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    Solution for Classroom Chaos

    From the COLlive inbox: As parents we are always told that for our children/teenagers to respect teachers we must always back the school. But to what point? When will teachers take responsibility and start to be accountable for their negativity? Full Story

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    an article that should'nt be taken lightly.
    Guest
    an article that should'nt be taken lightly.

    There is definately some truth in this aricle, there are definately 2 sides to the coin.

    go BCM!!
    Guest
    go BCM!!

    We have cameras in every classroom and hallway in school!!!!

    intrested
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    intrested

    I totally agree with you but unfortunetly today there are many more teachers that need lots of advise and take then not. many of them are ruining the ability of childrens potential in school

    a teacher
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    a teacher

    As a mother and teacher, I cannot agree more. Love this article!

    I'm a teacher
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    I'm a teacher

    I agree with this idea. I have nothing to hide so why should I care? It may be a bit embarrassing sometimes but it will keep us on our toes. I’d prefer it to the principal sitting in when nobody behaves naturally, including me!

    Indeed.
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    Indeed.

    Indeed, there are teachers in both public and private sectors who have minimal awareness of good teaching or childhood development. As a teacher for over 30 years, I have observed so-called teachers verbally, mentally, psychologically, and emotionally abuse their students. These “teachers” have had minimal, if any, training in the art teaching. If they did have training, they got by with a minimal understanding of that art. For me to reach the point I have come to, which is good success in my profession, I have studied psychology, childhood development, group dynamics, effective communication, learning styles, teaching styles, learning disabilities,… Read more »

    expensive
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    expensive

    Good idea in theory, but unless you or someone else has the cash to back this up, it’s not going to happen. Schools are struggling to keep their doors opened. Whilst this is an important issue, it is way down on the list of priorities…. heating bills, mortgages, paying teachers etc.

    The Real Joe
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    The Real Joe

    This might help, (camera’s) but I think a bigger need is when schools higher a teacher, it needs to be made clear that the job isn’t like the supreme court, where you get a life time appointment, teachers need to be consistently graded, and if more then 1 years worth of students, didn’t get along with him then the situation needs to be checked out.

    2 sides of the same coin
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    2 sides of the same coin

    Well said! I’ve been witness to exactly what Concerned Parent is referring to. Having said that, perhaps the schools might also be permitted to do the same in homes from which the children are displaying decidedly negative behavior. Perhaps parents in those homes might like to see a video of how their behavior is negatively impacting their/our children, to the detriment of the schools.Claiming that teachers,by definition, should be more responsible than parents is fallacious thinking. Parents have the same responsibility to acquire, and consistently maintain, proper values and parenting/communication skills (despite all the pressures they may be experiencing) as… Read more »

    abc
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    abc

    thats a horrble idea!!

    i agree
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    i agree

    most teachers are doing a wonderful job- but one abusive teacher in 100 is too many- I had a happy child become miserable one year (many years ago) and would of loved someone to see what was going on in that classroom.

    Voice recorders
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    Voice recorders

    would achieve a similar result and be a lot cheaper

    but...
    Guest
    but...

    but they only check the cameras if we do something wrong
    not if the teachers do something wrong

    Definitely Agree
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    Definitely Agree

    I’ve been a teacher and special educator for many years and I am also a parent. I couldn’t agree more to this!!!

    parent
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    parent

    Totaly agree! I have walked by my child’s pre-school class a few times and cringed when I hear the teacher yelling at some wild kids (and she is not a bad teacher). I am sure if she knew the principal might be watching she would have dealt with it a different way. Also this would solve any issues we would have when suspecting a teacher of molesting a kid.

    How many children fit this description?
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    How many children fit this description?

    A child who used to be a happy, carefree, smart, an A+ student with tons of potential, is now despondent and “hates” school and “hates” his teachers

    agree with #9
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    agree with #9

    would you like to have a camera in your home and have someone on top of you, making sure you are dealing with your child properly?
    I think there needs to be some level of trust in the teachers and if a parent feels that there is something wrong, they should either speak strait to the teacher or go to the principal.
    Although a teacher should be reaching every student – it’s not so easy and sometimes all they need is guidance from the parent on what works with their child and what doesn’t.

    how about
    Guest
    how about

    we pray for moshiach?
    now that would be a real quick fix to all our problems if only we davened and tried harder

    this is a serious matter
    Guest
    this is a serious matter

    there are teachers who are in the wrong position, they dont even like teaching and just do it for parnassa, and they can destroy kids…and many of them do. I heard of a teacher in crown heights who used to pick up one of his students (a little guy of 5 years old) and hang him up on the door hook as a punishment! can you blame that kid for hating school?? My own son developed an anger towards school and teachers when they put him down, made fun of him etc. Yes, we as parents must inculcate a respect… Read more »

    The honhala needs to be more responsive!
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    The honhala needs to be more responsive!

