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    Tearing Apart a Community

    From the COLlive inbox: A Crown Heights mother describes how a recent messira affected her and her child at daycare. Full Story

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    so sad
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    so sad

    pple!! you gotta lose your yeshus

    So what?
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    So what?

    How do they know it was a Jew? It could have been anybody with a gripe. Is there any history of Jew haters making up lies? No, of course not……..

    unclear article
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    unclear article

    this article isnt explicit enough. obviously someone maasered on soemone running a private business in their private home. there are several home run daycares in the neighborhood who have been reported on and had to shut down until they were brought up to code. I dont agree with the mosrim, but they might be thinking they are protecting our children by forcing the daycare providers to make their mini business safe

    to be a tattel tale even in a play ground with kids is frowned upon,,,how much more so in the grown up world!!
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    to be a tattel tale even in a play ground with kids is frowned upon,,,how much more so in the grown up world!!

    this is exactly how the beis hamikdash was destroyed…by telling on authoritues about something within our community, that isnt “right” in someone else’s eyes!!!, i am a parent of this wonderful palygroup and was sooooo distraught to hear it came from a jew who simply wanted to put a nother yid in trouble and try ruin her parnasa,Ultimatly Hashem runs this world and decides who is supposed to earn what, that year…but for a person, so soon after yom kippur to have the chutzpa to make another yid suffer…shocks me!!! I dont know how a person could sleep at night… Read more »

    I know this story
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    I know this story

    This is something that people don’t take seriously any more. The concept of meseira should be one to have everyone quaking in fear but we see how neighbor masers on neighbor for building a wall too high or too near to a property line. Organizations are masered on by other organizations who want a piece of the pie or who think they deserve it for doing nothing to help the community. Crown Heights is Mesiraville. Do you mosrim know the results for meseira? Do you know what will happen in the World to Come? Which expert is willing to host… Read more »

    who says it's a jew
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    who says it's a jew

    it could be a jew hating neighbor, has happened many times before. This is most likely what happened

    To the Mosser....
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    To the Mosser....

    I am also one of the parents who sent her child to this wonderful playgroup. It is astonishing how low a person can become, and the ugliness that a person can display. How do you sleep at night? Do you do everything “KOSHER” Do you realize that you just ruined a person’s parnassah? Do you realize how much you have inconvenienced so many parents? Do you realize how unsettling it is to take toddlers out of an environment of comfort and place them in other strange surroundings? You should ask mechilla from the people you hurt, before you get what… Read more »

    in the know
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    in the know

    there are no goyish neighbors who live close enough to even know the playgroup was happening.

    anon
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    anon

    they shouldn’t let people make false alarms anonymously, they should have to give a name (at least in an instance where it was a false call)

    Hashem see and hears everything...u can run but u cant hide!
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    Hashem see and hears everything...u can run but u cant hide!

    its almost certain it was i a jewish neigbour im a parent of this adorable loving playgroup…dont worry, Hashem runs this world…and there is no place u can hide from Him…ide love to hear the torah perspective of a messira and how wrong it is …ppl are forgetting the laws of the torah…incl this halacha!!!

    miriam tovah
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    miriam tovah

    There are many playgroups on Montgomery. One however, is horrible, not only because its not clean. Because of the mistreatment of children. Children coming home with uneaten lunches. Children left in their high chairs all day even to sleep… I personally took my kid out and would not maaser but i understand why someone would. There are many parents in the know about that place and many are very angry. and when it comes to children I and they dont care about the persons parnassah.

    another parent
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    another parent

    miriam tovah,
    believe me this play group is NOTHING like the one you’ve described!! our morah loves our children like her own!

    Hashem rules the world!!

    there are many amazing groups in our neighbourhood
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    there are many amazing groups in our neighbourhood

    this place was an amazing place and i wouldnt be surprized if she one day opens a preschool, she is that good, very super clean, the kids all adore her, and have learned so much, its not a baysitting or day care its a mini schoool, they eat healthy lunches everyday and have proper naps on little cots used in every school, safe sturdy furniture and extremely well run, the inspector said to the teacher herself, she doesnt understand why she was called out bc it would have passed only the teacher neede a permit and for the place/property to… Read more »

    wrong playgroup
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    wrong playgroup

    the cops went to the wrong play group

    was it a jwe who called?
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    was it a jwe who called?

    did they say a jew called?

    chocolate lover
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    chocolate lover

    my son went there for summer session and was really happy . However the playgroup took place in a garage. That could be why they got busted.DOH can be very picky bout these things.

