one sided, are corrupted. Even if on a personal level they believe one way, for the sake of true news for their readership, both sides should be written about. Let the people decide for themselves.

To summarize this article...
December 14, 2021 10:39 pm

Unfortunately in our community there is a polorisation, in that some people are pushing there negative views of vaccines on others, and making them feel uncomfortable. Therefore… Being that my view- that the vaccine is safe and affective is correct, those that agree with this opinion should be forcing our views (and policies) on those illiterate, anti science, anti vaxers, and of course making them feel uncomfortable by calling them “Rodfim”. We should all speak to our doctors (only if they will say “you must get the vaccine”, and if not your doctor is a whack, and you should find… Read more »

You're a Rabbi
December 14, 2021 10:48 pm

Did you not just contradict yourself? Ask a doctor – why take medical advice from a doctor? Why from the Vaad Chabad B”D in Israel (many of whom are on the payroll of the gov’t being Rabbis of their cities). Have you heard of Frontline Doctors of America? Dr. Zelenko – who has nothing to gain by trying to save the world and gets death threats because of his outspoken stance. Dr. Robert Malone – who knows more about this than R’ Aaron could pretend to? Dr. Malone developed the mRNA technology – listen to him and make your own… Read more »

pro vaccine
December 14, 2021 10:50 pm

just like the rebbe would have wanted.

False
Reply to  pro vaccine
December 15, 2021 5:46 am

Are you not up to date on what is published of what the Rebbe wrote regarding that if something causes death or adverse reactions then avoid it?

“Causes death or adverse reactions”
Reply to  False
December 17, 2021 12:29 am

Funny, kinda sounds like covid.

yessssss
December 14, 2021 10:52 pm

Getting my booster next week and could not be more excited/proud/confident.

This is how we take care of each other <3

anonymous
Reply to  yessssss
December 15, 2021 10:27 am

I’m sorry for you. Less chance you will be around in 5 years

Hahaha
Reply to  anonymous
December 15, 2021 12:14 pm

Based off facts and science, your anti-vax self is going to end up in the hospital waaaaaay before I do.

The Vaccine Is Worse Than The Disease
December 14, 2021 10:53 pm

Whether he realizes it or not, in essence this is what the author is saying.

Thank you for this article!
December 14, 2021 10:54 pm

If this community put any effort into educating themselves, then we could help this country move in a progressive direction.

Just imagine it. A world where orthodox Jews were not just preaching about kindness, but actually practicing it too. Wild.

It's the Mandate...
December 14, 2021 11:12 pm

As political pundits like to say: It’s the economy, stupid. Though a somewhat rude choice of words, it does bespeak a deep truth: It’s not about what people think it’s about. Confused? Here’s the deal, Dear Rabbi: Most people who are in fact called anti-Vax are not anti-Vax. They may have taken the shot, or have a loved one who has. Or they may have antibodies and not feel like taking the shot. These people are not anti-Vax: THEY ARE ANTI-MANDATE. Or to paraphrase James Carville, It’s the Mandate, Stupid. People are highly concerned about the spectre of the govt… Read more »

In response to Its the mandate
Reply to  It's the Mandate...
December 15, 2021 8:52 am

Great point that its the mandate and not a truly anti vax issue.

If only this were so!
Reply to  It's the Mandate...
December 15, 2021 3:14 pm

Did you see the Nshei Newsletter? It was vociferously anti-vax, spouting the worst fear-mongering falsehoods! Anti mandate is a whole other story. That’s reasonable to debate. Like welfare or immigration or gun laws…etc. Good reasonable talking points on both sides. I’m afraid, though, this is not what you’re hearing and seeing in our community. The anti-vaxxers are anti-science, anti-truth, pro-fear mongering. And, interestingly, mostly pro-trump. Mostly (Not all) with barely a high school education, if that. Mostly ignorant of the scientific process, not to speak of science itself. The anti-vaxxers who are waxing eloquent about dna and mrna and how… Read more »

Anti-Vaccine Groups
December 14, 2021 11:26 pm

If Anti-Vaccine groups are right, then they should be protesting and banging down the doors of Medical Schools within Universities.

How can so many Professors, Doctors and Scientists around the World be wrong?

SFS
Reply to  Anti-Vaccine Groups
December 15, 2021 9:37 pm

They do try to bang down doors. They are quickly silenced and threatened.

Imagine
December 14, 2021 11:35 pm

Imagine a world where liberals didnt hold some people responsible for some things that happened before they were born (whites) and others not responsible for things that their doing right now (BLM).

I know, would’ve been cool.

Happens to be that all the liberals I know are the most disgusting, self serving and centered human beings I’ve been acquainted with.

