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    True Story Behind Viral Cookie

    A photo of a Reisman's Black and White cookie with a "Baked after Pesach" symbol went viral on social media this week. Here's the true story from Reisman's bakery. Full Story

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    Human error
    Guest
    Human error

    You rectified an error and will triumph for your effort

    Ester
    Guest
    Ester

    B”H

    Spark of Chassidus: Yey! They have Kosher cookies at the airport! Hurray!

    Mashgiach
    Guest
    Mashgiach

    So they admit that they have access to labels attesting to their kashrus that they can use at random, that this was actually done and that if not for social media exposing it they would have gotten away with it?
    Why should we trust them that there were only 24?
    Why should we trust them that their items are even kosher? Obviously the three hechsherim combined don’t have oversight in this company if mistakes like this can happen and get fixed not by the kashrus agencies, but by the bakery representative.

    interesting
    Guest
    interesting

    company damaged and that’s the way the cookie crumbles!

    I'm pretty certain
    Guest
    I'm pretty certain

    Everything leaves the reisman facility already packaged and labelled. The vendors do not package and label themselves

    I don't buy the excuse
    Guest
    I don't buy the excuse

    If they used the ‘after pesach’ labels, why does the top cookie only have the words? Another thing, why didn’t the representative who ‘ran’ to the airport take a black marker and blacken out the words?

    fishy
    Guest
    fishy

    How can a rep from the company check out what’s by the airport?
    It’s חמץ…..

    really
    Guest
    really

    It’s sounds like it was in every way intentional the only thing that was unintentional was being caught. Think about it what would we say if just by accident they substituted the sugar with salt…

    With 4 hechsherim!!!
    Guest
    With 4 hechsherim!!!

    Mistakes still happen even with 4 hechsherim

    Yitzchok
    Guest
    Yitzchok

    “Minutes after hearing of this error” in other words minutes after being exposed via social media!
    How can such an error happen in the first place?
    Who is to guarantee that there aren’t more errors?
    How do we know that the rest of their stickers are reliable?

    not 1st time
    Guest
    not 1st time

    i heard a similar story from Dayan Shuchat at his shabbos hagadol speech last year in 580 crown

    kashrus
    Guest
    kashrus

    Debrecin is a very weak hegshe known to rely on frum balabos, ou most likely relies on them or crc.
    As la mashgiach i know that we are carefully watching what’s on the label and what containers are used and what

    Mistakenly put?
    Guest
    Mistakenly put?

    Does that mean that they may have ‘mistakenly put’ reismans labels on non-kosher cookies?

    cookies
    Guest
    cookies

    As a former משגיח , I have some questions. A) why were these labels even available before pesach was over? A VERY big problem to start with.
    B) some one mentioned the rep if the company went to Ck out חמץ גמור on chol hamoed pesach? Wow very nice to publisize such a thing.
    Just saying” where there us smoke theres fire”

    to 5 & 6
    Guest
    to 5 & 6

    Vendor means the guy selling it. So the bakery is saying that THEY, the bakery, labeled it wrong before they sent it to the guy selling it in jfk,the vendor.

    The representative didn’t use a black marker but made sure they were disposed of. Since this incident happened during chol hamoed he couldn’t take them back or replace them.

    chill out
    Guest
    chill out

    mistakes do happen, they are human too
    cut them sum slack, and enjoy your kugel

    Honest mistake
    Guest
    Honest mistake

    No harm done.

    mistakes
    Guest
    mistakes

    Mistakes happen everywhere. Your only other options are to eat only homemade food

    Dan l'chaf zechus
    Guest
    Dan l'chaf zechus

    Someone saw this at the airport and sent it to the kashrus agencies. Someone a the kashrus agencies posted it online.It seems like the labels were printed after Pesach to be available for use after Pesach and whoever pus on the label somehow made a mistake. The bakery did not want the cookies sold after Pesach so got rid of them. How many companies put labels on products that they were baked after Pesach?

    the whole thing is a farce
    Guest
    the whole thing is a farce

    The reason why the bakeries put these stickers on in the first place is because there are people who are machmir not to eat any chometz that was sold to a goy. (Because of a chumra they have regarding mechiras chometz being haarama, anyine whi usee AR shtar mechiras chometz does not have the issue).