    In the end it doesn't matter
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    In the end it doesn't matter

    Someone maasered. I know the situation and I think i know which “frum” neighbor did it. But without proof there’s nothing to say except this – after 120 you have to deal with what you did. You can’t undo it. Let this be a lesson to all prospective mosrim out there. G-d will deal with you.

    to chocolate lover
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    to chocolate lover

    The point here is that someone called the doh on the playgroup. They never would have known if not. The doh would shut down all the playgroups in crown heights if they found them.

    cousin
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    cousin

    I have two cousins who live on the block for many years. One of them is suffering from his anti semite neighbor. The guy takes him to court for every little thing. Recent episode- a bottle on his roof. There are plenty of nasty old goyim on the block. could easily be one of them. they all look ok yet act disgusting to him and his family. this guy reported someone last year on the block , dont understimate these old foggy guys. they are the worst of them

    who said it was a jew?
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    who said it was a jew?

    who said it was a jew? there have been several play groups reported on recently. one of them was by a guy who is inside a real anti semite. he quietly reports every littel dumb thing. I was his victim last year. Why are we blaming jews??

    chanita
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    chanita

    TO in the know, there are a lot of goyim down the block who are real nasty. They meanwhile eat off the jews and enjoy nice treatment from the jews. These churchgoers dont deserve our kindness.

    mama
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    mama

    Bubbe miriams gan was also reprted on recently. I certainly dont believe in mesirah.however maybe the person feels children should be in a licensed setting. Perhaps community council can assist people in getting a license. Who said it was a jew ? maybe a goy who feels that we need a licensed place. This place provided wonderfull quality care to the infants and toddlesrs in her group.

    who said it was a yid?
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    who said it was a yid?

    you want to know who said it was a yid? THE DOHMH WORKER THAT’S WHO!
    we miss you, morah!! we’re still sad my girl is too big for this years group!

    Regarding comments 5,7,10,17
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    Regarding comments 5,7,10,17

    Do the ladies who walk around CH dressed as ‘prutzos’,with total disregard for tznius, think about what they will get in the World to Come? If they would really think about it, they we wouldn’t have the problem that we have in CH. Hashem sees everything and records everything.

    resident
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    resident

    I dont live on the block so wouldnt know ,but it is horrible to point fingers at jews. I also dont beleive that the dept of health woudl say it was a jew, something bout the story doesnt sound rite. especially if this took place in a garage. That is a big NO NO for dept of health. lets love our fellow brothers. I am sure there is a second side to the story as wonderfull as the morah is.

    To #25
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    To #25

    There is no “2nd side to the story”. This is a converted garage with carpet, painted sheetrocked walls, a real door, a bathroom, real preschool furniture (not a little kiddie table). This is an amazing playgroup with an amazing Morah who now has to worryabout her parnassah!!!

    People dont know the whole story
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    People dont know the whole story

    I know for a fact that the Department of health goes around inspecting playgroups, schools, headstart programs randomly and without prior notice. So its very possible that thats what happened. And people why be so judgemental right away? And start accusing fellow Jews? Remember those who judge there fellow Jews harshly Hashem will Judge them the same.

    I agree with “Resident” When the city comes to investigate they never give specifics on calls. Even if a caller gives a name the dont give that information out!

    ch resident
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    ch resident

    I sent my child to this play group previously. This was a wonderful play group. The morah is fantastic. The place is spotless. It looks like a classroom not someone’s living room. There is heat, air condition, and a place for the kids to play in a pool in the summer and a backyard with some toys and a slide etc. The parents were able to drop the kids off through the alley and not have to get out of the car and park. The kids loved it. It did not bother anyone. When the door was closed as it… Read more »

    mother of child in playgroup
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    mother of child in playgroup

    to #27 the city would never have seen, heard or known about this as it is quiet and not seen from anywhere. The inspector said that “someone called and complained about an illegal playgroup” and so we have to investigate. She found this surprising as “Jews do not do tell on other Jews”. # 25 is right. There is no other side. Messira is Messira no matter how you spell it. This is a great loss to me and others. Why??? Why???? Why??? did you do this???? Is it jealousy or just sinas chinom? Which causes so much damage.

    mother
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    mother

    the playgroup was closed the entire yom tov and first opened again on monday. so the mosser new when to call to masser

    what if???
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    what if???