Cool!
Reply to  Imagine
December 15, 2021 7:06 am

Nice to meet you! Hi, I’m a liberal. I was raised in an open minded home where all people from all backgrounds are accepted and respected. We believe in equality for women. BIG feminists in my house <3 We believe that systemic racism is real and that we, as white people, have a responsibility to dismantle the system. We believe that everyone should be allowed to marry whoever they want. Can you even imagine telling someone that they're banned from loving another human being? We believe that women have complete autonomy over our bodies. FEMINISTS!! We believe so many beautiful… Read more »

What a long-winded way to say
Reply to  Cool!
December 15, 2021 3:38 pm

that you don’t believe in Torah. Yes, we who have learned the Torah and follow it can well “imagine” “telling someone” – a Jew – “that they’re banned from loving another human being,” a non-Jew. Same if one of those “someone”s is forbidden by Torah. If this is what liberalism means – that you consider what the Torah says unimaginable – then we want no part of it.

Ridiculous
December 14, 2021 11:48 pm

Get the vaccine if you want it. No ones stopping you. However it is disgusting to force people to get a vaccine or lose their jobs, or be barred from public spaces when vaccinated people can spread covid just as much as those who don’t have it. About fertility? There’s plenty of data saying that there have been cases of miscarriages r”l that may be connected to the vaccine , but it’s too early to know for sure. What is wrong with women waiting to see the full data to see if this is a safe thing to do or… Read more »

Uummmmmmm
December 15, 2021 12:21 am

How is the achdus from the pro vax towards those that don’t want to take it?
All we hear from them are threats, shaming, and constant nonsense how our not vaxing is not allowing theirs to work and putting them at risk???
Seriously???
Where is the respect, courtesy, and understanding that not eo thinks like you and we’d like to each make our own choices for ourselves.
And where’s the logic that you need me to vax in order for yours to work
Sorry this achdus approach is quite a twist to what achdus means

anonymous
Reply to  Uummmmmmm
December 15, 2021 10:30 am

My husband lost his job for not getting vaxxed after 25 years and HE HAD COVID

Very interesting point!
Reply to  Uummmmmmm
December 15, 2021 3:16 pm

I’ll bring this up the next time someone tries to tell me that McDonald’s is his choice of ‘kosher’ and that I sould respect his choice if I want him to rspect my choice of kosher. Even steven. If you want respect for the truth, then you need to respect the false.

There’s a difference
Reply to  Very interesting point!
December 15, 2021 8:48 pm

Between breaking Halacha and refusing/holding off a medical injection. Show me one place in the torah that is says you must vaccinate against covid. (And not “vnishmartem es nefshisechem” bc this vaccine doesn’t really do much in that department.)

2 opinions
December 15, 2021 12:36 am

So he is not allowing different opinions on the issue, only get along if you believe in the vax.

This is the key word!
Reply to  2 opinions
December 15, 2021 3:18 pm

“Believe” in the vax.?? It’s not a religion. It’s science. You don’t ‘believe’ in science, you believe in G0d. Science is what makes you go to the dentist when your tooth hurts, or what makes you get in a car to drive somewhere, or what you’re doing in the drugstore to fill a prescription. You don’t ‘believe’ in science,

Treatment
December 15, 2021 12:42 am

The issue is not getting covid, it’s the lack of treatment that caused the hospitalizations and deaths. No need for vax if people took ivermectin, hydroxiclorin, etc.
And also prevention of serious cases by taking vitamin d, quercetin, zinc, vitamin C. People who followed this had less serious cases.

Thank you!
Reply to  Treatment
December 15, 2021 3:19 pm

This is so important! Please list your credentials so that I know I’m getting good information from a reliable source. Thank you.

SFS
Reply to  Thank you!
December 15, 2021 9:39 pm

You dont need credentials for common sense. Hundreds of people I know have been protecting themselves well with vitamins etc-including myself. Thats enough evidence for me.

Two words: natural immunity!
December 15, 2021 12:51 am

The fact that these two words are missing from this Op-Ed says it all: the op-ed author is highly selective about what “science” he relies on.

I respectfully ask the op-ed’s author to stop ignoring the plethora of peer reviewed worldwide immunological scientific studies affirming the superior immunity status of those who have recovered from COVID. That is, superiority over the “merely vaxxed.”

Then we can talk, Rabbi.

What I’m waiting for…
December 15, 2021 1:04 am

The day my natural immunity becomes recognized by the “establishment” as providing protection against the virus (as good if not 7x better that the vaccine), I will begin to trust the establishment again.

I’m not holding my breath.