    Thankfully, my children are all out of school, but when they were in school the honhala was totally unresponsive to any of our issues. We had a child who struggled in school and received no help from the teachers or principal. I would have been happy to help her, but could not obtain specific enough information about the content of tests to help her. No modifications were provided or clarifications from the teacher. At one point, we hired a tutor, but the teacher would not work with the tutor to provide enough information about the tesst to be able to… Read more »

    A student
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    A student

    I can’t say I would be comfortable to have a video camera in my classroom- they make me act unnatural- we don’t want that, do we? But the author here has such a valid point, I couldn’t agree more (not the solution). Teachers (and the principals for that matter) make me hate school- and I love to learn! They make you feel like garbage! Why? Because they are a bunch of mothers and fathers looking for parnossah, Their teaching a school, not students. They don’t realize that by constantly telling a students they are misbehaved and worth nothing and acting… Read more »

    better teacher training would be more effective
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    better teacher training would be more effective
    classified information
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    classified information

    I will never forget about 20 years ago in Ohole Torah, a third grade teacher took my son a little eight year old into the hallway and gave him a hard kick in his back as punishment for something he had done in class. Shame on you Oholei Torah for doing nothing about it then, And guess what my son was frightened to tell me. How did I find out by opening the bathroom door while he was showering and noticing a huge black and blue mark on his back. Rebbie you know who you are and I as a… Read more »

    A Mother and Teacher.
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    A Mother and Teacher.

    While you do bring up some valid points, I think there is another related issue at play here. Instead of complaining, how about starting to raise money so that your child’s teacher can have an income and maybe not have to be worried about the money he doesnt have to support his family? Maybe then the teacher will be able to do his job properly. How many other jobs do you have where people are not paid, yet expected to perform perfectly? For some reason, when it comes to giving tzeddaka and paying up, the school are more often than… Read more »

    To readers, please read!! Very Important Facts!
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    To readers, please read!! Very Important Facts!

    #1) It is way too expensive for schools that are big. #2) What about online school? #3) How would the teacher feel; constantly under an eye? I think this would change the way they teach to a negative point. *** #4) How would the CHILDREN feel? Like robots perhaps? *** I had a teacher in grade 5 who was an amazing teacher. She acted out parts of chumash and did amazing projects with us. If thats the way she taught it so be it! Let her teach the way she feels comfortable without the highest administration seeing her! I would… Read more »

    How about this.
    Guest
    How about this.

    How about taking the money that you’d use for cameras, and instead pay the teachers on time? Or if they’re paid on time, maybe use it as a motivation – good teachers should be rewarded.

    Slips?
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    Slips?

    what if something slips? You act a bit “too strict”?? You loose your job?!?! RIDICULOUS!!

    ?????????????????
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    ?????????????????

    puting a camera to wach the teacher is telling the teacher we dont trust yiou/ this is the bigest slap in the face and you cannot expect good performance from teacher and any respect from the children knowin that there teacher is on camera b/z he is not trusted. ther children being on camera wont have such a big of an affect on ther beahavior. yes teachers are not perfect but therfore there are principals and vaad hachinuch wich have to deal with teachers in a very respectful way. teacher dont get the proper respect for theire holy work theu… Read more »

    maybe we should put cameras up in our own home
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    maybe we should put cameras up in our own home

    why?
    bc most of us are unaware of how we behave to our own family. watching ourselves could be quite an education.
    crazy as this sounds, i think it is brilliant.

    Better pay for teachers
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    Better pay for teachers

    I think the solution given, namely cameras in classrooms, is only half the solution. The other part of dealing with the problem, is by increasing the pay of Teachers, to a standard that it pays to teach. It goes without saying, if someone is always thinking about if my pay cheque will arrive this, and how I will be able to pay my bills, one cannot give (no expect) the teacher to give it all he has. For this to change, an attitude has to change. The profession of teaching has to be looked as a professional and respected position.… Read more »

    careful what you ask for...
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    careful what you ask for...