    What if, G-d forbid, something wasn’t “kosher” about this play group, but because it was cheap and convenient, no one said a word? What if a child became sick from the conidtions or was mistreated? We shouldn’t say anything because we would be taking away someone’s parnassa? When we see something isn’t right, should we just be quiet? If a child is being bullied, do we sit back and tell our child not to play with the other kid and hope nothing happens to our child? If we know that certain play groups are allowing our children to play with… Read more »

    i live there also
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    i live there also

    there is someone massering on all the small businesses on that block. You are at least the third one that i know about

    what if
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    what if

    #31 stop trying to change the subject.. No one says that if you see something wrong you should not do something but the torah way. not a low life way. hope the family that massered is not sleeping at night or most likely they have no conciseness anyway.
    also I understand this playgroup was great and ask any and every parent who will say that.

    sick
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    sick

    I hear that the people on that block know the family that is massering. on others. Hashem Yishmeriem. Someone should confront them for there own good. Everyone has something to hide so everyone is afraid to confront them because they will masser on them.

    Bottom line
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    Bottom line

    Bottom line is that running a play group out of a garage is not safe. Its ver irresponsible of the Morah who runs it and irresponsible of the parents to send their kids there.

    I agree with #31.

    uncovering
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    uncovering

    how many times have we heard of children being molested in schools by their Rebbes and people knew about it but kept quiet, was that good? Excuse me if reporting something like that is Messira but sometimes ceratain things need to be brought out in the open. People need to look outside the box and think, If something G-d forbid happened to them or their child would they want people to keep quiet, or would they do something about it.

    #28
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    #28

    Maybe someone did complain to the Morah and she didnt take their complaint seriously? Maybe she disregarded it. So what to do next

    hmm
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    hmm

    While I never personally considered “mossering”. woul it be SO bad if our children were in properly inspected environments? Sorry, but it may be a good thing in the end if the playgroups are forced to become legal

     a terrible Mageifa
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    a terrible Mageifa

    It’s a terrible thing that to some in our community (albeit a tiny minority) MESIRA became a way of life. They look with a microscope to find fellow Jews to maser on.

    This is beyond shocking and disgusting (not this particular case but that state of Mesira in crown heights)

    This is a terrible Mageifa amongst us.

    bottom line
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    bottom line

    stop trying to justify messirah.. There is no ok no justification for this. Only the low do that . I would question if this Yid is indeed a Yid

    A lesson to be learned...
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    A lesson to be learned...

    Maybe, just maybe, we should all take a lesson from this and countless previous events when people who were not operating their affairs with 100% honesty- let’s stop complaining and start straightening up!

    #a38
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    #a38

    I totally agree with you.

    The mosrim
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    The mosrim

    They should be put in cherem by their neighbors, all the neighbors know who did it. I do too and I don’t live on that block. Word gets out. I won’t have anything to do with them.

    PLEASE TELL ME!!!
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    PLEASE TELL ME!!!

    WHAT HAPPENED?!?!?

    what????????????
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    what????????????

    Yes, the entire few blocks know which jewish neighbor called the health department. By now most people know who it is. The parents x 10 each tells their 10 friends and family x each one etc. etc. I live in the other side of CH but I also heard and know the name of the messorim. There is a way for the family to try to do teshuva even though it says that there is no teshuva for messira. The first step is to come out and apologize to the morah and to the parents. That is not going to… Read more »

    lashon hara
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    lashon hara

    People. How can you say that without knowing for sure. I think people should be careful about what they say about others. I don’t think that there is any real proof as to who called or how it happened. This is turning into to a bad case of Lashon hara. I think this whole subject should be put to rest.
    One door closes and another opens. I’m sure the play group will find a better place to run rather than a garage.

    Din Torah
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    Din Torah

    Why don’t the affected parties call this mosser to a din Torah for damages (which he must pay)?