Vaccine education
December 15, 2021 1:22 am

Why do you think that people that are refusing the vaccine are uninformed and uneducated Maybe because they are informed they choose not to take it? And how do they know which variant it is? Suddenly the whole world has a test ready for this new variant?

There is a difference
Reply to  Vaccine education
December 15, 2021 11:03 pm

Between uninformed and misinformed. In this case, it is the latter.

Ged
December 15, 2021 1:58 am

There are a number of new vaccines coming on line, some have been held back. More affective and on traditional platforms than the current drugs. Even these have to struggle against interference.

Psak din of Israel Rabbi's
December 15, 2021 3:08 am

They’re Psak is absolutely not relevant internationally!!!
If they may rule on this, that’s only for their community.
The disaster they cause there keep it there.

Joke?
Reply to  Psak din of Israel Rabbi's
December 15, 2021 1:32 pm

Except the local battei din ruled the same way! Badatz of CH came out numerous times for the vaccine. Problem is no one here has any respect or kabalas ol!

Psak?
Reply to  Joke?
December 15, 2021 5:25 pm

I haven’t seen this psak. Please provide details.

Really?
Reply to  Joke?
December 15, 2021 7:31 pm

How’s about you link to one single such letter?

No respect or kabalos ol for the beis din?!
Reply to  Joke?
December 15, 2021 7:38 pm

Ever wonder why?! For the same reason children dont respect their parents today. Parents have to deserve the respect but they only know to demand it which according to halacha is incorrect because they may not burden their children with kibud av vaaim. Dont expect children to have kabalos ol when their parents dont have it.

We don’t believe in science
December 15, 2021 3:45 am

If somebody wants to encourage taking the vaccine his article should be full of the studies, proof of safety and efficiency of the drug. Every time I was ever prescribed something by a doctor I read up about the side effects of the drug and asked the doctor for a risk vs benefit analysis The only thing my doctor said about this vaccine is that if you don’t take it you’ll loose your job So make your risk vs benefit analysis based on that When I asked about safety he said no one knows for sure but he has heard… Read more »

Wow looking for a Dr like that
Reply to  We don’t believe in science
December 15, 2021 1:10 pm

Kol hakavod

Very political article!!!
December 15, 2021 3:50 am

I am very disappointed that instead of encouring achdut you are encouraging vaccine political agenda.!!!

Your opening a case of insects why?
December 15, 2021 4:08 am

Everyone has right to they’re opinion learn not everyone thinks and has to think like you your opinion isn’t others many has had adverse and deathly reactions so please realise to respect as students of Rabbi Akiva couldn’t handle others thinking differently what a shame this is worse than carona

Pollution too many cars and planes
December 15, 2021 4:10 am

Vaccine isn’t working it’s only harming make more care more travel more pollution no snow for children and put them masks and vaccine can’t clean the world of pollution toxins causing brining problems more and more

Rabanim
December 15, 2021 6:07 am

I can’t think of one Lubavitcher Rav who is anti Vax. This attitude of each person doing what fits him without consulting Rabanim is disgraceful!

And I can’t think of one
Reply to  Rabanim
December 15, 2021 8:50 pm

That is pro vaxx! (Aside for Israeli ones that we don’t go by).

Rabbis should not be counted on for mediCal advice. Doctors should.

The cure to polarisation is RESPECT
December 15, 2021 6:51 am

NO ONE knows what the right way is. So be humble.choose to vaccinate if that’s your guess, or avoid the vaccine if that’s your gamble. And daven for health in whatever you chose

Bribery
December 15, 2021 7:41 am

Rabbis in Israel have very little room for having their own opinions when it comes to government matters. Remember what happened to rabbis that spoke out against the pull out from Gush Katif or similar matters. They get arrested and harassed.

Crown heights
December 15, 2021 7:42 am

For me to take the vaxcinne. Idk there is not enough data and info of it. We dont know what this vaccine is going to do us in 5 years from now. I want to wait i am not a against the vaccine the fact that the goverment sepressed the data till 2076 dose that say anything to you? I have lots of questions on this . Also i know so many poeple who took the vaccine and still go covid. We started out with 1 dose then 2 dose now we are up 3 dose Something is very fishy… Read more »

Choice
December 15, 2021 8:00 am

People have a choice.
Lots of us are hesitant because it’s new.
What would you do if with your own eyes you saw a loved one get hurt by the vaccine???? (I know most are fine)
And a dear friend with another bad side affect that is long term……
It’s your choice

ALFRED E NEWMAN
December 15, 2021 8:04 am

TO EVERY UBER CHOCHOM ON THIS BLOG IT IS A VERY SIMPLE CHOICE!
WOULD YOU ANTI VAXXERS PLACE YOUR HEADS IN FRONT OF AN ONCOMING TRAIN?