    What they do not realize is that majority of flour sold nowadays is already chometz, because the kernels are washed and the flour is bleached. Besides the obvious that although it is baked after pesach, in most cases the dough is prefrozen before pesach.

    heard that Reb Groner's father used to say that if one eats ready made products, bemeshech a year they eat up a whole chazer
    Guest
    heard that Reb Groner's father used to say that if one eats ready made products, bemeshech a year they eat up a whole chazer
    again
    Guest
    again

    this happens all the time this is just the first time it goes viral

    kosher
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    kosher

    Why all the hechsher bashing.
    As Lubavitchers who rely on mechiras chametz even on chametz gamur, this makes no difference to our lives. This is only nogeah for the people who do not sell chametz gamur. Additionally mistakes happen even to the best hechsherim. There are lists and updates that go out all the time with stop being mislabeled. Take a chill.

    why dont thay just say the truth?
    Guest
    why dont thay just say the truth?

    the truth is that NOT all things are baked after passach.
    so, instead of saying a big story, just say, “yes but we sell them
    to a non Jew before passach”
    I hope they are not going to put a stickerNOW saying “bebaken nuch passach 5776. or that would be really old

    Yum Yum
    Guest
    Yum Yum

    Don’t eat gluten, but this makes me want to buy one after Pesach. Really people. Can’t we all just get along?

    it's not only about mechiras chometz gomur
    Guest
    it's not only about mechiras chometz gomur

    The issue is that the company can label their products without anyone noticing what goes on.
    To the people who would not want to but a product that wasn’t baked after pesach this would be a problem.
    To us the use of a non kosher ingredient would be a problem.
    There should be someone who takes responsibility for what it says on the label.
    Are all three kashrus agencies giving a hechsher closed for pesach?

    ok, everybody. this is an issue.
    Guest
    ok, everybody. this is an issue.

    eben if we do eat chametz which was sold to a goy and rely on that “heter”, the issue here is that it wasn’t in the possession of reisman’s, it was by an airport vendor. not every vendor or gas station that they sell it to is going to sell their chametz, so people are concerned that this chametz may have not been sold at all (which would be a problem if the company/store is owned by a jew). so to avoid this problem people try and be careful to eat things which were made after pesach I don’t understand… Read more »

    TO #23
    Guest
    TO #23

    iT MAY NOT MAKE A DIFF. ABOUT THE FACTTHAT IT WAS BAKED B4 PESACH, BECAUSE WE SELL PURE CHOMETZ. However, does it sound right to u that they sent 24 cookies , & they say they had Nothing left in their warehouse?
    &2) why did only some mistakenly have the label?

    mints
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    mints

    i once bought mints (from a different company) that said “kosher prave” on the back. i called my rav and he said its fine and sometimes the machine makes errors. in this day and age i think people realize that mistakes happen.

    The Longest Pesach
    Guest
    The Longest Pesach

    “The printer made a mistake!”

    As a former mashgiach mi advise is...
    Guest
    As a former mashgiach mi advise is...

    Eat at your own risk my friends…non the Hashgacha nor the bakery are out there as a public service companies, they are out there to make money. period.
    Bake your own “after Pesach cookies” at home and be happy (and is cheaper too)

    if you actually doubt the company.....
    Guest
    if you actually doubt the company.....

    So your telling me that everyone who has an issue with this and doubts the bakery…. your the ones who will still be eating them regardles. (Especially right after pesach)

    idk
    Guest
    idk

    i dont know if this is correct, but i thoght the prob was with the stuff baked AFTER pesach due to the problem of yashan-?-

    no problem
    Guest
    no problem

    its just a mistake

    Stop stop stop it!!!
    Guest
    Stop stop stop it!!!

    The lashon Harar and motzei shem ra along with killing a yids parnassah is a deorysa. Gebaken noch pesach is a issue of derabnan at worse

    a human beings livelihood is at stake
    Guest
    a human beings livelihood is at stake

    The reason sounds plausible 100% and there’s no reason not to trust them. Every company makes mistakes, every hashgocho makes mistakes and every human makes mistakes stop being so vicious. We are Jews we are not Catholic inquisitors.

    To #35
    Guest
    To #35

    It cant stop hear, do you try to eat kosher? If they wand to sell pig why do they say its kosher? and its a mitzvah to tell your friend about something that is agents the torah and tell them to stop doing it. they should stop pretending to be holy, and say Yes they do bake things before pesach, and that they don’t keep the hidder of baked after pesach. and I don’t want to eat not kosher just because someone is going to loos his parnoso. people gave their lives to keep kosher and some black and white… Read more »

    To #37
    Guest
    To #37

    You are absolutely rite!

    AHAVAS YISROEL
    Guest
    AHAVAS YISROEL

    great track record relax let their kashrus agencies investigate and explain

    to #39 AHAVAS YISROEL
    Guest
    to #39 AHAVAS YISROEL

    We will never hear a public explanation from the kashrus organizations who let these labels loose. Who could seriously trust them after this. It won’t be just one Yid’s parnassa who I will no longer be supporting, but ANY company under any of those hashgachas.

    Baked after Pesach
    Guest
    Baked after Pesach

    Isn’t the issue of ‘baked after Pesach 5775’ connected to ‘yoshon’ rather than mechiras chometz?

    to 21: what do you mean by that and source
    Guest
    to 21: what do you mean by that and source

    “heard that Reb Groner’s father used to say that if one eats ready made products, bemeshech a year they eat up a whole chazer ”

    not sure what you mean by that, and what was the context in which this was said

    Nuch pesach, fine
    Guest
    Nuch pesach, fine

    Whats the problem? It already is after pesach why not eat that cookie it sure looks good!

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