    The video will also show the child’s behaviors, etc… that the parent will no longer be able to downplay or deny… You will also be so thankful you chose a different parnasa, and wonder why those in chinuch are not paid enough (when they are paid..)

    to #23
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    to #23

    that is pure abuse and you should do something!!! I hate to say it but I would not believe it if i dont hear u say it. i hope you wlaking into the shower was by accident. that is pure scary!! Im glad my teachers dont do that!!!

    Call Hershel Moss, Crown Heights
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    Call Hershel Moss, Crown Heights

    Mosad Chok l’Yisroel
    Finding Educational Solutions

    maturity
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    maturity

    * teachers need to behave maturely.. * parents need to have a mature perspective on teachers. * we all need to help students assess their reality maturely. a teacher should ask – could I have handled that conflict more maturely? How could I use the misbehaviour as a chance to guide this kid – instead of making it into a battle against him/her? What would a real Chassidishe role model do in this situation? a parent needs to get real about how kids can behave – sometimes the story sounds like the kid has been “abused” or mistreated, when in… Read more »

    cocoaman
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    cocoaman

    good idea.i work in school in CH that has cameras in every classroom. good teachers and good students have nothng to worry about. the principal might “watch” a teacher if he has a concern. and downloading a clip for a parent destroys any notions the parent might have of their “angelic” child. it is only advantageous

    To #24
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    To #24

    While agree that teachers are vastly underpaid and undervalued, if the only way a teacher behaves responsibly is by earning a high salary there’s something wrong. Responsibility and efficiency shouldn’t depend on a paycheck. Teaching should be a reason to get up in the morning, not a chore. Any teacher who will improve if & when he/she gets paid properly should quit right now.

    I am a teacher.

    $$$
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    $$$

    A teacher is a higher dagree than a baby sitter now let me ask u how much do u pay for a baby sitter to watch ur child and how much do u pay ur teacher to watch ur child? if u make the cheshbon most people end up paying their baby sitter more so how do u expect to get such a “perfect” teacher when u pay so little? why would any professional in their rite state of mind work for so little? so when ur ready to dish out more money for ur teacher than come back with… Read more »

    Accountability
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    Accountability

    That’s the key word you mention. But it doesn’t start and end with the teacher. To who is the teacher accountable? And what about the principal? Dean? At a basic level teacher, prinicpal and dean are to be accountable to that which they say they will teach and how they will teach. Is that made clear day one? And to those who say a camera is exhibition of lack of trust – Do you trust that your child is being taught tools with which to use throughout life? Can you articluate those tools? Would your definition match that of the… Read more »

    AGREED!
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    AGREED!

    I HAD 1 SUCH TEACHER THAT MADE FUN OF THE WHOLE CLASS CALLED THEM NAMES AND SPOKE SARCASTICALLY… ETC BUT WEN THE PRINCIPAL CAME 2 OBSERVE ACTED LIKE A NORMAL TEACHER.. THE ONLY SOLUTION IS CAMERAS!

    #9 - great comment
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    #9 - great comment

    videos is a great idea for many reasons, one being, you’ll be able to see your childrens behavior.

    enough
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    enough

    my daughter teacher always picin on her no reason she the teacher puts herself on the childs level always her approach is punish and punish never postive …..thats wat happens first year teacher….

    Blame the principal
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    Blame the principal

    A Good school is one that has a good principal. Just as a ship,s captain is responsible for his ship, it is the principal who bears the responsible for hiring a bad teacher. A good principal should be a true chassid of the Rebbe who loved every child as his own.

    Go to comment #25- i agree!
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    Go to comment #25- i agree!

    please go to comment #25 . I liked it alot! Wish there was a like button…

    access for parents
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    access for parents

    I think our childrens’ classrooms should be available live to all parents at all times. If the teacher is well prepared, and knows how to teach they won’t mind. I’ve been thinking about this for a while already. We should be able to log in online, and join the classroom.

    to concerned parent
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    to concerned parent

    if you are so concerned then sign your name so we know that you mean it and not just knocking everyone

    yossi

    Money issue NOT
    Guest
    Money issue NOT

    to those that think this is a money issue and are saying that the teachers should be paid first.

    The cost per classroom camera is about the cost of the teacher for a couple of days or less. This would be a capital investment and I’m sure there would be corporate or other backers and this would not impact operational cost that much.

    Also, what worth is it to have kids go to school if they are being abused? The benefits far outweigh the small cost.

    To 25
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    To 25

    What are you afraid of?