IF THE ANSWER IS NO, THEN THIS IS THE CHOICE YOU HAVE BECAUSE THE DEADLY OMICRON, WHICH NEITHER ANTI BODIES OR 2 JABS ARE EFFECTIVE, IS COMING TO A STREET NEAR YOU, HEAD ON, AND WITH 800k ALREADY DEAD FROM COVID IN USA YOU HAVE A CHOICE…..LIFE AND TAKE THE BOOSTER AND PROTECT OTHERS, OR DEATH CV.

“Deadly”?
Reply to  ALFRED E NEWMAN
December 15, 2021 12:06 pm

Really? Has even one person died of it yet? Show your work.

Deadly?
Reply to  ALFRED E NEWMAN
December 15, 2021 2:05 pm

Facts from where?
This is the mildest form, and ppl don’t die from this variant.
Please.

The data:
Reply to  ALFRED E NEWMAN
December 15, 2021 8:52 pm

There is so far one new death WORLDWIDE from this new variant.

The South African doctors are telling everyone to relax, and in fact get this variant bc it is a lot milder and is a safe way to be immune.

Oh, and I think your keyboard is stuck in caps lock. Not sure why you needed it.

Not even “from”
Reply to  The data:
December 16, 2021 8:30 am

But “with.” Well, people die every day with dandruff, with hangnails, etc. That doesn’t mean we need a worldwide campaign to eliminate those.

LEV YASHIN
December 15, 2021 8:09 am

#MAYBE BECAUSE

IS ANY CITY MISSING THEIR VILLAGE IDIOT?

ITS DEADLY AND HIGHLY CONTAGIOUS!

Lol, one way to push an opinion
December 15, 2021 8:50 am

Now imagine the same article on the flip side point of view..
Ppl dividing cuz the religious vaxers look down at the ones that don’t want to get vaccinated…

100% wrong
December 15, 2021 9:01 am

The moment the doctors and scientist who are disagreed with an official party line silenced you know it is not about our health.

It’s funny
Reply to  100% wrong
December 15, 2021 11:25 pm

That someone being “silenced” automatically means it because they know a hidden truth. We silence the neturei karta, and non jews say “See! They speak the truth! And they are silenced by the Jewish community!” Why do we silence them? Because they are wrong and their misinformation is dangerous, not because we are covering anything up. Nothing to do with silencing whistleblowers and everything to do with doctors holding their peers to a standard where no one causes unnecessary death.

Actually, no
Reply to  It’s funny
December 16, 2021 8:32 am

If they’re wrong and their misinformation is dangerous, then you counterattack with facts. If you don’t, then it shows you really don’t have any.

Facts
Reply to  Actually, no
December 17, 2021 12:24 am

The internet is FULL of facts about the vaccine and how it reduces risk of death. And doctors are trying to share factual information as well but they can only yell so loud.

Anti-science
December 15, 2021 9:14 am

As long as you ignore natural immunity, you’re ignoring science. (Or as they like to call the anti-mandate people “anti-science”)

Beis Din Of Crown Heights !!!
December 15, 2021 9:45 am

We DONT hear you !!!!!!
Other communities has Psak NOT to take the shots, based on hours of testimonies of top experts and reports given to the heads of their Beis Din. Say Something !!!

Joke?
Reply to  Beis Din Of Crown Heights !!!
December 15, 2021 1:28 pm

The Badatz has put out NUMEROUS letters and publications urging people to get vaccinated. That you don’t like their psak doesn’t mean they didn’t make one!

Get vaccinated!

Really?
Reply to  Joke?
December 16, 2021 8:33 am

And I suppose you can link to even one of those “numerous letters and publications”?

Great article
December 15, 2021 10:09 am

Conspiracy theorists need to be silenced, they are causing deaths all over this country with their lies.

Go get vaccinated, save a life.

Silenced?
Reply to  Great article
December 15, 2021 8:55 pm

It’s not a conspiracy theory.

My one-healthy family friend who now has heart issues is not a conspiracy theory.

The woman I know who had a miscarriage is not a conspiracy theory.

Why should these people be silenced? To make you comfy in your view of “sCienCe?”