    The property owner – for loss of rent of garage; the morah – for loss of playgroup tuitions; the parents – for additional damages incured,

    A mosser is responsible to pay for ALL damages caused by his mesirah. Go after him and teach him: Mesirah does not pay!.

    Attenion in the know
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    Attenion in the know

    I know for a fact that there are a few goyish neighbors on the block itself

    Is there another side to this story
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    Is there another side to this story

    As being intelligent Jews one must stop and THINK, is there another side to this story????

    Wow!
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    Wow!

    The pointing fingers in this article is insane..

    Did...
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    Did...

    Did it affect the neighbors in a negative way?

    I agree..
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    I agree..

    I agree with #38!

    Relocated
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    Relocated

    I’m a parent of one of the kids in the playgroup and the playgroup relocated, so what’s the fuss? the kids r fine. The parents fine.

    so and so
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    so and so

    to relocated: does this justify mossoring?

    ACTUALLY TEARING APART A COMMUNITY
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    ACTUALLY TEARING APART A COMMUNITY

    #46 IS RIGHT We all have our own way of handling things and while some of us wont necessarily be a whistle-blower we just have to live with the fact that some people are. While most of us agree that this could have been handled better, the fact is that lashon hara and sinas chinom is very high on that same list and we should avoid being part ACTUALLY tearing apart the community #38 This play group was inspected and the rep said it looks good. The problem with legalizing all the play groups is $. If you feel your… Read more »

    reason
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    reason

    I agree with #53 whats the fuss. Give me a break people, You don’t know the entire situation so stop assuming, I personally dont know the people involved, but those who are saying that a neighbor did, if that is indeed the case then maybe there was a reason. I live in Queens and have neighbors who are renting the house next door to me they yell and stomp all day long. when my children are asleep they are up all night partying, to the point that my husband had to go a few times in the middle of the… Read more »

    hope for the  future
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    hope for the future

    there are several other babysitters in the area doing well. Baruch Hashem Savtas Gan was not affected.

    mother of child in playgroup
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    mother of child in playgroup

    Please stop saying that what the neighbor did is ok. It is not. Stop making the morah as the one who has a bunch of yelling and screaming kids. The place was quiet and clean. and if someone is indeed bothered by it either noise (not the case) cleanliness (not the case) anything else (not the case) only jealousy, then say something to the morah and if it doesn;t help go to a din torah or speak to other neighbors to make an issue but to go to mossuring, uh uh, no no. not a “frum” yid. The neighbor did… Read more »

    #58
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    #58

    Lashon Hara UH UH NO NO

    #59
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    #59

    Loshon Hara?????????? No names were said. People need to know and be aware and be careful around these people. Lifnei Eiver . . . You can not harm people and get away with it. You are right Hashem knows

    Having an Illegal Daycare is Wrong
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    Having an Illegal Daycare is Wrong

    There’s no reason not to get licensed and be legal. Follow the rules and you won’t get in trouble. Have you people learned nothing from Shalom Mordechai’s saga?

    Common Sense
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    Common Sense

    Did everyone miss the fact that this place was a GARAGE?!?! Even I this Morah had her place inspected it wouldn’t have passed. I worked in this field in the past. Cleanliness albeit of utmost importance it still isnt on the top of the list. Safety regulations are. I.e. Fire hazards. Sufficient space to children ratio. Staff must pass certifications to handle emergency situations i.e. CPR, First Aid and etc. The DOH of health doesn’t just walk in and say it looks pretty good. The inspections are pretty rigorous. That supposed “neighbor” was a blessing in disguise because she could… Read more »

    mother of child in playgroup
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    mother of child in playgroup

    We just learned that: megallgelim chova (bad) al yedei Chova or something like that. Hashem causes bad to happen (be done to others through bad people) and good done to others through good people (al yedi zachai. ) Still should never do massorimg. No good in fact WORSE happens to the masserer. So MOSSER remember this when stuff start happening to you

    Different neighbor
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    Different neighbor

    I live in a condo building.
    If my neighbor above or next to me decides to start a day care business in her apt, it effects me and all owners of the building. This is a residential building. It’s not designed to have a bunch of little kids in a play group stomping and yelling throughout.
    I dont know details about these story, but if I was the neighbor and was suddenly confronted with this situation and after asking politely to please stop: if the person didn’t or refused, what other option does the neighbor have?

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