    Yes the teacher may feel uncomfortable the first few days but she’ll get used to it. But if there’s a problem in the class it can go on for months and years and the effects can last for ever.

    Cheder Menachem LA
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    Cheder Menachem LA

    Ashrainu, Ma Toiv Chalkaynu !!!

    comprimize
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    comprimize

    let there be one ,but under teachers control .

    stop bashing teachers
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    stop bashing teachers

    although there may be a few teachers who don’t act professionally (and shouldn’t be in the classroom,) there are hundreds of others who work very hard, for little pay, just to be mechanech your kids. How much appreciation do you show them? Perhaps if parents supported the school, and appreciated the efforts of these selfless individuals, despite the difficulties they face, there would be more teachers around.

    wow!
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    wow!

    this will be great! cause then the teachers will be nicer…!!

    to 45
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    to 45

    Why would i do that? i have kids in every grade in the school. Should the teachers come after my kids? My teenagers who learn away would also be embarrassed. This article makes the point very well, without my name being on top.

    wow!!!!!!!!!!
    Guest
    wow!!!!!!!!!!

    are they trying to imprison us?

    intercom
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    intercom

    If the principal can listen in on the intercom and look in the window and walk iin at any point it should be enough. But they need to do it regularly and randomly.

    APPRECIATION!!!
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    APPRECIATION!!!

    Teaching is the hardest profession there is out there, and teachers are moser nefesh for your own children!! they arent there for themselves they are simply on a shlichus to raise YOUR children and they devote their life to it! Please appreciate!

    saying thanks......
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    saying thanks......

    My husband is a teacher – I met a mom of a child in his class and she gave me a mesage to give my husband. “Please tell your husband I appreciate how he helped my son adjust to his new class – I called him and told him, my son wasn’t happy…had no friends…couldn’t keep up etc. – things are BH much better the effort appreciated” interesting she lost his phone number and only thought to give him the message beacuse she bumped into me in the grocery

    the solution is not teachers
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    the solution is not teachers

    Teachers are human too. They need to arrange a chinuch forum to discuss ways of teaching or disciplining on a weekly basis. Or better, a hotline where they can call and ask for advice. What everyone else is saying will lead us to not having any teachers – who nowadays would want to go into this profession with such negativity against teachers as well. Thank G-D my kids are out of school. However, one of my children had one such teacher that was horrible to the boys, many years back. As a result, my son would act up. However, whenever… Read more »

    To # 54
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    To # 54

    principals have to work with teachers – there are unfortunatly many difficult children in the classrooms today – in classrooms with 25 – 30 children. Principals have to leave their cozy offices and be there for the teachers. The teachers work very hard, with NO support from the PRINCIPALS

    Rest assured...teachers
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    Rest assured...teachers

    All those pro video camera parents will change their tone of voice very quickly once they are notified that their tuition will be hiked by 20% to pay for the cameras, the installations and maintenance fees. If the cameras will be installed, they wont be working most of the times and by the time the school gets their act together to call the company , the company will have closed down or gone bankrupt. If the cameras do actually work, the principle will request a double salary for spending endless hours reviewing all those videos of teachers ( while dozing… Read more »

    Equal Time on Camera
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    Equal Time on Camera

    This is a great idea if it will also film the behavior of the students.
    Parents might discover that their “angels” are not so “angelic” after all.

    NO NORMAL MAN AGREES TO TEACH ANYMORE!
    Guest
    NO NORMAL MAN AGREES TO TEACH ANYMORE!

    TEACHERS SURE MUST BE PROFESSIONAL!

    BUT STOP BLAMING THEM ON ALL PROBLEMS!

    RESPECT THEM AT LEAST AS HUMAN BEINGS!

    to parents
    Guest
    to parents

    and what about the negativity and abuse that some children are displaying towards others? it is horrifying to see the violence some children display-. before blaming teachers, please notice what kind of baggage your child is taking from your home, and hurting others with…

    training is key!!
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    training is key!!

    Just knowing he/she is being watched doesn’t give the teacher credentials suddenly. Teacher training gives credentials!! A camera doesn’t help a teacher understand why a child is having difficulty, or explain a concept in multiple ways, or give strategies for effective classroom management.
    For safety purposes, and to document any incidence of verbal abuse cameras are a wonderful idea. But, just knowing one is being watched is not sufficient to make one know how to teach!!!

    go BCM
    Guest
    go BCM

    we r the best school!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    i love it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    and we do have good teachers!!!!!

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