Respect
December 15, 2021 10:31 am

We are becoming increasingly polarized over vaccines, and your article articulately demonstrates why that is the case. What you are essentially saying is – you are entitled to your opinion, if it is the same as mine. Otherwise I will preach kindness and togetherness while dismissing your opinion as ridiculous (conspiracy theories) and shaming you into submission to my view. So it’s not the polarization you care about, it is the differing point of view. This is not the traditional anti vax vs vax argument. Our current situation is a lot more nuanced, and there are valid arguments on both… Read more »

Konrad Lorenz
December 15, 2021 11:12 am

Dear Rabbi Aron, I assume that neither you nor the community over here do really know, who Konrad Lorenz and his studies was. Therefore I would like to point out a few things Konrad Lorenz (born in Austria 1903) made “his” philosophy based only on behalf “his” observations of animals (only). Based on “his” results – he came to the conclusion that also human beings have to follow “the law” of “Ausmerzung Minderwertiger” what equals in english language “eradication of inferior”. According to his “teachings” of the mentioned above – he was naturally during WWII member the NSDAP (Nazi-Party) and… Read more »

Treatments
December 15, 2021 11:23 am

We now have treatments such as ivermectin and zinc with azithromycin to treat covid and many more options such as monoclonal antibodies. How many people in Crown Heights died from covid in 2021? Zero. That’s including both vaccinated and many unvaccinated. Can you say the number zero about those were vaccinated and suddenly passed away? In Crown heights and anash and shluchim throughout the world who were vaccinated and had sudden heart attacks in 2021 or similar. The people who are vaccinated are getting covid just as much as those who are unvacinated. Covid is 99.99% curable for the young… Read more »

Why are all the melbourne anti vaxers lubavitch???
Reply to  Treatments
December 16, 2021 10:23 am

Thats because everyone in ch got covid akready at the start of the pandemic and killed everyone that was shayech to die from it.

Other countries such as australia didn’t have that so they need to vaccinate si it doesn’t happen when they open up

Natural immunity works.
December 15, 2021 11:50 am

I know two people that tested positive for covid twice, one also being double vaxxed, and more than thirty people that were double vaxxed and still got covid.

The vaccine does not prevent you from catching covid. It doesn’t prevent from passing it on. It may lessen the covid symptoms that one might have. So it just protects yourself. (People who have been sick with covid are still testing positive for antibodies 18 months later.)

So if the vaccine just protects oneself (potentially), why do people care if I choose not to “protect” myself?

Crown heights
Reply to  Natural immunity works.
December 15, 2021 2:36 pm

Agree what do poeple care if you are pretected .

Not true
Reply to  Natural immunity works.
December 16, 2021 10:30 am

That is false. Ask your doctor.

It protects you from getting it, although there can be breakthrough…far less common though.

If less ppl catch it less ppl spread it and automatically less deaths. Why do you think they are giving it to kids? They are in no danger. Its so they dont kill their grandparents c”v.

Besides, the doctors are all saying that if everyone is vaccinated the virus wont spread and it will die out and we can all move on.

Wow, such "science"
Reply to  Not true
December 16, 2021 12:47 pm

“If less p[eo]pl[e] catch it[,] less p[eo]pl[e] spread it and automatically less deaths”

Really, now? Have you not heard about asymptomatic transmission? People who have been vaccinated are perfectly able to spread it too, because it gets into their system same as anyone else’s, and then they can spread it same as the unvaxxed. The CDC has said as much.

Gee, for folks who pride themselves on their “following the science” rather than uneducated guesses, there seems to be an awful lot of the latter by them too…

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December 15, 2021 2:05 pm

On a general basis, I am quite reserved. However, I feel that something needs to be said: I am just another voice among many others, or perhaps I am a lone voice? I do not come to take a side, either in favour of or against vaccines. I only wish to share a humble message- one that seems to have lost its way amongst an array of different opinions and arguments. Fortunately, or perhaps, unfortunately, I have been made impartial to both Vaxers and Anti-vaxers. I am a young adult/teen with a debilitating disease, who has not yet had COVID-… Read more »

Refua shelaima!
Reply to  ...
December 15, 2021 4:17 pm

Wishing you well!

The dangers of the anti vax movement
December 15, 2021 2:24 pm

Both of my parents are vehemently opposed to vaccinations in general and covid-19 vaccine in particular. One day my mother came and started screaming and crying that the girls in the house cycles started to change and that I am responsible for I had taken the vaccine. I had actually taken the second vaccine more than a month before that incident but my mother right away assumed that it was because I had just had taken the vaccine like she all the social media and anti vax videos she was seeing which turned out to be totally untrue. This story… Read more »

I'm so sorry
Reply to  The dangers of the anti vax movement
December 15, 2021 4:03 pm

I’m sorry you had to experience that from your own mother.

Please know that there are others in this community who have your back, and that you’ve saved countless lives because you got vaccinated.

You did the right thing, and you should be proud.